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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: JWags85 on April 15, 2021, 08:41:34 AM
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6’8 transfer from Clemson. The beat goes on
https://twitter.com/eshakah/status/1382685571508809735?s=21
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Jesus, this has been quite the 48 hours. IMO clearly someone will be leaving who hasn't left yet.
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So gotta think most if not all wojo guys outside the big 3 will be leaving, right?
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Wow, just Wow!!
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I don't know anything, but I would be extremely surprised to see Jose Perez on the team next year. I just don't think he fits what Shaka wants to do.
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IMO clearly someone will be leaving who hasn't left yet.
Has to be at least 2 right?Jesus, this has been quite the 48 hours.
*bartender voice*
"OK Shaka, you've had more than your fill. Time to shut it down"
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So gotta think most if not all wojo guys outside the big 3 will be leaving, right?
Well someone has to go and from everything I've seen we are still after Bates.
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wild
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Here's his Clemson bio (with stats) (https://clemsontigers.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/season/2020/olivier-maxence-prosper/).
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Maybe Dawson ain’t coming back
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This is just bananas!
Top 106 recruit in 2020...
https://247sports.com/Player/Olivier-Maxence-Prosper-46084339/
Hybrid forward with good size and length. Tremendous physical tools; plus athlete both laterally and vertically. Consistent competitor on both sides of the court. Versatile defender that can easily guard two through four. More of a shot maker than a shooter but has range to the perimeter. Handle could improve but has body control/athleticism that make him tough to contain as slasher. Could become more willing passer/better shot selection while cleaning up stroke. Projects as high major starter with easy NBA upside.
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Maybe Dawson ain’t coming back
They don't know the answer to that yet, but OMP isn't coming based on the idea of Garcia leaving.
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Can he handle the rock at 6'8? He's listed as a guard?
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nm
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insane
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I don't know anything, but I would be extremely surprised to see Jose Perez on the team next year. I just don't think he fits what Shaka wants to do.
Agreed. My gut feeling is he, Akanno, and probably Elliott are not coming back.
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They don't know the answer to that yet, but OMP isn't coming based on the idea of Garcia leaving.
That leaves Greg, Perez, Akanno, or Oso as being out.
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Good luck with the scholarship table, Glow.
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The Good Times Keep Rolling!!
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How will we ever survive a coaching change?
That may be my new favorite Scoop meme...
Welcome to MU Oliver!
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LFG
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Haha I thought this one was a joke!
Welcome to MU Olivier-Maxence Prosper. Solid name kid
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This is just bananas!
Top 106 recruit in 2020...
https://247sports.com/Player/Olivier-Maxence-Prosper-46084339/
Hybrid forward with good size and length. Tremendous physical tools; plus athlete both laterally and vertically. Consistent competitor on both sides of the court. Versatile defender that can easily guard two through four. More of a shot maker than a shooter but has range to the perimeter. Handle could improve but has body control/athleticism that make him tough to contain as slasher. Could become more willing passer/better shot selection while cleaning up stroke. Projects as high major starter with easy NBA upside.
I like this paragraph. 6'8 athletes often work out very well. Who was that guy on Tex Tech that transferred from St. J a few years ago?
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Awesome News Welcome!!
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5 adds in less than two days is insane!
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O-MP? OMG! The Shaka and awe continue.
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I don't know anything, but I would be extremely surprised to see Jose Perez on the team next year. I just don't think he fits what Shaka wants to do.
Agree. Shaka seems to have gotten the players to agree to keeping quiet about what is going on , so my guess is that he already had a friendly little chat with Perez and probably Akanno and the team already knows. I'd like to see Greg stay but with the rapid fire signings, its anybody's guess as to what's next.
It also seems as if Bates would already be on board if he was coming. I cannot see what he gains by waiting.
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Good luck with the scholarship table, Glow.
Glow's gonna need to invest in some quantum computing technology to keep up with Shaka.
Welcome to Marquette, Olivier!
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So it looks like Shaka prioritizes forwards that are 6’8 to 6’10 and super athletic. I’m here for that.
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Glow's gonna need to invest in some quantum computing technology to keep up with Shaka.
Welcome to Marquette, Olivier!
How are Glow’s PowerPoint skills?
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And to think I was just wondering what there was to talk about now that the scholarships were all filled.
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Can we gauge the overall speed and quickness of the 7 newbies? They all have size.
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O-Max is a fantastic nickname.
Shaka definitely has a type, a system, and a plan. That's a lot of guys with rankings between 75 and 120.
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With all the new signings I hope Greg doesn't get told to seek opportunities elsewhere. He's a senior close to getting a college degree. They are all "student athletes" after all.
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Kam Jones is still up in the air, isn't he? I'd be surprised if both he and Stevie Mitchell arrive this summer.
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Agree. Shaka seems to have gotten the players to agree to keeping quiet about what is going on , so my guess is that he already had a friendly little chat with Perez and probably Akanno and the team already knows. I'd like to see Greg stay but with the rapid fire signings, its anybody's guess as to what's next.
It also seems as if Bates would already be on board if he was coming. I cannot see what he gains by waiting.
Its going to be interesting to see what Shaka's plan is. The classes are getting super imbalanced. This would make 2, 1, 6, and 5. If the departure is Greg or Perez that would be 1, 1, 6, 5. Maybe he is planning for a lot of turnover given the no sit out rule that was approved moving forward?
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If Garcia comes back, right now we are one over on scholarships right? Hmmm there are no quiet days anymore!
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Kam Jones is still up in the air, isn't he? I'd be surprised if both he and Stevie Mitchell arrive this summer.
I thought both of them are coming?
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With all the new signings I hope Greg doesn't get told to seek opportunities elsewhere. He's a senior close to getting a college degree. They are all "student athletes" after all.
I hope so too. Shaka does not impress me as a guy who would cut a guy so close to graduation but if he really needs the roster space, my guess is that some sort of arrangement could be made for a conventional scholarship by Marquette. Greg has proven value. Perez and Akanno- not so much.
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Finally got another French Canadien! Perez and Akanno, under the circumstances, will need to find another school for next year. Hopefully they keep Greg based on his maturity and leadership.
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I thought both of them are coming?
Kam is definitely still coming as far as I know (no inside info). He reaffirmed his commitment and has been re-tweeting the news about all the new additions.
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With all the new signings I hope Greg doesn't get told to seek opportunities elsewhere. He's a senior close to getting a college degree. They are all "student athletes" after all.
I believe Elliottt redshirted a year, so he probably received or is close to degree.
Prosper averaged 2 points and 2 rebounds a game at Clemson last year as a freshman, so maybe Smart sees potential or something.
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I thought both of them are coming?
Considering they both congratulated every recruit that committed to MU yesterday on IG I would say yes they are both coming
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I believe Elliottt redshirted a year, so he probably received or is close to degree.
Prosper averaged 2 points and 2 rebounds a game at Clemson last year as a freshman, so maybe Smart sees potential or something.
Prosper was a top 100 recruit in HS a year ago. Not every freshman sets the world on fire
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I believe Elliottt redshirted a year, so he probably received or is close to degree.
Prosper averaged 2 points and 2 rebounds a game at Clemson last year as a freshman, so maybe Smart sees potential or something.
top 100 guy last year and was part of the NBA Academy camp in Mexico. He's from montreal
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I hope so too. Shaka does not impress me as a guy who would cut a guy so close to graduation but if he really needs the roster space, my guess is that some sort of arrangement could be made for a conventional scholarship by Marquette. Greg has proven value. Perez and Akanno- not so much.
I'd be very curious to learn how that would work under NCAA regulations. I'm pretty confident that it wouldn't. Hell, if such an arrangement is possible, we should do several each year.
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I'd be very curious to learn how that would work under NCAA regulations. I'm pretty confident that it wouldn't. Hell, if such an arrangement is possible, we should do several each year.
I believe what is trying to be said is he wouldn't be part of the basketball team anymore, like what happened with Ike.
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Prosper averaged 2 points and 2 rebounds a game at Clemson last year as a freshman, so maybe Smart sees potential or something.
Clemson had three 6’8-6’10 upper classmen last season. Junior and two Seniors. Looks like a really nice pickup.
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Clemson had three 6’8-6’10 upper classmen last season. Junior and two Seniors. Looks like a really nice pickup.
Yep. O-Max's stats as a Clemson freshman were meh, but I trust Shaka's ability to judge potential and to recruit to his system.
Athletic 6-8 wings who were sought by numerous P6 teams, including Baylor, have a lot of appeal.
Interesting travels in recent years: From Canada, played HS ball in both Mexico and Illinois.
Live long and Prosper, O-Max!
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Its going to be interesting to see what Shaka's plan is. The classes are getting super imbalanced. This would make 2, 1, 6, and 5. If the departure is Greg or Perez that would be 1, 1, 6, 5. Maybe he is planning for a lot of turnover given the no sit out rule that was approved moving forward?
Consider too that each returning player or transfer gets a free COVID year when we are looking at balance. For example, DJ is a sophomore this year and next, eligibility-wise. Heck, Greg can play two more years if I got everything right.
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I like this paragraph. 6'8 athletes often work out very well. Who was that guy on Tex Tech that transferred from St. J a few years ago?
Tariq Owens, but he was 6'10".
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Kam Jones is still up in the air, isn't he? I'd be surprised if both he and Stevie Mitchell arrive this summer.
Both reaffirmed their commitments after Shaka was hired. Can't imagine they would have done so had Shaka not told them they were welcome and wanted.
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This transfer just Maxence.
And, he's Canadian, so Willie can get excited about an international pickup.
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Tariq Owens, but he was 6'10".
Yes. I didn't realize Owens was that tall. Anyway that's the kind of player I was envisioning.
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I think he will Prosper here.
Anybody know what other schools were showing interest in him when he entered the transfer portal?
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If Garcia comes back, right now we are one over on scholarships right? Hmmm there are no quiet days anymore!
The NCAA should give MU an exception; we haven't had a full 13 ( not counting walk-ons) scholie team under Wojo that I can remember.
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Both reaffirmed their commitments after Shaka was hired. Can't imagine they would have done so had Shaka not told them they were welcome and wanted.
I wasn't sure if Jones ever formally reaffirmed or not- I know he's been tweeting positive things, etc., but I wasn't sure if that was more of a case of him still wanting to play for MU vs. Shaka actually welcoming him aboard. There's also a quote from Mitchell from a week or so back where he seems to imply the same thing: https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2021/4/5/22369012/marquette-golden-eagles-basketball-recruiting-stevie-mitchell-shaka-smart
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Welcome to MU Olivier.
Looking forward to prosperity with You on the team.
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Yep. O-Max's stats as a Clemson freshman were meh, but I trust Shaka's ability to judge potential and to recruit to his system.
Athletic 6-8 wings who were sought by numerous P6 teams, including Baylor, have a lot of appeal.
Interesting travels in recent years: From Canada, played HS ball in both Mexico and Illinois.
Live long and Prosper, O-Max!
Scratch the street pigeon; The Marquette Vulcans.
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I wasn't sure if Jones ever formally reaffirmed or not- I know he's been tweeting positive things, etc., but I wasn't sure if that was more of a case of him still wanting to play for MU vs. Shaka actually welcoming him aboard. There's also a quote from Mitchell from a week or so back where he seems to imply the same thing: https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2021/4/5/22369012/marquette-golden-eagles-basketball-recruiting-stevie-mitchell-shaka-smart
I was going to say the same. We've got direct quites from Stevie about Shaka reaching out and recruiting him. All we have from Kam are a couple retweets, no confirmed contact from Shaka.
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I'm gonna trust Shaka's judgment on O-Max. Do people think Joplin is an immediate impact guy?
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Its going to be interesting to see what Shaka's plan is. The classes are getting super imbalanced. This would make 2, 1, 6, and 5. If the departure is Greg or Perez that would be 1, 1, 6, 5. Maybe he is planning for a lot of turnover given the no sit out rule that was approved moving forward?
Maybe DJ goes pro after next season.
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I was going to say the same. We've got direct quites from Stevie about Shaka reaching out and recruiting him. All we have from Kam are a couple retweets, no confirmed contact from Shaka.
That's what makes me think Kam is the odd man out from the incoming freshman.
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I hope so too. Shaka does not impress me as a guy who would cut a guy so close to graduation but if he really needs the roster space, my guess is that some sort of arrangement could be made for a conventional scholarship by Marquette. Greg has proven value. Perez and Akanno- not so much.
Shaka could adopt him.
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O-Max is a fantastic nickname.
Shaka definitely has a type, a system, and a plan. That's a lot of guys with rankings between 75 and 120.
Yes! early returns are fantastic IMO, stocking a roster full of 75-150 range "system fit" guys is the exact sweet spot for this program. Start layering in the 25-75 type "system fit" guys with more frequency once your brand is built so that they know exactly what they're buying into, but try not to compromise on the brand for the sake of ranking, especially early on in the tenure.
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I think he will Prosper here.
Anybody know what other schools were showing interest in him when he entered the transfer portal?
It was between us and Creighton
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I'm gonna trust Shaka's judgment on O-Max. Do people think Joplin is an immediate impact guy?
No
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Shaka keeps on collecting underclassmen. Wouldn't be surprised if this means that an upperclassmen is on his way out the door. Gonna be really young but I kinda dig it.
I read up on OMP a few days ago and if you believe Clemson fans, they were very bummed that he transferred. Seemed that Clemson had 3 very good 6'8"-6'10" guys ahead of OMP on the depth chart and with two of them graduating, they expected OMP to have a yuge role next season. Could surprise us with big minutes next season.
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TAMU
Does the newest additions change your opinion for next years level of success or do you still think Shaka is planning 2-3 years down te road?
For the record, I believe he is putting together a roster to win now. He came to MU with a fair amount to prove and has not won an NCAA game for quite some time. He does need all the new guys to be studs, but it appears that plenty of options for guys to shine. I firmly believe they will be a top tier BE team and will be playing in March.
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Agreed. My gut feeling is he, Akanno, and probably Elliott are not coming back.
It’s hard to imagine Greg and Shaka not connecting well. With GE’s attitude, energy and ability to hit some corner 3’s off the bench, hope he comes back.
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TAMU
Does the newest additions change your opinion for next years level of success or do you still think Shaka is planning 2-3 years down te road?
For the record, I believe he is putting together a roster to win now. He came to MU with a fair amount to prove and has not won an NCAA game for quite some time. He does need all the new guys to be studs, but it appears that plenty of options for guys to shine. I firmly believe they will be a top tier BE team and will be playing in March.
No the new additions reinforce it. These are young kids with potential. A great core that fits Shaka's culture and will be very good in a year or two. If he was trying to win big this season, there are upperclassmen in the transfer portal who fit his system who would be bigger instant contributors.
There's still time though. Add Morsell and bring back Dawson and I'll start cleaning off my dancing shoes.
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TAMU
He has not put together a squad to win big yet, but playing in March will be a given by February, IMO. The Shaka factor, plus a chip on his shoulder will play well with a very young team.
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TAMU
Does the newest additions change your opinion for next years level of success or do you still think Shaka is planning 2-3 years down te road?
For the record, I believe he is putting together a roster to win now. He came to MU with a fair amount to prove and has not won an NCAA game for quite some time. He does need all the new guys to be studs, but it appears that plenty of options for guys to shine. I firmly believe they will be a top tier BE team and will be playing in March.
You think Garcia is coming back? Is he back in school?
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warrior69
I have no idea if Garcia come back or not. If Shaka wants him back, I hope he does come back.
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You think Garcia is coming back? Is he back in school?
He never left school. Remember that everything is on zoom this semester.
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TAMU
Does the newest additions change your opinion for next years level of success or do you still think Shaka is planning 2-3 years down te road?
For the record, I believe he is putting together a roster to win now. He came to MU with a fair amount to prove and has not won an NCAA game for quite some time. He does need all the new guys to be studs, but it appears that plenty of options for guys to shine. I firmly believe they will be a top tier BE team and will be playing in March.
Assuming Dawson is back, Shaka will have a really good core to work with (albeit a young one). DJ, Dawson, and Justin are a good foundation to build around for a "win now" situation.
Kolek and Greg could provide immediate offensive spark from downtown, which fits the system Shaka seems to like to run (assuming Nevada's offense is run here). Both have success there and quick releases.
Combined with Stevie, with DJ and Kolek it's nice to see that we have a lot of ball handlers at any given time, letting one run off ball at any given time.
Not really a "true center" situation anymore though. A little nervous about how we operate if we run out our taller guys. Oso and Keeyan are going to have to adjust quickly, but are both pogo sticks that will have to get blocks, o-rebounds for second chance points and shine on man defense to be contributors. I don't expect a ton of offense out of here at the start, but could develop as they gain confidence and experience. Oso definitely showed a nice midrange game in HS.
There's a lot of youth here. It's on Shaka to coach them up. As stated by a lot here--I'll be happy to see marked improvement as the season goes on. But still hoping for a tourney berth in year one.
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Seems like a player with tons of potential! Shaka is impressing me.
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What a change in philosophy. It seemed like Wojo treated scholarships like gold and hated giving them out, wanting to always keep 2-3 in his pocket just in case. Shaka is giving them away like candy and everything will work its way out.
There is no reason why anyone would want to keep quiet about transferring out. If you are wanting to transfer out, you are entering the portal as soon as possible not being quiet about it as the longer they wait, the fewer the playing options they have. I think you will have a realization that this is musical chairs and last one standing is out in which case, who blinks first about competition for minutes.
The one thing I do wonder about is why Perez didn't go to the Big East Tourny and is there something going on there. Perez wanting to stay as he already transferred in and got to play right away. Possibly doesn't get to play right away next year if he transfers (don't know the rules on that, just speculating). Or Kam is being DJ'd out ala Buzz. Someone is not going to be around. Where are those chairs...
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How will we ever survive a coaching change?
That may be my new favorite Scoop meme...
Welcome to MU Oliver!
Exactly. It does appear that Shaka is cleaning house. Does make one wonder as to whether Garcia will be back.
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The beat goes on! Looks like a solid depth piece with upside. Maybe a hedge if Garcia goes pro.
Guess we'll be having at least one departure. With all of these freshman/sophomores, I really think a couple redshirts are needed to stagger class sizes.
Not all of these prospects will work out, but the large numbers give me hope that at least some will develop into starters.
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This transfer just Maxence.
And, he's Canadian, so Willie can get excited about an international pickup.
Right. Never walk away from an international pick up. Whether it is Hong Kong, Manila, Bangkok, Paris, or Kuala Lumpur
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Right. Never walk away from an international pick up. Whether it is Hong Kong, Manila, Bangkok, Paris, or Kuala Lumpur
I prefer my basketball players and Americans to be American
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You'd think with all the turbulence going on Garcia would be on campus and in the gym to protect his roster spot. If he doesn't watch it Shaka will replace him in hours.
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You'd think with all the turbulence going on Garcia would be on campus and in the gym to protect his roster spot. If he doesn't watch it Shaka will replace him in hours.
Quite sure he’d have zero problem finding a landing spot
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lazar
It is like the VC guys investing in startups, you only need one home run, couple doubles and hope no busts. If you find you have a bust, cut bait and move on.
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I don't know anything, but I would be extremely surprised to see Jose Perez on the team next year. I just don't think he fits what Shaka wants to do.
Perez is terrible. Of course he's going to be gone. This is how you build a roster.
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I believe Elliottt redshirted a year, so he probably received or is close to degree.
Prosper averaged 2 points and 2 rebounds a game at Clemson last year as a freshman, so maybe Smart sees potential or something.
Hard not to see potential when looking at these clips from his freshman year. Makes perfect sense why Clemson fans would be really bummed with him leaving.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NntgHME6trs
He can handle, drive, has a smooth looking shot, and insane length and athleticism.
I think he can be an absolute stud here, great pickup from Shaka.
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You'd think with all the turbulence going on Garcia would be on campus and in the gym to protect his roster spot. If he doesn't watch it Shaka will replace him in hours.
Marquette has added absolutely no one who threatens Dawson's roster spot.
OMP sure seems to have some upside, but Dawson likely isn't quaking in his boots over a guy who averaged 2.5 ppg last year.
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First hyphenated FIRST name for Marquette?
Scholarship table updated:
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?page=page4655
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Hard not to see potential when looking at these clips from his freshman year. Makes perfect sense why Clemson fans would be really bummed with him leaving.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NntgHME6trs
He can handle, drive, has a smooth looking shot, and insane length and athleticism.
I think he can be an absolute stud here, great pickup from Shaka.
Yes, with him and Carton on the floor, you now have two players that can dribble drive to the hoop and open things up on the perimeter. Wojo never had that in his 7 years. Shaka is building a system which will make Carton, Lewis, Garcia, etc better. There's going to be open looks all over the court. MU will be tough to defend at all levels of the court. This is how you build an offense.
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First hyphenated FIRST name for Marquette?
Scholarship table updated:
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?page=page4655
I don't know about athletic talent, but this roster is shaping up to be a Final Four on coolest names. ;D
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Hard not to see potential when looking at these clips from his freshman year. Makes perfect sense why Clemson fans would be really bummed with him leaving.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NntgHME6trs
He can handle, drive, has a smooth looking shot, and insane length and athleticism.
I think he can be an absolute stud here, great pickup from Shaka.
O MAX.....O My. He looks to have the ability to be really really good. Looks like he fits into Shaka's system. I like the commit.
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That leaves Greg, Perez, Akanno, or Oso as being out.
im thinking Perez and Dex. Probably better fit for both to land at a mid-major program with the increased chance for PT.
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im thinking Perez and Dex. Probably better fit for both to land at a mid-major program with the increased chance for PT.
Dex 2 Loyola Marymount?
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That leaves Greg, Perez, Akanno, or Oso as being out.
Oso will be here, I imagine. He was a Shaka recruit when he was at UT. Fits what we are looking for in this system.
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Hard not to see potential when looking at these clips from his freshman year. Makes perfect sense why Clemson fans would be really bummed with him leaving.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NntgHME6trs
He can handle, drive, has a smooth looking shot, and insane length and athleticism.
I think he can be an absolute stud here, great pickup from Shaka.
Yes I would recommend people check out what Clemson fans are saying about him leaving. They are not happy to say the least. Think this is the "dark horse" best pickup of the past 48 hours. He has the potential to be great
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Exactly. It does appear that Shaka is cleaning house. Does make one wonder as to whether Garcia will be back.
I have no inside info but I can guarantee Shaka is not "cleaning house" to the extent that it would apply to our likely best player who will only be a soph.
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I don't know about athletic talent, but this roster is shaping up to be a Final Four on coolest names. ;D
I think we need to judge like Diving. Degree of Difficulty x Score. In our case Cool Names x Good Hair definitely Final Four
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First hyphenated FIRST name for Marquette?
Scholarship table updated:
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?page=page4655
Jimmy-Fxckin-Butler?
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You'd think with all the turbulence going on Garcia would be on campus and in the gym to protect his roster spot. If he doesn't watch it Shaka will replace him in hours.
It is strange that he is the one guy not at practices. Wonder how that will affect team dynamics if he does return.
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It is strange that he is the one guy not at practices. Wonder how that will affect team dynamics if he does return.
It won't affect it all. He's going through the NBA Draft process, taking time away from practice is an expected part of the process. All our past players who went through the draft process did the same thing.
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It won't affect it all. He's going through the NBA Draft process, taking time away from practice is an expected part of the process. All our past players who went through the draft process did the same thing.
I'm a skeptic that being off campus this time is "the same thing". But we'll know soon enough.
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I'm a skeptic that being off campus this time is "the same thing". But we'll know soon enough.
Players don't prep for the draft on campus.
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Players don't prep for the draft on campus.
And that's not what I said.
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O- Max has a very broad set of basketball skills, very good IQ and comes in an incredible basketball package , long and strong. When he comes to MU he will get more playing time and have the potential to blossom into a very productive player.
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I'm guessing Garcia isn't even .0001% concerned about his spot on the team.
Highly doubtful that Shaka would cut a burger boy who averaged 13-7 as a P6 freshman. DG probably already has a long line of suitors who have touched base with his "people."
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warrior69
I have no idea if Garcia come back or not. If Shaka wants him back, I hope he does come back.
It seems that Shaka wants players that are athletic, quick and tough. I'm not even sure he was our best player (Carton?) on last years team. If Garcia wants to comeback I'm sure Shaka will have a place for him, but IMO Garcia is not athletic, quick and was rather soft under the basket. I wonder how Shaka would play him. The fact that he is not practicing with the team has me wondering is he a team player.
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Any kid that goes by O-max is already a personal favorite of mine.
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I'm guessing Garcia isn't even .0001% concerned about his spot on the team.
Highly doubtful that Shaka would cut a burger boy who averaged 13-7 as a P6 freshman. DG probably already has a long line of suitors who have touched base with his "people."
Since Shaka tried recruiting him to Texas, it’s laughable people think he wouldn’t fit in “Shaka’s system”.
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It seems that Shaka wants players that are athletic, quick and tough. I'm not even sure he was our best player (Carton?) on last years team. If Garcia wants to comeback I'm sure Shaka will have a place for him, but IMO Garcia is not athletic, quick and was rather soft under the basket. I wonder how Shaka would play him. The fact that he is not practicing with the team has me wondering is he a team player.
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I'm guessing Garcia isn't even .0001% concerned about his spot on the team.
Highly doubtful that Shaka would cut a burger boy who averaged 13-7 as a P6 freshman. DG probably already has a long line of suitors who have touched base with his "people."
Really, even if the burger boy doesn't show up for practices?
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Since Shaka tried recruiting him to Texas, it’s laughable people think he wouldn’t fit in “Shaka’s system”.
A lot of people seem to think "Shaka's system" is what his teams looked like at VCU.
In the meantime, this guy started 70 games for Shaka between 2017 and 2019.
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Really, even if the burger boy doesn't show up for practices?
Yes. Even if he is getting evaluated by NBA scouts and getting constructive feedback about his weaknesses. I imagine that Shaka even talks to him during this time.
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Welcome, Olivier-Maxence!
Your transfer is such stuff as dreams are made on.
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Yes. Even if he is getting evaluated by NBA scouts and getting constructive feedback about his weaknesses. I imagine that Shaka even talks to him during this time.
He can't do both? Shaka is not good enough to talk to in person?
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It seems that Shaka wants players that are athletic, quick and tough. I'm not even sure he was our best player (Carton?) on last years team. If Garcia wants to comeback I'm sure Shaka will have a place for him, but IMO Garcia is not athletic, quick and was rather soft under the basket. I wonder how Shaka would play him. The fact that he is not practicing with the team has me wondering is he a team player.
Lol come on
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He can't do both? Shaka is not good enough to talk to in person?
I would imagine that the part about wanting to be healthy for the draft combine would be his number one priority. That usually means not engaging in the team practice stuff.
This is a strange hill to die on.
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Really, even if the burger boy doesn't show up for practices?
You really have no idea of how it works with NBA......
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He can't do both? Shaka is not good enough to talk to in person?
You really are embarrassing yourself with your comments. If you don't understand how something works regarding what Garcia is doing, maybe just don't comment. You have absolutely no idea what is going on with Shaka and Garcia or what conversations they have had. To say you think he isn't a team player, with no basis for that comment is pretty comical.
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I would imagine that the part about wanting to be healthy for the draft combine would be his number one priority. That usually means not engaging in the team practice stuff.
This is a strange hill to die on.
He can't be healthy on campus? Whose dying. Shaka will have a great team with or without the burger boy.
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He can't be healthy on campus? Whose dying. Shaka will have a great team with or without the burger boy.
You're a special kind of dense.
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He can't be healthy on campus? Whose dying. Shaka will have a great team with or without the burger boy.
Just bizarre.
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He can't be healthy on campus? Whose dying. Shaka will have a great team with or without the burger boy.
69, all across the country, players are declaring for the draft. All of them are not currently practicing with their teams and I would assume most are not on campus. They are all still students and taking classes. Schools can make adjustments to allow some flexibility for this to happen. Dawson is doing exactly what he should be doing right now.
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Assuming Dawson is back, Shaka will have a really good core to work with (albeit a young one). DJ, Dawson, and Justin are a good foundation to build around for a "win now" situation.
Kolek and Greg could provide immediate offensive spark from downtown, which fits the system Shaka seems to like to run (assuming Nevada's offense is run here). Both have success there and quick releases.
Combined with Stevie, with DJ and Kolek it's nice to see that we have a lot of ball handlers at any given time, letting one run off ball at any given time.
Not really a "true center" situation anymore though. A little nervous about how we operate if we run out our taller guys. Oso and Keeyan are going to have to adjust quickly, but are both pogo sticks that will have to get blocks, o-rebounds for second chance points and shine on man defense to be contributors. I don't expect a ton of offense out of here at the start, but could develop as they gain confidence and experience. Oso definitely showed a nice midrange game in HS.
There's a lot of youth here. It's on Shaka to coach them up. As stated by a lot here--I'll be happy to see marked improvement as the season goes on. But still hoping for a tourney berth in year one.
If they're "pogo sticks" then why do they need to be the height of a "true center" to block shots and get rebounds?
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A lot of people seem to think "Shaka's system" is what his teams looked like at VCU.
In the meantime, this guy started 70 games for Shaka between 2017 and 2019.
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We’re ignoring the last 4 years of Shaka’s coaching arc. I don’t think any of us know what “Shaka’s system” at Marquette will look like.
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You're a special kind of dense.
I'm dense? If he and Shaka have some kind of understanding then why can't he just come out and say if things workout I'll go pro. If not I'll return to MU. Is there some rule he can't say that please enlighten me; or is it more likely he is weighing his options to go somewhere else?
Perhaps being one schollie over is Shaka's way of telling us something.
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I'm dense? If he and Shaka have some kind of understanding then why can't he just come out and say if things workout I'll go pro. If not I'll return to MU. Is there some rule he can't say that please enlighten me; or is it more likely he is weighing his options to go somewhere else?
Perhaps being one schollie over is Shaka's way of telling us something.
He did say that. In his entering the draft statement.
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He did say that. In his entering the draft statement.
Then why all the conjecture about him returning? Everyone thinks he is NBA ready? Why over recruit?
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Then why all the conjecture about him returning?
Because he said exactly what you said. If I get positive feedback, I will go pro. If I don't, I will return to school.
Right now, all the information we have access to says the feedback will not be positive.
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Then why all the conjecture about him returning? Everyone thinks he is NBA ready? Why over recruit?
Really?
I truly hope you're just trolling with a "but I don't understand" schtick. If so, bravo.
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Perhaps being one schollie over is Shaka's way of telling us something.
It is. That one or more of Greg, Jose, and/or Dexter will be leaving.
Why over recruit?
See above.
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The fact that he is not practicing with the team has me wondering is he a team player.
JFC. ::)
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What a change in philosophy. It seemed like Wojo treated scholarships like gold and hated giving them out, wanting to always keep 2-3 in his pocket just in case. Shaka is giving them away like candy and everything will work its way out.
Agreed, stark difference in approach. Wojo spent his time going after top 30 recruits-- I think it was a reflection of the Duke approach of getting the top level of players and letting them do their thing. In contrast, Shaka definitely has a type that he looks for that he believes will fit his system, and ranking isn't the be all and end all.
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It is. That one or more of Greg, Jose, and/or Dexter will be leaving.
See above.
Then why are they waiting to enter the transfer portal? They can't see the writing on the wall? Was practice an audition to see who does not get cut? Or was Shaka toying with all of them? So Oso knows he is not being cut, but Shaka is just holding on to these guys until a Bates or some other player bites? I would already have a position lined up if I knew the boss was looking for a better fit.
At least Symir knew to get out.
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Then why are they waiting to enter the transfer portal? They can't see the writing on the wall? Was practice an audition to see who does not get cut? Or was Shaka toying with all of them? So Oso knows he is not being cut, but Shaka is just holding on to these guys until a Bates or some other player bites? I would already have a position lined up if I knew the boss was looking for a better fit.
At least Symir knew to get out.
Maybe you should just realize that you have no idea what the dynamics are behind the scenes and wait to see what happens instead of making dumb observations and asking dumb questions.
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To get this back on topic and away from the existential questions of the day.
Saw in the interview with Shaka. Said O-Max graduated high school a year early. Junior year of HS to the ACC. So...hope everyone is ready to hear about how young he is. But Todd is gonna get a good chance to build him up.
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Then why are they waiting to enter the transfer portal? They can't see the writing on the wall? Was practice an audition to see who does not get cut? Or was Shaka toying with all of them? So Oso knows he is not being cut, but Shaka is just holding on to these guys until a Bates or some other player bites? I would already have a position lined up if I knew the boss was looking for a better fit.
At least Symir knew to get out.
You sound like the 5 year old who replies to every answer with "why?".
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Maybe you should just realize that you have no idea what the dynamics are behind the scenes and wait to see what happens instead of making dumb observations and asking dumb questions.
I think I perfectly know the dynamics. Fluffy, you can stay until I find someone better to debate on Scoop. Bye Fluff, I just found Hards-Alum.
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Then why are they waiting to enter the transfer portal? They can't see the writing on the wall? Was practice an audition to see who does not get cut? Or was Shaka toying with all of them? So Oso knows he is not being cut, but Shaka is just holding on to these guys until a Bates or some other player bites? I would already have a position lined up if I knew the boss was looking for a better fit.
At least Symir knew to get out.
Bruh. Chill.
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I think I perfectly know the dynamics. Fluffy, you can stay until I find someone better to debate on Scoop. Bye Fluff, I just found Hards-Alum.
Swing and a miss
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I think I perfectly know the dynamics. Fluffy, you can stay until I find someone better to debate on Scoop. Bye Fluff, I just found Hards-Alum.
I don't think you understand teal either, bud.
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Because he said exactly what you said. If I get positive feedback, I will go pro. If I don't, I will return to school.
Right now, all the information we have access to says the feedback will not be positive.
He was very careful with his words, and said school, not necessarily Marquette. Dawson is exploring his options, pro or otherwise. Good for him.
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Then why are they waiting to enter the transfer portal? They can't see the writing on the wall? Was practice an audition to see who does not get cut? Or was Shaka toying with all of them? So Oso knows he is not being cut, but Shaka is just holding on to these guys until a Bates or some other player bites? I would already have a position lined up if I knew the boss was looking for a better fit.
At least Symir knew to get out.
Wow, just wow!! Too funny. None of us have any idea what Shaka has said to any of the returning players or incoming recruits and it really is none of our business, but you are making it your business and already trying to stir up trouble where there is none. Dawson Garcia was very specific saying he was testing the NBA and would return to school if he was told he wasn't ready. That is why he has not entered the transfer portal, as many others have done who are also looking at the NBA. Let it go and let Shaka do his job.
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To get this back on topic and away from the existential questions of the day.
Saw in the interview with Shaka. Said O-Max graduated high school a year early. Junior year of HS to the ACC. So...hope everyone is ready to hear about how young he is. But Todd is gonna get a good chance to build him up.
Markus was only 17, sources say!
Seriously, that is good info to know. Looks like a world of potential for O-Max -- as well as a great nickname and, no doubt, a fantastic accent.
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You sound like the 5 year old who replies to every answer with "why?".
If you want a clean slate, then why drag it out. Just be up front with the kids and tell them its time to move on. Then we can welcome on the new players.
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If you want a clean slate, then why drag it out. Just be up front with the kids and tell them its time to move on. Then we can welcome on the new players.
How do you know that Shaka hasn't been up front with them?
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If you want a clean slate, then why drag it out. Just be up front with the kids and tell them its time to move on. Then we can welcome on the new players.
Please, please, please stop pretending like you have any clue as to what is going on with the roster and what has been told to the current players. Just stop.
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What is the record for most Scoop Takes in one thread?
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Iz O-Max like da Big O. If sew, Hoo woodant want an O-Max, hey?
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How soon we forget ners.
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I forgot, how do you block a certain Scoopers posts again? I have a couple that need to be added. Thanks!
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To get this back on topic and away from the existential questions of the day.
Saw in the interview with Shaka. Said O-Max graduated high school a year early. Junior year of HS to the ACC. So...hope everyone is ready to hear about how young he is. But Todd is gonna get a good chance to build him up.
He may be young but judging off of his YouTube highlights from this past season Todd won’t have to do much building.
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He may be young but judging off of his YouTube highlights from this past season Todd won’t have to do much building.
Fair point! It sounds like Shaka wants to get the kids back up to Buzz boot camp level. Todd is gonna be busy.
Also didn't know where to write this, but he also said that he's super impressed by where Oso is physically right now compared to when he recruited him.
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O-Max will be 19 in July, so he's not Markus young.
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He was very careful with his words, and said school, not necessarily Marquette. Dawson is exploring his options, pro or otherwise. Good for him.
I am very confident that Garcia will either go pro or be at Marquette next season. I mean never make bets on what college kids will do and all, but as of this moment it would be completely of the blue for Dawson to transfer.
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I am very confident that Garcia will either go pro or be at Marquette next season. I mean never make bets on what college kids will do and all, but as of this moment it would be completely of the blue for Dawson to transfer.
I think we've seen a lot of the "enter name into draft and also enter the transfer portal" combos this year. I would have expected Dawson to do the same if he intended to transfer.
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Then why are they waiting to enter the transfer portal? They can't see the writing on the wall? Was practice an audition to see who does not get cut? Or was Shaka toying with all of them? So Oso knows he is not being cut, but Shaka is just holding on to these guys until a Bates or some other player bites? I would already have a position lined up if I knew the boss was looking for a better fit.
At least Symir knew to get out.
Jesus man. Maybe they haven't decided if they want to transfer yet. Maybe they are waiting to see what the roster looks like. Maybe they are still feeling out the staff. Or maybe they just haven't gotten to filling out the paperwork yet.
Also, at least one of them hasn't been to all of the practices.
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Maybe you should just realize that you have no idea what the dynamics are behind the scenes and wait to see what happens instead of making dumb observations and asking dumb questions.
It is curious that we are oversigned and nobody is in the transfer portal yet to cover it. Seems to me if you were getting outSmarted then you would want to get into the portal ASAP.
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How will we ever survive a coaching change?
That may be my new favorite Scoop meme...
Welcome to MU Oliver!
“The rebuild will take years”! OK, more like weeks. After 7 years in the desert, we’re a program to be reckoned with again. How fun!
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It is curious that we are oversigned and nobody is in the transfer portal yet to cover it. Seems to me if you were getting outSmarted then you would want to get into the portal ASAP.
Oooooh I haven't seen OutSmarted yet, I really like that one!
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Oooooh I haven't seen OutSmarted yet, I really like that one!
Agreed. This is the winner
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If you want a clean slate, then why drag it out. Just be up front with the kids and tell them its time to move on. Then we can welcome on the new players.
I think we can be sure that Shaka has been open with all of the players. It's why he flew all over the country the week after he was hired to talk to all of the players, in person. Communication is his game.
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Lenny
We were on a self inflicted NCAA probation for seven years and finally free. Only wish we had some NCAA to forfeit for the seven years. Big time excitement around the program.
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I am very confident that Garcia will either go pro or be at Marquette next season. I mean never make bets on what college kids will do and all, but as of this moment it would be completely of the blue for Dawson to transfer.
Ok, let's say Wojo is back at Duke within a few days or weeks. What are the odds that Garcia heads to Duke?
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Ok, let's say Wojo is back at Duke within a few days or weeks. What are the odds that Garcia heads to Duke?
That would be a big mistake with all those 5 star kids coming in? His numbers would go down.
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Do we have a vert number for O-Max? I like 6'8 switchables.
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That would be a big mistake with all those 5 star kids coming in? His numbers would go down.
Agreed. If you are trying to showcase your talents for the nba, you have to be playing. And the nba really doesn’t care where you’re playing.
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O-Max has a great looking skill set- good footwork around the basket, good hands and catches the ball easily, smooth looking shot and a pretty quick release to it, good handle and can attack the rim off the dribble.
Sky looks the limit, may be the gem out of these 5 newcomers the last two days. Very impressed with him.