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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: 1SE on March 27, 2021, 02:50:55 AM
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Go on record now. What bar would Shaka need to fall short of for you to be on the Nah-ka wagon in 5 years (Patience FFS)?
The permutations of different success are pretty huge, but I've tried to capture different "levels" of success. Add your own different criteria below.
For me, in 5 years, we need to be Buzz- at least - otherwise we're going to be almost 15 years without notable post-season success. That would be unacceptable.
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My expectations for MU basketball have never changed:
- almost always in the top 25
- Always in the NCAA tournament
- 1-2 wins in NCAA tournament each year, with occasional "better" runs
- Win the Big East tournament when it's your only chance to get in the big dance
- Clean program
- fun to watch
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Right now I would settle with just putting a team out there that knows fundamental basketball with a winning attitude.
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Scholl said it best...make the NCAA most years and occasionally make a run...be in the top half of the BEAST...have a clean program.
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Right now I would settle with just putting a team out there that knows fundamental basketball with a winning attitude.
This is how I feel.
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My expectations for MU basketball have never changed:
- almost always in the top 25
- Always in the NCAA tournament
- 1-2 wins in NCAA tournament each year, with occasional "better" runs
- Win the Big East tournament when it's your only chance to get in the big dance
- Clean program
- fun to watch
Pretty good expectations, possibly a bit higher
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Right now I would settle with just putting a team out there that knows fundamental basketball with a winning attitude.
Yep. I did not vote- it's too soon and we need to see who Shaka has and what he plans to do, but you are spot on. Get the bleepin' fundamentals down and play with confidence based upon an actual plan, not just trying to figure it out while on court.
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Natty or bust
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- NCAA most years with NIT on the off year: shows there is a quality product on the floor but gives room for young team/injuries/odd slump
- occasional deep run: allows for the 'crap shoot' aspect of the tourney (but whoo-boy if we get bounced the first game he's in the tourney with us this joint is gonna be LIT)
- top half of the BEast mixed with a heavy dose of top 3: we only have 3 conference championships in 30 years (1:15 in BE) so I think competing every year is a stretch
- 1 'magical' run every 8-10 years: FF or lose a heartbreaker in E8
- clean program: listed last because it is a given
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My expectations:
1. That nobody on here ever has to show the Kenpom rankings to build a case on why we are a bubble team or if we win 4 of the last five we can be a six seed.
2. The "What are ranked on Monday?" thread is on the first page of scoop every week of the Shaka era.
3. That we are favored the first two NCAA games far more times than we are not.
4. If I cannot use tickets to a game, that there actually are people that would like to use them, even on a cold Tuesday night against DePaul.
5. That Marquette University benefits to the full extent on what being a basketball school can bring to the table.
6. The Meat Summits are spent talking current state of the program vs. what happened nearly a half century ago.
7. Lastly, and high on my list, that everyone here knows when the team/program passes the eye test. When a team/program is playing at a high level all you have to do is watch the game to know how they stack up. Prime example is DWade. No one needed computer stats to know he was the best of all time at a high level basketball school.
For a wish item, I hope that Shaka can be a great influence and leader for the city of MKE. MKE needs help and Shaka/MU can be great role models to help bring the city to a better place.
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- NCAA most years with NIT on the off year: shows there is a quality product on the floor but gives room for young team/injuries/odd slump
- occasional deep run: allows for the 'crap shoot' aspect of the tourney (but whoo-boy if we get bounced the first game he's in the tourney with us this joint is gonna be LIT)
- top half of the BEast mixed with a heavy dose of top 3: we only have 3 conference championships in 30 years (1:15 in BE) so I think competing every year is a stretch
- 1 'magical' run every 8-10 years: FF or lose a heartbreaker in E8
- clean program: listed last because it is a given
👏👏realistic and solid list!!
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Come on. We are Marquette.
Every year participant in the NCAA is a minimum standard.
Contender for the Big East regular season title.
Win the Big East tournament.
Consistently in the Top 10.
Destroy the rodent every year.
Kick ass and take no prisoners on the floor (and laugh while we do it).
A natty or two.
A couple of other things would be nice, like never losing at home and packing the computing castle.
That is the standard that makes Marquette who we are. Anything else does not matter.
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Come on. We are Marquette.
Every year participant in the NCAA is a minimum standard.
Contender for the Big East regular season title.
Win the Big East tournament.
Consistently in the Top 10.
Destroy the rodent every year.
Kick ass and take no prisoners on the floor (and laugh while we do it).
A natty or two.
A couple of other things would be nice, like never losing at home and packing the computing castle.
That is the standard that makes Marquette who we are. Anything else does not matter.
This is even better, and one that we must aspire to. Is not this why Shaka Kahn was hired? Great aspirations.
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My expectations:
1. That nobody on here ever has to show the Kenpom rankings to build a case on why we are a bubble team or if we win 4 of the last five we can be a six seed.
2. The "What are ranked on Monday?" thread is on the first page of scoop every week of the Shaka era.
3. That we are favored the first two NCAA games far more times than we are not.
4. If I cannot use tickets to a game, that there actually are people that would like to use them, even on a cold Tuesday night against DePaul.
5. That Marquette University benefits to the full extent on what being a basketball school can bring to the table.
6. The Meat Summits are spent talking current state of the program vs. what happened nearly a half century ago.
7. Lastly, and high on my list, that everyone here knows when the team/program passes the eye test. When a team/program is playing at a high level all you have to do is watch the game to know how they stack up. Prime example is DWade. No one needed computer stats to know he was the best of all time at a high level basketball school.
For a wish item, I hope that Shaka can be a great influence and leader for the city of MKE. MKE needs help and Shaka/MU can be great role models to help bring the city to a better place.
I like that as a program barometer.
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My expectations:
1. That nobody on here ever has to show the Kenpom rankings to build a case on why we are a bubble team or if we win 4 of the last five we can be a six seed.
2. The "What are ranked on Monday?" thread is on the first page of scoop every week of the Shaka era.
3. That we are favored the first two NCAA games far more times than we are not.
4. If I cannot use tickets to a game, that there actually are people that would like to use them, even on a cold Tuesday night against DePaul.
5. That Marquette University benefits to the full extent on what being a basketball school can bring to the table.
6. The Meat Summits are spent talking current state of the program vs. what happened nearly a half century ago.
7. Lastly, and high on my list, that everyone here knows when the team/program passes the eye test. When a team/program is playing at a high level all you have to do is watch the game to know how they stack up. Prime example is DWade. No one needed computer stats to know he was the best of all time at a high level basketball school.
For a wish item, I hope that Shaka can be a great influence and leader for the city of MKE. MKE needs help and Shaka/MU can be great role models to help bring the city to a better place.
Love this list, Goose.
And I'll take those DePaul tickets! Thanks in advance!!
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Beat ND and UW more often and not.
Put an emphasis on continuing the restart of the ND series
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You are banned from my tickets for year one due to promoting a fifth year for Theo.
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I posted this in another thread but I’ve already made bets with some friends that we’ll make the final 4 in the first 5 years. I like my chances
Expectations are that we make the tournament every year and we make the second weekend or beyond every couple of years. I think that’s very realistic. Basically get back to what we were pre Wojo
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You are banned from my tickets for year one due to promoting a fifth year for Theo.
Interesting that you don't believe Theo would be a good 9th or 10th man on a Shaka-coached team; I'm guessing Shaka would disagree strongly with you.
But I obviously accept your "punishment," as they are your tickets to give away. We'll be a better team in 2022-23 anyway, so ... Mrs. 82 and I accept!
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This is even better, and one that we must aspire to. Is not this why Shaka Kahn was hired? Great aspirations.
We, collectively, get wrapped around the axel on aspirations vs expectations. 100% agree with dgies list as aspirations but you're going to be disappointed if that is your expectation.
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If Theo comes back as a tenth man, I am all in. I have always been a fan of a nine man rotation.
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If Theo comes back as a tenth man, I am all in. I have always been a fan of a nine man rotation.
Love this and my sentiments exactly.
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My expectations for MU basketball have never changed:
- almost always in the top 25
- Always in the NCAA tournament
- 1-2 wins in NCAA tournament each year, with occasional "better" runs
- Win the Big East tournament when it's your only chance to get in the big dance
- Clean program
- fun to watch
So you've never been satisfied huh?
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I think the correct terms are smarties and dummies
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My expectations:
1. That nobody on here ever has to show the Kenpom rankings to build a case on why we are a bubble team or if we win 4 of the last five we can be a six seed.
2. The "What are ranked on Monday?" thread is on the first page of scoop every week of the Shaka era.
3. That we are favored the first two NCAA games far more times than we are not.
4. If I cannot use tickets to a game, that there actually are people that would like to use them, even on a cold Tuesday night against DePaul.
5. That Marquette University benefits to the full extent on what being a basketball school can bring to the table.
6. The Meat Summits are spent talking current state of the program vs. what happened nearly a half century ago.
7. Lastly, and high on my list, that everyone here knows when the team/program passes the eye test. When a team/program is playing at a high level all you have to do is watch the game to know how they stack up. Prime example is DWade. No one needed computer stats to know he was the best of all time at a high level basketball school.
For a wish item, I hope that Shaka can be a great influence and leader for the city of MKE. MKE needs help and Shaka/MU can be great role models to help bring the city to a better place.
#1 and 2 in particular are dead on for me. I always found it annoying when some posters got excited when a team we beat in December won a game in Feb so our rankings would go up. Hell of a low bar to get excited about.
I was ambivalent at first about the Shaka hire, but your enthusiasm has given me hope.
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My expectations for MU basketball have never changed:
- almost always in the top 25
- Always in the NCAA tournament
- 1-2 wins in NCAA tournament each year, with occasional "better" runs
- Win the Big East tournament when it's your only chance to get in the big dance
- Clean program
- fun to watch
Great list, with the exception of winning the BEast tournament when it’s our only chance to get in.
I’m actually curious, had MU ever done that?
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Great list, with the exception of winning the BEast tournament when it’s our only chance to get in.
I’m actually curious, had MU ever done that?
Not in the Big East but they did in ‘97 when in Conference USA
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Great list, with the exception of winning the BEast tournament when it’s our only chance to get in.
I’m actually curious, had MU ever done that?
I put it there because I've never been a big fan of conference tournaments in any case because they wear out legs/create opportunity for injury/take huge time right before the very important tournament. As a result, the only years when the BEAST tournament is important for me is a year when MU is not already in the tournament, because then they must win the BEAST tournament in order to get in the NCAA Tournament. Top 3/4 in the BEAST going into the tournament is the place to be.
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The bare minimum is hang a banner at the Al / schedule a reunion.
Do that by doing 1 of the following in your tenure:
Winning Conference Title
• Kevin
• Tom
• Buzz
Winning a Conference Tournament
• Mike
Making a Sweet 16
• Kevin
• Tom
• Buzz
Before Wojo, our last 4 coaches met this bare minimum, yes even Crean. I don’t think it’s asking too much.
And as crap shooty as Conf tournament / NCAA Tournament success is, it allows the Marquette community to come together and celebrate as one like few other ways the University can create. Basketball is a marketing play, we need to make sure our marketing is working.
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At this point I would be thrilled to see halftime adjustments.
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The team always has the talent to win, even against top-10 opponents.
The coach makes sound in-game adjustments and very rarely is said to have been outcoached.
The players represent the university with dignity (as they have the past seven years).
Tickets become a precious commodity.
If we accomplish all that, the NCAA bids, conference titles, and occasional deep runs in March will just fall into place.
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At this point I would be thrilled to see halftime adjustments.
Timeouts with strategy instead of coach speak
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I’ll also post this here since it will be easier to find in five years if I have the opportunity to gloat...or for Blackhat to find if he has the opportunity to remind me of my over-the-top optimism.
We just hired the Big 12’s Steve wojocjoezski.
What the hell...this may age badly, but I’ll give it a shot.
I predict that five years from today, the following will be true:
- MU will have finished in the top half of the Big East at least four times.
- MU will have finished top three in the Big East at least twice.
- MU will have played in the BET semi finals at least twice.
- MU will have played in the BET finals at least once.
- MU will have qualified for the NCAA tournament at least three times.
- MU will have won at least three NCAA games.
- MU will have been at least a four seed.
- MU will have been ranked in at least two seasons.
- Most fans will be really happy with Shaka as our coach.
- The post quoted above will have aged worse than this post.
Overly optimistic. Probably. But we’ve got this.
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A team that’s fun to watch again.
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Brothers and Sisters, you are aiming way too low. We are Marquette means something. It means we are the meanest SOBs in the Valley.
It means we should eyeball Jay Wright and say, We are coming for you ... and look out! It means teams like UConn, Creighton and Xavier should be afraid ... Very Afraid.
It means a Natty should be within our grasp.
Anything less is just Badger feed.
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I’d like to see the turnover problem fixed. I know Shaka is great at creating turnovers, but did his teams take care of the ball at UT/VCU?
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I put it there because I've never been a big fan of conference tournaments in any case because they wear out legs/create opportunity for injury/take huge time right before the very important tournament. As a result, the only years when the BEAST tournament is important for me is a year when MU is not already in the tournament, because then they must win the BEAST tournament in order to get in the NCAA Tournament. Top 3/4 in the BEAST going into the tournament is the place to be.
I would much rather win the BEast regular-season title, as we did in 2013, than win the postseason title. One shows season-long excellence, the other a hot 3-4 day stretch.
I wouldn't hate winning the postseason conference title, mind you, I just don't think it measures excellence anywhere close to what a regular-season title does.
Here's hoping Shaka gets us several of those.
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I would much rather win the BEast regular-season title, as we did in 2013, than win the postseason title. One shows season-long excellence, the other a hot 3-4 day stretch.
I wouldn't hate winning the postseason conference title, mind you, I just don't think it measures excellence anywhere close to what a regular-season title does.
Here's hoping Shaka gets us several of those.
It doesn't measure season long excellence but I never understood the conference tournament hate. Tired legs? Injuries? BS. In it to win it. Be talked about being a favorite to win it, before and during the conference tournament. Win a championship. Be a higher seed in the NCAA tournament. Final is on a Saturday, lots of rest time. Brings excitement to the players and program and fan base. Otherwise don't play it.
I hate having to play the first day and rarely making a semi-final game. I want Big East regular conference and tournament conference titles.
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Saturday night in New York City at Madison Square Garden. I’ll take that shift.
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In 2013 I was all fired up and flew out to NYC for the Big East tournament, even got hook hooked up with court side seats. We got rocked by ND. It sucked.
Would love if Shaka could change our Big East tournament curse
I want to cut down nets
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I would much rather win the BEast regular-season title, as we did in 2013, than win the postseason title. One shows season-long excellence, the other a hot 3-4 day stretch.
I wouldn't hate winning the postseason conference title, mind you, I just don't think it measures excellence anywhere close to what a regular-season title does.
Here's hoping Shaka gets us several of those.
A S16 shows a hot 3 day stretch too - do you discount that to a conference title? I'd put them at least on par if not a favoring to the S16.