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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Tums Festival on March 23, 2021, 08:18:04 AM
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Is there any information on upcoming interviews with potential candidates? Of all the names being discussed, everyone but Porter Moser is available to talk to Scholl.
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Scholl is taking a couple of weeks off to meditate and get his Shak-ras in line. He Mosied off to a corporate retreat because time no Matta. When recharged, he will charge through the Gates and make a Beilein to his office and get on the phone.
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Scholl is taking a couple of weeks off to meditate and get his Shak-ras in line. He Mosied off to a corporate retreat because time no Matta. When recharged, he will charge through the Gates and make a Beilein to his office and get on the phone.
This is impressive. I Wardle'nt be able to word-Smith like that.
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Scholl is taking a couple of weeks off to meditate and get his Shak-ras in line. He Mosied off to a corporate retreat because time no Matta. When recharged, he will charge through the Gates and make a Beilein to his office and get on the phone.
This guy must be McGuired into the ADs office. Buzzing off for now.
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This guy must be McGuired into the ADs office. Buzzing off for now.
Reading this gives me a Pitino my stomach.
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Any time you are comparing people for a position, the Crean always rises to the top.
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If they do this right.....
You will hear nothing about interviews.....
You may get a "trial" ballon release.....Probably through Dodds site.....To gauge the alum.....
One of the web guys under Dodds right now is really pumping the "Gates/Shaka" stuff....Of course he is the "young".....Got to have the latest "in thing kid"......
I personally want the Mark Few......Jay Wright ....final destination.....culture.....stay for 15 years guy......And there is only one of those out there.....We shall see.....
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If they do this right.....
You will hear nothing about interviews.....
You may get a "trial" ballon release.....Probably through Dodds site.....To gauge the alum.....
One of the web guys under Dodds right now is really pumping the "Gates/Shaka" stuff....Of course he is the "young".....Got to have the latest "in thing kid"......
I personally want the Mark Few......Jay Wright .....guy......And there is only one of those out there.....We shall see.....
This guy is Dodds, right?
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This guy is Dodds, right?
He's Dodd's editor.
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He's Dodd's Dodds' editor.
FIFY
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FIFY
Appreciated
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On the advise of my agent I cannot comment if I was interviewed or not.
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Dodds’s
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Marquette University's basketball program represents a truly outstanding opportunity, however, I am very happy where I am and am anxious to continue building upon the great base that we have established here at Scoop.
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If they do this right.....
You will hear nothing about interviews.....
You may get a "trial" ballon release.....Probably through Dodds site.....To gauge the alum.....
One of the web guys under Dodds right now is really pumping the "Gates/Shaka" stuff....Of course he is the "young".....Got to have the latest "in thing kid"......
I personally want the Mark Few......Jay Wright ....final destination.....culture.....stay for 15 years guy......And there is only one of those out there.....We shall see.....
You're relying on Dodds, the guy who SO sure Wojo was going to remain at MU up to 24 hours before Wojo was FIRED? LOL LOL LOL
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A source I trust says MU has already been in contact with the agents of Gates and Moser. He says Gates is our top candidate.
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A source I trust says MU has already been in contact with the agents of Gates and Moser. He says Gates is our top candidate.
Appreciate the info!
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A source I trust says MU has already been in contact with the agents of Gates and Moser. He says Gates is our top candidate.
Interesting. That makes for a complex scenario. I’m sure they’ll want to interview Moser before they make any decisions, which could have to wait until next week.
I don’t know if Moser would do an interview while prepping for a Sweet Sixteen game. I think it’s common in college football or the NFL, but that’s more assistants interviewing.
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Interesting. That makes for a complex scenario. I’m sure they’ll want to interview Moser before they make any decisions, which could have to wait until next week.
I don’t know if Moser would do an interview while prepping for a Sweet Sixteen game. I think it’s common in college football or the NFL, but that’s more assistants interviewing.
If it's Gates they are targeting, and Moser's team has told MU to wait, they'll wait. If Moser's team has told MU it's not happening, Gates will be named before the end of this week. #InGatesWeTrust
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If it's Gates they are targeting, and Moser's team has told MU to wait, they'll wait. If Moser's team has told MU it's not happening, Gates will be named before the end of this week. #InGatesWeTrust
Totally agree. My scenario is predicated on Moser being interested. Which Goodman says he is, but who knows.
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A source I trust says MU has already been in contact with the agents of Gates and Moser. He says Gates is our top candidate.
Great to hear I would be very happy with either
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Interesting. That makes for a complex scenario. I’m sure they’ll want to interview Moser before they make any decisions, which could have to wait until next week.
I don’t know if Moser would do an interview while prepping for a Sweet Sixteen game. I think it’s common in college football or the NFL, but that’s more assistants interviewing.
Assistants are one thing. Head coach, no way.
Now, Moser could tell his agent to tell MU he is interested in the position and willing to discuss further once the season is over. But, that's it. No formal interview.
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Dodds’s
Dodds' is correct as well.
For names that end in an s or z sound, though, you can either add -'s or just an apostrophe. Going with -'s is the more common choice:
the car that belongs to Jones → Jones's car or Jones' car
https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/what-happens-to-names-when-we-make-them-plural-or-possessive
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If it's Gates they are targeting, and Moser's team has told MU to wait, they'll wait. If Moser's team has told MU it's not happening, Gates will be named before the end of this week. #InGatesWeTrust
Not necessarily, if Gates is the first choice. Sometimes you have to move with pace to secure your preferred candidate. It isn't as though other schools aren't also interested in Gates. The longer you wait for someone else, the more you risk not landing Gates if he is the top choice. Waiting for Moser would indicate either Gates wouldn't be their top choice or, that he isn't by enough to get it done sooner.
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Not necessarily, if Gates is the first choice. Sometimes you have to move with pace to secure your preferred candidate. It isn't as though other schools aren't also interested in Gates. The longer you wait for someone else, the more you risk not landing Gates if he is the top choice. Waiting for Moser would indicate either Gates wouldn't be their top choice or, that he isn't by enough to get it done sooner.
Maybe if he adds another final four they'll move him to top choice?
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A source I trust says MU has already been in contact with the agents of Gates and Moser. He says Gates is our top candidate.
PhillyCoach?
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Not necessarily, if Gates is the first choice. Sometimes you have to move with pace to secure your preferred candidate. It isn't as though other schools aren't also interested in Gates. The longer you wait for someone else, the more you risk not landing Gates if he is the top choice. Waiting for Moser would indicate either Gates wouldn't be their top choice or, that he isn't by enough to get it done sooner.
What other schools would Gates go to?
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Maybe if he adds another final four they'll move him to top choice?
I'm just saying if Gates is MUBB top choice, there is risk involved waiting for someome.else to finish NCAA Tourney Play before securing Gates.
Your scenario would indicate Gates either wouldn't be their top choice, or not by enough to get it done prior to waiting for an additional candidate.
There is a big assumption that Gates won't get scooped up by someone else, or lose interest while waiting. There is also a possibility that Gates has interest in multiple places, and that can cause delay as well. Various scenarios.
But if someone is your top choice, there is some risk involved losing that top choice, by waiting for someone else to be available
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What other schools would Gates go to?
All it takes is one.
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I'm just saying if Gates is MUBB top choice, there is risk involved waiting for someome.else to finish NCAA Tourney Play before securing Gates.
Your scenario would indicate Gates either wouldn't be their top choice, or not by enough to get it done prior to waiting for an additional candidate.
There is a big assumption that Gates won't get scooped up by someone else, or lose interest while waiting.
Right now, I think the only risk is DePaul. Which has been rumored to be looking at Moser as well.
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Not necessarily, if Gates is the first choice. Sometimes you have to move with pace to secure your preferred candidate. It isn't as though other schools aren't also interested in Gates. The longer you wait for someone else, the more you risk not landing Gates if he is the top choice. Waiting for Moser would indicate either Gates wouldn't be their top choice or, that he isn't by enough to get it done sooner.
With the Minnesota job taken and Indiana apparently zeroing in on Mike Woodson, I'm guessing Marquette has time to wait with Gates. The only other P6 school that likely is interested is DePaul, and they'll probably wait on Moser as well.
That said, with all the transfers out there and the likelihood that the roster is going to have holes to plug, getting a guy in sooner than later is probably smart.
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With the Minnesota job taken and Indiana apparently zeroing in on Mike Woodson, I'm guessing Marquette has time to wait with Gates. The only other P6 school that likely is interested is DePaul, and they'll probably wait on Moser as well.
That said, with all the transfers out there and the likelihood that the roster is going to have holes to plug, getting a guy in sooner than later is probably smart.
Possibly. That assumes that there won't be additional opportunities in Power 5/Big East, and, that he would only consider a job in those leagues.
And of course maybe that's a risk MUBB wants to take. But if DG is their first choice, there is some risk involved that he either goes elsewhere or passes on MUBB later.
The premise here was DG was their #1.
And the other reasons you mentioned of value for starting sooner.
There is of course some value in being patient and thorough, but, there is some risk involved too.
It works the other way as well when a coach wants to wait for a perceived better opportunity and the school moves on from the coach because of that etc...
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Possibly. That assumes that there won't be additional opportunities in Power 5/Big East, and, that he would only consider a job in those leagues.
I do feel safe believing that Gates isn't going to another mid-major. His next job will be at a P6 program, whether it's this year or next.
Even if DG is Scholl's #1, I do think there is some value in speaking with other candidates as well. They need to weigh that against the risk of losing Gates, of course, but I'm not worried that DG is going to anxious and run off to Fordham or Eastern Michigan.
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Scholl has to see other candidates to judge the required Powerpoint skills
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What's the fascination with Gates?
I get the enthusiasm for Moser, but he's had success on the biggest stage.
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I do feel safe believing that Gates isn't going to another mid-major. His next job will be at a P6 program, whether it's this year or next.
Even if DG is Scholl's #1, I do think there is some value in speaking with other candidates as well. They need to weigh that against the risk of losing Gates, of course, but I'm not worried that DG is going to anxious and run off to Fordham or Eastern Michigan.
So get if we go with Gates MU will allow for JUCO transfers.
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So get if we go with Gates MU will allow for JUCO transfers.
Wojo could and did recruit JUCOs......
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Seems likely that the Goodman name drop of Gates as a Depaul candidate was information offered to get MU to commit.
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What's the fascination with Gates?
I get the enthusiasm for Moser, but he's had success on the biggest stage.
He's recruited well for multiple programs in multiple conferences in multiple geographies and learned from several different head coaching styles. Most recently as an assistant, he helped Leonard Hamilton turn FSU into the consistent winner it is today, by bringing in high level talent that plays unselfish team-focused ball. In his only two years as a head coach, he has been named conference coach of the year both times. Additionally, he's from Chicago, and has a history at Marquette as a graduate assistant. I love his profile and think he'd be a great hire.
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Fun fact:
Armon Gates, younger brother of Dennis Gates, was a former assistant under Porter Moser at Loyola Chicago.
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I think Dennis Gates would be a great hire, but my concern is what he would do if the FSU job opened up. Leonard Hamilton is already 72 and isn't gonna coach forever. If that job opens up in a year or two, what does he do?
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When you compare Gates’s resume to Moser’s it’s not even close. Gates only has a two year track record. That said if it’s Gates I’d support him, but he’s a big gamble.
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What's the fascination with Gates?
I get the enthusiasm for Moser, but he's had success on the biggest stage.
Actually, I was just looking a little more closely at Gates' background, and I'm much more enthusiastic about his candidacy than I was. I do wish he had more HC experience, but his recruiting at Florida State was pretty darn good. At this point, I feel like I've got Moser as a 1a with Gates as a pretty strong 1b. If you could merge them -- Moser's HC experience and success with Gates' experience recruiting high major-caliber players -- it would be a pretty ideal candidate. But as has been said in other threads, there aren't many ideal candidates out there. Every coach we've talked about has at least one key question mark. Mosers is high level recruiting. Gates' is coaching. And for the record, I haven't seen anything to show that those two are deficient in those areas -- just that we don't know at this point.
One interesting thing is that it might be easier to assess Gates' coaching acumen based upon the last couple years than it is to assess Moser's ability to recruit at the highest level.
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I think Dennis Gates would be a great hire, but my concern is what he would do if the FSU job opened up. Leonard Hamilton is already 72 and isn't gonna coach forever. If that job opens up in a year or two, what does he do?
We've been through this once with Wojo. If Gates gets poached by FSU that means he had success here. I can deal with that.
Of course the alternative is he sucks and then we can't get rid of him...
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We've been through this once with Wojo. If Gates gets poached by FSU that means he had success here. I can deal with that.
Of course the alternative is he sucks and then we can't get rid of him...
You joke but I heard Wojo was going back to Duke to continue Coach K's streak of missed tourneys
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It’s definitely a concern of mine, but there’s some reason to hope. He’s from Chicago, so being close to home might be better. He’s played and coached all over the country, so it’s not like a Buzz situation where Texas is a natural fit.
I know he is very fond of Hamilton, but he may not want to be his replacement and be constantly compared to him. Also, FSU has had a good run, but they aren’t a traditional ACC power.
Now, he may jump to FSU the second Hamilton retires and this is me just being optimistic. However, some of these natural replacements don’t always happen. I mean Roy Williams turned down UNC the first time.
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We've been through this once with Wojo. If Gates gets poached by FSU that means he had success here. I can deal with that.
Of course the alternative is he sucks and then we can't get rid of him...
This is where I’m at. There are too many coaching failures to layer on a constraint that the coach is someone that will be here for the rest of their career/forever.
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Actually, I was just looking a little more closely at Gates' background, and I'm much more enthusiastic about his candidacy than I was. I do wish he had more HC experience, but his recruiting at Florida State was pretty darn good. At this point, I feel like I've got Moser as a 1a with Gates as a pretty strong 1b. If you could merge them -- Moser's HC experience and success with Gates' experience recruiting high major-caliber players -- it would be a pretty ideal candidate. But as has been said in other threads, there aren't many ideal candidates out there. Every coach we've talked about has at least one key question mark. Mosers is high level recruiting. Gates' is coaching. And for the record, I haven't seen anything to show that those two are deficient in those areas -- just that we don't know at this point.
One interesting thing is that it might be easier to assess Gates' coaching acumen based upon the last couple years than it is to assess Moser's ability to recruit at the highest level.
Co-head coaches!
Then, when one leaves, we drop the co- designation on the other guy. No coaching search.
That is some blog level thinking there, boys.
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Fun fact:
Armon Gates, younger brother of Dennis Gates, was a former assistant under Porter Moser at Loyola Chicago.
Wow just checked his resume too, super impressive family
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Actually, I was just looking a little more closely at Gates' background, and I'm much more enthusiastic about his candidacy than I was. I do wish he had more HC experience, but his recruiting at Florida State was pretty darn good. At this point, I feel like I've got Moser as a 1a with Gates as a pretty strong 1b. If you could merge them -- Moser's HC experience and success with Gates' experience recruiting high major-caliber players -- it would be a pretty ideal candidate. But as has been said in other threads, there aren't many ideal candidates out there. Every coach we've talked about has at least one key question mark. Mosers is high level recruiting. Gates' is coaching. And for the record, I haven't seen anything to show that those two are deficient in those areas -- just that we don't know at this point.
One interesting thing is that it might be easier to assess Gates' coaching acumen based upon the last couple years than it is to assess Moser's ability to recruit at the highest level.
This is where I'm at too. Moser, to me, is in the Few/Wright/Majerus coaching mold (long term program-building, insane precision fundamentals), and Gates is in the Hamilton/Buzz mold (rangy switchable athletes that play a great team-focused style on both ends of the court). I think we'd be very happy with the results if we hired either one of them.
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This is where I’m at. There are too many coaching failures to layer on a constraint that the coach is someone that will be here for the rest of their career/forever.
It took Wojo's tenure to help me get over the fact that if our next coach has a great run, other jobs will come calling for him. I'll take the great run.
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PhillyCoach?
No, the son of a former MU player who is very well connected to the program. He lives in Milwaukee. The Philly coach was a great resource on the Newbill situation. He probably doesn't have much insight into this one. :)
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A Bird in the hand is worth two in the Bush.
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Burger isn't Dodds. Pretty much the only thing they agree on is the use of ellipses.
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It took Wojo's tenure to help me get over the fact that if our next coach has a great run, other jobs will come calling for him. I'll take the great run.
I don’t know...sustained mediocrity does bring a certain stability.
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A Bird in the hand is worth two in the Bush.
Wil Bush assistant coach from Point Loma Nazarene? (yes, one L)
Larry Bird? hard to believe.
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This is where I'm at too. Moser, to me, is in the Few/Wright/Majerus coaching mold (long term program-building, insane precision fundamentals), and Gates is in the Hamilton/Buzz mold (rangy switchable athletes that play a great team-focused style on both ends of the court). I think we'd be very happy with the results if we hired either one of them.
I'm in the Few/Wright/Majerus coaching mold camp. Moser is getting the job done at the highest level, Gates?
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When you compare Gates’s resume to Moser’s it’s not even close. Gates only has a two year track record. That said if it’s Gates I’d support him, but he’s a big gamble.
If Marquette were to hire Gates, he'd come to Marquette with more head coaching experience than Majerus, KO, Crean, Brent, and Steve combined. He's no more of a gamble than any of those guys.
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Burger isn't Dodds. Pretty much the only thing they agree on is the use of ellipses.
We actually agree on Moser........But Murph had to convince him.....
I got my name over there from 247 taking over Dodds original site and it was to much of a pain in the butt to change a name from being on the Chicago Bears forum originally.....
Like Dodds would be caught dead posting here considering the history.....LOL....
When you mention this site.....I guarantee he gets angina......
He does have good "MU connects" though.....
PS.....If you guys have been around for some of these coaching changes.....You have to "read" the "spin" that comes out of the school's administration to try and placate the alums.....
We are slightly different and not quite as blatant.....But before Crean was hired at Indiana.....I two day marketing blitz hit the PEEGS/247 sties.....Just part of it.....SPIN....SPIN.....SPIN.....
A lot of SPIN on Gates.....That being said.....
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I believe Gates will be the next coach.
He checks all the boxes with the exception of a lengthy tenure as a head coach. But he is a head coach, not an assistant.
-Former college player and was from Chicago
-Grad Assistant at MU, yes only a year but he was there.
-Assistant at FSU for 10 years. Learned under Hamilton at a big school which had numerous NCAA Tournament appearances. Was the lead recruiter at FSU, so he checks the box of having ties with the AAU circuits. He probably knew Carton, Garcia and Lewis from the AAU circuit scene and they know him. You can google his former FSU players and see what they said about him ,especially some NBA players.
-Head coach experience. Some will guess on that experience, but he was Coach of the Year and his players really like him.
-No baggage.
-Afro American Coach
-Gates is I believe 41, so he is younger than the other candidates being discussed. I saw it with Boynton at Oklahoma State and how the players were reacting with him. It was just different and they actually looked like they were having fun.
- No players have left yet and no recruits have decommitted subsequent to Wojo leaving. Maybe Scholl told them all, "Listen guys, its going to take a few weeks, but you guys are really going to like our new coach, so just hold on and see".
Whether he hinted at whom that may be, no one here will know.
-Scholl said he was looking for a current/former head coach, with no baggage and that diversity was going the play a role in the hiring process. All the Scholl boxes checked off. Now, if granted an interview and he bombs, that's another story.
Hope I am right, seems like a nice fit. But when the new coach is hired, no one will be statisfied.
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We actually agree on Moser........But Murph had to convince him.....
I got my name over there from 247 taking over Dodds original site and it was to much of a pain in the butt to change a name from being on the Chicago Bears forum originally.....
Like Dodds would be caught dead posting here considering the history.....LOL....
When you mention this site.....I guarantee he gets angina......
He does have good "MU connects" though.....
Awhile ago Dodds actually posted here b*thing at pretty much everyone on this site for mocking him. It's been quite a few years but it cracks me up.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=4887
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Gates also has NBA staff experience with the Clips.
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-Head coach experience. Some will guess on that experience, but he was Coach of the Year both seasons he's been a head coach and his players really like him.
Fixed.
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I believe Gates will be the next coach.
He checks all the boxes with the exception of a lengthy tenure as a head coach. But he is a head coach, not an assistant.
-Former college player and was from Chicago
-Grad Assistant at MU, yes only a year but he was there.
-Assistant at FSU for 10 years. Learned under Hamilton at a big school which had numerous NCAA Tournament appearances. Was the lead recruiter at FSU, so he checks the box of having ties with the AAU circuits. He probably knew Carton, Garcia and Lewis from the AAU circuit scene and they know him. You can google his former FSU players and see what they said about him ,especially some NBA players.
-Head coach experience. Some will guess on that experience, but he was Coach of the Year and his players really like him.
-No baggage.
-Afro American Coach
-Gates is I believe 41, so he is younger than the other candidates being discussed. I saw it with Boynton at Oklahoma State and how the players were reacting with him. It was just different and they actually looked like they were having fun.
- No players have left yet and no recruits have decommitted subsequent to Wojo leaving. Maybe Scholl told them all, "Listen guys, its going to take a few weeks, but you guys are really going to like our new coach, so just hold on and see".
Whether he hinted at whom that may be, no one here will know.
-Scholl said he was looking for a current/former head coach, with no baggage and that diversity was going the play a role in the hiring process. All the Scholl boxes checked off. Now, if granted an interview and he bombs, that's another story.
Hope I am right, seems like a nice fit. But when the new coach is hired, no one will be statisfied.
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Nice summary.
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I won’t believe it’s Gates or Moser until CSU17 or LUC17 comes on here blasting us for even thinking their coach is leaving.
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I believe Gates will be the next coach.
He checks all the boxes with the exception of a lengthy tenure as a head coach. But he is a head coach, not an assistant.
-Former college player and was from Chicago
-Grad Assistant at MU, yes only a year but he was there.
-Assistant at FSU for 10 years. Learned under Hamilton at a big school which had numerous NCAA Tournament appearances. Was the lead recruiter at FSU, so he checks the box of having ties with the AAU circuits. He probably knew Carton, Garcia and Lewis from the AAU circuit scene and they know him. You can google his former FSU players and see what they said about him ,especially some NBA players.
-Head coach experience. Some will guess on that experience, but he was Coach of the Year and his players really like him.
-No baggage.
-Afro American Coach
-Gates is I believe 41, so he is younger than the other candidates being discussed. I saw it with Boynton at Oklahoma State and how the players were reacting with him. It was just different and they actually looked like they were having fun.
- No players have left yet and no recruits have decommitted subsequent to Wojo leaving. Maybe Scholl told them all, "Listen guys, its going to take a few weeks, but you guys are really going to like our new coach, so just hold on and see".
Whether he hinted at whom that may be, no one here will know.
-Scholl said he was looking for a current/former head coach, with no baggage and that diversity was going the play a role in the hiring process. All the Scholl boxes checked off. Now, if granted an interview and he bombs, that's another story.
Hope I am right, seems like a nice fit. But when the new coach is hired, no one will be statisfied.
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Make it happen Bill! Let's go get him, looks like a good shot to take
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Make it happen Bill! Let's go get him, looks like a good shot to take
If he his not announced by the end of the week is the AD doing his due diligence or is it that Gates is not his top choice?
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If he his not announced by the end of the week is the AD doing his due diligence or is it that Gates is not his top choice?
I would guess they are waiting to formally interview Moser if he’s interested.
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If he his not announced by the end of the week is the AD doing his due diligence or is it that Gates is not his top choice?
My guess is Gates is a top choice for us and we are for him as well.
But still wanna give some due diligence to guys like Moser who could interview soon.
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For what it's worth on Loyola's board there's a guy saying Moser's agreed to interview. A few posters have mentioned that our opening worries them but the only guy with a "source" just said he agreed to interview.
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For what it's worth on Loyola's board there's a guy saying Moser's agreed to interview. A few posters have mentioned that our opening worries them but the only guy with a "source" just said he agreed to interview.
Yeah, I think he would be pretty silly to not at least interview.
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For what it's worth on Loyola's board there's a guy saying Moser's agreed to interview. A few posters have mentioned that our opening worries them but the only guy with a "source" just said he agreed to interview.
who knew Loyola even had a message board
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who knew Loyola even had a message board
I usually check out the board of high major opponents before we play them to see their perspective. Loyola's board actually is better than the vast majority of boards I've seen.
http://www.ramblermania.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=12
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My guess is Gates is a top choice for us and we are for him as well.
But still wanna give some due diligence to guys like Moser who could interview soon.
Why not Depaul. He's a Chicago guy, no? Especially if they can outbid us.
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who knew Loyola even had a message board
LUCSCOOP
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Why not Depaul. He's a Chicago guy, no? Especially if they can outbid us.
As a Chicago guy, he probably knows all the reasons why Marquette is a more attractive gig.
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Why not Depaul. He's a Chicago guy, no? Especially if they can outbid us.
Because we are a better program in many different ways. And they won't outbid us.
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I usually check out the board of high major opponents before we play them to see their perspective. Loyola's board actually is better than the vast majority of boards I've seen.
http://www.ramblermania.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=12
Whoa!
http://www.ramblermania.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=3103&start=170#p38828
Ben and Marques both on Twitter advocating for Loyola to go to the Big East (or A10) to keep Porter. Love those guys, but also hope that Loyola not moving to a bigger conference isnt the nail in the coffin for PM. Those are hard things to manage, especially with DePaul in the way
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Why not Depaul. He's a Chicago guy, no? Especially if they can outbid us.
As mentioned we simply are the better program and should outbid them.
And the fact he flat out turned down advancing through the process with Minny tells me he has something clearly better in mind, which at this point would be us.
I got no insider knowledge but it just feels like with the way the whole process has went we are his top choice and hes one of ours
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Whoa!
http://www.ramblermania.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=3103&start=170#p38828
Would Depaul object if they replaced Marquette. Just think about it. A program on the rise replacing a program in decline creating a great inner city rivalry. The Big East would jump at the chance to add another team from one of its largest TV markets and with Gates as Depaul's new coach the excitement in Chicago would be enormous.
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Whoa!
http://www.ramblermania.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=3103&start=170#p38828
Would the Big East want two teams from the same city in the conference?
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Would the Big East want two teams from the same city in the conference?
I know Seton Hall isn't in New York but I mean come on, they're like the same distance to St Johns as DePaul's loop campus to Loyola's Rogers Park campus.
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As mentioned we simply are the better program and should outbid them.
And the fact he flat out turned down advancing through the process with Minny tells me he has something clearly better in mind, which at this point would be us.
I got no insider knowledge but it just feels like with the way the whole process has went we are his top choice and hes one of ours
I would feel better if FSU was knocked out and Hamilton announced he was coming back.
My tinfoil hat is Hamilton told Gates he’s retiring so hold off on other jobs. But then he wouldn’t need Goodman leaking his name.
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I would feel better if FSU was knocked out and Hamilton announced he was coming back.
My tinfoil hat is Hamilton told Gates he’s retiring so hold off on other jobs. But then he wouldn’t need Goodman leaking his name.
Didn't Hamilton just recently sign an extension??
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Would Depaul object if they replaced Marquette. Just think about it. A program on the rise replacing a program in decline creating a great inner city rivalry. The Big East would jump at the chance to add another team from one of its largest TV markets and with Gates as Depaul's new coach the excitement in Chicago would be enormous.
1. I'd guess 95 percent of Chicago sports fans have never heard of Dennis Gates, and won't be overcome with excitement by the hiring of some guy from Cleveland State.
2. Whatever tiny gains Loyola would bring would be easily outweighed by the losses of having to share another slice of the revenue pie with a new member.
3. Fox and the Big East likely aren't eager to add another program, but if they did, it would be to bring in a new market (St. Louis, Dayton) not just double down on an existing one.
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Didn't Hamilton just recently sign an extension??
Looks like he signed a 5 year extension 3 weeks ago. Please excuse my paranoia and return to your discussion.
Thanks for pointing out!
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Why not Depaul. He's a Chicago guy, no? Especially if they can outbid us.
Because even he knows it's DePaul.
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Because even he knows it's DePaul.
Because he is a Chicago guy from the Majerus tree and he knows how utterly incompetent DePaul has been for 30 years.....
That is a huge issue.....
He turned down St. Johns last year because of the NYC location and their long time scaring of the program.....(at almost double the $$)
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1. I'd guess 95 percent of Chicago sports fans have never heard of Dennis Gates, and won't be overcome with excitement by the hiring of some guy from Cleveland State.
2. Whatever tiny gains Loyola would bring would be easily outweighed by the losses of having to share another slice of the revenue pie with a new member.
3. Fox and the Big East likely aren't eager to add another program, but if they did, it would be to bring in a new market (St. Louis, Dayton) not just double down on an existing one.
The Big East wouldn't be adding a member just replacing an up and coming program with a dynamic coach with one in decline in a marginal TV market.
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I posted this in another one of the five dozen threads on the topic, but here's what I said yesterday about Dennis Gates. Any of Porter Moser, Shaka Smart, or Dennis Gates I'd be thrilled with, but my Gates interest has increased considerably.
The more you read and hear about Dennis Gates, the harder it is to not be impressed by the guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoNOVmOCu8w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyF7wDPlZVE
https://theundefeated.com/features/dennis-gates-bet-on-himself-and-brought-cleveland-state-back-to-the-ncaa-tournament/
First two are brief videos about his time at Florida State, the third is a recent Undefeated article about his time at Cleveland State.
Telling that Jonathan Isaac, CJ Walker, and other stars at Florida State mention that he's the main reason they committed to FSU: he was "the big brother they didn't have". Leonard Hamilton said he's the most well-prepared coach he's ever worked with. I get that these things are meant to be puff pieces, but you listen to the guy and it's hard to argue with it. His guys genuinely love him, he was one of the heads of the Leadership Committee at Florida State, and he's shown he has legit head coaching chops. That and the fact he has Chicago/Whitney Young roots, played at Cal so has West Coast ties, and thrived at Florida State so has Southeast ties, it's no surprise he has such a sterling reputation as a dynamite recruiter.
I have had pause on Gates because it seems like quasi-Wojo 2.0 with slightly more experience: a long-time assistant under a phenomenal coach who is regarded as an incredible recruiter. And I have always preferred Beilein (sounds like that's not happening) or Shaka. But the more I learn about Dennis Gates the more and more excited I'd be if he got the job here. Certainly not as flashy as Shaka, who I think I still want as a Plan A, but I think Gates could be an incredible hire for Marquette if that's the route they go.
Whether it's at Marquette, or at the next high major spot he'd end up at, I don't see a scenario where Dennis Gates isn't a really successful head coach. I'm a huge fan.
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1. I'd guess 95 percent of Chicago sports fans have never heard of Dennis Gates, and won't be overcome with excitement by the hiring of some guy from Cleveland State.
2. Whatever tiny gains Loyola would bring would be easily outweighed by the losses of having to share another slice of the revenue pie with a new member.
3. Fox and the Big East likely aren't eager to add another program, but if they did, it would be to bring in a new market (St. Louis, Dayton) not just double down on an existing one.
Fox and the Big East wouldn't really be faulted for thinking that Loyola will bring a new market given that DePaul brings nothing.
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The Big East wouldn't be adding a member just replacing an up and coming program with a dynamic coach with one in decline in a marginal TV market.
Gotcha.
The Big East is going to kick out a founding member with a storied basketball history, state-of-the-art 19,000-seat arena and rabid fanbase so they can add a second team which draws about 3,330 fans per game, gets little media attention in its home town when it's not on a tourney run, and plays in an existing market.
Makes perfect sense, now that I think about it.
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And it's already been responded to in a better way than I would've said, but for the "what if he leaves to take Leonard Hamilton's job?" crowd: I had those exact fears about Wojo and Duke, and 7 years and mountains of disappointment later he's gone to unemployment.
If Dennis Gates is so successful here that Leonard Hamilton wants him to be his heir apparent, then we made a terrific hire. I don't immediately assume he'd jump ship to go back to FSU if he's built something special at Marquette, since his Chicago roots and ties to this area are such a huge part of his life.
If Porter Moser wants to interview at Marquette and Shaka Smart wants to interview at Marquette, with genuine interest and not a leverage play (Moser), then by all means wait for them. But if that costs us a guy like Dennis Gates, who then goes to a DePaul, that would be a bummer. Because I think he is going to be a star.
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Whoa!
http://www.ramblermania.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=3103&start=170#p38828
Is it bad I had no idea Loyola had fan message boards?
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Gotcha.
The Big East is going to kick out a founding member with a storied basketball history, state-of-the-art 19,000-seat arena and rabid fanbase so they can add a second team which draws about 3,330 fans per game, gets little media attention in its home town when it's not on a tourney run, and plays in an existing market.
Makes perfect sense, now that I think about it.
Not sure I would describe DePaul’s fan base as “rabid”. They seem close to non-existent. Not too many people care about DePaul in Chicago. It was great back in the Mark Aguirre days, but that was a long, long time ago
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When you compare Gates’s resume to Moser’s it’s not even close. Gates only has a two year track record. That said if it’s Gates I’d support him, but he’s a big gamble.
Absolutely a big gamble, but he gives the appearance of having a high upside.
I think TAMU described him best as "high risk, high reward."
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Not sure I would describe DePaul’s fan base as “rabid”. They seem close to non-existent. Not too many people care about DePaul in Chicago. It was great back in the Mark Aguirre days, but that was a long, long time ago
I think he’s talking about MU.
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If reports are to be believed Kenny Payne is the front runner for Depaul.
Indiana is going for a big name with Moser possibly in the mix.
I don't know who or what options Gates has that is a step up other than us at the moment.
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Gotcha.
The Big East is going to kick out a founding member with a storied basketball history, state-of-the-art 19,000-seat arena and rabid fanbase so they can add a second team which draws about 3,330 fans per game, gets little media attention in its home town when it's not on a tourney run, and plays in an existing market.
Makes perfect sense, now that I think about it.
Wow! I really got you guys going. Did I really need the teal.
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And it's already been responded to in a better way than I would've said, but for the "what if he leaves to take Leonard Hamilton's job?" crowd: I had those exact fears about Wojo and Duke, and 7 years and mountains of disappointment later he's gone to unemployment.
If Dennis Gates is so successful here that Leonard Hamilton wants him to be his heir apparent, then we made a terrific hire. I don't immediately assume he'd jump ship to go back to FSU if he's built something special at Marquette, since his Chicago roots and ties to this area are such a huge part of his life.
If Porter Moser wants to interview at Marquette and Shaka Smart wants to interview at Marquette, with genuine interest and not a leverage play (Moser), then by all means wait for them. But if that costs us a guy like Dennis Gates, who then goes to a DePaul, that would be a bummer. Because I think he is going to be a star.
This
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Loyola, in present form, is not getting invited to the Big East. Their arena is too small, they are - at present - unable to spend as much as their Big East counterparts and - unfortunately - the Chicago market (between DePaul and Loyola combined) do not consistently crack over 10k. Now, things can change. I would love nothing more as a Chicagoan, a Jesuit graduate (of multiple schools) and hoops fan. Moser has built something really special and has transformed Loyola into one of the top mid-major programs in the country (not unlike Marshall did at Wichita State).
I don't see a NE-based league doubling-up in Chicago, with two programs that struggle to get high attendance figures. If Loyola was like Creighton or Dayton, I could see it.
Loyola can (and should) be considered for the A10 or AAC. They would be outstanding fits in either of those conferences (more so the A10). If the A10 could replace Loyola with Fordham, they would do so in a heartbeat.
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I know Seton Hall isn't in New York but I mean come on, they're like the same distance to St Johns as DePaul's loop campus to Loyola's Rogers Park campus.
Well, there really isn't a rivalry between DePaul and Loyola considering the last time they played each other was in 2012. DePaul really doesn't have much of a rivalry with anybody since they've sucked for so long.
And as someone else posted, if the Big East were to add another team it would make more sense to add a new market.
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Absolutely a big gamble, but he gives the appearance of having a high upside.
I think TAMU described him best as "high risk, high reward."
How is he a "big gamble?" Is he a bigger gamble than KO, Crean, and Steve? They all were outsiders with no head coaching experience, whereas Gates has his two years at Cleveland St.
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I believe Gates will be the next coach.
He checks all the boxes with the exception of a lengthy tenure as a head coach. But he is a head coach, not an assistant.
-Former college player and was from Chicago
-Grad Assistant at MU, yes only a year but he was there.
-Assistant at FSU for 10 years. Learned under Hamilton at a big school which had numerous NCAA Tournament appearances. Was the lead recruiter at FSU, so he checks the box of having ties with the AAU circuits. He probably knew Carton, Garcia and Lewis from the AAU circuit scene and they know him. You can google his former FSU players and see what they said about him ,especially some NBA players.
-Head coach experience. Some will guess on that experience, but he was Coach of the Year and his players really like him.
-No baggage.
-Afro American Coach
-Gates is I believe 41, so he is younger than the other candidates being discussed. I saw it with Boynton at Oklahoma State and how the players were reacting with him. It was just different and they actually looked like they were having fun.
- No players have left yet and no recruits have decommitted subsequent to Wojo leaving. Maybe Scholl told them all, "Listen guys, its going to take a few weeks, but you guys are really going to like our new coach, so just hold on and see".
Whether he hinted at whom that may be, no one here will know.
-Scholl said he was looking for a current/former head coach, with no baggage and that diversity was going the play a role in the hiring process. All the Scholl boxes checked off. Now, if granted an interview and he bombs, that's another story.
Hope I am right, seems like a nice fit. But when the new coach is hired, no one will be statisfied.
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Did he actually say that? What does diversity mean? So if Gates and Moser both want the job and all the boxes are checked it comes down to this?
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Did he actually say that? What does diversity mean? So if Gates and Moser both want the job and all the boxes are checked it comes down to this?
Watch the video or go to one of the threads, can't recall which one, but yes.
What is diversity, well that is including persons of color in the consideration of hiring.
I have no idea what Scholl would do if it came down to a white candidate or an Afro American candidate. Thats another topic of discussion and has been addressed here.
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Did he actually say that? What does diversity mean? So if Gates and Moser both want the job and all the boxes are checked it comes down to this?
No, it will come down to who has the best PowerPoint presentation.
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Did he actually say that? What does diversity mean? So if Gates and Moser both want the job and all the boxes are checked it comes down to this?
I don't know what it means to him, but here's how I describe it to anyone who comes to work for me and why it's important.
Diversity isn't just about race or gender, it's about age, background, and experiences. I want as diverse a work environment as possible because the more varied experiences we have, the more likely it is that at least one of us will be able to relate to the people we serve on a daily basis and the broader the opinions the more likely it is someone will be able to come up with ideas and solutions others may not think of.
When I think Wojo's staff, I think part of the problem is that more and more, he surrounded himself with people that he had groomed, which means they were just going to give him the same ideas he had passed onto them. His first staff had Mark Phelps, who had the head coaching experience Steve didn't, but when that left, it was replaced with a young recruiter. I liked the staff where he had Brett Nelson, Stan Johnson, and Dwayne Killings because it was three guys from different parts of the country and vastly different backgrounds, but the problem was there still wasn't an experienced head in there (like Wainwright with Buzz, Orr with Ewing, Martelli with Juwan Howard, etc).
And when those staff members started to leave, instead of bringing in people who had different backgrounds, Wojo just promoted his own guys. Presutti was promoted and had been there from the start, so his coaching acumen was going to largely mirror Wojo's. Gainey left for a couple years, but was another that Wojo brought up and would likely mostly mirror what Wojo was doing.
I hope our new coach, whoever it is, has a variety of experience, recruiting territories, and backgrounds. It's likely to lead to a stronger staff and team because everyone can bring in more ideas. I often wonder if that's a big part of why so many Duke assistants fail, because they simply don't have more tools in the toolbox than how to win with 5-stars.
EDIT: Also, if Wojo was just going to fill Killings' spot with someone like Danny Mads, who has also been there his entire tenure, that may not have gone over well with Scholl.
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Did he actually say that? What does diversity mean? So if Gates and Moser both want the job and all the boxes are checked it comes down to this?
Man. You really get triggered by any mention of diversity/race
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Man. You really get triggered by any mention of diversity/race
I only bring it up because if an interviewed candidate did not get the job they could claim discrimination based on what the AD said publicly that diversity/race by your definition was a consideration in the hiring process. My take is that he should have said nothing about diversity and left it at that. I appreciate Brews perspective on the subject.
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Did he actually say that? What does diversity mean? So if Gates and Moser both want the job and all the boxes are checked it comes down to this?
Diversity isn't only about a person's ethnicity.
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Diversity isn't only about a person's ethnicity.
Did I say anything about ethnicity?
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I only bring it up because if an interviewed candidate did not get the job they could claim discrimination based on what the AD said publicly that diversity/race by your definition was a consideration in the hiring process. My take is that he should have said nothing about diversity and left it at that. I appreciate Brews perspective on the subject.
what? no.
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How is he a "big gamble?" Is he a bigger gamble than KO, Crean, and Steve? They all were outsiders with no head coaching experience, whereas Gates has his two years at Cleveland St.
Bigger than KO, Crean or Wojo? No.
He is a big gamble because he has limited head coaching experience. KO, Crean and Steve were HUGE gambles.
Most every new hire is a big gamble, unless you're a UK or UNC hiring a guy like Cal or Roy.
For MU, I think least risky of the plausibly available candidates is Moser. Even he is a moderate gamble, but IMO less risky than Gates or Smith.
For what it's worth, I still think Gates is worth the gamble because his potential upside seems so great.
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Did I say anything about ethnicity?
Or their race.
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I would like a hire like Belein but its not happening. I actually think Shaka could really rebound here. But also, not happening.
Ultimately I think its Gates or Moser. No insider info but I think its one of these two.
From a coaching stand point I think Moser is clearly the safer bet. Hes absolutely proven as a coach.
I do think Gates background and age will make him a better recruiter(potentially a very good one). But could run the risk of proving he isnt that great of a coach and its basically Wojo again.
I'll take either of the two. Just hope we have some sort of roster next year.
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Gates resume is certainly impressive, especially for guy that's still young -- 41. But if were to have success at MU, which seems highly likely, we might be a stepping stone for him and we'd have to look for yet another head coach in just a few years. At 52, Moser would seem more likely to stay at MU for the rest of his career. He might be difficult to get though, with Indiana & their big $$$ also looking for a coach. If MU can't land Moser, Gates would be a great choice. Just hope MU & the Big East is big enough for him and he stays a long time.
Texas seems to be imploding with more players leaving today. Maybe Smart will get the ax. But MU wasn't a high profile enough job for him seven years ago. It might be now, but screw him. He's the last guy I'd want at MU.
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Gotcha.
The Big East is going to kick out a founding member with a storied basketball history, state-of-the-art 19,000-seat arena and rabid fanbase so they can add a second team which draws about 3,330 fans per game, gets little media attention in its home town when it's not on a tourney run, and plays in an existing market.
Makes perfect sense, now that I think about it.
I do not know why the Big East would kick anybody out, or why it would want to. I posted this on another board.
I have said before that if the Big East expands, Loyola could be a candidate. I do not know if it will happen soon. DePaul is down and Loyola is up, which is the wrong time from DePaul's point of view to be adding a team. Loyola's home arena still only seats about 4-6.000. If they were to join, they could play some of their games on campus like Nova or SJU and some elsewhere, but oddly enough, the logical place for them to play them would be DePaul's WinTrust arena, which is about 4-5 miles further from Loyola than it is from DePaul.
Chicago is big enough that it could support two Big East teams. Actually, SJU, Seton Hall, and UConn pretty much share the same media market, and one of the advantages of returning for UConn was the ability to snag a deal with the NYC-based cable network.
When the conference reorganized, SLU was one of the hot names and was apparently considered before Creighton stepped in and stole thier spot. The view of the other schools was that SLU had just not stepped up their program to the same level as the others. Dayton would be another obvious choice, but they are right near Xavier and it does not appear that Xavier wants them. It does seem that with UConn back, it makes sense to round out the conference with a twelfth team. UConn's addition puts six teams on the East Coast and five in the MIdwest. Adding another in the Midwest would even that out. It would immediately restore rivalries with DePaul and Marquette, and traveling into Chicago from the East Coast is relatively easy. Actually, adding another team in the metro area can work to the benefit of the nearby teams. It is sort of like all those fast food places lumped together or all the bridal stores on MItchell Street. That becomes the place you go to find what you need. Two schools in Chicago plus Marquette and Butler relatively easy driving distance makes the Big East an attractive location for Chicago area or really Midwest area players. Assuming that it could afford the step up for all of its programs, not just men's basketball, it would be a no-brainer for Loyola. Of course it means competing with Loyola for recruits, but if they continue to improve, teams are going to have to do that anyway.
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I would like a hire like Belein but its not happening. I actually think Shaka could really rebound here. But also, not happening.
I didn't think so at the beginning but I'm beginning to believe that it could happen. Moser has definitely helped his stock this week.
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Gates resume is certainly impressive, especially for guy that's still young -- 41. But if were to have success at MU, which seems highly likely, we might be a stepping stone for him and we'd have to look for yet another head coach in just a few years. At 52, Moser would seem more likely to stay at MU for the rest of his career. He might be difficult to get though, with Indiana & their big $$$ also looking for a coach. If MU can't land Moser, Gates would be a great choice. Just hope MU & the Big East is big enough for him and he stays a long time.
Texas seems to be imploding with more players leaving today. Maybe Smart will get the ax. But MU wasn't a high profile enough job for him seven years ago. It might be now, but screw him. He's the last guy I'd want at MU.
I hear you, but I wouldn’t worry ‘bout down the road a few. This has got to get turned around now. The future of 5, 6 years will work it’s way out.
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Man. You really get triggered by any mention of diversity/race
Pot meet kettle
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I'm not in the know but am hearing they completed 4 interviews and that Smart and Moser stood out. If it's Shaka we'll likely hear very soon.
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Pot meet kettle
Source?
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Have also heard more chatter that Shaka to Marquette could very well be happening.
Certainly not #DoneDeal 'ing myself but given the source I'm inclined to believe it has legs.
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I'm not in the know but am hearing they completed 4 interviews and that Smart and Moser stood out. If it's Shaka we'll likely hear very soon.
Thanks for the heads up. Can Moser actually interview at this point?
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I hear you, but I wouldn’t worry ‘bout down the road a few. This has got to get turned around now. The future of 5, 6 years will work it’s way out.
After the last seven years, I have fond, sentimental memories of a time when we worried that another program would come and hire our coach away. Obviously, I don't want that. But I fear it's a fact of life at Marquette; if we do well, there will always be talk of someone poaching our coach. We can all dream of our very own Mark Few...and maybe there's one out there for us...but I really don't think our hiring strategy should be to focus on finding a unicorn. Hire the best coach available who fits into Marquette's culture. Period.
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Have also heard more chatter that Shaka to Marquette could very well be happening.
Certainly not #DoneDeal 'ing myself but given the source I'm inclined to believe it has legs.
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Have also heard more chatter that Shaka to Marquette could very well be happening.
Certainly not #DoneDeal 'ing myself but given the source I'm inclined to believe it has legs.
Ugh
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Thanks for the heads up. Can Moser actually interview at this point?
Loyola would have had to give him permission. And they may have been OK with something virtual.
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Thanks for the heads up. Can Moser actually interview at this point?
I'm honestly not sure. I would think Brewcity is the guy that knows but three people have told me that Smith and Gates had so-so interviews.
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A source I trust says MU has already been in contact with the agents of Gates and Moser. He says Gates is our top candidate.
PhillyCoach?
No Previgen needed for you yet.
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I didn't think so at the beginning but I'm beginning to believe that it could happen. Moser has definitely helped his stock this week.
You quoted my part about Belien and Shaka. But then in your post only mentioned Moser.
Who are you beginning to believe could happen??
If it's Shaka, I guess it would go along with these recent comments.
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I'm honestly not sure. I would think Brewcity is the guy that knows but three people have told me that Smith and Gates had so-so interviews.
Also heard those were the four interviews and Shaka and Porter stood out.
But that stuns me to hear that Gates would have a so-so interview, he seems like a guy that would absolutely thrive in an interview setting.
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Have also heard more chatter that Shaka to Marquette could very well be happening.
Certainly not #DoneDeal 'ing myself but given the source I'm inclined to believe it has legs.
Good to know. Thanks for the update onepost. My source is bbq. No wait, that's a sauce
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Also heard those were the four interviews and Shaka and Porter stood out.
But that stuns me to hear that Gates would have a so-so interview, he seems like a guy that would absolutely thrive in an interview setting.
Agreed, I have a hard time believing Gates would not nail an interview
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Agreed, I have a hard time believing Gates would not nail an interview
I guess in relation to the other guys, he’s probably had less head coach interviews. He does seem very impressive.
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It might not be that he didn't "nail" the interview. Maybe he has different philosophies about how to build a program. (Used a number of Jucos at CSU for example.)
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Thanks for passing along the info onepost and Mugsy.
If Smart and Moser are the top 2, give me Shaka.
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I only bring it up because if an interviewed candidate did not get the job they could claim discrimination based on what the AD said publicly that diversity/race by your definition was a consideration in the hiring process. My take is that he should have said nothing about diversity and left it at that. I appreciate Brews perspective on the subject.
So, your biggest concern is that a black guy is gonna game the system. Wow.
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I only bring it up because if an interviewed candidate did not get the job they could claim discrimination based on what the AD said publicly that diversity/race by your definition was a consideration in the hiring process. My take is that he should have said nothing about diversity and left it at that. I appreciate Brews perspective on the subject.
He didn't say "race." He said "diversity."
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Also heard those were the four interviews and Shaka and Porter stood out.
But that stuns me to hear that Gates would have a so-so interview, he seems like a guy that would absolutely thrive in an interview setting.
I’d hate to doubt what you heard, but in this scenario Shaka and Porter would have to get permission to interview right?
Unless I missed that Shaka was fired? I think it would be strange for Texas to not fire him but let him interview at Marquette, unless they are hoping MU selects him and eats up some of the buyout?
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I’d hate to doubt what you heard, but in this scenario Shaka and Porter would have to get permission to interview right?
Unless I missed that Shaka was fired? I think it would be strange for Texas to not fire him but let him interview at Marquette, unless they are hoping MU selects him and eats up some of the buyout?
Or they want to fire him but can save his buyout by waiving it.
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Thanks for passing along the info onepost and Mugsy.
If Smart and Moser are the top 2, give me Shaka.
I am with you. I know the shine has left a bit on Shaka (maybe because no longer a shaved head to shine off of?), but I see him thriving at Marquette and being here for a long time. Shame he didn't come here when we had a void at AD as I thought he was the right guy then (but fully understand why one wouldn't). Willing to eat these words in 5-7 years if I am wrong.
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If Porter advances to the Final Four, does MU wait another week and potentially lose other candidates? Feels like it's Moser if Loyola's run ends this weekend and Shaka if it goes any longer.
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I’d hate to doubt what you heard, but in this scenario Shaka and Porter would have to get permission to interview right?
Unless I missed that Shaka was fired? I think it would be strange for Texas to not fire him but let him interview at Marquette, unless they are hoping MU selects him and eats up some of the buyout?
I don't think Shaka is in the mix.
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I wouldn't necessarily say that Shaka's timeline is any quicker than Moser's. He is likely in a game of chicken with Texas at the moment. He may want to get fired so he can pocket a cool 7 mil before taking his next gig. Texas I'm sure would rather have him find a soft landing spot ala little Ricky at New Mexico. The longer Shaka waits, the bigger risk that we (or other suitors) will move on. The longer Texas waits, the bigger risk that they will have to do a late coaching search and start their rebuild behind the eight ball. Who will blink first?
FWIW, firing a coach that just won the B12 and got a three seed in the dance is crazy to me. But if any school is rich enough and arrogant enough to do it, it's Texas.
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I wouldn't necessarily say that Shaka's timeline is any quicker than Moser's. He is likely in a game of chicken with Texas at the moment. He may want to get fired so he can pocket a cool 7 mil before taking his next gig. Texas I'm sure would rather have him find a soft landing spot ala little Ricky at New Mexico. The longer Shaka waits, the bigger risk that we (or other suitors) will move on. The longer Texas waits, the bigger risk that they will have to do a late coaching search and start their rebuild behind the eight ball. Who will blink first?
FWIW, firing a coach that just won the B12 and got a three seed in the dance is crazy to me. But if any school is rich enough and arrogant enough to do it, it's Texas.
100% agree on all of this.
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Thanks for the heads up. Can Moser actually interview at this point?
Of course. He'd just need Loyola's permission. Same with Shaka, who is still employed by Texas.
Assuming the info on Shaka interviewing is true, it makes absolute sense for Texas to wait to see what MU does. They could reduce or eliminate the buyout for MU taking him off their hands; that would be millions they would have to spend on their next coach, who could have a large buyout of his own.
I wouldn't necessarily say that Shaka's timeline is any quicker than Moser's. He is likely in a game of chicken with Texas at the moment. He may want to get fired so he can pocket a cool 7 mil before taking his next gig. Texas I'm sure would rather have him find a soft landing spot ala little Ricky at New Mexico. The longer Shaka waits, the bigger risk that we (or other suitors) will move on. The longer Texas waits, the bigger risk that they will have to do a late coaching search and start their rebuild behind the eight ball. Who will blink first?
FWIW, firing a coach that just won the B12 and got a three seed in the dance is crazy to me. But if any school is rich enough and arrogant enough to do it, it's Texas.
I don't think Texas would be behind the 8-ball too much. They will be going after a more accomplished coach than most schools with openings. They might target Beard or even Buzz. They have the $$$ to pay that buyout, and the name recognition to have that coach be interested. Or even Beilein. And IIRC, they don't have to convince their top players to stay, like Marquette does; their guys are seniors or are going pro.
As for your second paragraph, TAMU, didn't you talk earlier about an entire body of work? Maybe Texas looks at sub-.500 career B12 record, 4 losing conference records in 6 seasons, zero NCAAT wins in 6 seasons, all capped by a humiliating loss to a vastly inferior team, and says, "It's time."
I mean, if you had an opening, and unlimited $$$, and you were given the choice today between Smart and Beard, who would you hire?
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Of course. He'd just need Loyola's permission. Same with Shaka, who is still employed by Texas.
Assuming the info on Shaka interviewing is true, it makes absolute sense for Texas to wait to see what MU does. They could reduce or eliminate the buyout for MU taking him off their hands; that would be millions they would have to spend on their next coach, who could have a large buyout of his own.
I don't think Texas would be behind the 8-ball too much. They will be going after a more accomplished coach than most schools with openings. They might target Beard or even Buzz. They have the $$$ to pay that buyout, and the name recognition to have that coach be interested. Or even Beilein. And IIRC, they don't have to convince their top players to stay, like Marquette does; their guys are seniors or are going pro.
As for your second paragraph, TAMU, didn't you talk earlier about an entire body of work? Maybe Texas looks at sub-.500 career B12 record, 4 losing conference records in 6 seasons, zero NCAAT wins in 6 seasons, all capped by a humiliating loss to a vastly inferior team, and says, "It's time."
I mean, if you had an opening, and unlimited $$$, and you were given the choice today between Smart and Beard, who would you hire?
Texas does not give a rip about cash flow. They have piles that they routinely light on fire and their donors also have very deep pockets and aren't afraid to help out.
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Texas does not give a rip about cash flow. They have piles that they routinely light on fire and their donors also have very deep pockets and aren't afraid to help out.
Exactly. That's what I'm saying.
Even the big Shaka fans here ... if they had a choice between Smart and Beard, would they honestly take Shaka?
Texas very well might have that choice. They might already have reached out to Beard or Beilein or some other coach who has won an NCAAT game in the last 8 years and who didn't just lose to Abilene Christian.
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Exactly. That's what I'm saying.
Even the big Shaka fans here ... if they had a choice between Smart and Beard, would they honestly take Shaka?
Texas very well might have that choice. They might already have reached out to Beard or Beilein or some other coach who has won an NCAAT game in the last 8 years and who didn't just lose to Abilene Christian.
*fart noise* Tony Bennet lost to UMBC and kept his job. Sometimes your team is just bad for a game, or gets caught with their pants down.
Texas is such a strange place. They won't be happy unless they're in the E8 every year. And not even fans at blue bloods expect that sort of thing. They're a bunch of unrealistic dipsticks that thinks money can buy them wins. If they want wins, they should be banging down Mr. Pitino's door. He is a perfect fit for those ten-gallon hat wearing nutcases.
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*fart noise* Tony Bennet lost to UMBC and kept his job. Sometimes your team is just bad for a game, or gets caught with their pants down.
Texas is such a strange place. They won't be happy unless they're in the E8 every year. And not even fans at blue bloods expect that sort of thing. They're a bunch of unrealistic dipsticks that thinks money can buy them wins. If they want wins, they should be banging down Mr. Pitino's door. He is a perfect fit for those ten-gallon hat wearing nutcases.
Right. But this is why you try to steal their coach in one of those instances.
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I would think the discussion is more nuanced than 7 million or 0 if Shaka is indeed an option. If he's got 2 years at 3.5 sort of guaranteed with a 7 mill buyout today, the math for marquette is difficult. Shaka could stay and get paid for the next year at least, wait and get fired and and pocket 7M (then wait out a season for another opening since there's probably some claw back in there) or if he does jump now, at what price. Are the donors willing to do a 17-20M contract for 5 years otherwise it might not make sense for him to ask out. On the other hand, if Texas settles and gives him 2-3M no strings attached, that might be more palatable for everyone.
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Has MU ever hired a coach that was just fired by another school? Seems kind of like a low standard to me.
I don’t know if you can beat the resources and talent area than Texas.
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I don't think Texas would be behind the 8-ball too much. They will be going after a more accomplished coach than most schools with openings. They might target Beard or even Buzz. They have the $$$ to pay that buyout, and the name recognition to have that coach be interested. Or even Beilein. And IIRC, they don't have to convince their top players to stay, like Marquette does; their guys are seniors or are going pro.
What is, "Things Texas thought when firing Rick Barnes"?
As for your second paragraph, TAMU, didn't you talk earlier about an entire body of work? Maybe Texas looks at sub-.500 career B12 record, 4 losing conference records in 6 seasons, zero NCAAT wins in 6 seasons, all capped by a humiliating loss to a vastly inferior team, and says, "It's time."
If a Big 12 championship and a 3 seed wasn't enough to earn him another year, they should have fired him last season. Shaka had a very good year this year despite the first round exit.
I mean, if you had an opening, and unlimited $$$, and you were given the choice today between Smart and Beard, who would you hire?
Oh Beard no question (assuming no hidden skeletons). I just don't see him leaving Tech. I could certainly be wrong, but the new world order seems to be that once you get a P6 job, you stay there if you're happy. There will be exceptions like Buzz or when a Blue blood comes open, but I don't think we will see a lot of P6 schools poaching coaches from other P6 schools unless the coach is running from their current job (like Shaka would be doing).
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Has MU ever hired a coach that was just fired by another school? Seems kind of like a low standard to me.
I don’t know if you can beat the resources and talent area than Texas.
But they have unrealistic expectations.
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Texas is such a strange place. They won't be happy unless they're in the E8 every year. And not even fans at blue bloods expect that sort of thing. They're a bunch of unrealistic dipsticks that thinks money can buy them wins. If they want wins, they should be banging down Mr. Pitino's door. He is a perfect fit for those ten-gallon hat wearing nutcases.
I generally find blanket statements about 50 plus million people hard to believe.
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TAMU, would you say that despite their resources, Texas is a difficult place to win?
Since around 2005, they seem to be trying to recapture their magic. I think a favorite meme of mine is the “Is Texas back?” whenever they have a small amount of success. They’ve seemingly have had good coaches go there and struggle in both football and basketball.
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I generally find blanket statements about 50 plus million people hard to believe.
Their boosters and alumni. Not the whole state.
I thought that was obvious, sorry.
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Also heard those were the four interviews and Shaka and Porter stood out.
But that stuns me to hear that Gates would have a so-so interview, he seems like a guy that would absolutely thrive in an interview setting.
So you really think Porter interviewed? There is so much BS flying around its not funny.
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https://twitter.com/RumorsCoach/status/1374809718229729285 (https://twitter.com/RumorsCoach/status/1374809718229729285)
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For those not willing to click:
Shaka to MU
Cal to UT
Beard to UK
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https://twitter.com/RumorsCoach/status/1374809718229729285 (https://twitter.com/RumorsCoach/status/1374809718229729285)
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For those not willing to click:
Shaka to MU
Cal to UT
Beard to UK
That would be wild. I don’t know why Cal would go to Texas and Texas not just hire Beard.
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That would be wild. I don’t know why Cal would go to Texas and Texas not just hire Beard.
No idea, but I love how bizarre the above situation is.
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https://twitter.com/RumorsCoach/status/1374809718229729285 (https://twitter.com/RumorsCoach/status/1374809718229729285)
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For those not willing to click:
Shaka to MU
Cal to UT
Beard to UK
I feel like we're getting the short end of the stick here
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Why on earth would Cal leave Kentucky for Texas? ayiyiyi
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So you really think Porter interviewed? There is so much BS flying around its not funny.
Why not? If Loyola wants to keep a happy working relationship and you know he'll interview after the season ends, why not let him expedite the process? In addition, it sounds like things are very boring in Indy, so there's plenty of time to get in a Zoom.
If he gets the job, LUC can start making arrangements for where they go next, if he doesn't, they keep him happy by letting him take his shot. As an employer, not much downside to letting him interview now as opposed to 2 weeks from now.
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TAMU, would you say that despite their resources, Texas is a difficult place to win?
Since around 2005, they seem to be trying to recapture their magic. I think a favorite meme of mine is the “Is Texas back?” whenever they have a small amount of success. They’ve seemingly have had good coaches go there and struggle in both football and basketball.
I think there are a couple of things working against Texas in basketball. There is this image that the largest public university in Texas is going to be a natural school to consider for the best players in Texas - kind of like UW-Madison in Wisconsin. But that's not the case. A lot of people in Texas have no connection to UT and Austin is just as far away as Oklahoma...or Houston... So I don't think it is necessarily a natural fit for instate talent.
And its not as though they have a long and deep tradition. The Final Four they went to in 2003 was their first since the 1940s. It's just not a school has generated a lot of basketball success. Finally, it isn't the most diverse place in the world.
I would suggest that Shaka's struggles at Texas, and Rick Barnes success at Tennessee, says a lot more about how good of a coach that Rick Barnes really is.
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I think there are a couple of things working against Texas in basketball. There is this image that the largest public university in Texas is going to be a natural school to consider for the best players in Texas - kind of like UW-Madison in Wisconsin. But that's not the case. A lot of people in Texas have no connection to UT and Austin is just as far away as Oklahoma...or Houston... So I don't think it is necessarily a natural fit for instate talent.
And its not as though they have a long and deep tradition. The Final Four they went to in 2003 was their first since the 1940s. It's just not a school has generated a lot of basketball success. Finally, it isn't the most diverse place in the world.
I would suggest that Shaka's struggles at Texas, and Rick Barnes success at Tennessee, says a lot more about how good of a coach that Rick Barnes really is.
If the standard is Final Fours and titles, then yeah, Texas is a hard place to win. So is nearly everywhere else.
On the other hand, Barnes wasn't the first to have a fair amount of success there. Tom Penders took over a moribund program and got into the tournament eight times in 10 seasons. They won at least one game is seven of those eight appearances and got to one Sweet 16 and one Elite 8.
Maybe that wouldn't be good enough for UT today, but it's much better than Shaka has done.
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I think there are a couple of things working against Texas in basketball. There is this image that the largest public university in Texas is going to be a natural school to consider for the best players in Texas - kind of like UW-Madison in Wisconsin. But that's not the case. A lot of people in Texas have no connection to UT and Austin is just as far away as Oklahoma...or Houston... So I don't think it is necessarily a natural fit for instate talent.
And its not as though they have a long and deep tradition. The Final Four they went to in 2003 was their first since the 1940s. It's just not a school has generated a lot of basketball success. Finally, it isn't the most diverse place in the world.
I would suggest that Shaka's struggles at Texas, and Rick Barnes success at Tennessee, says a lot more about how good of a coach that Rick Barnes really is.
Austin Texas: 49% White 51% Non-White
Milwaukee County Wisconsin: 57% White 43% Non-White
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Austin Texas: 49% White 51% Non-White
Milwaukee County Wisconsin: 57% White 43% Non-White
You're comparing a county to a city... that's not exactly a fair comparison. I don't know what that'll change but for intellectual honesty purposes you should do city v city
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Shaka to MU
Cal to UT
Beard to UK
Wojo to Texas Tech?
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Austin Texas: 49% White 51% Non-White
Milwaukee County Wisconsin: 57% White 43% Non-White
Austin, TX 8% black
Milwaukee, WI 38% black
Not sure this is very relevant.
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Austin, TX 8% black
Milwaukee, WI 38% black
Not sure this is very relevant.
Milwaukee:
Black or African American (Non-Hispanic) (37.6%), White (Non-Hispanic) (34.5%), Other (Hispanic) (9.72%), White (Hispanic) (8.67%), and Asian (Non-Hispanic) (4.25%).
Austin:
White (Non-Hispanic) (48.8%), White (Hispanic) (22%), Other (Hispanic) (8.21%), Black or African American (Non-Hispanic) (8.13%), and Asian (Non-Hispanic) (7.59%).
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You're comparing a county to a city... that's not exactly a fair comparison. I don't know what that'll change but for intellectual honesty purposes you should do city v city
Austin is in Travis County
The 5 largest ethnic groups in Travis County, TX are White (Non-Hispanic) (48.7%), White (Hispanic) (22.6%), Other (Hispanic) (8.66%), Black or African American (Non-Hispanic) (7.92%), and Asian (Non-Hispanic) (6.81%).
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If the standard is Final Fours and titles, then yeah, Texas is a hard place to win. So is nearly everywhere else.
On the other hand, Barnes wasn't the first to have a fair amount of success there. Tom Penders took over a moribund program and got into the tournament eight times in 10 seasons. They won at least one game is seven of those eight appearances and got to one Sweet 16 and one Elite 8.
Maybe that wouldn't be good enough for UT today, but it's much better than Shaka has done.
Tom Penders' Elite 8 was over 30 years ago and he coached UT in the old Southwest Conference - which wasn't exactly a hotbed of college basketball at the time. That is a lot different than the B12 of today.
And he wasn't a bad coach. And I never said that it was IMPOSSIBLE to win there. It's just harder than people think.
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Austin, TX 8% black
Milwaukee, WI 38% black
Not sure this is very relevant.
So diverse means african american.
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So diverse means african american.
Lol
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Austin Texas: 49% White 51% Non-White
Milwaukee County Wisconsin: 57% White 43% Non-White
Wow. I'm shocked you are triggered over race....yet again.
Read up what has been happening at UT about "The Eyes of Texas" and see how an 18 year old basketball player may not feel terribly welcome at the place. And that's not new.
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So diverse means african american.
Whatever. You win. ::)
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Wow. I'm shocked you are triggered over race....yet again.
Read up what has been happening at UT about "The Eyes of Texas" and see how an 18 year old basketball player may not feel terribly welcome at the place. And that's not new.
Do all the alumni live in Travis County?
A lot of kids are made to feel unwelcomed and that is not new.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/high-school-student-berated-candace-owens-black-history-project
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Austin is in Travis County
The 5 largest ethnic groups in Travis County, TX are White (Non-Hispanic) (48.7%), White (Hispanic) (22.6%), Other (Hispanic) (8.66%), Black or African American (Non-Hispanic) (7.92%), and Asian (Non-Hispanic) (6.81%).
Seriously, can you and others give it up. Who gives a flying crap what the demographics are from Austin and other cities. I get enough of this garbage on the TV news and people actually come to this site to get away from it. You want to argue that stuff start a new thread in Superbar and go at it all you want.
Better to hear about coach vacancy and the crazy rumors now starting from various I heard froms and Twitter websites throwing stuff on the wall.
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Seriously, can you and others give it up. Who gives a flying crap what the demographics are from Austin and other cities. I get enough of this garbage on the TV news and people actually come to this site to get away from it. You want to argue that stuff start a new thread in Superbar and go at it all you want.
Better to hear about coach vacancy and the crazy rumors now starting from various I heard froms and Twitter websites throwing stuff on the wall.
I agree, but some here care a lot about diversity when only ones achievements should be considered in choosing a new coach.
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Tom Penders' Elite 8 was over 30 years ago and he coached UT in the old Southwest Conference - which wasn't exactly a hotbed of college basketball at the time. That is a lot different than the B12 of today.
And he wasn't a bad coach. And I never said that it was IMPOSSIBLE to win there. It's just harder than people think.
Fair, but I'm not sure what how long ago Penders was there or the conference affiliation has to do with his tournament success. Not like they played SWC teams to get to the Sweet 16 and Elite 8.
My point was/is that it's not that hard to win at Texas, if your definition is "get into the tournament more often than not and advance most years." Two of the last three coaches did that.
Anyhow, I'd guess it's easier to win at UT today than 30 years ago. Better conference, recent success, lots of players in the NBA, new $60 million hoops facility on the way, etc.
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I agree, but some here care a lot about diversity when only ones achievements should be considered in choosing a new coach.
No, you went to the next level discussing race. Not basketball issue, you derailed the thread.
Just stop and move on
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I agree, but some here care a lot about diversity when only ones achievements should be considered in choosing a new coach.
Actually that was NOT the context that race was brought up whatsoever. I mentioned that Austin and UT "isn't the most diverse place in the world" as a reason why basketball success might be more difficult than people think.
nyg is right. You derailed the topic because anytime race is mentioned you go off the rails.
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TAMU, would you say that despite their resources, Texas is a difficult place to win?
Since around 2005, they seem to be trying to recapture their magic. I think a favorite meme of mine is the “Is Texas back?” whenever they have a small amount of success. They’ve seemingly have had good coaches go there and struggle in both football and basketball.
I think yes and no. The boosters at Texas are richer than God and have the athletic department wrapped around their pinkies. Basketball can be popular when it is good but when it's bad or average it's maybe 5th or 6th in line on campus. And for all the talk about "keep Austin weird" there's a lot of features that I could see making intercity recruits uncomfortable. Texas has a lot of "Wal-Mart Michigan" type fans. If you live in Texas, the default school you cheer for is Texas unless you have a connection to one of the other schools. So the student body skews very liberal while the fanbase and alumni skew very conservative which make for a fascinating case study. I've heard specifically that there were more than a few major donors who took offense to the hiring of a Black northerner for the basketball program.
But seeing how Shaka abandoned havoc at Texas, I wonder if he didn't fall into the trap of only chasing high ranked recruits. Texas is college football and recruiting class rankings is a lot bigger deal than it is in college basketball. I wouldn't be surprised if there was pressure (and temptation) to always go after the top recruits. That can work if you are a player's coach like Cal or K but if your a system coach it can be a problem. Top recruits handlers are not going to let their talent play for a coach that is going to make them play 94 feet of defense. So you compromise on your system and you end up in this weird middle ground of being a system coach charadeing as players coach.
If Shaka is the pick, the key will be what he learned at Texas. If he recognizes what went wrong and is committed to make changes to improve, he could work here. If he blames everything on Texas having unreasonable expectations and thinks he can pick up right where he left off, he should be avoided.
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I agree, but some here care a lot about diversity when only ones achievements should be considered in choosing a new coach.
unnatural carnal knowledge man, just stop. Turn on Outnumbered and get back to your safe space.
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“the student body skews very liberal while the fanbase and alumni skew very conservative which make for a fascinating case study.”
Isn’t that every university in the country? Definitely not unique to UT. Regarding football being king at Texas, football is king at every school that plays it, with the exception of maybe Duke, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky. I’m sure Shaka has learned from past misjudgments...and maybe competing with football headlines was one of them. If Shaka is MU’s guy, I’d love to know what’s changed this time around for Shaka.
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@CoachingChanges:
Current most attractive jobs
1) Marquette (bar set low by Wojo, great budget)
2) Indiana (wild expectations)
3) Utah (big time job can win there, pays)
4) DePaul (new arena, tradition, bar low right now)
5) College of Charleston (great spot, top job in league)
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“the student body skews very liberal while the fanbase and alumni skew very conservative which make for a fascinating case study.”
Isn’t that every university in the country? Definitely not unique to UT. Regarding football being king at Texas, football is king at every school that plays it, with the exception of maybe Duke, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky. I’m sure Shaka has learned from past misjudgments...and maybe competing with football headlines was one of them. If Shaka is MU’s guy, I’d love to know what’s changed this time around for Shaka.
You obviously have never spent any significant time in Texas.....
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“the student body skews very liberal while the fanbase and alumni skew very conservative which make for a fascinating case study.”
Isn’t that every university in the country? Definitely not unique to UT. Regarding football being king at Texas, football is king at every school that plays it, with the exception of maybe Duke, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky. I’m sure Shaka has learned from past misjudgments...and maybe competing with football headlines was one of them. If Shaka is MU’s guy, I’d love to know what’s changed this time around for Shaka.
Football is definitely king, not just at UT, but in the state of Texas as a whole. Especially high school football. No state produces more prospects year in and year out than Texas.
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“the student body skews very liberal while the fanbase and alumni skew very conservative which make for a fascinating case study.”
Isn’t that every university in the country? Definitely not unique to UT. Regarding football being king at Texas, football is king at every school that plays it, with the exception of maybe Duke, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky. I’m sure Shaka has learned from past misjudgments...and maybe competing with football headlines was one of them. If Shaka is MU’s guy, I’d love to know what’s changed this time around for Shaka.
Not to the level you see at TU. Trust me.
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Football is definitely king, not just at UT, but in the state of Texas as a whole. Especially high school football. No state produces more prospects year in and year out than Texas.
Florida would like a word...
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Florida would like a word...
Florida is certainly a close second.
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Florida is certainly a close second.
Other way around.
https://thespun.com/nfl/graphic-the-10-u-s-states-with-the-most-current-nfl-players
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Other way around.
https://thespun.com/nfl/graphic-the-10-u-s-states-with-the-most-current-nfl-players
That's the NFL, I said high school. According to 24/7, in the 2021 class Texas produced 377 ranked high school prospects to Florida's 336.
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Not sure I would describe DePaul’s fan base as “rabid”. They seem close to non-existent. Not too many people care about DePaul in Chicago. It was great back in the Mark Aguirre days, but that was a long, long time ago
DePaul had fewer fans at their games pre-Covid
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There has to be money as a factor here. I don't believe Moser is going to take a discount because he covets MU, worked for Rick, worked for Jesuits, the Amtrak stop, whatever. He has the ability to command 3M plus without advancing this week. 2 final fours, he's really pushing into rarified air and you are looking a 4M plus range. Who is footing that bill? Underwood makes 4M to give you a sense, Buzz @ 3.9.
Gates is just a semi-hot name at the moment, but he could easily not get picked up and have to prove it again next year. The people that pay the salaries might talk themselves into a coach at half the cost.
https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/mens-basketball/coach/
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MU cannot afford to not pay Moser. The consequences are too great, hey?
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Football is definitely king, not just at UT, but in the state of Texas as a whole. Especially high school football. No state produces more prospects year in and year out than Texas.
I would rank the sports popularity in Texas as:
1. High school football
2. College football
3. Pro football
4. Baseball
5. Basketball
I think TAMU did overstate the UT following though. At least in Houston, i felt like TAMU had greater following than UT.
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MU cannot afford to bot pay Moser. The consequences are too great, hey?
Is this some new cryptocurrency?
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I would rank the sports popularity in Texas as:
1. High school football
2. College football
3. Pro football
4. Baseball
5. Basketball
I think TAMU did overstate the UT following though. At least in Houston, i felt like TAMU had greater following than UT.
Not sure exactly where it fits, but girls volleyball is way up there too. It's huge.
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I would rank the sports popularity in Texas as:
1. High school football
2. College football
3. Pro football
4. Baseball
5. Basketball
I think TAMU did overstate the UT following though. At least in Houston, i felt like TAMU had greater following than UT.
You forgot Spring Football in there.
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I would rank the sports popularity in Texas as:
1. High school football
2. College football
3. Pro football
4. Baseball
5. Basketball
I think TAMU did overstate the UT following though. At least in Houston, i felt like TAMU had greater following than UT.
Where does bull riding factor in?
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Where does bull riding factor in?
Rodeo is a thing for sure, especially in Houston. Probably down the list though. Actually NASCAR might be ahead of basketball.
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I would rank the sports popularity in Texas as:
1. High school football
2. College football
3. Pro football
4. Baseball
5. Basketball
I think TAMU did overstate the UT following though. At least in Houston, i felt like TAMU had greater following than UT.
Golf program.
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Questions about the assumption that Shaka or Moser would need permission from UT/LUC to interview: Is this a universal requirement, and do people really comply? I thought MU was caught totally unaware when word leaked out about TC to I4. Did I misunderstand?
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Agreed, I have a hard time believing Gates would not nail an interview
Maybe he pled the 5th when we asked how interested he'd be when the FSU job opens.
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Maybe he pled the 5th when we asked how interested he'd be when the FSU job opens.
He failed the long-terminess portion of Scholl's Rubric for Coach Judging:
Squirminess
Long-terminess (Baltimore Colts test)
Can take criticism
Slapping of Hands (ability)
Abusiveness to plumbing in facilities
Recruiting
Fundraising ability
Willingness to get a dragon/walrus tattoo
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Questions about the assumption that Shaka or Moser would need permission from UT/LUC to interview: Is this a universal requirement, and do people really comply? I thought MU was caught totally unaware when word leaked out about TC to I4. Did I misunderstand?
I don’t know definitely, but I suspect that it is a curtesy or possibly a contract provision for some coaches. But in reality it gets ignored and no one is suing anyone over it.
So I’d look at it as a courtesy: Phone call: We’d like to speak to your coach.
Answer: no you can’t.
Well, Okay but we are calling him now anyway and we’ve already talked to him as have boosters and mutual contacts, so we thought you should know. But thanks for taking our call.
More likely the call by the school losing the coach doesn’t even get returned.
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I don’t know definitely, but I suspect that it is a curtesy or possibly a contract provision for some coaches. But in reality it gets ignored and no one is suing anyone over it.
So I’d look at it as a courtesy: Phone call: We’d like to speak to your coach.
Answer: no you can’t.
Well, Okay but we are calling him now anyway and we’ve already talked to him as have boosters and mutual contacts, so we thought you should know. But thanks for taking our call.
More likely the call by the school losing the coach doesn’t even get returned.
Yeah, that's kind of what I'm assuming as well.
I do wonder though if IU even bothered calling MU when they hired TC. Wouldn't shock me either way.
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Yeah, that's kind of what I'm assuming as well.
I do wonder though if IU even bothered calling MU when they hired TC. Wouldn't shock me either way.
As someone mentioned, I suspect that courtesy is even more important between two Jesuit schools.
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As someone mentioned, I suspect that courtesy is even more important between two Jesuit schools.
Especially if there’s any overlap on the BOT. I think we had the Creighton President on there for some time.