No - not a thread saying we should hire him (but we should!).
Just another "easy" sweet 16 with one of your best guards hurt. Wow.
I can only hope MU gets to this point one day. Wright HAS to be the best college coach today, right? Doing better than K, Cal, and Roy the past few years. Mostly reloading without 1 and done's. Gets everyone to buy in and just wins. Amazing.
edit: and for the record "superbar", but I said we should hire him.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 21, 2021, 09:47:25 PM
No - not a thread saying we should hire him (but we should!).
Just another "easy" sweet 16 with one of your best guards hurt. Wow.
I can only hope MU gets to this point one day. Wright HAS to be the best college coach today, right? Doing better than K, Cal, and Roy the past few years. Mostly reloading without 1 and done's. Gets everyone to buy in and just wins. Amazing.
He and Few have separated themselves. And Wright is the clear #1.
MU has to be able to be consistently make it to the upper echelon of the Big East. Nova and Wright demo state year in and year out the standard that needs to be met.
The good news is our new coach can get us to that level.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 21, 2021, 09:50:58 PM
He and Few have separated themselves. And Wright is the clear #1.
Few has no P6 experience, so I'd pass. Wright would be acceptable.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 21, 2021, 09:53:46 PM
Few has no P6 experience, so I'd pass. Wright would be acceptable.
Wright has spent his entire career on the East Coast. No Midwestern ties.
Pass.
Harsh, but I can't really judge Few until he takes on tougher competition on a consistent basis.
He's got a good gig, and does well at it though!
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 21, 2021, 09:53:46 PM
Few has no P6 experience, so I'd pass. Wright would be acceptable.
Gonzaga has made the tournament 22 straight years. I'd take that.
North Texas looked very good to start the game. 21-13.
No fear. Jay Wright is near.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 21, 2021, 09:53:46 PM
Few has no P6 experience, so I'd pass. Wright would be acceptable.
Yeah, and Few can't recruit either. ::)
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on March 21, 2021, 09:58:28 PM
No fear. Jay Wright is near.
Seriously, I'd trust him to coach a game on his phone from a campground.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 21, 2021, 10:00:14 PM
Seriously, I'd trust him to coach a game on his phone from a campground.
I never thought Winthrop was going to beat Villanova. Too many picked Winthrop. Never happens that way. Villanova had over a weeks rest after the loss to Georgetown. Work on things in New York. Jay Wright was going to get these guys going. If they hit the three, like they did tonight, they can beat Baylor.
Quote from: Jockey on March 21, 2021, 09:59:46 PM
Yeah, and Few can't recruit either. ::)
Well, since you brought it up, he has never recruited for a P6 program.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 21, 2021, 10:07:28 PM
Well, since you brought it up, he has never recruited for a P6 program.
Or from most US states. ;)
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on March 21, 2021, 10:06:08 PM
I never thought Winthrop was going to beat Villanova.
Agreed, Nova was going to win that game. And you could say they lucked into facing a worse seed in the 2nd round. But my point stands. I Hope MU can get to the point that it can get a good enough seeds to earn "easy" S16's - with a main player hurt.
HIRE JAY WRIGHT!
He did not win his first NCAA tournament game until his 11th season as a head coach.
If MU hired him, would we have given him this much rope to figure it out?
Or would have the paint touches/anonymous/cracked of the day ran him out of town after seven years?
1994–95 Hofstra 10–18 5–11 9th
1995–96 Hofstra 9–18 5–12 T–7th
1996–97 Hofstra 12–15 9–9 4th
1997–98 Hofstra 19–12 11–7 T–3rd
1998–99 Hofstra 22–10 14–4 3rd NIT First Round
1999–00 Hofstra 24–7 16–2 1st NCAA Division I First Round
2000–01 Hofstra 26–5 16–2 1st NCAA Division I First Round
Villanova Wildcats (Big East Conference[a]) (2001–present)
2001–02 Villanova 19–13 7–9 5th NIT Quarterfinal
2002–03 Villanova 15–16 8–8 T–3rd NIT First Round
2003–04 Villanova 18–17 6–10 11th NIT Quarterfinal
2004–05 Villanova 24–8 11–5 T–3rd NCAA Division I Sweet 16
2005–06 Villanova 28–5 14–2 T–1st NCAA Division I Elite Eight
For Wojo's sake - I hope he can be as successful as Wright. But that's water under the bridge.
Hopefully MU hires & keeps a guy that can be as good or better than Wright.
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on March 21, 2021, 10:06:08 PM
I never thought Winthrop was going to beat Villanova. Too many picked Winthrop. Never happens that way. Villanova had over a weeks rest after the loss to Georgetown. Work on things in New York. Jay Wright was going to get these guys going. If they hit the three, like they did tonight, they can beat Baylor.
The problem is Nova won't get open threes. Baylor's guards are quicker. J-R-E will need to have a big game and Nova will have to take care of the ball.
Would you be happy with Kevin Willard?
Seton Hall was smart enough to not can him after six seasons.
2010–11 13–17 7–11 12th
2011–12 21–13 8–10 10th NIT Second Round
2012–13 15–18 3–15 13th
2013–14 17–17 6–12 8th
2014–15 16–15 6–12 T–7th
2015–16 25–9 12–6 3rd NCAA Round of 64
After six seasons ...
After Willard's first six seasons ....
2016–17 21–12 10–8 T–3rd NCAA Round of 64
2017–18 22–12 10–8 T–3rd NCAA Round of 32
2018–19 20–14 9–9 T–3rd NCAA Round of 64
2019–20 21–9 13–5 T-1st NCAA Canceled
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 21, 2021, 09:47:25 PM
Wright HAS to be the best college coach today, right?
Without a doubt. If this was NovaScoop and you could hand the reigns over to any one for the next 10 years the list would be:
1962 John Wooden
1997 Jim Calhoun
1997 Coach K
2009 Calipari (maybe)
1970 Al
probably a few dead coaches I've missed but no-one alive with a resume like the last 6 years, with no NCAA issues, and what looks like a program that will sustain for the foreseeable future.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 21, 2021, 10:15:08 PM
For Wojo's sake - I hope he can be as successful as Wright. But that's water under the bridge.
Hopefully MU hires & keeps a guy that can be as good or better than Wright.
MU needs to hire some with at least 10 to 15 years of experience so they have already "figure out out" on someone else's dime.
Someone like that is 77 miles south of campus, not in Cleveland.
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on March 21, 2021, 10:06:08 PM
I never thought Winthrop was going to beat Villanova. Too many picked Winthrop. Never happens that way. Villanova had over a weeks rest after the loss to Georgetown. Work on things in New York. Jay Wright was going to get these guys going. If they hit the three, like they did tonight, they can beat Baylor.
Nova is heating up a bit, but Baylor looked damn good today. So quick and they are even better from the 3. Wright is truly amazing though so they could keep it close
Wright calmly saying "Bang" as Jenkins took the title winning 3 in 2016 was one of the coolest things I've ever seen. What a BAMF
What I like about Wright is that he has a style of play, and he almost always has upperclassmen and Freshmen who fit the specific roles that are required in that style:
Arcadiacono - Brunson - Gillespie
Paschall - Spellman - Bey - Robinson-Earl
Pinkston - Jenkins - Bridges - Samuels
Clear roles and clear succession.
Within all of his trolling, Smuggles actually does make a point that would seem to favor Moser.
It took Wright a while to get Hofstra going. Meanwhile, Villanova had become a Big East also-ran under Steve Lappas, going to NITs or suffering first-round NCAA defeats year after year.
Jay took over for Lappas and built Nova into a S16 team within 4 years. There were hiccups after that, and it wasn't always smooth sailing as some might think -- most notably, Wright won 3 NCAAT games in the 6 tournaments between 2010-15, leading many Nova fans wondering if he'd ever get them to the promised land -- but they are a finely tuned basketball machine now.
It's easy to argue that he is the best coach in the country today.
Could Moser be our Wright? That's asking a lot. For one thing, Wright was 40 when he took over at Nova and Moser is already 53. But the idea that Moser learned how to coach at a lower level and took some lumps before (mostly) figuring it out, it's a compelling one.
One major difference (besides age): Wright did recruit for Nova and UNLV as an assistant before becoming a head coach. Moser has never recruited that level of athlete. And that's a pretty significant difference.
Quote from: Heisenberg v2.0 on March 21, 2021, 10:11:25 PM
He did not win his first NCAA tournament game until his 11th season as a head coach.
If MU hired him, would we have given him this much rope to figure it out?
Or would have the paint touches/anonymous/cracked of the day ran him out of town after seven years?
1994–95 Hofstra 10–18 5–11 9th
1995–96 Hofstra 9–18 5–12 T–7th
1996–97 Hofstra 12–15 9–9 4th
1997–98 Hofstra 19–12 11–7 T–3rd
1998–99 Hofstra 22–10 14–4 3rd NIT First Round
1999–00 Hofstra 24–7 16–2 1st NCAA Division I First Round
2000–01 Hofstra 26–5 16–2 1st NCAA Division I First Round
Villanova Wildcats (Big East Conference[a]) (2001–present)
2001–02 Villanova 19–13 7–9 5th NIT Quarterfinal
2002–03 Villanova 15–16 8–8 T–3rd NIT First Round
2003–04 Villanova 18–17 6–10 11th NIT Quarterfinal
2004–05 Villanova 24–8 11–5 T–3rd NCAA Division I Sweet 16
2005–06 Villanova 28–5 14–2 T–1st NCAA Division I Elite Eight
I would be VERY pleased if we hired a coach from a mid-major and they had these results in their first 5 years.
2021–22 Marquette 19–13 7–9 5th NIT Quarterfinal
2022–23 Marquette 15–16 8–8 T–3rd NIT First Round
2023–24 Marquette 18–17 6–10 11th NIT Quarterfinal
2024–25 Marquette 24–8 11–5 T–3rd NCAA Division I Sweet 16
2025–26 Marquette 28–5 14–2 T–1st NCAA Division I Elite Eight
Quote from: avid1010 on March 22, 2021, 07:12:17 AM
I would be VERY pleased if we hired a coach from a mid-major and they had these results in their first 5 years.
2021–22 Marquette 19–13 7–9 5th NIT Quarterfinal
2022–23 Marquette 15–16 8–8 T–3rd NIT First Round
2023–24 Marquette 18–17 6–10 11th NIT Quarterfinal
2024–25 Marquette 24–8 11–5 T–3rd NCAA Division I Sweet 16
2025–26 Marquette 28–5 14–2 T–1st NCAA Division I Elite Eight
Me too, avid ... but I wonder how many of our fellow Scoopers would be saying after a third straight NIT and an 18-17 record, "Wow, Coach X is doing a great job for us. I know I'm going to be VERY pleased!"
I'm thinking many (perhaps even the majority) would be saying: "We hired another disaster. Three years and not a single NCAA appearance. Even Wojo got us into the NCAAs in 3 years! This guy is 6 games over .500 after 3 years, and a losing conference record. Better to admit the mistake now. Rip off the Band-Aid and start over. Anybody who disagrees is settling for mediocrity!"
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 21, 2021, 09:52:53 PM
MU has to be able to be consistently make it to the upper echelon of the Big East. Nova and Wright demo state year in and year out the standard that needs to be met.
The good news is our new coach can get us to that level.
And who is the new coach. Inquiring minds want to know.
Quote from: Heisenberg v2.0 on March 21, 2021, 10:11:25 PM
He did not win his first NCAA tournament game until his 11th season as a head coach.
If MU hired him, would we have given him this much rope to figure it out?
Or would have the paint touches/anonymous/cracked of the day ran him out of town after seven years?
1994–95 Hofstra 10–18 5–11 9th
1995–96 Hofstra 9–18 5–12 T–7th
1996–97 Hofstra 12–15 9–9 4th
1997–98 Hofstra 19–12 11–7 T–3rd
1998–99 Hofstra 22–10 14–4 3rd NIT First Round
1999–00 Hofstra 24–7 16–2 1st NCAA Division I First Round
2000–01 Hofstra 26–5 16–2 1st NCAA Division I First Round
Villanova Wildcats (Big East Conference[a]) (2001–present)
2001–02 Villanova 19–13 7–9 5th NIT Quarterfinal
2002–03 Villanova 15–16 8–8 T–3rd NIT First Round
2003–04 Villanova 18–17 6–10 11th NIT Quarterfinal
2004–05 Villanova 24–8 11–5 T–3rd NCAA Division I Sweet 16
2005–06 Villanova 28–5 14–2 T–1st NCAA Division I Elite Eight
Waited for the early career comparison to Wojos early career
Quote from: MU82 on March 22, 2021, 07:04:12 AMCould Moser be our Wright? That's asking a lot. For one thing, Wright was 40 when he took over at Nova and Moser is already 53. But the idea that Moser learned how to coach at a lower level and took some lumps before (mostly) figuring it out, it's a compelling one.
One major difference (besides age): Wright did recruit for Nova and UNLV as an assistant before becoming a head coach. Moser has never recruited that level of athlete. And that's a pretty significant difference.
If it's Moser, I think his assistants are the biggest question. I would like to see Gainey retained, but adding another recruiter, some more high major experience, and reinstating the video coordinator position (which I'm sure he'd do) are things I'd like from a Moser staff.
Quote from: MU82 on March 22, 2021, 07:16:48 AM
Me too, avid ... but I wonder how many of our fellow Scoopers would be saying after a third straight NIT and an 18-17 record, "Wow, Coach X is doing a great job for us. I know I'm going to be VERY pleased!"
I'm thinking many (perhaps even the majority) would be saying: "We hired another disaster. Three years and not a single NCAA appearance. Even Wojo got us into the NCAAs in 3 years! This guy is 6 games over .500 after 3 years, and a losing conference record. Better to admit the mistake now. Rip off the Band-Aid and start over. Anybody who disagrees is settling for mediocrity!"
Yup
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 22, 2021, 07:59:50 AM
Yup
It depends on the eye test as much as the record. Where did the program bottom out and is there actual improvement. I think the majority are okay with giving a coach 5 years to judge unless there are obvious signs of concern. With Wojo, it was obvious that he was not making improvements in his game coaching. The hope was that his recruiting would create success and his coaching would eventually come around. Throwing out blind coaching records with context to prove a posters point is stupid. Personally I can't stand the Coach K record where he sucked for ever and then turned into a good coach. Might as well sign all coaches to 10 or 15 year contracts if we are going that route.
In Wojo's first four years he missed the tournament twice, made an NIT, and made the tourney as a 10 seed and the vast majority of this board fully defended him.
Wojo, though not charismatic, seemed to me to be a high strung guy. How many times on TV he sounded so hoarse I had to wonder does he spend so much time yelling at his players out of frustration. What impresses me most about Jay is that he is so cool and even keeled and still gets the most out his players.
I would not be disappointed with a Moser hire, but anyone is better than staying the course.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 22, 2021, 07:39:23 AM
If it's Moser, I think his assistants are the biggest question. I would like to see Gainey retained, but adding another recruiter, some more high major experience, and reinstating the video coordinator position (which I'm sure he'd do) are things I'd like from a Moser staff.
No wonder our guys never improved.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on March 22, 2021, 09:13:29 AM
In Wojo's first four years he missed the tournament twice, made an NIT, and made the tourney as a 10 seed and the vast majority of this board fully defended him.
This post should be pinned to the top of the board. I think it's important for us not to forget the true scope of Wojo slurping that took place here the last seven years. Both the slurping, and the people who slurped.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on March 22, 2021, 09:13:29 AM
In Wojo's first four years he missed the tournament twice, made an NIT, and made the tourney as a 10 seed and the vast majority of this board fully defended him.
I'd say that's true through the third year.
Year 1, sucked; some grumbled about how badly we sucked, and about the loss of Deonte, but suckage was a realistic expectation under a first-year coach. Also, landed a 5-star recruit.
Year 2, with Ellenson and Cheatham won the Brooklyn event, beat Madison, beat good Providence team. Also had some bad losses, notably Belmont and DePaul, that killed postseason chances. Still, 20 wins, some good wins, looked like progress to most. Also, good recruits coming.
Year 3, despite losing Hank and the regression of Haani, Wojo's two standout freshmen and a couple good transfers helped us beat the No. 1 team, get a few other nice wins, and qualify for the tournament. Lost to an eventual Final Four team that was playing at home. I'd agree with you that most were saying the progress was good. I fully admit I was satisfied we were moving in the right direction.
Year 4, took a step backward and there was plenty of grumbling on Scoop. Some, employing 20/20 hindsight years later, said this was a major "red flag."
However, I think the progress MU made through 3 years was pretty obvious. Not sure we'd see going 18-17 in Year 3 under our next coach as such obvious progress.
Hopefully we won't have to find out because we'll be enjoying our Sweet 16 (or better) season too much to whine.
Quote from: MU82 on March 22, 2021, 09:37:25 AM
I'd say that's true through the third year.
Year 1, sucked; some grumbled about how badly we sucked, and about the loss of Deonte, but suckage was a realistic expectation under a first-year coach. Also, landed a 5-star recruit.
Year 2, with Ellenson and Cheatham won the Brooklyn event, beat Madison, beat good Providence team. Also had some bad losses, notably Belmont and DePaul, that killed postseason chances. Still, 20 wins, some good wins, looked like progress to most. Also, good recruits coming.
Year 3, despite losing Hank and the regression of Haani, Wojo's two standout freshmen and a couple good transfers helped us beat the No. 1 team, get a few other nice wins, and qualify for the tournament. Lost to an eventual Final Four team that was playing at home. I'd agree with you that most were saying the progress was good. I fully admit I was satisfied we were moving in the right direction.
Year 4, took a step backward and there was plenty of grumbling on Scoop. Some, employing 20/20 hindsight years later, said this was a major "red flag."
However, I think the progress MU made through 3 years was pretty obvious. Not sure we'd see going 18-17 in Year 3 under our next coach as such obvious progress.
Hopefully we won't have to find out because we'll be enjoying our Sweet 16 (or better) season too much to whine.
I definitely did some grumbling in Year 4, and I was in the minority. The point is though, that Wojo accomplished nothing of note in seven years, and he didn't have HC experience elsewhere proving he was capable of doing so. Still, the vast majority of this board defended him for a long time, you quite vociferously. And hey, so be it. But I think it's unfair to frame this board/fanbase as being unreasonable. It wasn't too much to ask that they make tournament games competitive or don't go 1-6 down the stretch in their 'up' years.
Quote from: MU82 on March 22, 2021, 07:16:48 AM
Me too, avid ... but I wonder how many of our fellow Scoopers would be saying after a third straight NIT and an 18-17 record, "Wow, Coach X is doing a great job for us. I know I'm going to be VERY pleased!"
I'm thinking many (perhaps even the majority) would be saying: "We hired another disaster. Three years and not a single NCAA appearance. Even Wojo got us into the NCAAs in 3 years! This guy is 6 games over .500 after 3 years, and a losing conference record. Better to admit the mistake now. Rip off the Band-Aid and start over. Anybody who disagrees is settling for mediocrity!"
I don't doubt that...there's almost always a contingent of a fan base calling for a coach to be fired. There were many Nova fans pissed that Wright couldn't get over the NCAA hump, Creighton fans complain, etc. There has to be good leadership at the university level to combat that. I really liked what Scholl said...he expects MU to compete in the upper half of the BEAST, routinely qualify for the NCAA tourney and occasionally be in a position to make a run in the tourney. His job is to find someone capable of doing that, and then to buy that person enough time to get to that level. I think you can get 4-5 years of time if you're seeing some level of progression. I'd also feel much better if the coach we're buying time for has some level of past success as a HC if the progression is taking time. It was pretty clear under TC things were trending upwards, and Buzz kept that going. If I'm a coach looking at MU, I'm feeling decent about expectations if Wojo got 7 years given his results.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 22, 2021, 09:30:42 AM
This post should be pinned to the top of the board. I think it's important for us not to forget the true scope of Wojo slurping that took place here the last seven years. Both the slurping, and the people who slurped.
some version of this post has been made in every single thread since 2019.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on March 22, 2021, 10:10:25 AM
I definitely did some grumbling in Year 4, and I was in the minority. The point is though, that Wojo accomplished nothing of note in seven years, and he didn't have HC experience elsewhere proving he was capable of doing so. Still, the vast majority of this board defended him for a long time, you quite vociferously. And hey, so be it. But I think it's unfair to frame this board/fanbase as being unreasonable. It wasn't too much to ask that they make tournament games competitive or don't go 1-6 down the stretch in their 'up' years.
There was plenty of grumbling in Year 4 ... and I don't blame the grumblers. It was a step backward. But yes, there were plenty defending Wojo, too. And in Year 5, when we were a top-10 team winning 20 of 22, there was plenty of "I told you so, our patience was rewarded" coming from the ProJos. Yes. We all know the history. We all know what happened next. And congrats to all the NoJos; y'all "won."
If you think Scoop will be content and patient if our next coach goes to zero NCAA tournaments in 3 years and posts an 18-17 record in Year 3 ... well, let's just agree to disagree ... and let's both hope we never have to find out.
Quote from: MU82 on March 22, 2021, 10:31:44 AM
There was plenty of grumbling in Year 4 ... and I don't blame the grumblers. It was a step backward. But yes, there were plenty defending Wojo, too. And in Year 5, when we were a top-10 team winning 20 of 22, there was plenty of "I told you so, our patience was rewarded" coming from the ProJos. Yes. We all know the history. We all know what happened next. And congrats to all the NoJos; y'all "won."
If you think Scoop will be content and patient if our next coach goes to zero NCAA tournaments in 3 years and posts an 18-17 record in Year 3 ... well, let's just agree to disagree ... and let's both hope we never have to find out.
Scoop was content and patient while Wojo accomplished nothing of note. There will always be a faction of grumblers; point is, they were the minority. Perhaps the fanbase will be less patient this time around. Like you said, I hope we never have to find out.
Quote from: MU82 on March 22, 2021, 07:04:12 AM
Within all of his trolling, Smuggles actually does make a point that would seem to favor Moser.
It took Wright a while to get Hofstra going. Meanwhile, Villanova had become a Big East also-ran under Steve Lappas, going to NITs or suffering first-round NCAA defeats year after year.
Jay took over for Lappas and built Nova into a S16 team within 4 years. There were hiccups after that, and it wasn't always smooth sailing as some might think -- most notably, Wright won 3 NCAAT games in the 6 tournaments between 2010-15, leading many Nova fans wondering if he'd ever get them to the promised land -- but they are a finely tuned basketball machine now.
It's easy to argue that he is the best coach in the country today.
Could Moser be our Wright? That's asking a lot. For one thing, Wright was 40 when he took over at Nova and Moser is already 53. But the idea that Moser learned how to coach at a lower level and took some lumps before (mostly) figuring it out, it's a compelling one.
One major difference (besides age): Wright did recruit for Nova and UNLV as an assistant before becoming a head coach. Moser has never recruited that level of athlete. And that's a pretty significant difference.
Wright also learned in those dry years after the sweet 16 you mentioned that recruiting rankings ain't all that. His profile & program allows him access to the cream of the crop, but he's fine going lower on the rankings scale for a better fit/mentality he sees in a player, and he's confident he'll be able to mold that player into the best version of himself and a plus contributor within a team concept. That's why he's the top don. That last aspect is something Moser seems to grasp intuitively, and he's got the coaching acumen to make it happen. I'll take that 100/100 after watching a marginal coach recruit the highest ranked talent in half a century at MU only to flounder for 7 straight years.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 21, 2021, 09:47:25 PM
No - not a thread saying we should hire him (but we should!).
Just another "easy" sweet 16 with one of your best guards hurt. Wow.
I can only hope MU gets to this point one day. Wright HAS to be the best college coach today, right? Doing better than K, Cal, and Roy the past few years. Mostly reloading without 1 and done's. Gets everyone to buy in and just wins. Amazing.
edit: and for the record "superbar", but I said we should hire him.
The MU Womens program was gracious enough to give up their spot at the Al and drinks are on the house at the bar. Good season Ladies.
Jay Wight doesn't have a wardrobe worthy of going uptown in Milwaukee. Nope.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on March 22, 2021, 10:39:30 AM
Scoop was content and patient while Wojo accomplished nothing of note. There will always be a faction of grumblers; point is, they were the minority. Perhaps the fanbase will be less patient this time around. Like you said, I hope we never have to find out.
Look, friend, I hope you're right. Because if DJ, DG, JL and the recruits go elsewhere, our next coach very well might be lucky to be 18-17 with no NCAAs in Year 3. And if I like the guy, I'll be on here reminding everybody that Jay Wright had no NCAAs and was 18-17 in Year 3 at Nova. And the NoXXXXers (fill in coach's name) will be saying he's got to go.
Related: Wojo's third season at Marquette was significantly better than Wright's third season at Nova. Had Wojo gone 18-17 that third season, and then followed with the fourth season he had ... wow, Scoop would have been REALLY ugly.
Quote from: MU82 on March 22, 2021, 07:06:17 PM
Look, friend, I hope you're right. Because if DJ, DG, JL and the recruits go elsewhere, our next coach very well might be lucky to be 18-17 with no NCAAs in Year 3. And if I like the guy, I'll be on here reminding everybody that Jay Wright had no NCAAs and was 18-17 in Year 3 at Nova. And the NoXXXXers (fill in coach's name) will be saying he's got to go.
I agree that's how the conversation will go (the new coach going 18-17 in Year 3 is TBD). We're not Indiana, but we're not DePaul either. If Wright's seat was getting toasty after Year 3 though, then he doused it in Year 4. Every year of the Wojo era was, "Well, he's not there yet, but..."
Quote from: MU82 on March 22, 2021, 07:06:17 PM
Related: Wojo's third season at Marquette was significantly better than Wright's third season at Nova. Had Wojo gone 18-17 that third season, and then followed with the fourth season he had ... wow, Scoop would have been REALLY ugly.
Sure, but that didn't happen. Here's what I'm hoping ends with the Wojo era: these hypotheticals where it gives Wojo all the advantages. I agree to an extent that Crean without Wade = Wojo. But Wojo without Markus = Dukiet. We can play that game all day, but luckily we don't have to. The results are the results, and we've got 7 years of evidence that has now been capped.
NM
I'd like to point out, that was NOT the premise of me starting the thread!
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 21, 2021, 09:47:25 PM
No - not a thread saying we should hire him (but we should!).
Just another "easy" sweet 16 with one of your best guards hurt. Wow.
I can only hope MU gets to this point one day. Wright HAS to be the best college coach today, right? Doing better than K, Cal, and Roy the past few years. Mostly reloading without 1 and done's. Gets everyone to buy in and just wins. Amazing.
edit: and for the record "superbar", but I said we should hire him.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on March 22, 2021, 07:38:46 PM
I agree that's how the conversation will go (the new coach going 18-17 in Year 3 is TBD). We're not Indiana, but we're not DePaul either. If Wright's seat was getting toasty after Year 3 though, then he doused it in Year 4. Every year of the Wojo era was, "Well, he's not there yet, but..."
Sure, but that didn't happen. Here's what I'm hoping ends with the Wojo era: these hypotheticals where it gives Wojo all the advantages. I agree to an extent that Crean without Wade = Wojo. But Wojo without Markus = Dukiet. We can play that game all day, but luckily we don't have to. The results are the results, and we've got 7 years of evidence that has now been capped.
Wojo couldn't handle the job. I'm glad he's no longer our coach. And again, I hope we don't have to find out how Scoop treats our next coach if he is 18-17 in Year 3 with zero NCAA appearances. Have a nice night.