best recruiting coach MU ever had and in a year where Kentucky, Duke and Michigan Sate are not in the tournament he gets fired? last year they could have been bounced in the first round, but had talent to make elite 8 so we'll never know. this year was a waste and a strong FR class and good incoming class next year are all but gone. guess it's back to the Mike Deane years or worse we'll be the next DePaul in the conference
Quote from: warriors78 on March 19, 2021, 01:12:27 PM
best recruiting coach MU ever had and in a year where Kentucky, Duke and Michigan Sate are not in the tournament he gets fired? last year they could have been bounced in the first round, but had talent to make elite 8 so we'll never know. this year was a waste and a strong FR class and good incoming class next year are all but gone. guess it's back to the Mike Deane years or worse we'll be the next DePaul in the conference
😂😂😂
Quote from: warriors78 on March 19, 2021, 01:12:27 PM
best recruiting coach MU ever had and in a year where Kentucky, Duke and Michigan Sate are not in the tournament he gets fired? last year they could have been bounced in the first round, but had talent to make elite 8 so we'll never know. this year was a waste and a strong FR class and good incoming class next year are all but gone. guess it's back to the Mike Deane years or worse we'll be the next DePaul in the conference
HA!!!
Hang a banner
Quote from: warriors78 on March 19, 2021, 01:12:27 PM
best recruiting coach MU ever had and in a year where Kentucky, Duke and Michigan Sate are not in the tournament he gets fired? last year they could have been bounced in the first round, but had talent to make elite 8 so we'll never know. this year was a waste and a strong FR class and good incoming class next year are all but gone. guess it's back to the Mike Deane years or worse we'll be the next DePaul in the conference
You forgot to use Teal, or you just assumed everyone knew you were joking?
It depends on who they hire to replace him. But I agree, the crowd celebrating the Wojo firing have no idea that this is the most dangerous period for MU basketball since Dukiet.
If MU screws up this next hire, we are at risk of becoming the next Depaul
Quote from: MU1980 on March 19, 2021, 01:14:18 PM
You forgot to use Teal, or you just assumed everyone knew you were joking?
Look at his history. He's serious, he's Daniel Day Lewis in Last of the ProJos
Oh god. There's still people who believe in this guy? All the metrics show he's not the guy that would do it. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results
This has to be Chico.
It's unrealistic not to acknowledge that this could end up looking like a terrible move for Marquette.
However, I'm putting trust in the admin to make the right moves, and find a charismatic X's & O's guy that can lead the team.
Quote from: Heisenberg v2.0 on March 19, 2021, 01:15:46 PM
It depends on who they hire to replace him. But I agree, the crowd celebrating the Wojo firing have no idea that this is the most dangerous period for MU basketball since Dukiet.
If MU screws up this next hire, we are at risk of becoming the next Depaul
We were at risk of becoming depaul with wojo.
"Sad and terrible" is an apt description of the program's performance the past 7 years
Steve, its over, you can move on now.
Hiring a new coach is a big risk. But there is a payoff. I don't think there was a big payoff coming with Wojo.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on March 19, 2021, 01:17:45 PM
We were at risk of becoming depaul with wojo.
Exactly. The status quo was not working. Maybe in year 12 Wojo would've pulled it off.
Unacceptable record for a storied program. this is the best outcome for both
Marquette Basketball is officially back haha. Crazies are coming out of the woodshed.
I was a bit sad when Mike Deane was shown the door. I got over it, and you will too.
Quote from: Warrior of Law on March 19, 2021, 01:25:33 PM
I was a bit sad when Mike Deane was shown the door. I got over it, and you will too.
Were you guys Turner's regulars together?
That you Dodd's? it's alright, everything is okay. Unless you keep defending Wojo 2 years later like you do with McCarthy.
Quote from: warriors78 on March 19, 2021, 01:12:27 PM
best recruiting coach MU ever had and in a year where Kentucky, Duke and Michigan Sate are not in the tournament he gets fired? last year they could have been bounced in the first round, but had talent to make elite 8 so we'll never know. this year was a waste and a strong FR class and good incoming class next year are all but gone. guess it's back to the Mike Deane years or worse we'll be the next DePaul in the conference
MU could not afford to not chit can Woj, hey?
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on March 19, 2021, 01:17:45 PM
We were at risk of becoming depaul with wojo.
Not really, MU has recruited 4 MCD AA in its history, Wojo got two. He was getting talent.
But, on the other side, he was not the next Jay Wright or Kevin Willard either.
Quote from: warriors78 on March 19, 2021, 01:12:27 PM
best recruiting coach MU ever had and in a year where Kentucky, Duke and Michigan Sate are not in the tournament he gets fired? last year they could have been bounced in the first round, but had talent to make elite 8 so we'll never know. this year was a waste and a strong FR class and good incoming class next year are all but gone. guess it's back to the Mike Deane years or worse we'll be the next DePaul in the conference
Ok Boomer
Quote from: JWags85 on March 19, 2021, 01:16:37 PM
Look at his history. He's serious, he's Daniel Day Lewis in Last of the ProJos
LMFAO
Wisky fans are happy, too. Wojo's record vs UW-Mad: 4-3.
Quote from: Heisenberg v2.0 on March 19, 2021, 01:31:31 PM
Not really, MU has recruited 4 MCD AA in its history, Wojo got two. He was getting talent.
But, on the other side, he was not the next Jay Wright or Kevin Willard either.
That means nothing without wins, which wojo could do with McD AAs or McD employees.
Quote from: Warrior of Law on March 19, 2021, 01:42:43 PM
Wisky fans are happy, too. Wojo's record vs UW-Mad: 4-3.
There's a coach out there that could have us 6-1.
Quote from: warriors78 on March 19, 2021, 01:12:27 PM
best recruiting coach MU ever had and in a year where Kentucky, Duke and Michigan Sate are not in the tournament he gets fired? last year they could have been bounced in the first round, but had talent to make elite 8 so we'll never know. this year was a waste and a strong FR class and good incoming class next year are all but gone. guess it's back to the Mike Deane years or worse we'll be the next DePaul in the conference
Elite 8 last year? Really?
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 19, 2021, 01:17:18 PM
It's unrealistic not to acknowledge that this could end up looking like a terrible move for Marquette.
However, I'm putting trust in the admin to make the right moves, and find a charismatic X's & O's guy that can lead the team.
I don't doubt that he could have success elsewhere. Coaches learn and grow from failures, and grow from new environments. It just wasn't gonna happen for him here. I wish him luck and harbor no ill will for him personally. Excited for the future of the program. LFGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: warriors78 on March 19, 2021, 01:12:27 PM
best recruiting coach MU ever had and in a year where Kentucky, Duke and Michigan Sate are not in the tournament he gets fired? last year they could have been bounced in the first round, but had talent to make elite 8 so we'll never know. this year was a waste and a strong FR class and good incoming class next year are all but gone. guess it's back to the Mike Deane years or worse we'll be the next DePaul in the conference
Smoking what??
Dude, We are DePaul (hoops) now! Have to right this now or the return to Hoops relevance may never happen again
Quote from: muwarrior97 on March 19, 2021, 01:51:20 PM
Smoking what??
Dude, We are DePaul (hoops) now! Have to right this now or the return to Hoops relevance may never happen again
What? Marquette has been in far worse shape than this...much worse....and has come back before. Get some perspective.
Quote from: muwarrior97 on March 19, 2021, 01:51:20 PM
Smoking what??
Dude, We are DePaul (hoops) now! Have to right this now or the return to Hoops relevance may never happen again
Hyperbole. Illinois looked terrible for years but look how quick they turned things around with Underwood.
I think 78's point is close to mine - firing Wojo is only the first step to getting the program turned. The next step, which MUST be successful, is the slam dunk hire that keeps DJ, DG and JFL on board and brings in at least 2 of the 3 recruits, plus some of his own. If this step fails, y'all are celebrating prematurely and we'll be right back here in three years.
Quote from: MomofMUltiples on March 19, 2021, 01:53:13 PM
I think 78's point is close to mine - firing Wojo is only the first step to getting the program turned. The next step, which MUST be successful, is the slam dunk hire that keeps DJ, DG and JFL on board and brings in at least 2 of the 3 recruits, plus some of his own. If this step fails, y'all are celebrating prematurely and we'll be right back here in three years.
Not quite the doomsday scenario you're implying with instant transfers this year. Yes ideally Mitchell Aidoo DJ Lewis and Garcia would all return/arrive. However your point is essentially the sunk cost fallacy for businesses.
Quote from: Heisenberg v2.0 on March 19, 2021, 01:15:46 PM
It depends on who they hire to replace him. But I agree, the crowd celebrating the Wojo firing have no idea that this is the most dangerous period for MU basketball since Dukiet.
If MU screws up this next hire, we are at risk of becoming the next Depaul
We're already the new st John's.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 19, 2021, 01:56:50 PM
Not quite the doomsday scenario you're implying with instant transfers this year.
Transfers may work out to build a team, but it will still take a few years. see: all the excitement for every new transfer every year that goes bust at the beginning of the season
Quote from: MomofMUltiples on March 19, 2021, 01:53:13 PM
I think 78's point is close to mine - firing Wojo is only the first step to getting the program turned. The next step, which MUST be successful, is the slam dunk hire that keeps DJ, DG and JFL on board and brings in at least 2 of the 3 recruits, plus some of his own. If this step fails, y'all are celebrating prematurely and we'll be right back here in three years.
As Karl Urban said in Dredd, "Mama, it's judgment time!"
There is no MUST about bringing back those three players you mentioned. They might've transferred if Wojo stayed. Carton may have gone pro. Garcia and Carton were probably not going to play at MU beyond next season. And most recruits who've committed to a coach will de-commit when that coach is fired or leaves. So what? Are you really sad Ahmed Hill and Mariel Shayok didn't end up here. Those guys were solid college players, but quickly forgotten by MU fans.
No, Mom, the only MUST is we have to bring in a coach who can get his own good players and win games. Next year will probably be rough. But by year two, a good coach should have us in the Tourney, and have us really rolling by years 3 and 4.
Wojo's gone and he's not coming back.
Quote from: MomofMUltiples on March 19, 2021, 01:53:13 PM
I think 78's point is close to mine - firing Wojo is only the first step to getting the program turned. The next step, which MUST be successful, is the slam dunk hire that keeps DJ, DG and JFL on board and brings in at least 2 of the 3 recruits, plus some of his own. If this step fails, y'all are celebrating prematurely and we'll be right back here in three years.
I'm worried as well. Everyone assumes we'll make a home run hire...but it's a lot easier to get a bloop single or even strike out.
If we go into the summer without DJ, DJ, JFL and the new recruits, the new guy will have a lot to prove in a hurry.
Quote from: Warrior of Law on March 19, 2021, 01:42:43 PM
Wisky fans are happy, too. Wojo's record vs UW-Mad: 4-3.
Barry has the scope on Gard
If you truly believe the current coach is not the right person to continue to guide your program, you make him your former coach. Period.
Wojo had to go.
You don't worry that you might pick somebody worse. That's defeatist. You have confidence in yourselves as administrators. College basketball is a big, wide world with a lot of fine coaches. You assume you will find one, the right one. No doubt, you already have a list going, and maybe even have made some initial contacts with agents.
You also can't worry about players who might transfer or recruits who might de-commit. I go in expecting DJ, Garcia, Lewis, Mitchell and Aidoo to go elsewhere. If one or more of them stay with Marquette, I will consider each to be a very pleasant surprise.
There will be painful moments to the rebuild, and it almost surely will take years no matter who we hire. Most Scoopers think Buzz is a very good coach; he just wrapped up Year 2 at TAMU and they suck. Underwood deserves all the praise he has received for his work at Illinois, but it's taken him 4 years to get here. Etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.
If we hire the right coach, it will have been worth the wait. If we don't, we'll be back here talking about this stuff 3 or 4 or 5 (or 7!) years from now.
We Are Marquette!
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 19, 2021, 01:59:16 PM
Transfers may work out to build a team, but it will still take a few years. see: all the excitement for every new transfer every year that goes bust at the beginning of the season
Don't look at Arkansas' roster....
Quote from: MU82 on March 19, 2021, 02:40:04 PM
If you truly believe the current coach is not the right person to continue to guide your program, you make him your former coach. Period.
Wojo had to go.
You don't worry that you might pick somebody worse. That's defeatist. You have confidence in yourselves as administrators. College basketball is a big, wide world with a lot of fine coaches. You assume you will find one, the right one. No doubt, you already have a list going, and maybe even have made some initial contacts with agents.
You also can't worry about players who might transfer or recruits who might de-commit. I go in expecting DJ, Garcia, Lewis, Mitchell and Aidoo to go elsewhere. If one or more of them stay with Marquette, I will consider each to be a very pleasant surprise.
There will be painful moments to the rebuild, and it almost surely will take years no matter who we hire. Most Scoopers think Buzz is a very good coach; he just wrapped up Year 2 at TAMU and they suck. Underwood deserves all the praise he has received for his work at Illinois, but it's taken him 4 years to get here. Etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.
If we hire the right coach, it will have been worth the wait. If we don't, we'll be back here talking about this stuff 3 or 4 or 5 (or 7!) years from now.
We Are Marquette!
If that happens and they take their time hiring a coach, the result getting no quality transfers it will be worse than you think. Hope it all works out.
The reason "this is a dangerous period for our program" is because of Wojo. Good fucking riddance.
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 19, 2021, 02:52:50 PM
The reason "this is a dangerous period for our program" is because of Wojo. Good unnatural carnal knowledgeing riddance.
Exactly. We could botch this next hire and things get worse. There's no guarantees.
However, I think it's pretty safe to say we weren't going to accomplish the program's goals with Wojo. They need to take the risk in order to find someone who can meet those goals.
I don't even mind if we are not so good the next couple years. But we haven't been a well coached team in so long that even watching on TV has been a waste of time. This was the right call.
Wojo appears to be a great person, just not a good basketball coach.
If still feeling really sorry for Wojo, he got 7 years of being paid millions for crapty results and a going away package of likely $9-$10M.
Mean while, MU got 7 years of crapty results and starting over...
Quote from: warriors78 on March 19, 2021, 01:12:27 PM
best recruiting coach MU ever had and in a year where Kentucky, Duke and Michigan Sate are not in the tournament he gets fired? last year they could have been bounced in the first round, but had talent to make elite 8 so we'll never know. this year was a waste and a strong FR class and good incoming class next year are all but gone. guess it's back to the Mike Deane years or worse we'll be the next DePaul in the conference
mike deane had more success...
Quote from: MU82 on March 19, 2021, 02:40:04 PM
If you truly believe the current coach is not the right person to continue to guide your program, you make him your former coach. Period.
Wojo had to go.
You don't worry that you might pick somebody worse. That's defeatist. You have confidence in yourselves as administrators. College basketball is a big, wide world with a lot of fine coaches. You assume you will find one, the right one. No doubt, you already have a list going, and maybe even have made some initial contacts with agents.
You also can't worry about players who might transfer or recruits who might de-commit. I go in expecting DJ, Garcia, Lewis, Mitchell and Aidoo to go elsewhere. If one or more of them stay with Marquette, I will consider each to be a very pleasant surprise.
There will be painful moments to the rebuild, and it almost surely will take years no matter who we hire. Most Scoopers think Buzz is a very good coach; he just wrapped up Year 2 at TAMU and they suck. Underwood deserves all the praise he has received for his work at Illinois, but it's taken him 4 years to get here. Etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.
If we hire the right coach, it will have been worth the wait. If we don't, we'll be back here talking about this stuff 3 or 4 or 5 (or 7!) years from now.
We Are Marquette!
God I hope not. If it takes that long Al and I just might have a long talk with the Big Guy to turn the program around and getting you to see the light.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 19, 2021, 01:56:50 PM
Not quite the doomsday scenario you're implying with instant transfers this year. Yes ideally Mitchell Aidoo DJ Lewis and Garcia would all return/arrive. However your point is essentially the sunk cost fallacy for businesses.
I'm not saying that it was wrong to fire Wojo. Just saying that that's only the first step to stop the bleeding. The turnaround happens with the RIGHT hire, not just any hire. Keep the current guys, bring his own guys, I don't care. But we all know "anyone but Wojo" is not the full answer to this problem.
Sure Wojo got talent in the door, but didnt do anything with it. What good is a recruiter if you cant use the talent?
Sad and Terrible is exactly how to describe Wojo's performance over 7 grueling
years. Sorry you missed it.
Quote from: warriors78 on March 19, 2021, 01:12:27 PM
best recruiting coach MU ever had and in a year where Kentucky, Duke and Michigan Sate are not in the tournament he gets fired? last year they could have been bounced in the first round, but had talent to make elite 8 so we'll never know. this year was a waste and a strong FR class and good incoming class next year are all but gone. guess it's back to the Mike Deane years or worse we'll be the next DePaul in the conference
Best recruiting coach? What about Al or Crean or O'Neil. All 3 did better with their recruits than Wojo-Dukiet!
Quote from: Heisenberg v2.0 on March 19, 2021, 01:31:31 PM
Not really, MU has recruited 4 MCD AA in its history, Wojo got two. He was getting talent.
But, on the other side, he was not the next Jay Wright or Kevin Willard either.
If you can't win with them, it doesn't matter.
Quote from: Heisenberg v2.0 on March 19, 2021, 01:15:46 PM
It depends on who they hire to replace him. But I agree, the crowd celebrating the Wojo firing have no idea that this is the most dangerous period for MU basketball since Dukiet.
If MU screws up this next hire, we are at risk of becoming the next Depaul
This.
Quote from: MomofMUltiples on March 19, 2021, 03:10:15 PM
I'm not saying that it was wrong to fire Wojo. Just saying that that's only the first step to stop the bleeding. The turnaround happens with the RIGHT hire, not just any hire. Keep the current guys, bring his own guys, I don't care. But we all know "anyone but Wojo" is not the full answer to this problem.
Yep. And with some of the names being thrown out there, it seems like a lot of people simply want us to hire "anyone but Wojo."
Quote from: panda on March 19, 2021, 01:19:41 PM
Exactly. The status quo was not working. Maybe in year 12 Wojo would've pulled it off.
I would have taken the "over" on 12.
Just glad it's no longer a topic of discussion.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 19, 2021, 02:03:49 PM
I'm worried as well. Everyone assumes we'll make a home run hire...but it's a lot easier to get a bloop single or even strike out.
If we go into the summer without DJ, DJ, JFL and the new recruits, the new guy will have a lot to prove in a hurry.
Wojo made one tournament appearance (10 seed, blown out), an NIT appearance, and missed the postseason twice entirely in his first four years and no one batted an eye.
Why would things change this time around?
Quote from: warriors78 on March 19, 2021, 01:12:27 PM
best recruiting coach MU ever had and in a year where Kentucky, Duke and Michigan Sate are not in the tournament he gets fired? last year they could have been bounced in the first round, but had talent to make elite 8 so we'll never know. this year was a waste and a strong FR class and good incoming class next year are all but gone. guess it's back to the Mike Deane years or worse we'll be the next DePaul in the conference
I am in agreement with Warriors78 on this. Am dissapointed in the decision to relieve Wojo of head coaching duties. Next year with Wojo could have been very special.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on March 19, 2021, 10:52:28 PM
Wojo made one tournament appearance (10 seed, blown out), an NIT appearance, and missed the postseason twice entirely in his first four years and no one batted an eye.
Why would things change this time around?
Agreed, Orange. I don't get why he was somehow the exception, and why he was given such a long leash by such a large portion of the fan base. I don't know that I've ever seen a guy lauded for so much who accomplished so little. Factor in what he was paid, and it was truly absurd.
Quote from: CowtownWarrior on March 19, 2021, 11:11:06 PM
I am in agreement with Warriors78 on this. Am dissapointed in the decision to relieve Wojo of head coaching duties. Next year with Wojo could have been very special.
What was it like growing up with Wojo as a younger brother?
Quote from: CowtownWarrior on March 19, 2021, 11:11:06 PM
I am in agreement with Warriors78 on this. Am dissapointed in the decision to relieve Wojo of head coaching duties. Next year with Wojo could have been very special.
This is Chico or Dodds. Although Dodds is such a company man that he'll slurp whoever's hired next. Very strange.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on March 19, 2021, 10:52:28 PM
Wojo made one tournament appearance (10 seed, blown out), an NIT appearance, and missed the postseason twice entirely in his first four years and no one batted an eye.
Why would things change this time around?
You are missing my point. I didn't say anything about things changing this time around. I was simply saying I am worried because there is always a chance we might hire someone who does even worse.
And yeah; that is possible.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 19, 2021, 01:17:18 PM
It's unrealistic not to acknowledge that this could end up looking like a terrible move for Marquette.
However, I'm putting trust in the admin to make the right moves, and find a charismatic X's & O's guy that can lead the team.
True. Risk with any new hire. Wojo could land on his feet somewhere and figure it out. Only time will tell. But the move had to be made.
Get outta here....that is all you cried about.
You got what you wanted...unreal. He did a great job under the circumstances.
Now I laugh when half the team transfers....AND NOW YOU STILL WONT WIN!!!
Quote from: CowtownWarrior on March 19, 2021, 11:11:06 PM
I am in agreement with Warriors78 on this. Am dissapointed in the decision to relieve Wojo of head coaching duties. Next year with Wojo could have been very special.
Have heard the next year special refrain for 7 yrars.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 20, 2021, 12:12:49 AM
You are missing my point. I didn't say anything about things changing this time around. I was simply saying I am worried because there is always a chance we might hire someone who does even worse.
And yeah; that is possible.
Respectfully, if you're an AD and/or school president, I don't think fear of failure is a reason you keep a coach in whom you have lost confidence.
Yes, we could do worse. But if you're a P6 AD, you have confidence in your own ability to choose a coach who will do better.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 19, 2021, 03:39:23 PM
Best recruiting coach? What about Al or Crean or O'Neil. All 3 did better with their recruits than Wojo-Dukiet!
Agreed. I would include Buzz in that conversation also.
Quote from: MU82 on March 20, 2021, 07:19:38 AM
Respectfully, if you're an AD and/or school president, I don't think fear of failure is a reason you keep a coach in whom you have lost confidence.
Yes, we could do worse. But if you're a P6 AD, you have confidence in your own ability to choose a coach who will do better.
100%
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 20, 2021, 12:12:49 AM
You are missing my point. I didn't say anything about things changing this time around. I was simply saying I am worried because there is always a chance we might hire someone who does even worse.
And yeah; that is possible.
Oh I agree, it's entirely possible the next guy is worse, but the idea that he has to win right away or else the fans will revolt is wildly overblown, since Wojo sure as hell didn't and people fell all over themselves defending him. Every fan base has a contingent of fans who want the coach gone. That's just how it goes.