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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: MuggsyB on March 10, 2021, 04:00:44 PM
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Overall grades today:
Offense? F
Defense? F
Intangibles? F
Coaching? F
Effort and tenacity? F
I'm thoroughly disappointed. This reaffirmed our program is on the road to nowhere. It goes well beyond some very poor shooting. We are piss poor fundamentally on both ends of the floor and it's not just Freshmen. I saw lethargy and very little will to compete. This was inexcusable even among past inexcusable performances. I believe this will be blown up but we are pretty much at rock bottom as a program right now.
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Koby......zero points......
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Rebounding....F
Shooting....F
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Getting deep dicked by Georgetown... A+
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Overall grades today:
Offense? F
Defense? F
Intangibles? F
Coaching? F
Effort and tenacity? F
I'm thoroughly disappointed. This reaffirmed our program is on the road to nowhere. It goes well beyond some very poor shooting. We are piss poor fundamentally on both ends of the floor and it's not just Freshmen. I saw lethargy and very little will to compete. This was inexcusable even among past inexcusable performances. I believe this will be blown up but we are pretty much at rock bottom as a program right now.
couldn't watch due to work and meetings, but during a break, I got a text from my wife saying "Looks like MU is in “Ah, f*ck it” mode." All I needed to know...
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Maybe the team knows something??
They quit. No will ,,,,
Is WOJO gone ? Are the kiss ups and apologists wrong ?
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MU was out hustled, out played in every way. It did look like the team quit today. It's one thing to miss shots it's another thing to get out hustled like they did today.
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MU was out hustled, out played in every way. It did look like the team quit today. It's one thing to miss shots it's another thing to get out hustled like they did today.
Exactly right. They looked checked-out at times today.
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Very tough to watch, but ultimately, oh well. Tough year for everyone and its very unfair to get mad at 18-20year olds playing basketball.
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The 2 close cropped head shots of Wojo on the sidelines said "I give up!". Let's hope he has. Time for a new gig.
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Not mad at anyone but I am ok if everyone leaves and we start over.
This program needs a reboot.
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Very tough to watch, but ultimately, oh well. Tough year for everyone and its very unfair to get mad at 18-20year olds playing basketball.
This is where I am at. This was a really tough year on all the kids playing ball this year. Successes or not.
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there is no argument for retaining wojo, if you actually care about the basketball program. we have more than enough evidence that he is not going to work
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What’s the argument again for
Wojo return??
He has destroyed MU HOOPS
We are at the bottom of BEand split games w / Gtown and D Paul
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We just got absolutely smoked by the team that was picked to finish last in the Big East. Ugh.
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Before the season I was leaving ProJo. I said on this board that we had the talent that we should not finish behind any of:
St. John's
DePaul
Butler
G-town
Providence
If we did, my position would change.
Well, we finished behind three of those, basically tied with Butler, and lost at home to a DePaul team that didn't even have a game until last December due to COVID.
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Overall grades today:
Offense? F
Defense? F
Intangibles? F
Coaching? F
Effort and tenacity? F
I'm thoroughly disappointed. This reaffirmed our program is on the road to nowhere. It goes well beyond some very poor shooting. We are piss poor fundamentally on both ends of the floor and it's not just Freshmen. I saw lethargy and very little will to compete. This was inexcusable even among past inexcusable performances. I believe this will be blown up but we are pretty much at rock bottom as a program right now.
Yes, thoroughly defeated and I don't have any hope for a brighter future :( :( :(
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Nothing stood out more to me today than the look the bench had with about four minutes left. The outcome was long ago decided, but the body language screamed “we quit”. For me personally, that was one of the lowest moments I can recall as an MU fan.
For whatever reason, this loss bothers me more than most. Something is really rotten with MU basketball.
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Donny Marshall in the FS1 picture at halftime and after the game couldn't even spin it in a positive light about Wojo.
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Nothing stood out more to me today than the look the bench had with about four minutes left. The outcome was long ago decided, but the body language screamed “we quit”. For me personally, that was one of the lowest moments I can recall as an MU fan.
Excellent point and I think it's part of the reason why as fans this is
rock bottom. I didn't like the body language all game long frankly.
For whatever reason, this loss bothers me more than most. Something is really rotten with MU basketball.
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Donny Marshall in the FS1 picture at halftime and after the game couldn't even spin it in a positive light about Wojo.
He was also honest after the game unlike Lavin. "Marquette has no identity". 100% correct by DM.
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Just thinking about year 8 of Wojo with a top 5 pick playing in Milwaukee for a college not named MU.
Brutality
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Nothing stood out more to me today than the look the bench had with about four minutes left. The outcome was long ago decided, but the body language screamed “we quit”. For me personally, that was one of the lowest moments I can recall as an MU fan.
For whatever reason, this loss bothers me more than most. Something is really rotten with MU basketball.
That something has a name: Wojo. In the next 10 days, we will find out how many players enter the portal, and possibly if the incoming recruits abandon ship. We will also learn whether or not Wojo is fired or finds a new job. His reign has turned into a nuclear meltdown.
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Nothing stood out more to me today than the look the bench had with about four minutes left. The outcome was long ago decided, but the body language screamed “we quit”. For me personally, that was one of the lowest moments I can recall as an MU fan.
For whatever reason, this loss bothers me more than most. Something is really rotten with MU basketball.
My question is why? The team was on somewhat of an upswing. They looked engaged against X. There was no other indication in prior games of the team quitting.
Did Wojo find out he was being released? Did a player or players reveal they werent coming back? Did someone write a letter?
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recorded the game. Just finshed watching. it took a bout ten mins to watch cuz i fast kept fast forwarding every few mins to see if they would make it close and they didnt.. I was just deflated and disguested. PAthetic end to this crap show seasnon. sersiouly wTF was thaT???? cant even play a remoetly reptivitve game to G town. god i havent read any other posts yet. i pray there arent excuses defending this s hit or wojo. goodbye koby holy hell. Guess cya next year wojo sadly..
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I don't think they quit today. Maybe down 20+ with four minutes left the bench was dejected, realizing their season was over. The team was diving for loose balls throughout the second half.
They sucked today. Everyone gets an F grade. But I didn't question the effort, particularly in the second half.
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My question is why? The team was on somewhat of an upswing. They looked engaged against X. There was no other indication in prior games of the team quitting.
Did Wojo find out he was being released? Did a player or players reveal they werent coming back? Did someone write a letter?
I agree that something else may be going on, even though I admittedly have no solid evidence. I can imagine the first 2 suggestions/questions you offered but I'm hoping that you meant to put "write a letter" in teal.
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I don't think they quit today. Maybe down 20+ with four minutes left the bench was dejected, realizing their season was over. The team was diving for loose balls throughout the second half.
They sucked today. Everyone gets an F grade. But I didn't question the effort, particularly in the second half.
Carton postgame on what went wrong today: “A lot of it had to do with our effort.”
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I don't think they quit today. Maybe down 20+ with four minutes left the bench was dejected, realizing their season was over. The team was diving for loose balls throughout the second half.
They sucked today. Everyone gets an F grade. But I didn't question the effort, particularly in the second half.
Maybe you were watching a different game.
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My question is why? The team was on somewhat of an upswing. They looked engaged against X. There was no other indication in prior games of the team quitting.
Did Wojo find out he was being released? Did a player or players reveal they werent coming back? Did someone write a letter?
i don't think there is a single smoking gun. Unfortunately there are a of lot issues with the program to conclude Wojo, while a nice guy and apparently a hard worker, is in over his head at MU. As I tell many of my employees that I let go; "Not every job is right for everybody. You're a good person who needs to find the right job with the right company. Best of luck"
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Carton postgame on what went wrong today: “A lot of it had to do with our effort.”
veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrry interesting quote.
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Carton postgame on what went wrong today: “A lot of it had to do with our effort.”
To Carton’s credit, I thought he played with a ton of effort despite the turnovers and otherwise sloppy play.
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Carton postgame on what went wrong today: “A lot of it had to do with our effort.”
Wow! Honest and concerning.
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I agree that something else may be going on, even though I admittedly have no solid evidence. I can imagine the first 2 suggestions/questions you offered but I'm hoping that you meant to put "write a letter" in teal.
Lol. I didnt think I had to put it in teal. I was thinking more along the lines of some discontent of some type.
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To Carton’s credit, I thought he played with a ton of effort despite the turnovers and otherwise sloppy play.
That goes for McEwen, too. I know he has been more bad than good this year, but I never got the feeling that guy wasn't playing his hardest. Hard for me to have any animosity toward a guy like him.
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Carton postgame on what went wrong today: “A lot of it had to do with our effort.”
In the first half, I agree. Especially rebounding effort.
Watching the 2nd half I didn't see anyone dogging it.
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To Carton’s credit, I thought he played with a ton of effort despite the turnovers and otherwise sloppy play.
He played with effort, especially the blocks, but 8 turnovers leading to 12 points was absolutely brutal. Not NBA ready and needs to do it the entire game. I really hope he returns.
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20-4 on second chance points but 16-0 at half. This team was not prepared.
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I'm not getting the "team quit" logic. Guys diving for loose balls, scrapping to force jump balls, playing aggressive (but poor) defense. We had a sh*ttastic performance from both players and coaches but I'm not seeing any evidence of quitting.
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My question is why? The team was on somewhat of an upswing. They looked engaged against X. There was no other indication in prior games of the team quitting.
Did Wojo find out he was being released? Did a player or players reveal they werent coming back? Did someone write a letter?
Last home game for the seniors and playing in front of their families, perhaps. I could see playing that X game for themselves and each other. Last hurrah so to speak before bowing out. Certainly looked that way in the first half today.
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Regarding the topic: "That was embarrassing"
Are you talking about today or much of the last seven years?
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Very tough to watch, but ultimately, oh well. Tough year for everyone and its very unfair to get mad at 18-20year olds playing basketball.
This isn't on the players.
It's on the floor-slapping fraud of a coach.
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I'm not getting the "team quit" logic. Guys diving for loose balls, scrapping to force jump balls, playing aggressive (but poor) defense. We had a sh*ttastic performance from both players and coaches but I'm not seeing any evidence of quitting.
You're a big stat guy. What is the single stat that reflects a team's effort? I would argue its rebounds, particularly offensive rebounds.
There was a big disparity in rebounds and offensive rebounds in this game.
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Nothing stood out more to me today than the look the bench had with about four minutes left. The outcome was long ago decided, but the body language screamed “we quit”. For me personally, that was one of the lowest moments I can recall as an MU fan.
For whatever reason, this loss bothers me more than most. Something is really rotten with MU basketball.
Toss up between today and the day we learned that Bob Dukiet's ENTIRE recruiting class was not admitted to MU.
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Toss up between today and the day we learned that Bob Dukiet's ENTIRE recruiting class was not admitted to MU.
Can Wojo play the piano? Asking for a friend that runs a retirement home here in Florida.
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Carton has been one of the few players that looks like he belongs in the Big East. Love his fight.
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I'm not getting the "team quit" logic. Guys diving for loose balls, scrapping to force jump balls, playing aggressive (but poor) defense. We had a sh*ttastic performance from both players and coaches but I'm not seeing any evidence of quitting.
I would say more that they came out not ready to play more than they quit. Thought the effort that was lacking in the first half was better in the second.
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They were flinging themselves around in the first half, too. They just missed everything. Every loose ball, every rebound, every shot. Shots they wanted.
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I'm going to disagree about the consistent effort throughout the game. In stretches we went after balls but it wasn't there from the tip. Schematically I still have no fking clue why we are doubling 35 feet from the rim, and all over the floor, because we were molasses slow to recover. There were rebounds where all of our guys were standing around, not boxing out, and looked like matadors. I don't think they have been taught how to play hard with any consistency whatsoever. Slow to react, way too upright, weak traps, poor anticipation, and basically going through the motions and catatonic play.
I would say more that they came out not ready to play more than they quit. Thought the effort that was lacking in the first half was better in the second.
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I absolutely do not believe the team quit. Carton and Lewis were hitting the floor all night. Cain, McEwen were mixing it up. Even Elliott and Torrence. DJ had some absolutely amazing hustle plays, even after the game was decided.
The bench was dead with 4 minutes left? Well, yeah. We were getting their arses kicked and the outcome was not in doubt; the guys were deflated. That is NOT the same as the team quitting. Get that shyte outta here.
As for DJ's quote, folks shouldn't read too much into it. Athletes and coaches use the word "effort" in all kinds of ways. Most commonly, it's a synonym for "We sucked."
This program has a world of problems, and it starts with the head coach, who should have been fired right after the DePaul loss. I do not believe having a bunch of "quitters" is one of our problems, though.
I hate to see people label these kids as "quitters," especially because I don't think it's close to being true.
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They didn't quit. They just didn't seem mentally present. A lot of standing around and watching rebounds. Little movement on offense. Slow on defensive rotations.
The problem is I have seen this a lot with Wojo teams. They just have games where they seem mentally elsewhere.
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I absolutely do not believe the team quit. Carton and Lewis were hitting the floor all night. Cain, McEwen were mixing it up. Even Elliott and Torrence. DJ had some absolutely amazing hustle plays, even after the game was decided.
The bench was dead with 4 minutes left? Well, yeah. We were getting their arses kicked and the outcome was not in doubt; the guys were deflated. That is NOT the same as the team quitting. Get that shyte outta here.
As for DJ's quote, folks shouldn't read too much into it. Athletes and coaches use the word "effort" in all kinds of ways. Most commonly, it's a synonym for "We sucked."
This program has a world of problems, and it starts with the head coach, who should have been fired right after the DePaul loss. I do not believe having a bunch of "quitters" is one of our problems, though.
I hate to see people label these kids as "quitters," especially because I don't think it's close to being true.
They aren't "quilters" but there is zero leadership or accountability from the HC. You could see Wojo's expressions through the mask. They showed a man absolutely clueless, resigned, apathetic, and without any wherewithal how to coach this particular group in an elimination game.
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They aren't "quilters" but there is zero leadership or accountability from the HC. You could see Wojo's expressions through the mask. They showed a man absolutely clueless, resigned, apathetic, and without any wherewithal how to coach this particular group in an elimination game.
That all might be true. He certainly hasn't demonstrated otherwise, and he should be gone.
It's light years away from accusing our athletes of quitting, as some have not only suggested but come right out and said.
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Yep. You could see him willing his shorthanded team into shooting poorly, rebounding poorly, and getting barely beat to loose balls. You could see him holding back all those capable options off the bench. .500 team, Muggsy. My prediction to you when I thought Dexter was going to be good. That was based on my opinion of their talent as well as my belief that Wojo is no better than an average coach.
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That all might be true. He certainly hasn't demonstrated otherwise, and he should be gone.
It's light years away from accusing our athletes of quitting, as some have not only suggested but come right out and said.
Quitters may be the wrong word, but a coach losing his team is real. For the first time all year that's what it looked like. You can get on your high horse all you want, but that was an abysmal performance and that team was getting beat to rebounds and lose balls all game.
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Yep. You could see him willing his shorthanded team into shooting poorly, rebounding poorly, and getting barely beat to loose balls. You could see him holding back all those capable options off the bench. .500 team, Muggsy. My prediction to you when I thought Dexter was going to be good. That was based on my opinion of their talent as well as my belief that Wojo is no better than an average coach.
Of course the anemic shooting in the first half wasn't his fault Tower but we played tentatively and without direction. Wojo is also responsible for the entire construction of this roster. The fact is there was never any urgency in the first half to be more aggressive and get to the line, or Garcia on the block, or implore Carton to take the mid-range or floater after he hit one to start the game. We missed open shots, yes. Nevertheless, we played tight and without the proper focus or purpose.
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Yep. You could see him willing his shorthanded team into shooting poorly, rebounding poorly, and getting barely beat to loose balls. You could see him holding back all those capable options off the bench. .500 team, Muggsy. My prediction to you when I thought Dexter was going to be good. That was based on my opinion of their talent as well as my belief that Wojo is no better than an average coach.
Honest question. At what point is the coach accountable for the performance of the team. According to you we wouldn't even need a coach. Bottom line they played like ass today against a below average big east team. Who takes responsibility for that?
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Quitters may be the wrong word, but a coach losing his team is real. For the first time all year that's what it looked like. You can get on your high horse all you want, but that was an abysmal performance and that team was getting beat to rebounds and lose balls all game.
We will respectfully agree to disagree about Wojo "losing the team."
Glad you agree that they didn't quit, because they didn't.
If saying these athletes didn't quit is me getting on my high horse, then giddyap!
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Yep. You could see him willing his shorthanded team into shooting poorly, rebounding poorly, and getting barely beat to loose balls. You could see him holding back all those capable options off the bench. .500 team, Muggsy. My prediction to you when I thought Dexter was going to be good. That was based on my opinion of their talent as well as my belief that Wojo is no better than an average coach.
sub .500 in conference
0 NCAA tourney wins
0 BE conference titles
0 BET Finals appearances
7 years
Take your apologist word salad elsewhere.
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sub .500 in conference
0 NCAA tourney wins
0 BE conference titles
0 BET Finals appearances
7 years
Take your apologist word salad elsewhere.
5dolla will be pro jo after next season. u heard it here first
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I believe they mentally and emotionally quit, and I say that for a variety of reasons.
They missed (almost literally) everything in the first half, it clearly impacted them mentally (Carton admitted it) on the defensive end. Long season, playing in the early afternoon game on the Wednesday of the conference tournament, and the body language at the end was clear as day.
I don’t think it was a coincidence what my eyes were telling me and Carton admitting they lacked effort. They still tried and competed, but this team was 100% emotionally and mentally toast. I don’t think that’s on the players either, I think it’s the environment.
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I believe they mentally and emotionally quit, and I say that for a variety of reasons.
They missed (almost literally) everything in the first half, it clearly impacted them mentally (Carton admitted it) on the defensive end. Long season, playing in the early afternoon game on the Wednesday of the conference tournament, and the body language at the end was clear as day.
I don’t think it was a coincidence what my eyes were telling me and Carton admitting they lacked effort. They still tried and competed, but this team was 100% emotionally and mentally toast. I don’t think that’s on the players either, I think it’s the environment.
What do mean by "environment"
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5dolla will be pro jo after next season. u heard it here first
If he's coaching somewhere else, I am sure you will be right.
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What do mean by "environment"
Coaching (or lack thereof). People know when they have a manager that is in over his head.
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Wojo has never made a team better than the sum of its parts. Full stop. He had an unbalanced roster this year. Two unused scholarships. No wings. Needed a 4th big. That is on Wojo.
A couple of players didn't live up to expectations. That is just part of life. So suddenly, a deep three big guard offense to try to hide the lack of depth up front was no longer an option.
Guards not being able to connect passes is part coaching, part the guards, and part switching the offense away from a true 4 out, part not having the normal amount of time to fully implement it. Spacing was different.
The chronic poor shooting is not that surprising. Any Markus shot was really better than anybody else shooting.
I think Bailey could have helped this team. His unexpected departure and the lack of a suitable replacement highlights one of my consistent criticisms of Wojo, lack of switchables.
But more, it highlights a second weakness of his recruiting style, which is a lack of adaptability when something goes sideways. He never seems to have a back up plan.
So, a long way of saying that I think the problem of this season started with roster composition. Which is on Wojo. Which was exacerbated by a team that needed a full off-season more than any other in recent memory didn't get one. And a team without depth had injuries. Add Wojo being unable to be an alchemist and no better than an average coach and you get what this season was. Consistent with the roster make up. More impacted by injuries. Beholden to the performance of young players and role players.
Wildly inconsistent because Wojo needs to have Duke level talent to succeed. Like I worried about when he was hired.
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Coaching (or lack thereof). People know when they have a manager that is in over his head.
Ok that's what I thought and that is exactly how I feel about their performance today.
That's what I mean by losing the team. Once a team gets to that point there is no going back.
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Wojo has never made a team better than the sum of its parts. Full stop. He had an unbalanced roster this year. Two unused scholarships. No wings. Needed a 4th big. That is on Wojo.
A couple of players didn't live up to expectations. That is just part of life. So suddenly, a deep three big guard offense to try to hide the lack of depth up front was no longer an option.
Guards not being able to connect passes is part coaching, part the guards, and part switching the offense away from a true 4 out, part not having the normal amount of time to fully implement it. Spacing was different.
The chronic poor shooting is not that surprising. Any Markus shot was really better than anybody else shooting.
I think Bailey could have helped this team. His unexpected departure and the lack of a suitable replacement highlights one of my consistent criticisms of Wojo, lack of switchables.
But more, it highlights a second weakness of his recruiting style, which is a lack of adaptability when something goes sideways. He never seems to have a back up plan.
So, a long way of saying that I think the problem of this season started with roster composition. Which is on Wojo. Which was exacerbated by a team that needed a full off-season more than any other in recent memory didn't get one. Add Wojo being unable to be an alchemist and no better than an average coach and you get what this season was. Consistent with the roster make up. More impacted by injuries. Beholden to the performance of young players and role players.
Wildly inconsistent because Wojo needs to have Duke level talent to succeed. Like I worried about when he was hired.
Wow that's an awesome excuse essay.
I am calling BS on not having enough time to implement the offense. Every team was in the same boat. You can teach 6th graders an offense in a week, why would it take all season? I agree with your other points. My problem with Wojo is THIS IS YEAR 7, And he is still in over his head.
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Read the last sentence.
I've taught multiple middles school teams offense. Boys and girls. If you have players who listen, then you can install part of an offense over the course of 10 preseason practices.
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Wow that's an awesome excuse essay.
What? He pretty much laid out WHY the failures are on Wojo. How could you not see that?
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What? He pretty much laid out WHY the failures are on Wojo. How could you not see that?
Not enough vitriol.
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Wildly inconsistent because Wojo needs to have Duke level talent to succeed.
There is no evidence that this is true.
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What? He pretty much laid out WHY the failures are on Wojo. How could you not see that?
Did you read what I wrote, I agreed with his points except the point about having time to implement the offense. And yes lots of excuses in there also.
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There is no evidence that this is true.
That he could succeed with Duke talent?
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sub .500 in conference
0 NCAA tourney wins
0 BE conference titles
0 BET Finals appearances
7 years
Take your apologist word salad elsewhere.
Sub .500 BE record 4 years and at .500 BE record 1 year. Add to it his best year ending conf play with 4 straight losses. Just has to be done.
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Read the last sentence.
I've taught multiple middles school teams offense. Boys and girls. If you have players who listen, then you can install part of an offense over the course of 10 preseason practices.
As have I, for 40 years, and yes it depends on the individual team. In 10 practices a grade school team should be able to pick up a new offense, but we are talking about D1 college athletes, it shouldn't take a full season.
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That he could succeed with Duke talent?
Yes
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Did you read what I wrote, I agreed with his points except the point about having time to implement the offense. And yes lots of excuses in there also.
No. After the first sentence I didn’t bother.
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We can beat this around forever. I agree that a basic offense can be taught in a few practices. All of the permutations can take months. Today, we had Greg setting high ball screens. Do you think he practiced that all year?
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No. After the first sentence I didn’t bother.
Well that explains alot.
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There is no evidence that this is true.
Agreed. I don't think Wojo could be successful with Duke level talent.
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Years back I was fired from a sales job. I tried like heck but just didn’t produce enough. Didn’t hit the numbers. Boss approached me one day and said they had to let me go. I understood. No hard feelings. In fact, still friends with that boss. Wojo? Didn’t hit the numbers. Tried like heck but it didn’t work out. No hard feelings but we have to let you go. Oh, and unlike the sales guy (me), Wojo will get some nice walk-away money.
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My question is why? The team was on somewhat of an upswing. They looked engaged against X. There was no other indication in prior games of the team quitting.
Did Wojo find out he was being released? Did a player or players reveal they werent coming back? Did someone write a letter?
Their defense started out fine but they couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn. They then started passing up good shots to drive the lane and turned the ball over. Nothing on offense was working. It started to effect their defense. Georgetown hit a couple of difficult shots then got some easy ones and their confidence never waned. Marquette’s confidence left them. The rout was on. Game over.
This happens all the time in basketball to every team. The team maybe quit at the very end when it was clearly over but not before then.
It just seems to happen more to us the last few years. Is it coaching? Is it talent? Probably both. I don’t think the team quit before the game though.
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Overall grades today:
Offense? F
Defense? F
Intangibles? F
Coaching? F
Effort and tenacity? F
I'm thoroughly disappointed. This reaffirmed our program is on the road to nowhere. It goes well beyond some very poor shooting. We are piss poor fundamentally on both ends of the floor and it's not just Freshmen. I saw lethargy and very little will to compete. This was inexcusable even among past inexcusable performances. I believe this will be blown up but we are pretty much at rock bottom as a program right now.
Sad but true. Wojo is a nice guy but not a good coach.
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Aside from 3 players, the talent here is mid-major. Add an inept coach and the results are a disaster. Adios mf'er and da horse you rode in on, hey?
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On the bright side, Notre Dame lost to UNC...by 42.
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I am a long time Projo, and now converted to Nojo. Not because of a single thing said on scoop, but because time is up. I wanted so badly for it to work because of the recruiting, but a lot of good the recruiting has done us when the rubber hits the road. It didn't work out. Let's move on.
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Aside from 3 players, the talent here is mid-major. Add an inept coach and the results are a disaster. Adios mf'er and da horse you rode in on, hey?
Aside from those three players, I don't even think the talent is mid major.