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Title: Recruiting to get a full bench - for decent practices if nothing else
Post by: NCMUFan on February 26, 2021, 09:04:29 AM
Since Wojo has been coach, I do not believe he has used all his scholarships up per class.  Also, we have heard the excuse that there are not enough quality players available to practice correctly, leading to excuses of poor execution during games?
Why not recruit to at least have a full bench for decent practices when injuries happen?
A head scratcher for me.
Title: Re: Recruiting to get a full bench - for decent practices if nothing else
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 26, 2021, 09:06:39 AM
Quote from: NCMUFan on February 26, 2021, 09:04:29 AM
Since Wojo has been coach, I do not believe he has used all his scholarships up per class.  Also, we have heard the excuse that there are not enough quality players available to practice correctly, leading to excuses of poor execution during games?
Why not recruit to at least have a full bench for decent practices when injuries happen?
A head scratcher for me.

I've been saying this for years.  Bites us in the ass.....every year. 
Title: Re: Recruiting to get a full bench - for decent practices if nothing else
Post by: Hards Alumni on February 26, 2021, 09:12:18 AM
Quote from: NCMUFan on February 26, 2021, 09:04:29 AM
Since Wojo has been coach, I do not believe he has used all his scholarships up per class.  Also, we have heard the excuse that there are not enough quality players available to practice correctly, leading to excuses of poor execution during games?
Why not recruit to at least have a full bench for decent practices when injuries happen?
A head scratcher for me.

Walk-ons are good enough for practice, plus you get the flexibility with keeping the scholarship open.

If you're just signing a guy to sign a guy, just grab the walk on.  Then there aren't any uncomfortable conversations later on.
Title: Re: Recruiting to get a full bench - for decent practices if nothing else
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on February 26, 2021, 09:21:40 AM
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on February 26, 2021, 09:12:18 AM
Walk-ons are good enough for practice, plus you get the flexibility with keeping the scholarship open.

If you're just signing a guy to sign a guy, just grab the walk on.  Then there aren't any uncomfortable conversations later on.
Anybody that's ever been an athlete knows you improve much more in practice than in games.

Saban sells recruits on being elite in the NFL one day because their practices consist of Eddie Jackson guarding Amari Cooper.

I'm sure whoever is guarding Carton in practice is not helping him improve as much a scholarship player would.
Title: Re: Recruiting to get a full bench - for decent practices if nothing else
Post by: swoopem on February 26, 2021, 09:31:38 AM
What about when guys are tired? It'd be nice to have players step in for the guys who are exhausted all the time
Title: Re: Recruiting to get a full bench - for decent practices if nothing else
Post by: Hards Alumni on February 26, 2021, 09:48:19 AM
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 26, 2021, 09:21:40 AM
Anybody that's ever been an athlete knows you improve much more in practice than in games.

Saban sells recruits on being elite in the NFL one day because their practices consist of Eddie Jackson guarding Amari Cooper.

I'm sure whoever is guarding Carton in practice is not helping him improve as much a scholarship player would.

Okay that confirms it.
Title: Re: Recruiting to get a full bench - for decent practices if nothing else
Post by: tower912 on February 26, 2021, 10:11:18 AM
Agree with the OP.  A long-standing weakness.
Title: Re: Recruiting to get a full bench - for decent practices if nothing else
Post by: panda on February 26, 2021, 10:19:28 AM
Originally, I thought it was a decent strategy to keep a spot or two open for midseason or end of year transfers. But seeing the same depth issues transpire year after year is frustrating.

I know some may disagree, but this is where I think recruiting the state of Wisconsin is so important. A good relationship with AAU programs and HS coaches in the area can lead to diamonds in the rough being suggested to Wojo as project guys moving forward. Ideally, those guys with ties to the area would have more of an emotional attachment to the school/program and be more inclined to grow from bench roles to contributors over a four year span.
Title: Re: Recruiting to get a full bench - for decent practices if nothing else
Post by: naginiF on February 26, 2021, 11:06:24 AM
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on February 26, 2021, 09:48:19 AM
Okay that confirms it.
Confirms what?

That he didn't finance his waterbed, his DVD collection has over 300 titles, he lives in a corner apartment overlooking the fountain with unlimited printing privilege?


**not sure if this reference is mainstream or obscure**
Title: Re: Recruiting to get a full bench - for decent practices if nothing else
Post by: wadesworld on February 26, 2021, 11:13:20 AM
Is there any website that keeps track of how many scholarships a program has out?  I'm guessing most high major programs do not fill all 13 scholarships most years.
Title: Re: Recruiting to get a full bench - for decent practices if nothing else
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on February 26, 2021, 12:17:33 PM
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on February 26, 2021, 09:48:19 AM
Okay that confirms it.

You are disagreeing that athletes learn more inpractice than games?  Or just knee-jerk responding like a marionette?
Title: Re: Recruiting to get a full bench - for decent practices if nothing else
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 26, 2021, 12:24:18 PM
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on February 26, 2021, 12:17:33 PM
You are disagreeing that athletes learn more inpractice than games?  Or just knee-jerk responding like a marionette?

I think he's joking that 5DP is Ners in disguise
Title: Re: Recruiting to get a full bench - for decent practices if nothing else
Post by: BCHoopster on February 26, 2021, 12:37:06 PM
Quote from: panda on February 26, 2021, 10:19:28 AM
Originally, I thought it was a decent strategy to keep a spot or two open for midseason or end of year transfers. But seeing the same depth issues transpire year after year is frustrating.

I know some may disagree, but this is where I think recruiting the state of Wisconsin is so important. A good relationship with AAU programs and HS coaches in the area can lead to diamonds in the rough being suggested to Wojo as project guys moving forward. Ideally, those guys with ties to the area would have more of an emotional attachment to the school/program and be more inclined to grow from bench roles to contributors over a four year span.

If you have a full scholarship table your going to get 3 or 4 kids a year, that will not be to happy.  Not enough playing time, this year out of 10, 2 kids are not ready to play. Luckily, Perez is giving them some minutes. I think 11 is a good number. This upcoming year he might have 13 as some kids might still be not ready.  Plus maybe a transfer, so basically just keep recruiting.
Title: Re: Recruiting to get a full bench - for decent practices if nothing else
Post by: panda on February 26, 2021, 12:41:46 PM
Quote from: BCHoopster on February 26, 2021, 12:37:06 PM
If you have a full scholarship table your going to get 3 or 4 kids a year, that will not be to happy.  Not enough playing time, this year out of 10, 2 kids are not ready to play. Luckily, Perez is giving them some minutes. I think 11 is a good number. This upcoming year he might have 13 as some kids might still be not ready.  Plus maybe a transfer, so basically just keep recruiting.

Players transfer/leave every season regardless of how many scholarships are filled. It's hard to defend the strategy when depth has been an issue almost every season.
Title: Re: Recruiting to get a full bench - for decent practices if nothing else
Post by: Hards Alumni on February 26, 2021, 12:47:09 PM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 26, 2021, 12:24:18 PM
I think he's joking that 5DP is Ners in disguise

Yup!
Title: Re: Recruiting to get a full bench - for decent practices if nothing else
Post by: Hards Alumni on February 26, 2021, 12:48:09 PM
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on February 26, 2021, 12:17:33 PM
You are disagreeing that athletes learn more inpractice than games?  Or just knee-jerk responding like a marionette?

I've never even had a back and forth with 5DP, but I'm always happy to make you dance, sweetheart.  ;D
Title: Re: Recruiting to get a full bench - for decent practices if nothing else
Post by: BCHoopster on February 26, 2021, 12:50:11 PM
Depth is always nice to have, this year they have some depth, but finally Wojo woke up and put Koby on the bench. Players do get hurt, Oso was not ready nor is Dex. Perez gives them some of that, glad Wojo decided to play him. To bad there was not a regular early season which would have helped those 3 players. If Lewis was healthy, they would have a 3 man bench which is enough.  I do agree they need 2 better players with experience to come in next year, no senior class really
Title: Re: Recruiting to get a full bench - for decent practices if nothing else
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on February 26, 2021, 02:02:35 PM
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on February 26, 2021, 09:48:19 AM
Okay that confirms it.
I mean... I'm not trying to say I was any good as an athlete but the concept rings true down to even the most basic level of grade school soccer, basketball, football, whatever.

My point is that not filling out your scholarships because you can get any old walk-on is an even more damaging philosophy than the obvious depth issues it can create.

Also I'm not Ners. Agree or disagree with me, I'd hope you think I'm a bit more well-spoken.
Title: Re: Recruiting to get a full bench - for decent practices if nothing else
Post by: Hards Alumni on February 26, 2021, 02:40:39 PM
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 26, 2021, 02:02:35 PM
I mean... I'm not trying to say I was any good as an athlete but the concept rings true down to even the most basic level of grade school soccer, basketball, football, whatever.

My point is that not filling out your scholarships because you can get any old walk-on is an even more damaging philosophy than the obvious depth issues it can create.

Also I'm not Ners. Agree or disagree with me, I'd hope you think I'm a bit more well-spoken.

Brother, it was a joke. :)
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