Disoriented since the one man show left town or is Wojo a drunken sailor that needs a new port?
If we're looking for a positive, we can now look back at Markus and appreciate his last season even more. Truly incredible to cover up so much ineptitude.
Cancerous.
The Hausers wanted more shots for Theo, Jamal, Greg, Ed and less for Markus. Guess Wojo might've known better.
It was bad enough to blame our best player when he was here, now we're trying to blame his legacy?
Quote from: BLM on February 14, 2021, 07:36:14 PM
The Hausers wanted more shots for Theo, Jamal, Greg, Ed and less for Markus. Guess Wojo might've known better.
thx for correcting me. I was thinking why get more shots for guys that can't hit the ocean from the beach. But the Wooden Award candidate...don't shoot it? Ed, Theo...shoot it? Those Hausers were visionary's.
Markus is ridiculously underappreciated by many scoopers.
Quote from: tower912 on February 14, 2021, 08:14:38 PM
Markus is ridiculously underappreciated by many scoopers.
If he hadn't been tied to closely to Wojo, no doubt people would feel differently. But with Wojo steering us in the wrong direction while leaning so heavily on Markus as a crutch for the last 4 years, there will be some painful memories of Markus' tenure at MU. We may never see a better scorer in the blue and gold, but we will absolutely to see star players lead us to better team results.
But you are right. I'm sure once my Wojo fatigue has worn off some years down the road I'll look back very fondly at Markus' history here. But right now, I have some mixed emotions. One thing is for sure - he was a great kid that represented the university extremely well. No doubts at all about him as a person.
Markus Howard is the poster boy for Wojo's ineptitude. The guy was NEVER coached! Do you people not understand that?
Quote from: BLM on February 14, 2021, 07:36:14 PM
The Hausers wanted more shots for Theo, Jamal, Greg, Ed and less for Markus. Guess Wojo might've known better.
This year Joey would be BMOC at Marquette, oh well.
At least my BLM sticker on my car is getting some knowing nods.
The past 4 years is enough evidence to show wojo the way of old yeller.
I think it is a good team without a star, it happens.
A coach out of his league, literally.
A BOT with dreams of grandure.
A fan base deluded.
A country frustrated.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on February 14, 2021, 09:32:36 PM
Markus Howard is the poster boy for Wojo's ineptitude. The guy was NEVER coached! Do you people not understand that?
Ipso fatso ... a cancer!
Quote from: skianth16 on February 14, 2021, 09:15:48 PM
If he hadn't been tied to closely to Wojo, no doubt people would feel differently. But with Wojo steering us in the wrong direction while leaning so heavily on Markus as a crutch for the last 4 years, there will be some painful memories of Markus' tenure at MU. We may never see a better scorer in the blue and gold, but we will absolutely to see star players lead us to better team results.
But you are right. I'm sure once my Wojo fatigue has worn off some years down the road I'll look back very fondly at Markus' history here. But right now, I have some mixed emotions. One thing is for sure - he was a great kid that represented the university extremely well. No doubts at all about him as a person.
This is the correct take. Anyone demanding unbridled reverence despite his being the Queen in Wojo's awful chess game is not being honest.
I love Markus, appreciate his careeer at MU, and want his number retired. But his talent was used and abused by Wojo to eventually bring us to this point - a program on the brink of relevance. A place we look like we might be for a long...... long time.
Quote from: vogue65 on February 14, 2021, 09:38:56 PM
This year Joey would be BMOC at Marquette, oh well.
At least my BLM sticker on my car is getting some knowing nods.
The same guy that has been pulled from the starting role at MSU the last few games? the guy who was 4-12 and 1-5 from 3 point land Saturday? The guy who was 0-3 and 5 fouls and 1 rebound in 14 minutes against Nebraska?
That guy?
Quote from: pbiflyer on February 14, 2021, 10:22:54 PM
The same guy that has been pulled from the starting role at MSU the last few games? the guy who was 4-12 and 1-5 from 3 point land Saturday? The guy who was 0-3 and 5 fouls and 1 rebound in 14 minutes against Nebraska?
That guy?
Only if Wojo is a better coach than Izzo!
Quote from: pbiflyer on February 14, 2021, 10:22:54 PM
The same guy that has been pulled from the starting role at MSU the last few games? the guy who was 4-12 and 1-5 from 3 point land Saturday? The guy who was 0-3 and 5 fouls and 1 rebound in 14 minutes against Nebraska?
That guy?
Yep, that guy. In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king, or, big fish in little pond.
Whatever, at MSU it's just reality check time for the family. Time for sunny to transfer again?
People have said Wojo is Crean without Wade. I disagree. He had four years of his Wade, but he couldn't get the same results out of his team that Crean did.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 15, 2021, 07:21:45 AM
People have said Wojo is Crean without Wade. I disagree. He had four years of his Wade, but he couldn't get the same results out of his team that Crean did.
Yep - that is one of the more crazy comparisons I've seen. I'm glad it was resoundingly shut down whenever it was brought up.
Quote from: tower912 on February 14, 2021, 08:14:38 PM
Markus is ridiculously underappreciated by many scoopers.
Agreed!
Quote from: panda on February 15, 2021, 07:34:26 AM
Yep - that is one of the more crazy comparisons I've seen. I'm glad it was resoundingly shut down whenever it was brought up.
Maybe a better comparison would be Dukiet is Wojo without Markus
Quote from: dinger on February 15, 2021, 08:47:51 AM
Maybe a better comparison would be Dukiet is Wojo without Markus
I'd been saying "The Arkansas Pine Bluff Coach is Wojo without Markus" but this is far better. I plan to steal it.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 15, 2021, 07:21:45 AM
People have said Wojo is Crean without Wade. I disagree. He had four years of his Wade, but he couldn't get the same results out of his team that Crean did.
Markus is not Wade.
I totally appreciated Markus and loved watching him play. When he would get hot, which was often, it was like watching an effen video game.
But he was not Wade, not close.
But if comparing them helps find yet another avenue to rip Wojo - because there aren't quite enough legit reasons to rip him - have at it.
Quote from: BLM on February 15, 2021, 09:14:18 AM
Markus is not Wade.
Nor is Wade Markus.
Markus was a two time All-American. He was a NPOY candidate until his teammates went to crap his senior year. He's a more accomplished college player than Wade was. If he ever had a team around him as good as the 2003 team, he certainly could've had similar NCAA success.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 15, 2021, 10:38:31 AM
Nor is Wade Markus.
Markus was a two time All-American. He was a NPOY candidate until his teammates went to crap his senior year. He's a more accomplished college player than Wade was. If he ever had a team around him as good as the 2003 team, he certainly could've had similar NCAA success.
Wade also only played for 2 years at Marquette and was a First Team All American and top 5 NBA Draft pick. The only thing Markus could do at Wade's level was score the ball. Wade was in a different stratosphere in every other aspect of the game.
Quote from: BLM on February 15, 2021, 10:40:58 AM
Wade also only played for 2 years at Marquette and was a First Team All American and top 5 NBA Draft pick. The only thing Markus could do at Wade's level was score the ball. Wade was in a different stratosphere in every other aspect of the game.
Markus as a junior and senior was comparable to Wade's two years. At least in terms of his level of contribution compared to the rest of his contemporaries. Howard was as impactful in his time as Wade was in his.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 15, 2021, 10:44:52 AM
Markus as a junior and senior was comparable to Wade's two years. At least in terms of his level of contribution compared to the rest of his contemporaries. Howard was as impactful in his time as Wade was in his.
I think you are significantly undervaluing Wade's defense.
Quote from: connie on February 15, 2021, 11:40:56 AM
I think you are significantly undervaluing Wade's defense.
I'd be willing to accept an argument that other great players at Wade's time were better than other great players at Howard's time, like Toppin or Garza. But compared to his peers, at their peaks, Howard was as impactful as Wade.
The idea that you can't compare the two when Howard was the NPOY favorite according to national media before the team collapsed around him is silly. Yes, the level of play with the increase in one-and-dones is lower, but Howard was an absolute monster and one of the five best players in the country, no question.
That's what Wade was, too. But the idea Wojo hasn't had that type of player ignores the best pure scorer in Marquette history being here the last 4 years.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 15, 2021, 10:38:31 AM
Nor is Wade Markus.
Markus was a two time All-American. He was a NPOY candidate until his teammates went to crap his senior year. He's a more accomplished college player than Wade was. If he ever had a team around him as good as the 2003 team, he certainly could've had similar NCAA success.
Every coach in America would pick Wade over Howard.
Quote from: Badgerhater on February 15, 2021, 11:57:35 AM
Every coach in America would pick Wade over Howard.
You completely miss the point.
For anyone else who finds reading an entire post hard, here's the gist:
Wade : Carmelo & Bosh :: Howard : Obi & Garza
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 15, 2021, 11:58:34 AM
You completely miss the point.
There is no point on a message board.