do you try to leave this year? Or do you return and try to thick skin it through next season?
The guys not an idiot and has to see the impending situation of likely losing people after this year and that he's not going to have an ounce of support.
If you're Wojo, you collect every last penny in the contract you have now. You'll never be paid like this again. He's a country club guy - hard to feel bad about any of this when your mind is on the 18th green.
I mean...I'm not sure where he goes. But I hope he goes somewhere else lol. For the good of the program and it's future I hope he doesn't have some saving grace win that justifies to the admin that he needs another chance.
He's very thin skinned. I think he bails after this year.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 10, 2021, 10:13:03 PM
If you're Wojo, you collect every last penny in the contract you have now. You'll never be paid like this again. He's a country club guy - hard to feel bad about any of this when your mind is on the 18th green.
Worse major coaches than him have gotten good gigs. He'll get another one.
He should swallow his pride and go be an assistant under another legendary coach that runs a completely different system than Duke. Then do it again in another 2-3 years before giving HC another go. He's still young and it would do wonders for his career. Ain't gonna happen here though.
He's gone.
Well, we were projected to lose out (or win only one). Despite repeated assurances to the contrary, no way Wojo is allowed to return if/when that happens (unless you want an empty Fiserv next year, or, worse: an arena of boo birds).
I remain convinced Steve will not be our HC next season.
Unfortunately for MU, a total program collapse could literally not have come at a worse time.
He is like the type of guy that would fall on a sword because he's not doing good enough. But at this level no way a guy does that and forgoes a contact of this size. Really don't know who hires him away from us.
I have been hearing rumors that the recent $31 million donation includes a buyout of his contract.
I think his tenure is finally coming to end.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 10, 2021, 10:14:37 PM
Worse major coaches than him have gotten good gigs. He'll get another one.
Oliver Purnell has never been fired. I think he can land at Penn State or Boston College. I hope so at least.
I'm hoping he's just ready for a fresh start. I can't imagine next year will be all the pleasant.
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on February 10, 2021, 10:15:07 PM
He should swallow his pride and go be an assistant under another legendary coach that runs a completely different system than Duke. Then do it again in another 2-3 years before giving HC another go. He's still young and it would do wonders for his career. Ain't gonna happen here though.
I honestly think Wojos best career move is to go back to Duke as an assistant. What if K retired mid-season? He could do what Gard did.
I will miss Garcia,Lewis,and Carton,and Aidoo might have been fun to watch
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on February 10, 2021, 10:15:07 PM
He should swallow his pride and go be an assistant under another legendary coach that runs a completely different system than Duke. Then do it again in another 2-3 years before giving HC another go. He's still young and it would do wonders for his career. Ain't gonna happen here though.
I don't envision him going the assistant ever again. I could see him going to an underperfoming P6 school or an emerging mid major.
Woj will not be fired, but I'm feeling more and more assured he will not return next season. Lots of openings already for next year and he'd be well advised to leave before he kills any chance he has of getting a decent job if he stays one more year.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 10, 2021, 10:14:37 PM
Worse major coaches than him have gotten good gigs. He'll get another one.
He'll get another job, but he'll never be paid like this again. He'll settle into some obscure school where consistent mediocrity is all anyone has ever wanted. Wake Forest. But Wake Forest don't pay like MU.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on February 10, 2021, 10:15:25 PM
Well, we were projected to lose out (or win only one). Despite repeated assurances to the contrary, no way Wojo is allowed to return if/when that happens (unless you want an empty Fiserv next year, or, worse: an arena of boo birds).
I remain convinced Steve will not be our HC next season.
Unfortunately for MU, a total program collapse could literally not have come at a worse time.
You could make an argument that it's a great year for a coaching change. If not many other jobs are open your competition for talent is lower, and with the no-sit transfer rule in effect you could restock pretty quickly with a new regime.
I've said for weeks he's gone. A lot of people talked s***, can't wait for them to eat crow soon.
Quote from: Henry the 6th Kings on February 10, 2021, 10:18:05 PM
I will miss Garcia,Lewis,and Carton,and Aidoo might have been fun to watch
Same here...for about 2 seconds.
A few weeks ago after a loss, one of the things he said in his presser was, "We're young in some key spots. That's not an excuse, but..." Wojo's not an idiot, but when he says stuff like this, it leads me to believe that he doesn't feel responsible for any of this, and doesn't think the losing is his fault. In his opinion, he probably thinks he's doing a great job running a clean program, and all the losing is just one form of bad luck or another.
He may not be our head coach next year, but he's not going to leave for a worse payday. If his buyout is truly $6 million, he'll force MU to make a tough decision. As another poster stated in this thread, he'll never make this kind of money again.
Quote from: mufanatic on February 10, 2021, 10:16:47 PM
I have been hearing rumors that the recent $31 million donation includes a buyout of his contract.
I think his tenure is finally coming to end.
You forgot teal
Quote from: Bad_Reporter on February 10, 2021, 10:19:41 PM
I've said for weeks he's gone. A lot of people talked s***, can't wait for them to eat crow soon.
You said it for weeks...but immediately backpedaled and said you don't expect him to be gone. Stop acting like a victim.
Quote from: WithoutBias on February 10, 2021, 10:22:22 PM
You said it for weeks...but immediately backpedaled and said you don't expect him to be gone. Stop acting like a victim.
Never backpedaled without brains. In fact I said I'd bet on it. It's hard to say 100% he's gone with Scholl and Lovell, but I firmly believe he is.
Want to bet? $1000?
Not to relitigate the potential buyout, but what in the world is the point of a clause like that from MU's perspective? Were we in some type of bidding war for Steve Wojo? It makes no sense - you hamstrung yourself for a guy that should've been on a "prove it" deal. He had no other good options. We folded aces while Wojo was holding a deuce/seven.
Why do people think that a struggling P6 school would want to hire him? Maybe after last season there would've still been a chance. There is ZERO reason to believe it would happen now.
Quote from: mufanatic on February 10, 2021, 10:16:47 PM
I have been hearing rumors that the recent $31 million donation includes a buyout of his contract.
Please let it be so and end this insanity.
Not true
Quote from: Silent Verbal on February 10, 2021, 10:25:38 PM
Why do people think that a struggling P6 school would want to hire him? Maybe after last season there would've still been a chance. There is ZERO reason to believe it would happen now.
Fordham
Quote from: Bad_Reporter on February 10, 2021, 10:24:52 PM
Never backpedaled without brains. In fact I said I'd bet on it. It's hard to say 100% he's gone with Scholl and Lovell, but I firmly believe he is.
Want to bet? $1000?
Again an immediate backpedal.
And no, I don't want to bet.
Quote from: panda on February 10, 2021, 10:28:17 PM
Fordham
I know you're probably joking, but I'd be willing to bet the Fordham coach doesn't even make $500K. Heck, I'm not even sure the last Penn State coach made $1 million per. Wojo's not going to leave for a job like that, nor is he worth the money it would cost those schools to pay his buyout. The only way he's not our coach next year is if MU cans him.
Quote from: WithoutBias on February 10, 2021, 10:29:13 PM
Again an immediate backpedal.
And no, I don't want to bet.
So the same people who agreed to give this bozo a high buy-out, you expect me to have faith in them? Reasonable.
Have a good night
Quote from: cheebs09 on February 10, 2021, 10:17:26 PM
Oliver Purnell has never been fired. I think he can land at Penn State or Boston College. I hope so at least.
I'm hoping he's just ready for a fresh start. I can't imagine next year will be all the pleasant.
I legitimately think he needs a restart as much as Marquette does. At some point he has to realize (I hope) that he's not only doing Marquette a disservice but he's doing himself one as well. The longer this goes the more embarrassing his resume becomes. A restart/rebuild gives him a chance to start from scratch with some some relaxed expectations.
Quote from: Bad_Reporter on February 10, 2021, 10:32:47 PM
So the same people who agreed to give this bozo a high buy-out, you expect me to have faith in them? Reasonable.
Have a good night
Then stop saying "He's gone. I told you all for months and I can't wait for everyone who was talking sh*t to take it back!" You talk like you're in the know, then immediately say "you expect me to trust the people making these decisions?!"
Quote from: mufanatic on February 10, 2021, 10:16:47 PM
I have been hearing rumors that the recent $31 million donation includes a buyout of his contract.
I think his tenure is finally coming to end.
I would get new sources
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 10, 2021, 10:18:28 PM
He'll get another job, but he'll never be paid like this again. He'll settle into some obscure school where consistent mediocrity is all anyone has ever wanted. Wake Forest. But Wake Forest don't pay like MU.
Danny Manning made more than Wojo does. I don't know about the current guy.
Quote from: Bad_Reporter on February 10, 2021, 10:19:41 PM
I've said for weeks he's gone. A lot of people talked s***, can't wait for them to eat crow soon.
He's not yet. He might be. But that trigger is far from pulled.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 10, 2021, 10:24:54 PM
Not to relitigate the potential buyout, but what in the world is the point of a clause like that from MU's perspective? Were we in some type of bidding war for Steve Wojo? It makes no sense - you hamstrung yourself for a guy that should've been on a "prove it" deal. He had no other good options. We folded aces while Wojo was holding a deuce/seven.
All P6 (all D1?) coaches have a buyout clause. It's an industry standard. The buyout is in line with other coaches of Wojo's level.
OK, Mr. Reporter:
Here is the entirety of your posts regarding your "scoops" (or MUScoops, if you will) about Wojo's future:
Quote from: Bad_Reporter on January 31, 2021, 07:06:21 PM
I wouldn't be so sure wojo will be here next year. Maybe y'all have heard differently, but from what I hear it's not so certain.
The above is not a declaration that he's gone. This is you saying you're not certain he'll be back.
Quote from: Bad_Reporter on February 07, 2021, 07:19:14 PM
I said it two games ago, but I firmly believe wojo is gone this year. I'd bet on it.
Actually, 2 games ago you said only that you weren't certain Wojo would be back. Now you are making a firm declaration, though, so that's cool.
Quote from: Bad_Reporter on February 07, 2021, 08:10:36 PM
Sultan and 82,
Time will tell. It's time for a change and not that my opinion means anything to the brass, but others opinions do.
Why the domer is the current AD is another question I have but we shall see what happens.
ND sucks
With the above, you have softened your tone considerably to "Time will tell" and "We shall see" ... both of which are significantly different from "Wojo is gone."
Quote from: Bad_Reporter on February 07, 2021, 08:16:01 PM
If I was to bet, i think he's gone. Hope I'm right, and I'm planning on being wrong.
Here you're saying that IF you bet, you'd bet on him being gone. But you're only HOPING that's true and, in fact, you're PLANNING on it being wrong. You want syrup with those waffles?
Quote from: Bad_Reporter on February 07, 2021, 11:25:23 PM
Anyone care to wager? I've proven many wrong previously. Talk is cheap.
Wager on what? That you're hoping he's gone but planning on being wrong?
Quote from: Bad_Reporter on February 10, 2021, 09:42:36 PM
The good news is wojo will be gone after this year
With the above, you're finally back to a solid statement. That WOULD be good news.
Quote from: Bad_Reporter on February 10, 2021, 09:45:00 PM
He gowne. Be patient, Billy.
- Sydney Dean
And again, firm prediction.
Quote from: Bad_Reporter on February 10, 2021, 09:59:22 PM
Wojo will be gone. Hopefully the players stay because there is talent, just zero coaching.
And again.
Quote from: Bad_Reporter on February 10, 2021, 10:15:13 PM
He's gone.
And again.
Quote from: Bad_Reporter on February 10, 2021, 10:19:41 PM
I've said for weeks he's gone. A lot of people talked s***, can't wait for them to eat crow soon.
Actually, you didn't. Not on Scoop anyway. It was 11 days ago, on Jan. 31, that you only said you "hear it's not so certain" Wojo would be back. And just 3 days ago, on Feb. 7, you were still saying, "Time will tell," and "We shall see what happens," and "Hope I'm right, and I'm planning on being wrong." All of those are many miles from "He's gone."
Quote from: Bad_Reporter on February 10, 2021, 10:24:52 PM
Never backpedaled without brains. In fact I said I'd bet on it. It's hard to say 100% he's gone with Scholl and Lovell, but I firmly believe he is.
Want to bet? $1000?
There you are saying you're not 100% sure, but offering to bet again.
Quote from: Bad_Reporter on February 10, 2021, 10:32:47 PM
So the same people who agreed to give this bozo a high buy-out, you expect me to have faith in them? Reasonable.
Have a good night
So ... do you "firmly believe wojo is gone this year"? Or do you not have faith he is gone this year because you lack faith in Marquette's decision-makers?
Mr. Reporter, if you think he's gone, please say it without hedging.
As for me, I don't know if he's gone or not. I hope he is. I have been saying since Jan. 25 that not only should Wojo be fired, but it should have happened right after the DePaul game, with an interim taking over for the rest of the season and a search starting immediately. But there is a 7-figure buyout to dump him, a pandemic going on, and an administration that does not seem to disapprove of the job he's doing, so I'm pretty realistic about the prospects.
So I very much am rooting for you to be right -- that is, when you actually have made strong statements rather than wishy-washy ones.
Basically, what you've done is this:
You've said multiple times that Wojo is gone. So if he is gone, you can say, "I told you so. Eat crow!" But you've also said multiple times that you can't be certain he's gone because of our clueless administration. So if he isn't gone, you can just shrug and say, "I know lots of high-ranking people who want him gone, and I thought he'd be gone, but Lovell is clueless, so what are ya gonna do?"
Well done!
And no, I won't bet you. Because I don't know, and I don't make bets unless I have a strong belief that I'll be correct.
Have a nice night.
Quote from: MU82 on February 11, 2021, 12:07:07 AM
OK, Mr. Reporter:
Here is the entirety of your posts regarding your "scoops" (or MUScoops, if you will) about Wojo's future:
The above is not a declaration that he's gone. This is you saying you're not certain he'll be back.
Actually, 2 games ago you said only that you weren't certain Wojo would be back. Now you are making a firm declaration, though, so that's cool.
With the above, you have softened your tone considerably to "Time will tell" and "We shall see" ... both of which are significantly different from "Wojo is gone."
Here you're saying that IF you bet, you'd bet on him being gone. But you're only HOPING that's true and, in fact, you're PLANNING on it being wrong. You want syrup with those waffles?
Wager on what? That you're hoping he's gone but planning on being wrong?
With the above, you're finally back to a solid statement. That WOULD be good news.
And again, firm prediction.
And again.
And again.
Actually, you didn't. Not on Scoop anyway. It was 11 days ago, on Jan. 31, that you only said you "hear it's not so certain" Wojo would be back. And just 3 days ago, on Feb. 7, you were still saying, "Time will tell," and "We shall see what happens," and "Hope I'm right, and I'm planning on being wrong." All of those are many miles from "He's gone."
There you are saying you're not 100% sure, but offering to bet again.
So ... do you "firmly believe wojo is gone this year"? Or do you not have faith he is gone this year because you lack faith in Marquette's decision-makers?
Mr. Reporter, if you think he's gone, please say it without hedging.
As for me, I don't know if he's gone or not. I hope he is. I have been saying since Jan. 25 that not only should Wojo be fired, but it should have happened right after the DePaul game, with an interim taking over for the rest of the season and a search starting immediately. But there is a 7-figure buyout to dump him, a pandemic going on, and an administration that does not seem to disapprove of the job he's doing, so I'm pretty realistic about the prospects.
So I very much am rooting for you to be right -- that is, when you actually have made strong statements rather than wishy-washy ones.
Basically, what you've done is this:
You've said multiple times that Wojo is gone. So if he is gone, you can say, "I told you so. Eat crow!" But you've also said multiple times that you can't be certain he's gone because of our clueless administration. So if he isn't gone, you can just shrug and say, "I know lots of high-ranking people who want him gone, and I thought he'd be gone, but Lovell is clueless, so what are ya gonna do?"
Well done!
And no, I won't bet you. Because I don't know, and I don't make bets unless I have a strong belief that I'll be correct.
Have a nice night.
jeez
The thing that worries me about this situation is if he is still here next year, the Fiserv Forum is going to be a nasty place to be. I myself am not the type to boo a coach/team that I'm supposedly a fan of but I do get the utter frustration from our fans (I'm incredibly frustrated myself). When you as an administration decide to bring back this coach, you have to be realistic and not act completely shocked and disgusted when he gets booed the hell out of at our home games. This isn't year 3 of his tenure. We are in year 8 and have pretty much nothing to show for it. Although who knows, maybe the FF will be completely empty next year if he's still around. I've went to every MU game over the years but if he's back next year I may go to just a few when it's convenient on weekends. Definitely not renewing season tickets though that's for sure.
When the "older alumni" start asking the "do you fire WOJO question" on Zoom calls with others.....
He better start getting his "resume polished".....
Definition = older alumni start with 3 zero's......
Quote from: T.V. Diener 34 on February 11, 2021, 09:32:42 AM
The thing that worries me about this situation is if he is still here next year, the Fiserv Forum is going to be a nasty place to be. I myself am not the type to boo a coach/team that I'm supposedly a fan of but I do get the utter frustration from our fans (I'm incredibly frustrated myself). When you as an administration decide to bring back this coach, you have to be realistic and not act completely shocked and disgusted when he gets booed the hell out of at our home games. This isn't year 3 of his tenure. We are in year 8 and have pretty much nothing to show for it. Although who knows, maybe the FF will be completely empty next year if he's still around. I've went to every MU game over the years but if he's back next year I may go to just a few when it's convenient on weekends. Definitely not renewing season tickets though that's for sure.
Shouldn't worry you one bit. That's the administration's problem and only they can act on all aspects of it, aina?
If Wojo goes we will just hire some other assistant coach from somewhere and rebuild over the next 5 years. Or try to. If we could get some hotshot coach to come great. But we go the assistant route. That's a long rebuild. If it happens.
Rip da band-aid off. Gotta start, no point in prolongin' da agony. Either Woj can get it dun. Or he kant, hey?
Until the administration tells Wojo he is doing a bad job I believe he is perfectly happy.
The only one he needs to please is his employer.
Now maybe next year with fans in the stands they can help influence his employer.
But until then he will collect his paycheck and say "Thank you Marquette!"
But hey, until then, nothing wrong with dreaming.
What if MU demotes him? Can they just drop him down to some level of assistant and promote Killings or another assistant as interim HC? Is there any kind of precedent for something like that? It's not a firing, so there's no buyout, but you've got to think Wojo would have to look for another job at that point.
Quote from: MU82 on February 11, 2021, 12:07:07 AM
OK, Mr. Reporter:
Here is the entirety of your posts regarding your "scoops" (or MUScoops, if you will) about Wojo's future:
The above is not a declaration that he's gone. This is you saying you're not certain he'll be back.
Actually, 2 games ago you said only that you weren't certain Wojo would be back. Now you are making a firm declaration, though, so that's cool.
With the above, you have softened your tone considerably to "Time will tell" and "We shall see" ... both of which are significantly different from "Wojo is gone."
Here you're saying that IF you bet, you'd bet on him being gone. But you're only HOPING that's true and, in fact, you're PLANNING on it being wrong. You want syrup with those waffles?
Wager on what? That you're hoping he's gone but planning on being wrong?
With the above, you're finally back to a solid statement. That WOULD be good news.
And again, firm prediction.
And again.
And again.
Actually, you didn't. Not on Scoop anyway. It was 11 days ago, on Jan. 31, that you only said you "hear it's not so certain" Wojo would be back. And just 3 days ago, on Feb. 7, you were still saying, "Time will tell," and "We shall see what happens," and "Hope I'm right, and I'm planning on being wrong." All of those are many miles from "He's gone."
There you are saying you're not 100% sure, but offering to bet again.
So ... do you "firmly believe wojo is gone this year"? Or do you not have faith he is gone this year because you lack faith in Marquette's decision-makers?
Mr. Reporter, if you think he's gone, please say it without hedging.
As for me, I don't know if he's gone or not. I hope he is. I have been saying since Jan. 25 that not only should Wojo be fired, but it should have happened right after the DePaul game, with an interim taking over for the rest of the season and a search starting immediately. But there is a 7-figure buyout to dump him, a pandemic going on, and an administration that does not seem to disapprove of the job he's doing, so I'm pretty realistic about the prospects.
So I very much am rooting for you to be right -- that is, when you actually have made strong statements rather than wishy-washy ones.
Basically, what you've done is this:
You've said multiple times that Wojo is gone. So if he is gone, you can say, "I told you so. Eat crow!" But you've also said multiple times that you can't be certain he's gone because of our clueless administration. So if he isn't gone, you can just shrug and say, "I know lots of high-ranking people who want him gone, and I thought he'd be gone, but Lovell is clueless, so what are ya gonna do?"
Well done!
And no, I won't bet you. Because I don't know, and I don't make bets unless I have a strong belief that I'll be correct.
Have a nice night.
Still pissed off that you were absolutely wrong on the Canadian prospect and I was right? But then when I was correct you complained and said I was cheering for Marquette to not get recruits.
Quote from: skianth16 on February 11, 2021, 10:10:08 AM
What if MU demotes him? Can they just drop him down to some level of assistant and promote Killings or another assistant as interim HC? Is there any kind of precedent for something like that? It's not a firing, so there's no buyout, but you've got to think Wojo would have to look for another job at that point.
I'm pretty sure his contract calls for him to be the head coach of the basketball team. They can't just demote him or have him sweep floors or some such.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on February 11, 2021, 10:11:53 AM
I'm pretty sure his contract calls for him to be the head coach of the basketball team. They can't just demote him or have him sweep floors or some such.
But does it say the sole head coach? I mean maybe MU can just have a second basketball team for Wojo to "coach" in the old gym while someone else plays against the big boys
Let's get real. That ain't happenin'. Either he's coachin', quits, or gets chitcanned, hey?
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 11, 2021, 10:15:26 AM
But does it say the sole head coach? I mean maybe MU can just have a second basketball team for Wojo to "coach" in the old gym while someone else plays against the big boys
Or maybe Marquette should act like a professional organization and pay the buyout if it wants a new coach.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on February 11, 2021, 10:22:45 AM
Or maybe Marquette should act like a professional organization and pay the buyout if it wants a new coach.
I should've used teal. I thought the humor was obvious 🤗
Wojo's not going to quit and leave millions of dollars on the table, and he's not going to be able to leave for a job that wouldn't be an embarrassingly large step down. Penn State, Boston College, any of those schools are completely out of the question at this point.
So he'll either be the coach next year, or he'll be fired. Those are the only two options.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on February 11, 2021, 10:26:37 AM
Wojo's not going to quit and leave millions of dollars on the table, and he's not going to be able to leave for a job that wouldn't be an embarrassingly large step down. Penn State, Boston College, any of those schools are completely out of the question at this point.
So he'll either be the coach next year, or he'll be fired. Those are the only two options.
I don't think the chances are HIGH that he takes another job, but I can see him jumping if he thinks he will be out next year. He could spin a PSU or BC move into a positive - especially if he is offered a couple more years and a few 100k more.
Quote from: Bad_Reporter on February 11, 2021, 10:10:50 AM
Still pissed off that you were absolutely wrong on the Canadian prospect and I was right? But then when I was correct you complained and said I was cheering for Marquette to not get recruits.
Actually, I had forgotten about him completely until you or somebody else brought him up the other day. I will now give you thunderous applause for that. Congratulations!
I was never "pissed off" about either your prediction or of him choosing to go pro. Nor am I "pissed off" about you waffling now.
You, on the other hand, sound "pissed off" to be held accountable for your own words.
You obviously are desperate for "credit" when you make a prediction. But sorry, you can't get credit for making a kinda-prediction. You are free to say whatever you want, obviously. It's 'Murica! But if you want credit for having said "Wojo is gone," just say it and don't follow it with a waffle and syrup.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on February 11, 2021, 10:11:53 AM
I'm pretty sure his contract calls for him to be the head coach of the basketball team. They can't just demote him or have him sweep floors or some such.
Maybe they could keep him as Head Coach but hire a Head Head Coach (Capo di tutti capi).
Quote from: NCMUFan on February 11, 2021, 10:08:10 AM
Until the administration tells Wojo he is doing a bad job I believe he is perfectly happy.
The only one he needs to please is his employer.
Now maybe next year with fans in the stands they can help influence his employer.
But until then he will collect his paycheck and say "Thank you Marquette!"
But hey, until then, nothing wrong with dreaming.
I believe that Wojo is proud and competitive enough that he is not perfectly happy these days. I think he may know, better than most of us, that he is perfectly
secure in the eyes of the administration, but happy? No.
Quote from: mug644 on February 11, 2021, 10:35:23 AM
I believe that Wojo is proud and competitive enough that he is not perfectly happy these days. I think he may know, better than most of us, that he is perfectly secure in the eyes of the administration, but happy? No.
I agree he's too proud and competitive to be happy. And he has to see that if any one of our three legit players leave he's looking at a third horrific season that'll majorly tarnish his reputation. Cant imagine he's willing to do that. Outside of leaving money on the table (which he's not if he views it at getting out while he can still get paid)
Quote from: mug644 on February 11, 2021, 10:35:23 AM
I believe that Wojo is proud and competitive enough that he is not perfectly happy these days. I think he may know, better than most of us, that he is perfectly secure in the eyes of the administration, but happy? No.
I think this is a great point.
I have said, and I truly believe, that Wojo already should have been fired this season. But he is still coaching ... and though he isn't coaching well, there is zero evidence that he's happy about the way things are going or that he cares only about money.
As an athlete, he was known for his intensity and for caring very much about the game and his team; he coached at Duke; he coached with the Olympic team. Those who think he's happy with this sh!t are just taking cheap potshots at him.
There are plenty - PLENTY! - of things to criticize Wojo for. Those who pretend to be capable of knowing what he's thinking ... and saying he's thinking happy thoughts these days ... that's just dopey.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on February 11, 2021, 10:29:57 AM
I don't think the chances are HIGH that he takes another job, but I can see him jumping if he thinks he will be out next year. He could spin a PSU or BC move into a positive - especially if he is offered a couple more years and a few 100k more.
I hope you're right, but there's an article from March 2019 talking about how Pat Chambers only made $900K a year at PSU. I don't know what they're planning on shelling out for their next basketball coach, but I highly doubt they're going to double what they were paying before to hire Wojo.
Quote from: mug644 on February 11, 2021, 10:35:23 AM
I believe that Wojo is proud and competitive enough that he is not perfectly happy these days. I think he may know, better than most of us, that he is perfectly secure in the eyes of the administration, but happy? No.
Unhappy. Sure, who would be happy with a losing record if that was your primary responsibility. Proud and competitive enough to quit or move on? Just seems like opposite poles too far apart. Either he gets fired or he is coaching MU to the best of his abilities and if he is losing I would say unhappy to a point. If he can't coach, at least get assistants that can and overlook them.
Didn't Brent leave for less dough at VT?
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on February 11, 2021, 10:29:57 AM
I don't think the chances are HIGH that he takes another job, but I can see him jumping if he thinks he will be out next year. He could spin a PSU or BC move into a positive - especially if he is offered a couple more years and a few 100k more.
BC actually seems like a good fit.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on February 11, 2021, 12:29:33 PM
Didn't Brent leave for less dough at VT?
Yes/No. The AAV was less to start, but thanks to the contract writing/taking skills he developed, his full VT contract was fully guaranteed, along with roll-over clauses. Thus, the VT commitment was greater long-term than his prior deal with MU.
Buzz asked for the moon and VT gave him the galaxy. I'm fairly sure there was given everything, if not the majority, of things he asked for.
Quote from: LAZER on February 11, 2021, 12:31:07 PM
BC actually seems like a good fit.
Not to toot my own horn, but I said this months ago.
;D
Quote from: Silent Verbal on February 11, 2021, 10:26:37 AM
Wojo's not going to quit and leave millions of dollars on the table, and he's not going to be able to leave for a job that wouldn't be an embarrassingly large step down. Penn State, Boston College, any of those schools are completely out of the question at this point.
So he'll either be the coach next year, or he'll be fired. Those are the only two options.
they may be "a step down" but a move to those programs could easily be spun into them being a step up in terms of conference affiliation.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 11, 2021, 12:49:01 PM
they may be "a step down" but a move to those programs could easily be spun into them being a step up in terms of conference affiliation.
Yep and he can hide at both BC and PSU. Basketball not their priority but will still pay very well.
If I'm Wojo
1) I am guessing that MU will not fire me at the end of the season but I am not really sure. I'm nervous.
2) I realize that they would probably really like to fire me but the buyout is holding them back due to the budget shortfall and layoffs. Still, I wonder if they would do it anyway.
3) I worry that Garcia will leave at the end of this season if I stay on another year. I'm soooo tired of hearing TV announcers refer to the Hauser brothers as "Marquette transfer....". If they start referring to Garcia as "Marquette transfer...." I will never, ever live down the losses of three star players.
4) Covid shielded me from the booing and from what would have been hostile fans in the stands. Next season I am fair game. I can run but I cannot hide.
5) I have too much pride to just wait until I get fired. I want to save face and get out this year! A new gig is what I need- not another year at Marquette where I am persona non grata and branded as incompetent.
6) I'm going to test the waters (or have my agent do some bird dogging for me) and try to negotiate a deal with Marquette and possibly involve my new school as well. Marquette wants me gone and I want to be gone. It's a just matter of working out a deal. If I play my cards right, I come out of this with a new gig, my pride, and enough money to keep me happy.
7) Goodbye Marquette!
That sure sounds like Crean's or Buzz's story. We will see if Wojo is different.
This may be splitting hairs but I want him FIRED. Relieved of his duties. Let go.
Wojo voluntarily making a move to another school gives him an out where it looks like he made the choice. And it gives the independent observer the illusion that Wojo leaving for whatever school (Wake, Penn State, Mizzou) was at least a lateral move.
If we allow that to happen it would be the final kick to the nuts Wojo takes at the prestige of our program. He's already nearly destroyed it with 7 years of complete and utter national irrelevance.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 11, 2021, 01:53:01 PM
This may be splitting hairs but I want him FIRED. Relieved of his duties. Let go.
Wojo voluntarily making a move to another school gives him an out where it looks like he made the choice. And it gives the independent observer the illusion that Wojo leaving for whatever school (Wake, Penn State, Mizzou) was at least a lateral move.
If we allow that to happen it would be the final kick to the nuts Wojo takes at the prestige of our program. He's already nearly destroyed it with 7 years of complete and utter national irrelevance.
You want MU to have to spend a ton of money to fire him just so you get that moment of satisfaction?
It's best case scenario of MU if he leaves on his own accord.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 11, 2021, 01:53:01 PM
This may be splitting hairs but I want him FIRED. Relieved of his duties. Let go.
Wojo voluntarily making a move to another school gives him an out where it looks like he made the choice. And it gives the independent observer the illusion that Wojo leaving for whatever school (Wake, Penn State, Mizzou) was at least a lateral move.
If we allow that to happen it would be the final kick to the nuts Wojo takes at the prestige of our program. He's already nearly destroyed it with 7 years of complete and utter national irrelevance.
Haha who cares?
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 11, 2021, 01:02:59 PM
If I'm Wojo
1) I am guessing that MU will not fire me at the end of the season but I am not really sure. I'm nervous.
2) I realize that they would probably really like to fire me but the buyout is holding them back due to the budget shortfall and layoffs. Still, I wonder if they would do it anyway.
3) I worry that Garcia will leave at the end of this season if I stay on another year. I'm soooo tired of hearing TV announcers refer to the Hauser brothers as "Marquette transfer....". If they start referring to Garcia as "Marquette transfer...." I will never, ever live down the losses of three star players.
4) Covid shielded me from the booing and from what would have been hostile fans in the stands. Next season I am fair game. I can run but I cannot hide.
5) I have too much pride to just wait until I get fired. I want to save face and get out this year! A new gig is what I need- not another year at Marquette where I am persona non grata and branded as incompetent.
6) I'm going to test the waters (or have my agent do some bird dogging for me) and try to negotiate a deal with Marquette and possibly involve my new school as well. Marquette wants me gone and I want to be gone. It's a just matter of working out a deal. If I play my cards right, I come out of this with a new gig, my pride, and enough money to keep me happy.
7) Goodbye Marquette!
Yep - He'd be a fool to not realize this isn't working out. He's hurting his future employability with every game he coaches. Almost any opportunity that comes up after this season will give him more long term stability than where he's at now.
Quote from: BM1090 on February 11, 2021, 01:54:28 PM
You want MU to have to spend a ton of money to fire him just so you get that moment of satisfaction?
It's best case scenario of MU if he leaves on his own accord.
If you read the post it's not for my own satisfaction. It's so that the program can salvage any remaining prestige that it has by showing that coach Wojo is not good enough.
Again, I'm not saying I don't want it to happen, but why do people think BC or PSU would want Wojo? His teams have collapsed three straight years with this one being the worst so far, he's never won an NCAA tournament game, his record in conference is under .500. Those schools could do way better than Wojo.
Just answer me why, right now, in this very moment, another P6 school would want Wojo.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 11, 2021, 01:02:59 PM
I worry that Garcia will leave at the end of this season if I stay on another year. I'm soooo tired of hearing TV announcers refer to the Hauser brothers as "Marquette transfer....". If they start referring to Garcia as "Marquette transfer...." I will never, ever live down the losses of three star players.
Unless he tries to go pro, why would Garcia leave? He will be the star of next season's team (or at least co-star with DJ, if DJ comes back). He will be the focal part of the offense, and will get all the shots he wants from inside and outside.
Plus, a pretty good sell job could be made to him: "If you, Justin and DJ come back, and we add our recruits, and I get us a good transfer or two, we will be ready to compete for a conference title next year." Scoopers might not think a conference title (or anything close to it) would be possible, but we're not the ones who need to be sold on it if he's trying to get Dawson to stay.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on February 11, 2021, 02:02:51 PM
Again, I'm not saying I don't want it to happen, but why do people think BC or PSU would want Wojo? His teams have collapsed three straight years with this one being the worst so far, he's never won an NCAA tournament game, his record in conference is under .500. Those schools could do way better than Wojo.
Just answer me why, right now, in this very moment, another P6 school would want Wojo.
1. He recruits well
2. He would be a solid figurehead for the program
3. They wouldn't be able to do any better.
Quote from: MU82 on February 11, 2021, 12:07:07 AM
OK, Mr. Reporter:
Here is the entirety of your posts regarding your "scoops" (or MUScoops, if you will) about Wojo's future:
The above is not a declaration that he's gone. This is you saying you're not certain he'll be back.
Actually, 2 games ago you said only that you weren't certain Wojo would be back. Now you are making a firm declaration, though, so that's cool.
With the above, you have softened your tone considerably to "Time will tell" and "We shall see" ... both of which are significantly different from "Wojo is gone."
Here you're saying that IF you bet, you'd bet on him being gone. But you're only HOPING that's true and, in fact, you're PLANNING on it being wrong. You want syrup with those waffles?
Wager on what? That you're hoping he's gone but planning on being wrong?
With the above, you're finally back to a solid statement. That WOULD be good news.
And again, firm prediction.
And again.
And again.
Actually, you didn't. Not on Scoop anyway. It was 11 days ago, on Jan. 31, that you only said you "hear it's not so certain" Wojo would be back. And just 3 days ago, on Feb. 7, you were still saying, "Time will tell," and "We shall see what happens," and "Hope I'm right, and I'm planning on being wrong." All of those are many miles from "He's gone."
There you are saying you're not 100% sure, but offering to bet again.
So ... do you "firmly believe wojo is gone this year"? Or do you not have faith he is gone this year because you lack faith in Marquette's decision-makers?
Mr. Reporter, if you think he's gone, please say it without hedging.
As for me, I don't know if he's gone or not. I hope he is. I have been saying since Jan. 25 that not only should Wojo be fired, but it should have happened right after the DePaul game, with an interim taking over for the rest of the season and a search starting immediately. But there is a 7-figure buyout to dump him, a pandemic going on, and an administration that does not seem to disapprove of the job he's doing, so I'm pretty realistic about the prospects.
So I very much am rooting for you to be right -- that is, when you actually have made strong statements rather than wishy-washy ones.
Basically, what you've done is this:
You've said multiple times that Wojo is gone. So if he is gone, you can say, "I told you so. Eat crow!" But you've also said multiple times that you can't be certain he's gone because of our clueless administration. So if he isn't gone, you can just shrug and say, "I know lots of high-ranking people who want him gone, and I thought he'd be gone, but Lovell is clueless, so what are ya gonna do?"
Well done!
And no, I won't bet you. Because I don't know, and I don't make bets unless I have a strong belief that I'll be correct.
Have a nice night.
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Quote from: MU82 on February 11, 2021, 02:05:50 PM
Unless he tries to go pro, why would Garcia leave? He will be the star of next season's team (or at least co-star with DJ, if DJ comes back). He will be the focal part of the offense, and will get all the shots he wants from inside and outside.
Plus, a pretty good sell job could be made to him: "If you, Justin and DJ come back, and we add our recruits, and I get us a good transfer or two, we will be ready to compete for a conference title next year." Scoopers might not think a conference title (or anything close to it) would be possible, but we're not the ones who need to be sold on it if he's trying to get Dawson to stay.
he could have that at Minnesota, with the greater chance to play in the NCAA Tournament. That's what coaches will sell him on as they try to poach him.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 11, 2021, 02:31:03 PM
he could have that at Minnesota, with the greater chance to play in the NCAA Tournament. That's what coaches will sell him on as they try to poach him.
I suppose, but leaving is a whole to-do. I guess it could happen, and of course we'll be trying to do some poaching, too. It could really be the wild, wild west this offseason.
Quote from: MU82 on February 11, 2021, 02:05:50 PM
Unless he tries to go pro, why would Garcia leave? He will be the star of next season's team (or at least co-star with DJ, if DJ comes back). He will be the focal part of the offense, and will get all the shots he wants from inside and outside.
Plus, a pretty good sell job could be made to him: "If you, Justin and DJ come back, and we add our recruits, and I get us a good transfer or two, we will be ready to compete for a conference title next year." Scoopers might not think a conference title (or anything close to it) would be possible, but we're not the ones who need to be sold on it if he's trying to get Dawson to stay.
Why would he not come back? Well, the inability of Wojo to get this year's team any where
near an NCAA bid for starters. I believe the chance to play in the tourney is really important to a player of Garcia's potential. Secondly, he could get greater exposure (as did Mac Clung), allowing pro scouts to see how he works with a stronger, well-coached team. Garcia is not ready for the pros. If all he wants are minutes (I doubt it) then MU might be the right place for him.
No disrespect to you, but your premise of the possibility of a significant improvement next season is based upon returnees and Wojo getting some good transfers, but I see no mention whatsoever of improved coaching. So yes, I think Garcia may say adios!
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 11, 2021, 02:39:19 PM
Why would he not come back? Well, the inability of Wojo to get this year's team any where near an NCAA bid for starters. I believe the chance to play in the tourney is really important to a player of Garcia's potential. Secondly, he could get greater exposure (as did Mac Clung), allowing pro scouts to see how he works with a stronger, well-coached team. Garcia is not ready for the pros. If all he wants are minutes (I doubt it) then MU might be the right place for him.
No disrespect to you, but your premise of the possibility of a significant improvement next season is based upon returnees and Wojo getting some good transfers, but I see no mention whatsoever of improved coaching. So yes, I think Garcia may say adios!
Reasonable. We'll see soon enough.
Quote from: MU82 on February 11, 2021, 02:33:16 PM
I suppose, but leaving is a whole to-do. I guess it could happen, and of course we'll be trying to do some poaching, too. It could really be the wild, wild west this offseason.
I said elsewhere that the 'freedom to transfer' situation might be a silver lining on canning Wojo, as new coach could get players that are immediately eligible.
82s comment is a fair acknowledgement of the flip side. That a coaching change could create too much uncertainty for players to come to play for a new coach. A player looking to change his situation is likely looking for stability, not uncertainty.
Quote from: mug644 on February 11, 2021, 09:43:25 PM
I said elsewhere that the 'freedom to transfer' situation might be a silver lining on canning Wojo, as new coach could get players that are immediately eligible.
82s comment is a fair acknowledgement of the flip side. That a coaching change could create too much uncertainty for players to come to play for a new coach. A player looking to change his situation is likely looking for stability, not uncertainty.
Exactly right. That's why making this decision sooner rather than later seems prudent.
If I were Wojo I'd leave while I can. At least before the Scoopers tar and feather him and chase his team out of town.
I believe that Wojo has too much pride to stay at Marquette and risk a disastrous, career ending season next year. It is in his best interest to find a way out and, as I already have said in this thread, he would probably be able to cut a deal with Marquette to leave with a pile of money. Not his buyout, but a big chunk of money.
If he believes he can redeem himself elsewhere (I don't), he needs to get out and start anew. Call it an amicable divorce. I no longer think Marquette will let him stay on, even with the financial problems and the layoffs.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 12, 2021, 08:46:48 AM
I believe that Wojo has too much pride to stay at Marquette and risk a disastrous, career ending season next year. It is in his best interest to find a way out and, as I already have said in this thread, he would probably be able to cut a deal with Marquette to leave with a pile of money. Not his buyout, but a big chunk of money.
If he believes he can redeem himself elsewhere (I don't), he needs to get out and start anew. Call it an amicable divorce. I no longer think Marquette will let him stay on, even with the financial problems and the layoffs.
It will be a PR disaster next season if he's the head coach.
I'm going to go out on a limb and its just a hunch, but I think Woj bolts from MU and....lands on his feet with a better gig than Marquette. Just sayin', hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 12, 2021, 08:50:23 AM
I'm going to go out on a limb and its just a hunch, but I think Woj bolts from MU and....lands on his feet with a better gig than Marquette. Just sayin', hey?
Same hunch. Lewis, Mitchell, and Aidoo would likely follow him, especially if he goes out east. Worst case scenario is he cleans out our good players and leaves the admin caught off guard and scrambling in a few weeks. I'm on the fire him today train because of this possibility. Wojo is the one that should be scrambling.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 12, 2021, 08:50:23 AM
I'm going to go out on a limb and its just a hunch, but I think Woj bolts from MU and....lands on his feet with a better gig than Marquette. Just sayin', hey?
Really? I mean K could retire and handpick him. What jobs are expected to open that are both better than MU and that Wojo would be a candidate for? To me, that seems to be a non-existent list.
He's had months to think this through. We aren't privy to discussions with his agent or know his "connections." Like I said, its just my hunch, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 12, 2021, 08:50:23 AM
I'm going to go out on a limb and its just a hunch, but I think Woj bolts from MU and....lands on his feet with a better gig than Marquette. Just sayin', hey?
Like...where? I can't think of any potential openings that would be considered a "better gig than Marquette" that would settle for Wojo.
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 12, 2021, 08:59:11 AM
Same hunch. Lewis, Mitchell, and Aidoo would likely follow him, especially if he goes out east. Worst case scenario is he cleans out our good players and leaves the admin caught off guard and scrambling in a few weeks. I'm on the fire him today train because of this possibility. Wojo is the one that should be scrambling.
I'm not so sure that players and commits will follow a coach who not only will not be in the tourney but is also under fire by national sportswriters for demonstrated incompetence. Curious as to why you did not mention Garcia.
We may well lose players and commits but I doubt that they will follow Wojo. Usually, they follow a
successful coach to his new gig.
I agree that Wojo is the one who should be scrambling. He may be already and he deserves to be scrambling after failing so badly.
W2D.
Quote from: BLM on February 12, 2021, 09:19:58 AM
W2D.
It's not called the D-League anymore, it's been the G League for several years now
Successfully oversaw the de-emphasizing of basketball at MU. If that's what Duke is looking to do he'd be a home run!
I guess Buzz bolted when his final season at MU started to melt down. But Buzz has a better MU resume than Wojo. But we will see what the BOT and Wojo do. Stay tuned, maybe the offseason will not be boring.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 12, 2021, 09:28:27 AM
Successfully oversaw the de-emphasizing of basketball at MU. If that's what Duke is looking to do he'd be a home run!
To be real tho, Duke is under .500 and is going to miss the tournament. Maybe K hangs it up and we all get lucky here.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on February 12, 2021, 10:14:55 AM
To be real tho, Duke is under .500 and is going to miss the tournament. Maybe K hangs it up and we all get lucky here.
Doubt it. He'll try to interview I'm sure but Duke stakeholders would flip a $hit about his hiring now days.
Honestly outside of the Pros I'm unsure there's any "coach in waiting" anymore at Duke
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 12, 2021, 08:50:23 AM
I'm going to go out on a limb and its just a hunch, but I think Woj bolts from MU and....lands on his feet with a better gig than Marquette. Just sayin', hey?
This hunch, in general, could be right. Here's hoping. But I agree with other Scoopers who are asking where he would go that would be considered "better" than Marquette.
I acknowledge that I am biased toward Marquette, but ... are BC and Penn State "better" basketball situations than Marquette just because they are in the ACC and B14, respectively? Or are you talkin' 'bout something else?
But sure, yes, him deciding to leave would be best for all.
Quote from: MU82 on February 12, 2021, 10:20:05 AM
This hunch, in general, could be right. Here's hoping. But I agree with other Scoopers who are asking where he would go that would be considered "better" than Marquette.
I acknowledge that I am biased toward Marquette, but ... are BC and Penn State "better" basketball situations than Marquette just because they are in the ACC and B14, respectively? Or are you talkin' 'bout something else?
But sure, yes, him deciding to leave would be best for all.
A "better gig", in my opinion, would mean going to a P6 conference and coaching a basement team where expectations are low and the pay is similar. He can pull recruits, and that is enough to get him a couple more wins than people expect from a basement program. He can stick around a couple of years and then become an announcer or whatever K finds for him at Duke.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on February 12, 2021, 10:35:20 AM
A "better gig", in my opinion, would mean going to a P6 conference and coaching a basement team where expectations are low and the pay is similar. He can pull recruits, and that is enough to get him a couple more wins than people expect from a basement program. He can stick around a couple of years and then become an announcer or whatever K finds for him at Duke.
Then I guess BC and Penn State would be "better."
They are every bit as good as Virginia Tech was when Buzz left, I suppose.
Cool. Hope he leaves for one of them.
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 12, 2021, 08:59:11 AM
Same hunch. Lewis, Mitchell, and Aidoo would likely follow him, especially if he goes out east. Worst case scenario is he cleans out our good players and leaves the admin caught off guard and scrambling in a few weeks. I'm on the fire him today train because of this possibility. Wojo is the one that should be scrambling.
If he leaves, however it happens, I'm counting on every player leaving. Every one. If any stay, it's a bonus and that's on the new coach. I still want him gone because I think the longer he stays the more damage it can do to the Marquette brand. Let the new guy start over with a clean slate and the ability to build something on his own.
The men's b-ball program drives sports revenue for MU, so this is the question that the admin needs to come to grips with. Wojo is at best a mediocre coach (7 year track record, and heading south, not north) so do we keep him, and relegate the program to a middle of the pack mentality, or move on. If the admin wants to be competitive, and compete for BE championships, and the associated revenue from NCAA tournament appearances, and the revenue generated and tied directly to a competitive program (increased ticket sales, gear, etc.), there's only one option, he's got to be cut loose.
This is an old school reference, but Wojo is a classic example of the "Peter Principle", which states, "employees are promoted based on their success in previous jobs until they reach a level at which they are no longer competent, as skills in one job do not necessarily translate to another". Wojo was probably a good assistant under K, but doesn't possess the skill set for being a head coach, and he's reinforcing that with each passing year. He's shown no growth as a HC, and the individual player's growth is more tied to their individual work habits and growth as athletes, and not from the apparent lack of coaching. The repetition of the same mistakes, not only from game to game, but year to year is so obvious to all of us that love and are passionate about MU B-ball. I constantly scream at the TV, teach him how to set a screen without moving (Theo), throw the pass away from the defender, not toward the defender, and actually look before you throw the pass (almost the whole team), how to box out, and play defense by moving your feet, and not using the matador whiff. Just the lack of basic fundamental coaching that is magnified when MU plays Nova, and we see the results of a great coach, exploiting a mediocre coach.
So, does MU want to compete, or just be an "also ran". There just comes a point where you need to make a decision based on the obvious, because straddling the fence just leaves you with chaffed nuts!
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 12, 2021, 10:58:16 AM
If he leaves, however it happens, I'm counting on every player leaving. Every one. If any stay, it's a bonus and that's on the new coach. I still want him gone because I think the longer he stays the more damage it can do to the Marquette brand. Let the new guy start over with a clean slate and the ability to build something on his own.
Yeah one thing about Wojo's guys is not many have committed because they love Milwaukee or marquette it's always the players and relationship with the coaches. I'd agree pretty much everyone would go unless they've found some beauty around Milwaukee that'd keep them here.
He has to be antsy, I hope he leaves although it would be a nice statement by the University if they fired his ass.
I don't understand the financial strain MU is going through, but I do understand Basketball makes up a BIG slice of the Branding PIE.
If I'm a 17 year old looking at Jesuit institutions to continue my higher learning and enjoy fun/quality Basketball MU is plummeting down the list!
As an alum I've hung my MU flag out front about twice the past two seasons. I don't like to publicly support mediocrity, or deal with opposing fans rubbing it in.
If I were a Milwaukee Area Alumni I would not renew my tickets, why bother?
If players leave as a result of Wojo going, I'm ok with that. Honestly I can't believe some haven't jumped ship already or at least had a yelling match with him on the sideline.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 12, 2021, 10:58:16 AM
If he leaves, however it happens, I'm counting on every player leaving. Every one. If any stay, it's a bonus and that's on the new coach. I still want him gone because I think the longer he stays the more damage it can do to the Marquette brand. Let the new guy start over with a clean slate and the ability to build something on his own.
I agree completely and don't think that's a bad thing at all. I didn't mention Carton and Garcia because I don't see them following Wojo. The rest may be better suited going down a level anyway.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on February 12, 2021, 10:14:55 AM
To be real tho, Duke is under .500 and is going to miss the tournament. Maybe K hangs it up and we all get lucky here.
Love it!
Let's give Wojo credit for one thing. There was a lot of chatter when he was hired about making Marquette "Duke North". This year it looks like he has finally made that come true.
The risk of players leaving due to the coach leaving/firing is always a concern.
However, the upcoming year is unlike any other. The (hopeful) new coach will be afforded the ability to field a team with immediate transfers from a pool that maybe the largest in history.
That is huge.
If the choice is new recruits along with DJ and DG staying at MU vs. Wojo leaving....I'd choose the latter.
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 12, 2021, 11:38:11 AM
I agree completely and don't think that's a bad thing at all. I didn't mention Carton and Garcia because I don't see them following Wojo. The rest may be better suited going down a level anyway.
Carton I don't see following him but he won't be sticking around for another coach either.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 12, 2021, 11:53:03 AM
Let's give Wojo credit for one thing. There was a lot of chatter when he was hired about making Marquette "Duke North". This year it looks like he has finally made that come true.
Made me chuckle.
Quote from: We R Final Four on February 12, 2021, 11:54:44 AM
The risk of players leaving due to the coach leaving/firing is always a concern.
However, the upcoming year is unlike any other. The (hopeful) new coach will be afforded the ability to field a team with immediate transfers from a pool that maybe the largest in history.
That is huge.
If the choice is new recruits along with DJ and DG staying at MU vs. Wojo leaving....I'd choose the latter.
You're right. Schools simply can't worry about this kind of thing if you decide the coach has to go.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 12, 2021, 10:17:26 AM
Doubt it. He'll try to interview I'm sure but Duke stakeholders would flip a $hit about his hiring now days.
Honestly outside of the Pros I'm unsure there's any "coach in waiting" anymore at Duke
Aint no way Duke hires the slug. They would have their pick of the country.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 12, 2021, 01:53:20 PM
They would have their pick of the country.
I think you will be surprised how hard that position will be to fill.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 12, 2021, 10:58:16 AM
If he leaves, however it happens, I'm counting on every player leaving. Every one. If any stay, it's a bonus and that's on the new coach. I still want him gone because I think the longer he stays the more damage it can do to the Marquette brand. Let the new guy start over with a clean slate and the ability to build something on his own.
Agree on this. If every player leaves, it will be frustrating and disappointing but the school must cut bait
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on February 12, 2021, 01:55:16 PM
I think you will be surprised how hard that position will be to fill.
No It will be a piece of cake. Duke is currently the Mecca of college bb and may take a while to hire because they would likely cast a wide net, but will not lack for very talented suitors.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 12, 2021, 02:07:10 PM
No It will be a piece of cake. Duke is currently the Mecca of college bb and may take a while to hire because they would likely cast a wide net, but will not lack for very talented suitors.
That's what North Carolina and UCLA both thought. Following Coach K is going to be extremely difficult. Good coaches, who are set up well, aren't going to want to risk that for the microscope that the Duke job will bring.
New to this and sorry for the random jump in. Anyone know if Travis Diener has ever been approached about being MU head coach? Or is he too content living in Italy? Just curious.
Quote from: Warrior 77 on February 12, 2021, 02:33:19 PM
New to this and sorry for the random jump in. Anyone know if Travis Diener has ever been approached about being MU head coach? Or is he too content living in Italy? Just curious.
No he has never been approached. But it has nothing to do with Diener being content living in Italy. He doesn't remotely have the credentials to be hired for any D1 head coaching gig, let alone a P6 job.
Always amazed by the Travis Diener toss up (who I doubt returned to Italy after taking the last plane out before Italy shut down for the virus). Never heard him express any interest in coaching as a career. Never seemed very interested when standing on the sidelines with Wojo. Doesn't strike me as the tireless, always be recruiting personality. Yet his name constantly pops up. If that's the route we desire, Wardle is out there with coaching and recruiting experience.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on February 12, 2021, 01:55:16 PM
I think you will be surprised how hard that position will be to fill.
I agree, but don't think they'll have to worry about it for a while. Coach K will be the next Paterno. He's too arrogant to step down and will coach into his 80s.
I believe Travis is working with Joe Chapman at the training facility. I think that type of coaching gets him going, not so much the recruiting/other nonsense.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 12, 2021, 10:58:16 AM
If he leaves, however it happens, I'm counting on every player leaving. Every one. If any stay, it's a bonus and that's on the new coach. I still want him gone because I think the longer he stays the more damage it can do to the Marquette brand. Let the new guy start over with a clean slate and the ability to build something on his own.
Name a program where every player left in a coaching change?
Quote from: 79Warrior on February 12, 2021, 03:44:34 PM
Name a program where every player left in a coaching change?
New transfer rules make it easy, but like I said, any that stay are a bonus. Will they all leave? Probably not. But I'm not counting on any of them staying. And that's fine.
Quote from: 79Warrior on February 12, 2021, 03:44:34 PM
Name a program where every player left in a coaching change?
Players usually would have to sit if they transfer. That's not happening this year. We have eight returning players and three signees. None from Wisconsin. None from even Illinois. The reason they came to Milwaukee was due to Wojo and his staff.
I mean, would you stay if you were Dawson? Justin? Osa? I most certainly would be looking at all of my options.
I doubt every player leaves. They also need somewhere to go. Some might view MU as the best chance at a lot of playing time.
I would expect Garcia, Carton, and Lewis to leave. Although, I'm not sure we go transfer-free if there is no coaching change.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 12, 2021, 03:48:09 PM
New transfer rules make it easy, but like I said, any that stay are a bonus. Will they all leave? Probably not. But I'm not counting on any of them staying. And that's fine.
Yep - Not making a change because you're worried about player defections is an extremely short term view.
Quote from: cheebs09 on February 12, 2021, 04:00:01 PM
I doubt every player leaves. They also need somewhere to go. Some might view MU as the best chance at a lot of playing time.
I would expect Garcia, Carton, and Lewis to leave. Although, I'm not sure we go transfer-free if there is no coaching change.
To what end? They're all starters next year in a P6 conference and will the stars of the team and get the most minutes. To have a better chance of winning? If they don't get along with the new hire then I totally understand.
Other than the big three do you really care if anyone else leaves (Sy, Greg, Jose, Dex even Osa)?
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on February 12, 2021, 04:15:56 PM
To what end? They're all starters next year in a P6 conference and will the stars of the team and get the most minutes. To have a better chance of winning? If they don't get along with the new hire then I totally understand.
There has to be teams that would take them.
Quote from: franklinjerry on February 12, 2021, 04:50:00 PM
Other than the big three do you really care if anyone else leaves (Sy, Greg, Jose, Dex even Osa)?
Nope. Osa is intriguing. So may be Dex. But they're very replaceable. Sh, Greg and Jose? If they want to leave we'll pay for their ticket.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 12, 2021, 06:55:01 PM
Nope. Osa is intriguing. So may be Dex. But they're very replaceable. Sh, Greg and Jose? If they want to leave we'll pay for their ticket.
You mean Sy and yeah, I'm really disheartened by them. Greg I thought was a steal given his senior year scoring in HS. Sy had flashes last year and took a turn for the wayyy worse.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 12, 2021, 06:55:01 PM
Nope. Osa is intriguing. So may be Dex. But they're very replaceable. Sh, Greg and Jose? If they want to leave we'll pay for their ticket.
Hell, eye'd Uber 'em too da Dog Bus station, hey?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 12, 2021, 06:55:01 PM
Nope. Osa is intriguing. So may be Dex. But they're very replaceable. Sh, Greg and Jose? If they want to leave we'll pay for their ticket.
I have serious doubts about any guy who can't break the rotation on this team.
I think y'all are giving up too early on Jose. I don't think he's going to be a world beater or anything but I wouldn't put much stock in how he plays after being out for as long as he was.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 12, 2021, 09:25:10 PM
I think y'all are giving up too early on Jose. I don't think he's going to be a world beater or anything but I wouldn't put much stock in how he plays after being out for as long as he was.
Any word on why he quit Gardner Webb halfway through the season last year?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 12, 2021, 09:25:10 PM
I think y'all are giving up too early on Jose. I don't think he's going to be a world beater or anything but I wouldn't put much stock in how he plays after being out for as long as he was.
You know the sound that happens when you're drinking a glass of soda with ice in it through a straw, and you drink up every last drop of soda but keep sucking on the straw, and it makes that slurping noise? I tried to read your post out loud just now, and instead of words, that sound was the only thing that came out. It really was the strangest thing.
Wojo said Perez was out because he wasn't in shape. The guy has old man game. He's 22 going on 45 and looks like he should be playing pickup ball at the YMCA on Saturday mornings. Even though he's only played a handful of games for Marquette, based on what I've seen, I do not think he belongs at the high major level. I think low major Gardner Webb, where he started, was right about where he should've been. And low major is where he'll be next year, most likely. I'd be very surprised if he's back, Wojo or no Wojo.
You often say, "There's plenty to rip on Wojo for, you don't need to make stuff up." Well, the same thing applies here. There's plenty of things to slurp about this program (well, actually there aren't), you don't need to make stuff up. I mean, you realize Wojo cares nothing for you, right? You don't need to keep carrying the torch for him. As John Rambo said in First Blood, "Let it go. Let it...go."
I think most are giving up on Perez at just the right time. Like Wojo, the kid's in way over his head
Quote from: Boone on February 12, 2021, 10:14:01 PM
I think most are giving up on Perez at just the right time. Like Wojo, the kid's in way over his head
Said dozens (maybe hundreds) of Scoopers about Lockett and Reinhardt.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on February 12, 2021, 09:59:21 PM
You know the sound that happens when you're drinking a glass of soda with ice in it through a straw, and you drink up every last drop of soda but keep sucking on the straw, and it makes that slurping noise? I tried to read your post out loud just now, and instead of words, that sound was the only thing that came out. It really was the strangest thing.
Wojo said Perez was out because he wasn't in shape. The guy has old man game. He's 22 going on 45 and looks like he should be playing pickup ball at the YMCA on Saturday mornings. Even though he's only played a handful of games for Marquette, based on what I've seen, I do not think he belongs at the high major level. I think low major Gardner Webb, where he started, was right about where he should've been. And low major is where he'll be next year, most likely. I'd be very surprised if he's back, Wojo or no Wojo.
You often say, "There's plenty to rip on Wojo for, you don't need to make stuff up." Well, the same thing applies here. There's plenty of things to slurp about this program (well, actually there aren't), you don't need to make stuff up. I mean, you realize Wojo cares nothing for you, right? You don't need to keep carrying the torch for him. As John Rambo said in First Blood, "Let it go. Let it...go."
I have to admit, I felt bad after reading your novel here. I thought I must have posted a glowing review about Jose's abilities. So I double checked.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 12, 2021, 09:25:10 PM
I think y'all are giving up too early on Jose. I don't think he's going to be a world beater or anything but I wouldn't put much stock in how he plays after being out for as long as he was.
Nope, I just commented that a transfer may not be at 100% after being out for a year. I made similar comments about Lockett, Rowsey, and Reinhardt when people declared they were garbage after a few games. And just to avoid you overanalyzing that last line, no I am not saying that Jose is going to be as good as any of those transfers, just pointing out that some transfers take time to find their footing.
I know for you everything is either a pro-Wojo or anti-Wojo post but sometimes there's no hidden message or agenda. Sometimes people just say what they mean.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 12, 2021, 10:52:59 PM
I know for you everything is either a pro-Wojo or anti-Wojo post but sometimes there's no hidden message or agenda. Sometimes people just say what they mean.
Spoken like a true Wojo-loving slurper!
You think Perez belongs in Lockett or Reinhardt's class? Lol
Quote from: Boone on February 12, 2021, 11:50:07 PM
You think Perez belongs in Lockett or Reinhardt's class? Lol
I can't speak for 82, but I guess he'd agree with the sentiment below
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 12, 2021, 10:52:59 PM
I made similar comments about Lockett, Rowsey, and Reinhardt when people declared they were garbage after a few games. And just to avoid you overanalyzing that last line, no I am not saying that Jose is going to be as good as any of those transfers, just pointing out that some transfers take time to find their footing.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 12, 2021, 11:56:43 PM
I can't speak for 82, but I guess he'd agree with the sentiment below
Agreed TAMU we have no idea yet how Perez is going to play out. The percentages are that he will not be an impact player for our program. But there is literally no game tape at MU that would tell us either way. We all need to see more.
If he fails, it's just another Wojo disappointment. Need to reserve judgment for now however.
An adjustment curve is expected, but Perez looks really out of his league. Lockett and Reinhardt came from programs in power conferences so talent wasn't the issue. Just needed time to settle in. Rowsey's shooting touch and moxie allowed him to make the jump from low D1. Perez doesn't seem to have a similar transferable skill set. He's a lot closer to Chartouny 2.0 than Lockett or Reinhardt 2.0
Quote from: Boone on February 13, 2021, 12:34:21 AM
An adjustment curve is expected, but Perez looks really out of his league. Lockett and Reinhardt came from programs in power conferences so talent wasn't the issue. Just needed time to settle in. Rowsey's shooting touch and moxie allowed him to make the jump from low D1. Perez doesn't seem to have a similar transferable skill set. He's a lot closer to Chartouny 2.0 than Lockett or Reinhardt 2.0
Jose has played in three games, the last two after sitting out nearly three months. He might not be very good. He might be a pleasant surprise. None of us really know.
One thing I do know that it is way too early to make definitive statements about his abilities.
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Quote from: MU82 on February 12, 2021, 10:45:07 PM
Said dozens (maybe hundreds) of Scoopers about Lockett and Reinhardt.
at least those guys didn't binge at the buffet.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on February 13, 2021, 12:17:18 AM
Agreed TAMU we have no idea yet how Perez is going to play out. The percentages are that he will not be an impact player for our program. But there is literally no game tape at MU that would tell us either way. We all need to see more.
If he fails, it's just another Wojo disappointment. Need to reserve judgment for now however.
Every coach has "disappointments" - transfers and recruits that don't work out. Even 5-stars like Grimes at Kansas and Quinerly at Nova. It happens.
Perez might not be good. It's simply too early to tell.
Quote from: Boone on February 13, 2021, 12:34:21 AM
An adjustment curve is expected, but Perez looks really out of his league. Lockett and Reinhardt came from programs in power conferences so talent wasn't the issue.
But that didn't stop Scoopers from jumping all over Lockett and Reinhardt. Lockett, people just thought sucked. Reinhardt - there seemed genuine hatred toward him. As an MU alum, it was embarrassing.
So no, I'm not going to declare Perez a lost cause yet. Maybe he will be, but I want to give him a fair chance.
Quote from: Marq3332 on February 13, 2021, 10:28:55 AM
at least those guys didn't binge at the buffet.
I hope making mean comments about Marquette students helps you feel better about yourself.
Quote from: Marq3332 on February 13, 2021, 10:28:55 AM
at least those guys didn't binge at the buffet.
The kid had COVID you ass
82,
Give him as much rope as you like but looks like he's overmatched at this level
Quote from: Boone on February 13, 2021, 12:46:53 PM
82,
Give him as much rope as you like but looks like he's overmatched at this level
I hope you're wrong, my friend, but you very well might be right. He wasn't even supposed to play this season, and he's had extenuating circumstances, so we'll get a better idea next season.
If I'm Wojo, I get my agent to talk to Boston College about the opening ASAP. Jim Christian fired.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 15, 2021, 11:20:14 AM
If I'm Wojo, I get my agent to talk to Boston College about the opening ASAP. Jim Christian fired.
Yup. I can see it appeasing all parties. MU could lower or drop the buyout to make it happen.
Stars align
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 15, 2021, 11:54:35 AM
Yup. I can see it appeasing all parties. MU could lower or drop the buyout to make it happen.
Jesuit Christocurrency, hey?
If the early list of names being bandied about is any indication, I was right in my assertion that the ship has sailed on Wojo getting another P6 job. Just too many successful mid major coaches and top assistants willing to take a step up to play in the ACC sandbox, even if it's BC.
Hopefully Wojo's agent is doing some work behind the scenes to let BC know he's available.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on February 15, 2021, 12:26:56 PM
If the early list of names being bandied about is any indication, I was right in my assertion that the ship has sailed on Wojo getting another P6 job. Just too many successful mid major coaches and top assistants willing to take a step up to play in the ACC sandbox, even if it's BC.
Hopefully Wojo's agent is doing some work behind the scenes to let BC know he's available.
They listed Beilein in there. I'd be floored if he chose BC. Some of these seem pretty optimistic. Also, Wojo's resume on the surface isn't that bad.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 15, 2021, 11:54:35 AM
Yup. I can see it appeasing all parties. MU could lower or drop the buyout to make it happen.
Boston College: Hey, MU, yeah we were wondering what the buy-out is on your coach?
MU: It's $2m, but if you can take him off our hands immediately, let's call it even.