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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Babybluejeans on February 07, 2021, 09:09:18 PM
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This is an honest question because I really have no idea what the answer (likely) is. Haven’t watched more than a couple games this year and have been pretty disconnected to what’s going on from an admin perspective.
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Will depend on the buyout number, which I have no knowledge of. The optics of paying a big buyout when you just laid off hundreds of employees would be not great....What I do know is that multiple members of the board are fed up and it's become clear to just about everyone watching that the program is headed in the wrong direction.
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He should be. But given Marquette’s current financial situation, I don’t think it will happen. My guess is that they will give him an extension, but greatly reduce the buy out and truly put his a$$ in the not seat next year.
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I really don't know what his contract situation is. I have seen a number of posters who often seem in the know refer to the fact that he has a big buyout, one that MU would not be in a good position to have to pay given the recent economic straits. Do any scoopers know hard data? And, with all the lawyers in this world, some of you must know how these contracts work - if he's given an extension, can the buyout be levered down? My guess is that with any new rewrite every point starts anew.
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I think he needs to go right now, but I'd honestly be pretty shocked if they actually made a move and canned him at season's end. However, I have an honest question for anyone who might be able to answer...
When a football team underachieves but the organization isn't ready to move on from the coach (or such a move wouldn't be warranted, in the recent case of the Packers), the team will often throw the offensive or defensive coordinator under the bus to give the fans their pound of flesh. Ditto in baseball when hitting and pitching coaches are fired after a bad season.
Is there any precedent for such a move in college basketball? Basically, is it out of the question for Wojo to, say, fire Jake Presutti and Rob Judson, just to show the fans he's aware that things have gone awry and is taking steps to fix it? The only time turnover with assistants seems to happen is if a guy commits an indiscretion (Scott Monarch) or leaves for another job. I'd guess there are two reasons for this: 1.) Assistant coaches do a lot of recruiting, and if they're fired, any time/money/resources put into the players they're currently recruiting would be completely wasted, and 2.) Good assistants may not want to take the job if they know there's a chance they'll be scapegoated after a bad season.
Basically, what I'm saying is if we continue our downward spiral I predict Wojo will get rid of Presutti and Judson. And next year it'll be his ass on the chopping block if things don't turn around, and he'll know it. I just don't know if there's any precedent for a prediction like that.
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Just don’t see it happening. This administration is weak and I anticipate they will be full of many excuses for Wojo. It’s frustrating and very disappointing to think about but it’s likely to not happen. The admin will likely remain satisfied with a clean cut, “nice” program and be ok turning into DePaul as far as future bball success is concerned. Very unfortunate as I miss the days of the program advancing when I was attending the school during the Deane to Crean transition. And then watching Buzz continue the trend. I would be shocked but happy if Wojo was pushed out the door. Plenty of better coaches out there.
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With the way things are trending, I think a mutual separation is most likely. Wojo is a competitor and wants to be a successful head coach. Regardless of these last few games, which we will be projected to lose, next year and beyond is not bringing any faith or optimism. As previously mentioned, our four year players are absolutely better as seniors than as freshmen; but compared to the rest of the Big East, we still aren't as good or need to be to compete consistently with the top. We have Garcia, Lewis and Carton, but what else? No impact incoming freshmen, and Wojo is inconsistent at best with impact transfers.
Hausergate was a red flag. The 13-19 first year is now a red flag. The multiple end of season collapses is a red flag. The (likely) second losing season in over 20 years is a red flag. The lack of tournament wins and appearances is a red flag.
The financial reasons to keep him are known. What is not known is the financial consequences in keeping Wojo and setting the program back another 4-5 years. For a school that is very much struggling with staff and admissions cannot afford to also have a floundering basketball program. Just my two cents.
We have lived through sevens seasons of the Wojo era. The eighth year is not going to improve perceptions, nor is it going to smooth things out. Unfortunately, it is very much time to move on for both parties.
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Just don’t see it happening. This administration is weak and I anticipate they will be full of many excuses for Wojo. It’s frustrating and very disappointing to think about but it’s likely to not happen. The admin will likely remain satisfied with a clean cut, “nice” program and be ok turning into DePaul as far as future bball success is concerned. Very unfortunate as I miss the days of the program advancing when I was attending the school during the Deane to Crean transition. And then watching Buzz continue the trend. I would be shocked but happy if Wojo was pushed out the door. Plenty of better coaches out there.
There is zero evidence that our administration is fine with our basketball program "turning into DePaul."
Otherwise, I agree that it is unlikely he'll be fired after this season.
Although in another thread, Bad Reporter says he would bet Wojo gets fired ... only to quickly couch his position by saying he was "planning on being wrong" about what he just said.
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Hausergate was a red flag. The 13-19 first year is now a red flag. The multiple end of season collapses is a red flag. The (likely) second losing season in over 20 years is a red flag. The lack of tournament wins and appearances is a red flag.
Jeesh ... more red flags than a rainy day at a Nascar event.
Was Buzz going 14-17 at New Orleans a "red flag"? Was Al going 13-39 his last two seasons at Belmont Abbey followed by 8-18 and 14-12 his first two seasons at MU a "red flag"? Was Jay Wright failing to make the NCAA tournament in his first three years at Nova (with an 11th-place finish in Year 3) a "red flag"? A coach having a losing record in his first year or two at a new program is EXTREMELY common. So that was just silly.
I mean, was Wojo improving to 20 wins his second season and then taking us to the NCAAs in what was a pretty fun third season a "green flag" that all was well?
Hausershima, when coupled with the mutiny-fueled collapse, was not good at the time, and very bad in retrospect (even though it didn't hurt our recruiting at all, as I worried it would).
The other stuff is just a series of troublesome facts, not really red flags. And the facts suggest he is not a good enough coach for our alma mater.
I have my doubts that the powers-that-be will agree with us enough to eat his buyout, however.
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Is there any precedent for such a move in college basketball? Basically, is it out of the question for Wojo to, say, fire Jake Presutti and Rob Judson, just to show the fans he's aware that things have gone awry and is taking steps to fix it? The only time turnover with assistants seems to happen is if a guy commits an indiscretion (Scott Monarch) or leaves for another job. I'd guess there are two reasons for this: 1.) Assistant coaches do a lot of recruiting, and if they're fired, any time/money/resources put into the players they're currently recruiting would be completely wasted, and 2.) Good assistants may not want to take the job if they know there's a chance they'll be scapegoated after a bad season.
Unless he's bringing in Thad Matta or John Beilein as his number two, I'm not sure what difference it would make. Since Phelps, Wojo has tended to bring in young, up and coming assistants who are recruiters primarily. I don't think he wants that strong, veteran bench presence that might overshadow him.
Honestly, I'd love a Rick Byrd or Fran Dunphy, but considering his trend since his very first staff, I have no confidence he would even be willing to hire someone in that mold. More likely he'd poach someone from another staff or promote Danny Mads.
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He's not going. They were predicted to finish 7th and they'll meet expectations. Not to make excuses (I'd personally dump him), but they've been a tournament team the last two years and they took a step back this year. Dropping all the nonconference bunnies resulted in not having some additional Ws. The point is that there's enough space to allow for a stinker in 20-21. I've decided not to get my hopes up, focus on using this season as a transition year, and focus on 21-22.
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He's not going. They were predicted to finish 7th and they'll meet expectations. Not to make excuses (I'd personally dump him), but they've been a tournament team the last two years and they took a step back this year. Dropping all the nonconference bunnies resulted in not having some additional Ws. The point is that there's enough space to allow for a stinker in 20-21. I've decided not to get my hopes up, focus on using this season as a transition year, and focus on 21-22.
Realistic take, mature attitude.
Take it to somewhere other than Scoop, pal!
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He's not going. They were predicted to finish 7th and they'll meet expectations. Not to make excuses (I'd personally dump him), but they've been a tournament team the last two years and they took a step back this year. Dropping all the nonconference bunnies resulted in not having some additional Ws. The point is that there's enough space to allow for a stinker in 20-21. I've decided not to get my hopes up, focus on using this season as a transition year, and focus on 21-22.
Yes. This.
I actually don't think the finances will be the problem here. I just don't think they're ready to pull the trigger but the seat is definitely warm. I predict a non-guaranteed extension with one more season.
The FF could be ugly next year.
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Some of the best "mature" writing I have seen here on the subject.
As I see it , most of the coaches we compete against have much more experience as head coaches. Although Wojo is a similar age to most of them he did not come up thru the ranks by being a head coach in the minors.
As mentioned, even St. Al McGuire learned by losing at Belmont Abbey.
Didn't we have the same problem with Raymonds and Rick Majerus?
Where is our corporate memory?
I'm sure when Wojo watches film he can see where the players failed and how he also is on a learning curve.
At least Wojo can recruit, that's something.
Now to learn how to run the end of game winning moves.
How hard can that be?
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Does he stay if we only win one more game? Attendance and fan support will be brutal next year. Remember fans were booing at end of last year. Can you imagine the scene at the games right now with fans? I have talked to a couple people who are not renewing season tickets next year. There will be zero excitement going into next year. I think MU will feel it in the wallet next year big time!
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"optics"
They just fired 39 people and then announced gifts of $36 million. Optics aren't the issue.
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Does he stay if we only win one more game? Attendance and fan support will be brutal next year. Remember fans were booing at end of last year. Can you imagine the scene at the games right now with fans? I have talked to a couple people who are not renewing season tickets next year. There will be zero excitement going into next year. I think MU will feel it in the wallet next year big time!
I thought about that, too. That was one of Crean's strengths was being bullish and positive about the future, and therefore generating excitement (avoiding boos). To that end, the marketing of the program needs to focus on (1)returning to FF, (2) DJ/Dawson/Lewis as the core, and (3) expectation of being the top 1/3 of the BE. Multiple give-aways and pre-game beer discounts won't hurt either.
As for booing, I would only boo if there was an effort issue. By all indications, everyone in the program is doing their best. The fact is that this team isn't very good at shooting, and they throw the ball away at an alarming rate. Go on the transfer market and get a sharp-shooter who isn't a defensive liability, and things look a lot better.
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"optics"
They just fired 39 people and then announced gifts of $36 million. Optics aren't the issue.
Exactly.
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I thought about that, too. That was one of Crean's strengths was being bullish and positive about the future, and therefore generating excitement (avoiding boos). To that end, the marketing of the program needs to focus on (1)returning to FF, (2) DJ/Dawson/Lewis as the core, and (3) expectation of being the top 1/3 of the BE. Multiple give-aways and pre-game beer discounts won't hurt either.
Do people honestly think we will be in the top third of the BE next year? I am having a hard time believing that.
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Does he stay if we only win one more game? Attendance and fan support will be brutal next year. Remember fans were booing at end of last year. Can you imagine the scene at the games right now with fans? I have talked to a couple people who are not renewing season tickets next year. There will be zero excitement going into next year. I think MU will feel it in the wallet next year big time!
Booed at the end of last year? My family went to the Nova game. It was Jan. 4, less than halfway through the season and only the second Big East game. And we were 10-3. And we had gone to two of the previous three NCAA tournaments. Nevertheless, Wojo was booed when introduced. It was a pretty pathetic display.
But yes, next year could be ugly either way. If Wojo is retained and we don't get off to a good start -- or even if we do -- he will be booed. And if Wojo is not retained, and our best players and recruits don't want to play for the new coach, fans won't be digging our very bad team.
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You can sell optimism with a new coach and program direction. Especially when the current coach has such low approval ratings.
But yes, if he returns next year, it will be very ugly.
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Do people honestly think we will be in the top third of the BE next year? I am having a hard time believing that.
That’s also assuming everyone stays. Which I would say is a big if in this college basketball landscape.
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The MU messaging needs to be: "we're young, inexperienced, COVID restricted our development, and with a full summer under our belt, we'll be much different."
In some ways, I think booing last year wasn't so much about the last year's team, but more about losing the Hausers and getting blown out in the NCAA the year prior.
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Booed at the end of last year? My family went to the Nova game. It was Jan. 4, less than halfway through the season and only the second Big East game. And we were 10-3. And we had gone to two of the previous three NCAA tournaments. Nevertheless, Wojo was booed when introduced. It was a pretty pathetic display.
But yes, next year could be ugly either way. If Wojo is retained and we don't get off to a good start -- or even if we do -- he will be booed. And if Wojo is not retained, and our best players and recruits don't want to play for the new coach, fans won't be digging our very bad team.
WISCONSIN boobirds are nothing new.
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Do people honestly think we will be in the top third of the BE next year? I am having a hard time believing that.
We could very easily be in the top third of the Big East RIGHT NOW with the current roster if we were able to close out games with any regularity. Our current 5-8 record could easily be 8-5 or 9-4 without the late-game failures and droughts.
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Guys. Wojo is coming back. The layoffs coupled with the loss ticket revenue (in the millions) makes it impossible to buyout the head coach and also the assistant coaches. Not a lot of money but significant is that BE shares its NCAA Tournament credits. They're for six years. No credits from last year and the shares from 6 years ago ended. That's about a third reduction.
As for "Hausergate." The only people that have a problem are a few people here. No teammates followed them out the door. The Admin. didn't make any changes to the program. Didn't prevent Stan from getting a HC job. We're still drawing top recruits from some of the best programs in the country (and these AAU guys know everyone and everything). Maybe. Just Maybe the Hausers (or one of them) were the problem and no one inside the program was sad to see them leave.
So you guys can create a new "fire Wojo" thread a day and say the same things over and over. Or you can accept the fact and move on.
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That’s also assuming everyone stays. Which I would say is a big if in this college basketball landscape.
This goes both ways, every team will have a unique opportunity to lose/add immediately eligible talent, including MU. Who knows how it will play out but will be a very interesting spring/summer...
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Not a lot of money but significant is that BE shares its NCAA Tournament credits. They're for six years. No credits from last year and the shares from 6 years ago ended. That's about a third reduction.
I don't want to dispute the part about the lost amount being significant, but it's only a 1/6 reduction in NCAA credits, not 1/3. This year the BE teams will all share the credits from 2019, 2018, 2017, 2016 and 2015 but there are no credits from last year. That's only a one sixth loss. Then next year, they still share 5/6, with no credits from 2020 (assuming there's a full tourney this year) but credits from 2021, (no 2020), 2019, 2018, 2017 and 2016. It's looking like the 2021 credits are likely to be somewhat smaller due to decreased ticket sales, but the TV money should be there in full.
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Some of the best "mature" writing I have seen here on the subject.
As I see it , most of the coaches we compete against have much more experience as head coaches. Although Wojo is a similar age to most of them he did not come up thru the ranks by being a head coach in the minors.
As mentioned, even St. Al McGuire learned by losing at Belmont Abbey.
Didn't we have the same problem with Raymonds and Rick Majerus?
Where is our corporate memory?
I'm sure when Wojo watches film he can see where the players failed and how he also is on a learning curve.
At least Wojo can recruit, that's something.
Now to learn how to run the end of game winning moves.
How hard can that be?
I would prefer that he continue on his learning journey somewhere else, while we bring in someone that has completed their journey. I have been patient, but the same issues arise every year so I have significantly less confidence that those will be addressed by him any time soon. 7 years is a long time. I wish him well on his path and thank him for his service. Next.
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We could very easily be in the top third of the Big East RIGHT NOW with the current roster if we were able to close out games with any regularity. Our current 5-8 record could easily be 8-5 or 9-4 without the late-game failures and droughts.
My point is that next year's roster, without a transfer in, could be worse.
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My point is that next year's roster, without a transfer in, could be worse.
Agreed.
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I think the ticket sales may work both ways. Chicken and the egg scenario.
As you say, we can’t fire Wojo based partially on the decreased income from a decrease in STHs.
If the season continues on the same trajectory as we think it will, I am expecting yet another big drop in STHs.
Can MU afford to stay on this path?
I hope MU can be forward thinking on this one, and get out ahead of what’s to come. It’s more likely that they extend Wojo and reduce his buyout.
If they wait another year or two...even more STHs will stay home, the boos will be even louder and recruits may wonder what the hell is happening at MU.
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"optics"
They just fired 39 people and then announced gifts of $36 million. Optics aren't the issue.
1. 39 people is just the most recent set of layoffs and represents 1.3% of their work force. It's not a small amount
2. More layoffs are likely coming
3. The gift was for $31 million not 36
4. That gift is very targeted and can only go to specific things, it doesn't help with the majority of the university's revenue loss
5. Even if the gift wasn't targeted and could help with the revenue loss, I think the gift is likely smaller than the budget shortfall from 2020
6. Its unlikely that the majority of the $31 million gets paid out right away. Most gifts of this size pay out over time or possibly even upon the donor's death. I'm not sure of the details here
I think y'all are underestimating how bad things are financially for Marquette right now. I don't know details about Marquette's situation, but I do know them for TAMU and the impact COVID has had is massive. TAMU has the endowment and financial stability to endure this, I'm not certain Marquette does. Plus, TAMU has been a lot more lax with COVID than Marquette has.
It's possible that Marquette decides that it is more financially sound to fire Wojo and hire someone new in an effort to breath new life into the program to keep STHs retained but my guess is that doesn't happen. The most likely outcome is that they Harbaugh Wojo's contract so he either performs at a high level next season or is fired.
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1. 39 people is just the most recent set of layoffs and represents 1.3% of their work force. It's not a small amount
2. More layoffs are likely coming
3. The gift was for $31 million not 36
4. That gift is very targeted and can only go to specific things, it doesn't help with the majority of the university's revenue loss
5. Even if the gift wasn't targeted and could help with the revenue loss, I think the gift is likely smaller than the budget shortfall from 2020
6. Its unlikely that the majority of the $31 million gets paid out right away. Most gifts of this size pay out over time or possibly even upon the donor's death. I'm not sure of the details here
I think y'all are underestimating how bad things are financially for Marquette right now. I don't know details about Marquette's situation, but I do know them for TAMU and the impact COVID has had is massive. TAMU has the endowment and financial stability to endure this, I'm not certain Marquette does. Plus, TAMU has been a lot more lax with COVID than Marquette has.
It's possible that Marquette decides that it is more financially sound to fire Wojo and hire someone new in an effort to breath new life into the program to keep STHs retained but my guess is that doesn't happen. The most likely outcome is that they Harbaugh Wojo's contract so he either performs at a high level next season or is fired.
I said gifts, plural. They announced two gifts one for 31 and one for 5.
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1. 39 people is just the most recent set of layoffs and represents 1.3% of their work force. It's not a small amount
2. More layoffs are likely coming
3. The gift was for $31 million not 36
4. That gift is very targeted and can only go to specific things, it doesn't help with the majority of the university's revenue loss
5. Even if the gift wasn't targeted and could help with the revenue loss, I think the gift is likely smaller than the budget shortfall from 2020
6. Its unlikely that the majority of the $31 million gets paid out right away. Most gifts of this size pay out over time or possibly even upon the donor's death. I'm not sure of the details here
I think y'all are underestimating how bad things are financially for Marquette right now. I don't know details about Marquette's situation, but I do know them for TAMU and the impact COVID has had is massive. TAMU has the endowment and financial stability to endure this, I'm not certain Marquette does. Plus, TAMU has been a lot more lax with COVID than Marquette has.
It's possible that Marquette decides that it is more financially sound to fire Wojo and hire someone new in an effort to breath new life into the program to keep STHs retained but my guess is that doesn't happen. The most likely outcome is that they Harbaugh Wojo's contract so he either performs at a high level next season or is fired.
Marquette's financial issues are almost entirely due to enrollment, which are not entirely due to Covid.
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Fun thread.
It will be interesting to see which Scoopers who are "certain" or "almost certain" something will happen will turn out to be right or wrong.
I expect Wojo to still be our coach next season. Saying that, with no real knowledge of the situation, makes me guilty of speculatin', too. I sure hope I'm wrong about it.
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Do people honestly think we will be in the top third of the BE next year? I am having a hard time believing that.
I think it's a possibility and should be the expectation for Wojo if he is the coach next season.
Assuming everyone comes back (big if but I'm more confident than I was before), we should be an improved team next season. We're losing roughly 40% of our production from this year's team. The average is usually around ~45% so we will have a slightly above average amount of production coming back. Not only that, but I think most would agree that the production leaving (Koby, Theo, Jamal) is more limited in their ability whereas the significant returners (Carton, Dawson, Lewis) appear to have much higher ceilings.
The recruiting class is in the top half of the conference and contains two players (Mitchell and Aidoo) that appear to be ready to play right away.
I'd agree that a transfer is necessary for me to feel good about next season. With insta-transfers being a thing this season, we will have plenty of options to choose from. I'm not worried about any of the big three transferring and I think Jose, Dexter, and Oso are all likely to stay. Greg and Sy are the only two I think may end up being transfers.
It's hard to project what next season will look like due to the extra COVID year, but the general wisdom seems to be that most seniors won't use their COVID years. If that holds true, most teams will be losing significant pieces next season:
Nova: Gillespie and Samuels (possibly JRE and Moore to draft)
Creighton: Ballock, O'Connell, Jefferson, and Mahoney (possibly Zegarowski to draft)
Seton Hall: Mamu, Cale, Reynolds, and Aiken
UConn: Polley, Whaley, Carlton (possibly Bougknight to draft)
Xavier: Scruggs, Johnson, Griffin, and Carter
St. John's: Should be really good next season
Providence: Watson and Horchler (possibly Duke to draft)
Georgetown: Blair, Pickett, and Bile
Butler: Thompson, Bolden, and Nze
DePaul: Moore
Based on who's coming back and assuming guys like Bougknight and Zegarowski go pro, I'd put Marquette in the top half next season. Add in the recruiting class and a transfer and its not too far to top 4.
This of course assumes that Wojo can actually make the team as good as the sum of its parts which based on the last two seasons, is far from a guarantee. The complaint years 1-5 was that he couldn't make the team more than the sum of its parts. Lately, he hasn't even been able to do that.
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I don't think it's been decided yet, one way or another. He could very well determine his destiny in these last 6 games on the schedule. Go something like 2-4 down the stretch, finish below .500 on the season and 8th-11th in the conference, I think that could be the nail in the coffin. Go 4-2 and finish at or above .500, maybe 5th-7th in the conference, maybe win a game or two in the conf tourney, and I think it makes it easier to keep him one more year. Tournament teams the prior 2 seasons, some solid potential guys coming back, finishing strong, weirdness of Covid season, etc. can all be pointed to.
The free transfer rule makes me think it could be the perfect time to pull the plug. There will already be so much uncertainty & turnover with rosters for all schools, and maybe it even helps speed up a rebuild with potential transfers able to play right away.
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Marquette's financial issues are almost entirely due to enrollment, which are not entirely due to Covid.
That's part of my point. I know how badly COVID hit TAMU, a university with zero enrollment issues. I can only imagine how much it hurt a university with significant enrollment issues.
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1. 39 people is just the most recent set of layoffs and represents 1.3% of their work force. It's not a small amount
2. More layoffs are likely coming
3. The gift was for $31 million not 36
4. That gift is very targeted and can only go to specific things, it doesn't help with the majority of the university's revenue loss
5. Even if the gift wasn't targeted and could help with the revenue loss, I think the gift is likely smaller than the budget shortfall from 2020
6. Its unlikely that the majority of the $31 million gets paid out right away. Most gifts of this size pay out over time or possibly even upon the donor's death. I'm not sure of the details here
I think y'all are underestimating how bad things are financially for Marquette right now. I don't know details about Marquette's situation, but I do know them for TAMU and the impact COVID has had is massive. TAMU has the endowment and financial stability to endure this, I'm not certain Marquette does. Plus, TAMU has been a lot more lax with COVID than Marquette has.
It's possible that Marquette decides that it is more financially sound to fire Wojo and hire someone new in an effort to breath new life into the program to keep STHs retained but my guess is that doesn't happen. The most likely outcome is that they Harbaugh Wojo's contract so he either performs at a high level next season or is fired.
This. There is absolutely no way Marquette fires Wojo given the financial insecurity that currently exists thanks to covid and enrollment issues. That's not to say that I don't think he should be on the hot seat, I just don't see it making any fiscal sense for the university to do so unless someone comes along to underwrite the buyout.
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How worried about MU should we be? I mean it sounds like Wojo stays we lose ticket rev which kills us. If Wojo leaves we pay a massive buyout which kills us. Are we basically going bankrupt either way?
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How worried about MU should we be? I mean it sounds like Wojo stays we lose ticket rev which kills us. If Wojo leaves we pay a massive buyout which kills us. Are we basically going bankrupt either way?
It's the way of the projo. If we give up on the coach we have to completely rebuild and start over. If we fire him now, no one reputable will be our coach. Who would possibly replace him.
Arby's
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Guys. Wojo is coming back. The layoffs coupled with the loss ticket revenue (in the millions) makes it impossible to buyout the head coach and also the assistant coaches. Not a lot of money but significant is that BE shares its NCAA Tournament credits. They're for six years. No credits from last year and the shares from 6 years ago ended. That's about a third reduction.
As for "Hausergate." The only people that have a problem are a few people here. No teammates followed them out the door. The Admin. didn't make any changes to the program. Didn't prevent Stan from getting a HC job. We're still drawing top recruits from some of the best programs in the country (and these AAU guys know everyone and everything). Maybe. Just Maybe the Hausers (or one of them) were the problem and no one inside the program was sad to see them leave.
So you guys can create a new "fire Wojo" thread a day and say the same things over and over. Or you can accept the fact and move on.
You should post more often.
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It's the way of the projo. If we give up on the coach we have to completely rebuild and start over. If we fire him now, no one reputable will be our coach. Who would possibly replace him.
Arby's
I'm talking about more than just basketball. Like are our MU degrees going to be worthless pretty soon?
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I actually think the financials may make it prudent to get rid of Wojo now if you can make a prolific hire. If you can get someone who will put butts in the seats & win, the donations and revenue may offset the losses they'll face if Wojo stays. I don't think it's a surprise that MU saw donations & applications go up even in non-basketball programs after 2003. The University needs Men's basketball to be relevant, not just for athletics, but for the school as a whole.
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How worried about MU should we be? I mean it sounds like Wojo stays we lose ticket rev which kills us. If Wojo leaves we pay a massive buyout which kills us. Are we basically going bankrupt either way?
Marquette isn't going bankrupt. But it is going to need to string a few good class years together for the sake of financial health.
And I actually think you can find a way to buy out a coach IF you are committed to doing so. My feeling is they aren't committed to that yet.
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Alternative question: if COVID didn’t exist, and Marquette’s enrollment wasn’t declining, would Wojo be more likely to be fired after this season? If money wasn’t a factor, would you feel the school would separate itself from Wojo, due to perceived expectations not being met? Or, no matter what - even if team loses out - would he be guaranteed to come back?
Perhaps the larger question is whether the school finds the current state of the program acceptable? And if it does, why not guarantee Wojo come back for a fourth year (extension) but even longer?
Regardless of what happens, I’m fascinated by what will happen with remaining games and the response it will have.
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Anybody want to put money on the fact everyone comes back? No chance given wojo's history and now Vid and transfer rules, NO CHANCE. If seniors leave, and even one of DG, JL or DJ leave we are screwed! Next years excuse will be we are young, not enough experience etc etc.
MU will take a huge hit next year, I think attendance may be lowest in decades???? The excitement of FF is gone. I don't care what you sell the fans, they know wojo, nobody is impressed. This isn't year 3, maybe then you could still fool people, not going into year 8! MU has NEVER hired a high profile experienced coach, they are not going to start now. Personally I think someone like Wardle is best we can do. Would run a clean program, is a better coach, MU presumably his dream job etc.
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I actually think the financials may make it prudent to get rid of Wojo now if you can make a prolific hire. If you can get someone who will put butts in the seats & win, the donations and revenue may offset the losses they'll face if Wojo stays. I don't think it's a surprise that MU saw donations & applications go up even in non-basketball programs after 2003. The University needs Men's basketball to be relevant, not just for athletics, but for the school as a whole.
YES Probably the only way to create any excitement or sense of optimism would be a new coach.
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FWIW, Wake Forest, a private school with a basketball-first athletics program, in the middle of COVID, did fire their head coach last Spring. They have a smaller enrollment than Marquette, and has a larger athletic expense line due to football. His buyout was around $15 million, if I recall.
Somehow they were able to come up with a buyout. I get not being able to compete with state schools, but this a small Baptist school in NC (with a strong basketball history and tradition). If a school wants to fire a head coach, they will find a way. I guess the question is whether or not Marquette will want to in a few short weeks.
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FWIW, Wake Forest, a private school with a basketball-first athletics program, in the middle of COVID, did fire their head coach last Spring. They have a smaller enrollment than Marquette, and has a larger athletic expense line due to football. His buyout was around $15 million, if I recall.
Somehow they were able to come up with a buyout. I get not being able to compete with state schools, but this a small Baptist school in NC (with a strong basketball history and tradition). If a school wants to fire a head coach, they will find a way. I guess the question is whether or not Marquette will want to in a few short weeks.
Wake is very well endowed compared to Marquette plus the ACC football money helps their athletic budget.
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FWIW, Wake Forest, a private school with a basketball-first athletics program, in the middle of COVID, did fire their head coach last Spring. They have a smaller enrollment than Marquette, and has a larger athletic expense line due to football. His buyout was around $15 million, if I recall.
Somehow they were able to come up with a buyout. I get not being able to compete with state schools, but this a small Baptist school in NC (with a strong basketball history and tradition). If a school wants to fire a head coach, they will find a way. I guess the question is whether or not Marquette will want to in a few short weeks.
The University of Wisconsin schools are doing quite poorly financially compared to many of the private schools. I wouldn't doubt that is the case in many states.
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Pat Forde has him on the list of "probably not fired, but getting dire" list here: https://www.si.com/college/2021/02/08/ncaa-basketball-john-calipari-jim-boeheim-status (https://www.si.com/college/2021/02/08/ncaa-basketball-john-calipari-jim-boeheim-status)
Steve Wojciechowski (13), Marquette. He looked like the golden hire who would sustain the work of Tom Crean and Buzz Williams, but the follow-through hasn’t been there. In late February 2019, Marquette was 23–4 and ranked in the top 10. Then the Golden Eagles went flat the rest of that season and haven’t recovered. Record since then: 28–28, as a prized pair of twins transferred. Wojo is now 9–10 in Year 7, with two NCAA appearances and no tourney wins to date.
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Pat Forde has him on the list of "probably not fired, but getting dire" list here: https://www.si.com/college/2021/02/08/ncaa-basketball-john-calipari-jim-boeheim-status (https://www.si.com/college/2021/02/08/ncaa-basketball-john-calipari-jim-boeheim-status)
Steve Wojciechowski (13), Marquette. He looked like the golden hire who would sustain the work of Tom Crean and Buzz Williams, but the follow-through hasn’t been there. In late February 2019, Marquette was 23–4 and ranked in the top 10. Then the Golden Eagles went flat the rest of that season and haven’t recovered. Record since then: 28–28, as a prized pair of twins transferred. Wojo is now 9–10 in Year 7, with two NCAA appearances and no tourney wins to date.
Forde must think all white boys look alike.
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Forde must think all white boys look alike.
Maybe he was thinking Hrbek and Killebrew transferred.
He's probably right about Wojo's status, though.
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Forde must think all white boys look alike.
Twins, but just separated by a few years.
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Wake is very well endowed compared to Marquette plus the ACC football money helps their athletic budget.
Not sure how this ended, but Wake atleast didn’t think they were obligated to pay the (full) buyout because of misdoings
https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/1255853290442686464?s=21
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FWIW, Wake Forest, a private school with a basketball-first athletics program, in the middle of COVID, did fire their head coach last Spring. They have a smaller enrollment than Marquette, and has a larger athletic expense line due to football. His buyout was around $15 million, if I recall.
Somehow they were able to come up with a buyout. I get not being able to compete with state schools, but this a small Baptist school in NC (with a strong basketball history and tradition). If a school wants to fire a head coach, they will find a way. I guess the question is whether or not Marquette will want to in a few short weeks.
Many thought Manning was gonna get fired a year earlier but they gave him one more chance, and he failed miserably again.
That could serve as a cautionary tale to the MU honchos.
But then again, by body of work, Manning made Wojo look like John Wooden.
There haven't been too many coaches in recent years to last 6 years at a P6 school with the kind of record Manning had at Wake, a once very proud basketball school. In looking up his record just now, it was even worse than I had remembered!
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So you guys can create a new "fire Wojo" thread a day and say the same things over and over. Or you can accept the fact and move on.
Moving on is hard apparently. I choose to just keep supporting the team. It's really the only thing a fan is responsible for.
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FWIW, Wake Forest, a private school with a basketball-first athletics program, in the middle of COVID, did fire their head coach last Spring. They have a smaller enrollment than Marquette, and has a larger athletic expense line due to football. His buyout was around $15 million, if I recall.
Somehow they were able to come up with a buyout. I get not being able to compete with state schools, but this a small Baptist school in NC (with a strong basketball history and tradition). If a school wants to fire a head coach, they will find a way. I guess the question is whether or not Marquette will want to in a few short weeks.
It helps when a donor says that they'll pay the buyout. If you know anyone, tell them to give Lovell a call.
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YES Probably the only way to create any excitement or sense of optimism would be a new coach.
Not just a new coach, but a coach that will draw a crowd. Whether that's stylistically, like Oats (maybe DeVries) or on name recognition like Beilein, it would have to be a hire that moves the needle. Those are not easy hires to make. Honestly, it's probably not the kind of hire Marquette has ever made in the past.
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It helps when a donor says that they'll pay the buyout. If you know anyone, tell them to give Lovell a call.
If a donor could afford pay to for Wojo's buyout why not throw in a little extra and buyout Lovell as well.
Wipe the slate clean.
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I think it's a possibility and should be the expectation for Wojo if he is the coach next season.
Assuming everyone comes back (big if but I'm more confident than I was before), we should be an improved team next season. We're losing roughly 40% of our production from this year's team. The average is usually around ~45% so we will have a slightly above average amount of production coming back. Not only that, but I think most would agree that the production leaving (Koby, Theo, Jamal) is more limited in their ability whereas the significant returners (Carton, Dawson, Lewis) appear to have much higher ceilings.
The recruiting class is in the top half of the conference and contains two players (Mitchell and Aidoo) that appear to be ready to play right away.
I'd agree that a transfer is necessary for me to feel good about next season. With insta-transfers being a thing this season, we will have plenty of options to choose from. I'm not worried about any of the big three transferring and I think Jose, Dexter, and Oso are all likely to stay. Greg and Sy are the only two I think may end up being transfers.
It's hard to project what next season will look like due to the extra COVID year, but the general wisdom seems to be that most seniors won't use their COVID years. If that holds true, most teams will be losing significant pieces next season:
Nova: Gillespie and Samuels (possibly JRE and Moore to draft)
Creighton: Ballock, O'Connell, Jefferson, and Mahoney (possibly Zegarowski to draft)
Seton Hall: Mamu, Cale, Reynolds, and Aiken
UConn: Polley, Whaley, Carlton (possibly Bougknight to draft)
Xavier: Scruggs, Johnson, Griffin, and Carter
St. John's: Should be really good next season
Providence: Watson and Horchler (possibly Duke to draft)
Georgetown: Blair, Pickett, and Bile
Butler: Thompson, Bolden, and Nze
DePaul: Moore
Based on who's coming back and assuming guys like Bougknight and Zegarowski go pro, I'd put Marquette in the top half next season. Add in the recruiting class and a transfer and its not too far to top 4.
This of course assumes that Wojo can actually make the team as good as the sum of its parts which based on the last two seasons, is far from a guarantee. The complaint years 1-5 was that he couldn't make the team more than the sum of its parts. Lately, he hasn't even been able to do that.
This scenario would get some people off the ledge and more engaged but it better happen from the get go. A few bad losses in the non-conference season against teams that the fan base expects to beat and there will be revolt.
But if what you predict happens with regard to the talent we have staying and the incoming freshmen are ready to play, they could be good. They need to be better than the sum of their parts for the first time under Wojo.
I too agree they will not fire Wojo.
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It's 7 years and he's shown no growth as a coach. Inconsistent offense, at times phantom defenses, way, way to many turnovers, and coaching decisions that at times are at best completely confusing. He's not going to get better as a coach, it would have shown by now, he's mediocre at best, and if MU wants to be a middle of the pack BE team, then keep WOJO, but if they want to compete, he's got to go.
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Pat Forde has him on the list of "probably not fired, but getting dire" list here: https://www.si.com/college/2021/02/08/ncaa-basketball-john-calipari-jim-boeheim-status (https://www.si.com/college/2021/02/08/ncaa-basketball-john-calipari-jim-boeheim-status)
Who has a better track record at this point:
Coach A: Seven year record of 124-91, 56-65 (.462) in Big East, two NCAAs, last ranked in 2019-20
Coach B: Four year record of 54-55, 22-41 (.349) in Big East, no NCAAs, never ranked in Top 25
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Who has a better track record at this point:
Coach A: Seven year record of 124-91, 56-65 (.462) in Big East, two NCAAs, last ranked in 2019-20
Coach B: Four year record of 54-55, 22-41 (.349) in Big East, no NCAAs, never ranked in Top 25
Coach A. But for two of the four most storied programs in the Big East neither is getting it done.
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I was going to include coach C but that wouldn't be fair to anyone.
Six year record of 64-106, 20-79 in the Big East, contract inexplicably renewed by a departing AD.
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My point is that next year's roster, without a transfer in, could be worse.
I do not see how next year's roster as it stands now is going to be any good. The base is to weak. No way MU wins a Big East game next year without Carton, Garcia and Lewis. For MU to win all three need to have good games. Based on how inconsistent these players have been this year, there are only going to be a few games next year where all three are having good games at the same time. Those games we will win. The rest we will lose.
Does another coach with this same team have significantly better results is the real question?
Wojo' is responsible for the talent on the floor and if you realistically look at it it is not good enough to finish in the upper tier of the Big East. This is were most of us differ. The common theme on this site is Wojo can recruit, but he cannot game coach. I think Wojo works very hard at recruiting, but does not have enough success to have MU be really good. Most, if not all, of our Big East losses this year have been to teams with more talent.
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Guys. Wojo is coming back. The layoffs coupled with the loss ticket revenue (in the millions) makes it impossible to buyout the head coach and also the assistant coaches. Not a lot of money but significant is that BE shares its NCAA Tournament credits. They're for six years. No credits from last year and the shares from 6 years ago ended. That's about a third reduction.
As for "Hausergate." The only people that have a problem are a few people here. No teammates followed them out the door. The Admin. didn't make any changes to the program. Didn't prevent Stan from getting a HC job. We're still drawing top recruits from some of the best programs in the country (and these AAU guys know everyone and everything). Maybe. Just Maybe the Hausers (or one of them) were the problem and no one inside the program was sad to see them leave.
So you guys can create a new "fire Wojo" thread a day and say the same things over and over. Or you can accept the fact and move on.
If Joey and Sam would have returned, the team would have been in all of the top 25 Pre-seaon poles. It would have brought brand cognition back to Marquette. I also believe (If the Hausers and Markus could have mended relationships) that the team would have figured out a way to win (even with Wojo coaching) and would have been top 15, and ready for a potential tournament run.
In addition, Joey would now be "The Guy" on this year's team which is in desperate need of one, and would have helped solidify a strong base to grow future teams from.
Say what you want, but Wojo lost control of his locker room and the program is paying the price.
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Say what you want
OK. I'll say it. Joey was the locker room problem, helped start this downward trend, and it's Wojo's fault for ever bringing him in at all. Since you allowed us to say what we want :)
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OK. I'll say it. Joey was the locker room problem, helped start this downward trend, and it's Wojo's fault for ever bringing him in at all. Since you allowed us to say what we want :)
And why was Joey upset? OK. I'll say it - Markus was injured in Feb. and like a true warrior wanted to tough it out. Even with his injury, Wojo still ran the "Markus show" though both Joey, and Sam could have helped shoulder the load. We all watched Markus shoot absurd shots, while Joey and Sam stood wide opened. This board couldn't figure it out, and I'm sure the Hauser's were in the same boat and became pi$$ed.
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If Joey and Sam would have returned, the team would have been in all of the top 25 Pre-seaon poles. It would have brought brand cognition back to Marquette. I also believe (If the Hausers and Markus could have mended relationships) that the team would have figured out a way to win (even with Wojo coaching) and would have been top 15, and ready for a potential tournament run.
In addition, Joey would now be "The Guy" on this year's team which is in desperate need of one, and would have helped solidify a strong base to grow future teams from.
Say what you want, but Wojo lost control of his locker room and the program is paying the price.
The "way too early" top 25's had us top 5 to top 10 before they left.
One thing to consider is that there was relatively little movement last year and will be relatively little this year as well. That means a deeper pool of potential coaches looking to move on with less competition.
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Moser has Loyola back in the Top 25 in both polls.
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Moser has Loyola back in the Top 25 in both polls.
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"Markus show" though both Joey, and Sam could have helped shoulder the load.
You talking about the Joey that shot 35% on 6.7 shots per game in Feb 2019?
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/joey-hauser-1/gamelog/9999/#20190205-20190227-sum:gamelog
Meanwhile "hurt" Markus shot 43% on 18 shots per game in that timeframe.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/markus-howard-1/gamelog/2019#20190205-20190227-sum:gamelog
Shocking that the coach wouldn't have deferred to Joey. I know!
Edit, I'll eat some crow. I had to look up when Markus was injured, going from the presumed Feb 20 timeline to the end of the season.:
Markus 35% on 18.3 FGA/game
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/markus-howard-1/gamelog/2019#20190220-20190321-sum:gamelog
Joey 42% on 7.7 FGA/game
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/joey-hauser-1/gamelog/9999/#20190220-20190321-sum:gamelog
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You talking about the Joey that shot 35% on 6.7 shots per game in Feb 2019?
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/joey-hauser-1/gamelog/9999/#20190205-20190227-sum:gamelog
Meanwhile "hurt" Markus shot 43% on 18 shots per game in that timeframe.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/markus-howard-1/gamelog/2019#20190205-20190227-sum:gamelog
Shocking that the coach wouldn't have deferred to Joey. I know!
Wow you're about to receive a strongly worded letter from a Mr J. Hauser
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OK. I'll say it. Joey was the locker room problem, helped start this downward trend, and it's Wojo's fault for ever bringing him in at all. Since you allowed us to say what we want :)
If Hausers Stayed, there would have been 3 other players that would have transferred ! ! !
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Wow you're about to receive a strongly worded letter from a Mr J. Hauser
I did go back and edit my post, I couldn't remember when Markus was hurt - and my stats were off because of that. But still, Joey is clearly cancer. He's singlehandedly killing Izzo's legacy. Even his own brother didn't want to play with him anymore.
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I did go back and edit my post, I couldn't remember when Markus was hurt - and my stats were off because of that. But still, Joey is clearly cancer. He's singlehandedly killing Izzo's legacy. Even his own brother didn't want to play with him anymore.
I mean I don't want to speculate on MSU. I definitely think Joey was likely thin skinned and bought too much into his own pre injury hype. That being said he's a talented basketball player and the pair of the did have somewhat of a point about over use of Markus.
Side note, it's hilarious to read how disappointed MSU fans are of joey
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Already been thoroughly covered ...
Joey hit the wall. He not only couldn't shoot over the last 2 months as a freshman but he became a turnover machine - 5 against Creighton literally gave away that game, plus 4 each against Nova and SH in close losses. And a total defensive liability.
Sam also struggled. 1-7 vs Creighton, 2-11 vs GT, 5 TO vs SH. In our last 4 losses, including in the BET and NCAAT, he averaged 15.5 shots; it's not like he wasn't getting the ball. (Markus averaged 19.5 shots in the same games.) Many have speculated that he was still hurting some from the previous season's injury, and that's certainly possible.
Sam is a hell of a basketball player. Any Scooper who won't admit that either doesn't understand the game or simply wants to hate just for the sake of it. Our team would have been significantly better last season had he been on it, and he'd have been remembered as one of the best players of the post-Al era. It's a damn shame that it didn't work out, and a lot of that absolutely is on Wojo. Bennett must love having Sam on the team; what a gift.
But Joey ... he has some offensive talent, but he disappeared for 2 months as a freshman and he's not exactly burning it up as a Spartan. I mean, Joey just had a game with zero points, 1 rebound and 5 fouls against the worst team in the Big 14. He has had three games with 12+ points all season. And he's still a statue on defense. If he were putting up these stats for Marquette this season, Wojo would be getting killed for his inability to "develop" Joey. At some point, it's on the player. I don't miss the pouty mutineer at all.
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As a nojo but also a realist I'm reasonably certain he's back next year because the financial situation doesn't support a buy out and the bad press related to that kind of spend would be viewed by administration as unwarranted.
That situation doesn't make him any better as a basketball coach. You could give him the Milwaukee Bucks roster as a Big East team and he'd go .500 because he doesn't have an offensive system and the defense is worse.
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As a nojo but also a realist I'm reasonably certain he's back next year because the financial situation doesn't support a buy out and the bad press related to that kind of spend would be viewed by administration as unwarranted.
That situation doesn't make him any better as a basketball coach. You could give him the Milwaukee Bucks roster as a Big East team and he'd go .500 because he doesn't have an offensive system and the defense is worse.
Yeah, no doubt.
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Yeah, you could give Wojo the 1995-96 Bulls and he'd go 4-27, and the only 4 wins would be against middle-school teams.
There has never been, nor will there ever be, a worse coach than Wojo. If he even watches a game on TV, the team he's rooting for automatically loses. He bought his wife a Coach purse, and it fell apart. It's his fault that Coach from Cheers died. And I'm still trying to figure out why he called those KC timeouts right before halftime of the Super Bowl.
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Change the question to, "Should Wojo ...", not, "Will Wojo ...". Believe the results would be very different. :'(
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"optics"
They just fired 39 people and then announced gifts of $36 million. Optics aren't the issue.
Those are targeted gifts for very specific purposes. Overall general endowment fund raising has been a disaster
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Who has a better track record at this point:
Coach A: Seven year record of 124-91, 56-65 (.462) in Big East, two NCAAs, last ranked in 2019-20
Coach B: Four year record of 54-55, 22-41 (.349) in Big East, no NCAAs, never ranked in Top 25
We both expected to be regulars at the top of the league when this started in 2013 along with Villanova, instead they've lapped us and programs like Xavier and Creighton have been better than the former national champs in the room. Kind of depressing.
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Six games left. Big East Tournament (at present) is still on, but wouldn't be surprised if it gets cancelled due to tournament teams needing to quarantine. Let's play out worst case scenario: MU goes 0-6 to close (which would be an 0-7 ending) and finishes 9-16.
To the firm believers that the money is too much, that next year is guaranteed, that there is no way there is a coaching change: is THAT enough to trigger a firing?
What about a 1-5 close? What if DePaul wins again?
Questions to ponder in the coming weeks.
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A good coach has to be a teacher first. As the coach teaches the individuals the coach is also teaching a team. Once the teaching is in place, the coach can begin to coach.
A sign a coach is not a teacher, is if the same problems continue from player to player, team to team, year to year. As an example, Coach Wojo's teams have been consistently turnover prone since day one.
Coach Wojo has not accomplished the basic objective of a coach. That is, to teach. This is why, in seven years, he was never able to turn the proverbial corner.
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The title of this thread puts me in mind of one of the questions you have to answer when donating blood: Have you, in the last twenty years, been paid, even once,for sex?
They only offer a yes or a no.
I think in both cases the answer is: Sadly, no.
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You talking about the Joey that shot 35% on 6.7 shots per game in Feb 2019?
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/joey-hauser-1/gamelog/9999/#20190205-20190227-sum:gamelog
Meanwhile "hurt" Markus shot 43% on 18 shots per game in that timeframe.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/markus-howard-1/gamelog/2019#20190205-20190227-sum:gamelog
Shocking that the coach wouldn't have deferred to Joey. I know!
Edit, I'll eat some crow. I had to look up when Markus was injured, going from the presumed Feb 20 timeline to the end of the season.:
Markus 35% on 18.3 FGA/game
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/markus-howard-1/gamelog/2019#20190220-20190321-sum:gamelog
Joey 42% on 7.7 FGA/game
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/joey-hauser-1/gamelog/9999/#20190220-20190321-sum:gamelog
Rocky - this is why I appreciate your posts so much! Your open to others opinions and even go a full step further by conducting research and providing insightful content!!!
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What if DePaul wins again?
Scoop might break
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To the firm believers that the money is too much, that next year is guaranteed, that there is no way there is a coaching change: is THAT enough to trigger a firing?
I don't know. The only way he will be fired is if MU decides it is more financially sound to fire him than Harbaugh him. I don't know if losing out will change the calculus on that decision enough. Personally, I think its more likely that a donor gets pissed off enough to offer to pay the buyout.
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I don't know. The only way he will be fired is if MU decides it is more financially sound to fire him than Harbaugh him. I don't know if losing out will change the calculus on that decision enough. Personally, I think its more likely that a donor gets pissed off enough to offer to pay the buyout.
One important factor is that Scholl will be 64 this year. MU won't want to repeat the shytshow with Shaka with no AD (or President named). I have no idea as to his retirement plans, just pointing out there may be other factors in play as a new AD, even if it's Broeker or Danielle will want his/her pick in place.
One more year makes more sense in many ways whether we agree or not.
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Wojo should still take the blame for Hausergate, regardless. Is anyone shocked that Markus, Joey and Sam couldn't play together? Three guys that wanted shots, needed shots. Joey was crowned when admitted early for surgery, whether he was crowned or the crown was self-entitled the soft serve was getting out of the cone.
There's a reason why they didn't take their talents to a school together. Sam and Markus were tight. Joey thought he was a two and NBA guy.
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There's a reason why they didn't take their talents to a school together. Sam and Markus were tight. Joey thought he was a two and NBA guy.
Do you know this for sure? I mean the bros considered WI as a package after they announced the transfer
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Do you know this for sure? I mean the bros considered WI as a package after they announced the transfer
I think that was more Trevor Anderson's dad opening his big stupid mouth and giving Jeff Potrykus bad information, which Potrykus went so far as to tweet, and maybe even report in the MJS if memory serves. Those two clowns acted like a couple of dumb criminals in a Cohen brothers movie, which made the Hausers' eventual decision pretty funny.
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Wojo should still take the blame for Hausergate, regardless. Is anyone shocked that Markus, Joey and Sam couldn't play together? Three guys that wanted shots, needed shots. Joey was crowned when admitted early for surgery, whether he was crowned or the crown was self-entitled the soft serve was getting out of the cone.
There's a reason why they didn't take their talents to a school together. Sam and Markus were tight. Joey thought he was a two and NBA guy.
In retrospect, it would have been better for the program had Joey gone elsewhere. We probably would have finished stronger in 2019, we’d have had Sam last season (and maybe even this year if he opted for a COVID season), and there wouldn’t have been the stain of Hausershima.
Of course, had Joey gone elsewhere, Wojo would have been pilloried for failing to land Sam’s brother. But such criticism goes with being a coach.
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In retrospect, it would have been better for the program had Joey gone elsewhere.
It made sense at the time, but in hindsight, him coming a semester early was a bad idea. He was injured, not terribly happy, and missed his HS crew. I know the rehab and treatment program was important, but he might have been in a better mental space had he just stayed in Point until that June.
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One important factor is that Scholl will be 64 this year. MU won't want to repeat the shytshow with Shaka with no AD (or President named). I have no idea as to his retirement plans, just pointing out there may be other factors in play as a new AD, even if it's Broeker or Danielle will want his/her pick in place.
One more year makes more sense in many ways whether we agree or not.
Yep. Given everything going on financially at the University, firing Wojo is not going to happen. The optics of paying a buyout will not fly regardless of how bad the season may end up. The only way a change happens is if Wojo leaves on his own.
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It made sense at the time, but in hindsight, him coming a semester early was a bad idea. He was injured, not terribly happy, and missed his HS crew. I know the rehab and treatment program was important, but he might have been in a better mental space had he just stayed in Point until that June.
I don't even think it made a lot of sense at the time. The reasoning for it was he could partake in MU's conditioning program right away and they would help him with his rehab, but I'm sure he could've found (or MU could've helped him find) a first rate physical therapist in the Point area who could help him along until he came to MU in June.
My tinfoil hat conspiracy theory reason for why they convinced him to come early is to burn his redshirt year, so that after Sam graduated he'd have to think pretty damn hard about transferring because he'd lose a season of eligibility if he did so. From what's come out since Hausergate, we know how close he came to choosing MSU, and it's been said that the only reason he chose Marquette is because Sam convinced him to come here. Wojo and co. likely knew this, and acted accordingly.
Again, totally just a conspiracy theory of mine, but as Dostoevsky said at the beginning of the Brothers K, "Since it is written, let it stand."
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I don't even think it made a lot of sense at the time. The reasoning for it was he could partake in MU's conditioning program right away and they would help him with his rehab, but I'm sure he could've found (or MU could've helped him find) a first rate physical therapist in the Point area who could help him along until he came to MU in June.
My tinfoil hat conspiracy theory reason for why they convinced him to come early is to burn his redshirt year, so that after Sam graduated he'd have to think pretty damn hard about transferring because he'd lose a season of eligibility if he did so. From what's come out since Hausergate, we know how close he came to choosing MSU, and it's been said that the only reason he chose Marquette is because Sam convinced him to come here. Wojo and co. likely knew this, and acted accordingly.
Again, totally just a conspiracy theory of mine, but as Dostoevsky said at the beginning of the Brothers K, "Since it is written, let it stand."
Another reason is he had surgery in MKE by the Bucks doctor on MU’s dime...and he had had dreams of one and done (with his brother) like Henry.
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Another reason is he had surgery in MKE by the Bucks doctor on MU’s dime...and he had had dreams of one and done (with his brother) like Henry.
He had surgery in Green Bay.
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He had surgery in Green Bay.
The Packers’ MD, who is a foot/ ankle specialist, correct? I did find it funny at the time that MU assumed that there were no good rehab providers in Point.
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And Wojo was in the room when he woke up. He came down to Milwaukee to rehab...and the first team all American went home to Arizona for the summer.
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He had surgery in Green Bay.
That's right. Thanks
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The Packers’ MD, who is a foot/ ankle specialist, correct? I did find it funny at the time that MU assumed that there were no good rehab providers in Point.
MU never assumed that.
This idea that getting Joey here was some tinfoil hat way to burn his redshirt or whatever is nonsense. It was a way to get him here early, involved with the program, and a start on his classes. This is routinely done with football players and was only able in this case due to injury.
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MU never assumed that.
This idea that getting Joey here was some tinfoil hat way to burn his redshirt or whatever is nonsense. It was a way to get him here early, involved with the program, and a start on his classes. This is routinely done with football players and was only able in this case due to injury.
Yep. Hundreds of football players do this every season. Basketball players can't ... unless they are injured.
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Jeesh ... more red flags than a rainy day at a Nascar event.
Was Buzz going 14-17 at New Orleans a "red flag"? Was Al going 13-39 his last two seasons at Belmont Abbey followed by 8-18 and 14-12 his first two seasons at MU a "red flag"? Was Jay Wright failing to make the NCAA tournament in his first three years at Nova (with an 11th-place finish in Year 3) a "red flag"? A coach having a losing record in his first year or two at a new program is EXTREMELY common. So that was just silly.
I mean, was Wojo improving to 20 wins his second season and then taking us to the NCAAs in what was a pretty fun third season a "green flag" that all was well?
Hausershima, when coupled with the mutiny-fueled collapse, was not good at the time, and very bad in retrospect (even though it didn't hurt our recruiting at all, as I worried it would).
The other stuff is just a series of troublesome facts, not really red flags. And the facts suggest he is not a good enough coach for our alma mater.
I have my doubts that the powers-that-be will agree with us enough to eat his buyout, however.
Just got of curiosity, what would constitute a "red flag" in your opinion is none of the things listed got that level?
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MU never assumed that.
This idea that getting Joey here was some tinfoil hat way to burn his redshirt or whatever is nonsense. It was a way to get him here early, involved with the program, and a start on his classes. This is routinely done with football players and was only able in this case due to injury.
Oh I agree. Sorry, it was people on scoop that were saying that.
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Do you know this for sure? I mean the bros considered WI as a package after they announced the transfer
That was reported, but from what I heard it was never close to true. They put them on their list but I heard very early that Wisconsin wasn't actually a consideration.
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That was reported, but from what I heard it was never close to true. They put them on their list but I heard very early that Wisconsin wasn't actually a consideration.
Dodds claimed it was a done deal. That’s all you need to know if you think they ever considered UW.
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Just got of curiosity, what would constitute a "red flag" in your opinion is none of the things listed got that level?
I think maybe you and I simply define "red flag" differently. I define "red flag" as a signal of danger, a truly ominous sign. And no, I don't think Wojo going 13-19 his first year was a "red flag." Does anybody need to list the very good to great coaches who had bad records their first year at their first big coaching job? The list would be so darn long your eyes would cross leading it.
As I said in my (perhaps too sarcastic) response, would you say the team's solid 2016-17 season, Wojo's third at MU, was a "green flag"? Him losing his first NCAA tournament game to end that season was not a "red flag." Again, the list of coaches who had that same result would include numerous Hall of Famers. The program was progressing. We made the tourney, and we had two freshmen who looked like they could be stars. IMHO it wasn't a "red flag" of anything that they lost that tourney game to a home team that went on to reach the Final Four.
If we're looking for a "red flag" to agree on, it was Hausershima. It concerned me greatly at the time but I thought that its biggest impact would be on recruiting. When Wojo went out and landed Garcia, Lewis, Oso and DJ despite Hausershima, I probably dismissed the negatives too quickly. But yes, it was a major "red flag."
By the time we got to last year's collapse, it wasn't really a red flag in my eyes because a majority of Scoopers already were convinced he wasn't good enough. The doom already had been expected. And this season's losing record? Heck, just about all of us are convinced he's the wrong guy for the job.
Just my take. Others are allowed to disagree.
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That was reported, but from what I heard it was never close to true. They put them on their list but I heard very early that Wisconsin wasn't actually a consideration.
UW was very much in the mix, up until a couple days before the announcement. And the fact they got blueballed again was hilarious.
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UW was very much in the mix, up until a couple days before the announcement. And the fact they got blueballed again was hilarious.
A Scooper who claims to know a lot of behind-the-scenes stuff PMed me on 4 separate occasions in the spring of 2019 to tell me the Hausers were going to Madison. Oops.
Like just about every other Scooper, I was very disappointed when they decided to leave our alma mater. But when they stiffed Madison for a second time - and with everybody, including every Madison fan, having expected them to go there - I have to admit that I laughed my arse off.
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UW was very much in the mix, up until a couple days before the announcement. And the fact they got blueballed again was hilarious.
and those bastards still won the big ten title last year. they would have been insane this year. I am just glad we got them this year. even though it might help keep Woj around
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I think maybe you and I simply define "red flag" differently. I define "red flag" as a signal of danger, a truly ominous sign. And no, I don't think Wojo going 13-19 his first year was a "red flag." Does anybody need to list the very good to great coaches who had bad records their first year at their first big coaching job? The list would be so darn long your eyes would cross leading it.
As I said in my (perhaps too sarcastic) response, would you say the team's solid 2016-17 season, Wojo's third at MU, was a "green flag"? Him losing his first NCAA tournament game to end that season was not a "red flag." Again, the list of coaches who had that same result would include numerous Hall of Famers. The program was progressing. We made the tourney, and we had two freshmen who looked like they could be stars. IMHO it wasn't a "red flag" of anything that they lost that tourney game to a home team that went on to reach the Final Four.
If we're looking for a "red flag" to agree on, it was Hausershima. It concerned me greatly at the time but I thought that its biggest impact would be on recruiting. When Wojo went out and landed Garcia, Lewis, Oso and DJ despite Hausershima, I probably dismissed the negatives too quickly. But yes, it was a major "red flag."
By the time we got to last year's collapse, it wasn't really a red flag in my eyes because a majority of Scoopers already were convinced he wasn't good enough. The doom already had been expected. And this season's losing record? Heck, just about all of us are convinced he's the wrong guy for the job.
Just my take. Others are allowed to disagree.
Good points. Hausergate was at the time, and even more so now, a red flag. It signaled a tremendous breakdown within the program, regardless of who was at fault, and revealed that the leadership and direction was in question.
Personally, and I believe the original response was to mine, I view multiple red flags of the Wojo-era in retrospect.
His first year, to me, should now be considered 100% a red flag with a 13-19 record, a 4-14 conference record and losing seven of the last nine games. Firstly, our narrative was that Wojo was walking into nothing because Buzz took everything and the kitchen sink. Well, Wojo had not one but two future NBA players on his first roster (more than most of the Big East at that time). One left due to transfer (Burton). In addition, the team benefited from a high-ceiling collection of young talent in Wilson and Johnson, and had a complimentary and productive grad transfer in Carlino. Should it have been a tournament team? Probably not. But there was no reason for the team or program to nearly lose 20 games. This was a future sign of Wojo teams falling apart near the end of the season, as well as an inability to get players to play together to their strengths. It also showed that Wojo might not have been ready to be a head coach at this time. Couple these observations with Virginia Tech at present (where Buzz also left, took all of the recruits and had a majority of returning minutes leave), where their head coach still finished .500 in year one, and is a tournament team in year two (VT is not a basketball-first program, nor does it have the same resources as an MU). Many sustainable winning programs and coaches do not need to rebuild over 4-5 years; they reload and do it in 1-2 seasons.
As previously mentioned, the continued examples of Wojo-led teams falling apart at the end of seasons is, to me, a red flag. Lost 7 of final 9 in 14-15, losing 6 of final 10 games in 15-16, losing 7 of final 12 games in 16-17, losing 6 of final 7 games in 18-19 and losing 6 of final 7 games in 19-20 is a glaring and noticeable concern. Wojo's teams, for whatever reason, fall apart and break down as the seasons near conclusion. Successful teams and programs get better as the season advances (we have not).
As to "green-lights" for Wojo making the tournament twice in the first five seasons, these are the standards and expectations of MU Basketball: making the tournament. Our fans, alumni, students and school should not be celebrating simply meeting expectations because that lowers the bar and diminishes the past accomplishments and successes of players and coaches before us. In the only two NCAA appearances, MU Basketball, under Wojo, has lost by a combined 39 points. Again, MUBB in both NCAAT appearances under Wojo has lost by a combined 39 points. "Green-lights" would be akin to when Buzz took a 15-loss team to the Sweet 16, or BET Championship appearance, or a deep tournament run. Wojo has made two appearances in the top-25 with a program that is top-15 annually in basketball expenditures; this is a red flag, to me.
The final red flag, again to me, is the (now) strong possibility of two losing seasons in his tenure, when it was over 25 years since that happened before. Under Crean and Buzz, the program was efficient, competitive and sustained success. Players came and go - but the winning continued. Under Wojo, we remain inconsistent. After this year, we will have four losing seasons in the Big East play, one .500 season and just two winning seasons. No sustainable competitive program can be as up and down as we have been and we continue to be. Losing to DePaul as much as we have under Wojo is part of this red flag. Winning programs don't consistently lose to the bottom, and Wojo has lost more to the bottom (DePaul) in seven years than both of his predecessors combined (nearly fifteen years).
Again, these are just my opinions - and it is semantics in regards to what is considered a red flag. With where we are at today, I think many past instances were actually examples of the long-term concerns of where our program is at present. We have been building towards this, and it was several seasons in the making. The examples were there to be seen. Time will tell if the school recognizes it as well.
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Preseason in Year 1 KenPom projected Marquette as the 87th best team in the country (before Burton and Dawson transferred). They finished 93rd (despite Burton and Dawson transferring). Year 1 was not a red flag. Year 2 was much closer to a red flag than year 1 was.
The collapsing at the end of the season mantra has been a problem the last two seasons. They didn't collapse in year 1, they were always bad. They didn't collapse in year 2, they won 4 of their last 7 (after winning 4 of their first 11 BE games) and all 3 losses were to top 40 teams. They didn't collapse in year 3, they won 4 of their last 5 to go from the wrong side of the bubble to the right side of it. They didn't collapse in year 4, they won 5 of their last 7 (after winning 4 of their first 11). Years 5 and 6 were absolute collapses.
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Preseason in Year 1 KenPom projected Marquette as the 87th best team in the country (before Burton and Dawson transferred). They finished 93rd (despite Burton and Dawson transferring). Year 1 was not a red flag. Year 2 was much closer to a red flag than year 1 was.
The collapsing at the end of the season mantra has been a problem the last two seasons. They didn't collapse in year 1, they were always bad. They didn't collapse in year 2, they won 4 of their last 7 (after winning 4 of their first 11 BE games) and all 3 losses were to top 40 teams. They didn't collapse in year 3, they won 4 of their last 5 to go from the wrong side of the bubble to the right side of it. They didn't collapse in year 4, they won 5 of their last 7 (after winning 4 of their first 11). Years 5 and 6 were absolute collapses.
Yeah but in yea 4 one of those 2 they lost was likely what knocked them out of the tournament. Gotta look at who the losses were to.
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Yeah but in yea 4 one of those 2 they lost was likely what knocked them out of the tournament. Gotta look at who the losses were to.
I don't think a bad loss and collapse are the same thing.
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Preseason in Year 1 KenPom projected Marquette as the 87th best team in the country (before Burton and Dawson transferred). They finished 93rd (despite Burton and Dawson transferring). Year 1 was not a red flag. Year 2 was much closer to a red flag than year 1 was.
The collapsing at the end of the season mantra has been a problem the last two seasons. They didn't collapse in year 1, they were always bad. They didn't collapse in year 2, they won 4 of their last 7 (after winning 4 of their first 11 BE games) and all 3 losses were to top 40 teams. They didn't collapse in year 3, they won 4 of their last 5 to go from the wrong side of the bubble to the right side of it. They didn't collapse in year 4, they won 5 of their last 7 (after winning 4 of their first 11). Years 5 and 6 were absolute collapses.
In year 3, three of those four wins were against an Xavier team without Edmund Sumner (and maybe even the second one without Trevon Blueitt) and a Creighton team without Mo Watson. Those were two of the best players in the conference, and had they stayed healthy Marquette may well have lost all three of those games and stayed on the wrong side of the bubble.
I realize that was out of Wojo’s control, but we got lucky.
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Yep. Hundreds of football players do this every season. Basketball players can't ... unless they are injured.
The fact he was injured and unable to play would have resulted in him getting that year back if he wanted it.
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In year 3, three of those four wins were against an Xavier team without Edmund Sumner (and maybe even the second one without Trevon Blueitt) and a Creighton team without Mo Watson. Those were two of the best players in the conference, and had they stayed healthy Marquette may well have lost all three of those games and stayed on the wrong side of the bubble.
I realize that was out of Wojo’s control, but we got lucky.
I'm sure all the teams Xavier beat on their way to the Elite 8 that year are sitting there saying "lucky we played them without Edmond Sumner"
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GW11:
Buzz went 11-22 in his first year at Virginia Tech. Was that some kind of "red flag"? Or was it simply the kind of thing that usually happens when a coach takes over a program?
With Wojo, I don't think a first-time head coach having a losing record after taking over a talent-shy program that had missed the postseason the year before is a "red flag" of anything. I mean, the following year he won 20 games and the year after that he put together a fun, NCAA-tourney team with two future stars and lots of good role players.
I also disagree that anything that happened in seasons 2, 3, 4 and most of 5 - up until 2/26/19 -
constituted anything close to a "red flag." The program clearly was in an upward trend during most of that time.
And to me, calling anything that happened since Hausershima a "red flag" is unnecessary. Hausershima -- with its mutiny and the letter and the collapse and the transfers and the embarrassment -- was THE red flag of Wojo's coaching tenure. Stuff that happened since then merely proved that Hausershima was a red flag. At least that's how I look at it.
Agree that it's not worth going on any further about this. I think we both agree that Wojo's gotta go.
And if you and I say so, it must be true!
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Is it weird I think his first year was his best coaching job? Maybe just because it was in the honeymoon phase. But he showed some creativeness with the zone defenses and maneuvering all the changes in personnel. It seemed like when he had nothing to lose, he let himself be more creative and had some (albeit limited) success.
He’s like a pitcher with a good fastball and mediocre change up (Fluffy might have used a similar analogy). Even if guys start teeing off on the fastball, he keeps throwing it. He’d rather go down with his best stuff rather than risk going to the change up and second guessing.
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In year 3, three of those four wins were against an Xavier team without Edmund Sumner (and maybe even the second one without Trevon Blueitt) and a Creighton team without Mo Watson. Those were two of the best players in the conference, and had they stayed healthy Marquette may well have lost all three of those games and stayed on the wrong side of the bubble.
I realize that was out of Wojo’s control, but we got lucky.
And if we had lost to those teams, that would be great evidence for the "Wojo has always collapsed down the stretch" narrative. If you read what I wrote, I wasn't saying that those were quality wins or Wojo deserves praise, I was pointing out that the team didn't collapse in years 1-4.
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GW11:
Buzz went 11-22 in his first year at Virginia Tech. Was that some kind of "red flag"? Or was it simply the kind of thing that usually happens when a coach takes over a program?
With Wojo, I don't think a first-time head coach having a losing record after taking over a talent-shy program that had missed the postseason the year before is a "red flag" of anything. I mean, the following year he won 20 games and the year after that he put together a fun, NCAA-tourney team with two future stars and lots of good role players.
I also disagree that anything that happened in seasons 2, 3, 4 and most of 5 - up until 2/26/19 -
constituted anything close to a "red flag." The program clearly was in an upward trend during most of that time.
And to me, calling anything that happened since Hausershima a "red flag" is unnecessary. Hausershima -- with its mutiny and the letter and the collapse and the transfers and the embarrassment -- was THE red flag of Wojo's coaching tenure. Stuff that happened since then merely proved that Hausershima was a red flag. At least that's how I look at it.
Agree that it's not worth going on any further about this. I think we both agree that Wojo's gotta go.
And if you and I say so, it must be true!
Fair points. Thanks for responding.
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I think maybe you and I simply define "red flag" differently. I define "red flag" as a signal of danger, a truly ominous sign. And no, I don't think Wojo going 13-19 his first year was a "red flag." Does anybody need to list the very good to great coaches who had bad records their first year at their first big coaching job? The list would be so darn long your eyes would cross leading it.
As I said in my (perhaps too sarcastic) response, would you say the team's solid 2016-17 season, Wojo's third at MU, was a "green flag"? Him losing his first NCAA tournament game to end that season was not a "red flag." Again, the list of coaches who had that same result would include numerous Hall of Famers. The program was progressing. We made the tourney, and we had two freshmen who looked like they could be stars. IMHO it wasn't a "red flag" of anything that they lost that tourney game to a home team that went on to reach the Final Four.
If we're looking for a "red flag" to agree on, it was Hausershima. It concerned me greatly at the time but I thought that its biggest impact would be on recruiting. When Wojo went out and landed Garcia, Lewis, Oso and DJ despite Hausershima, I probably dismissed the negatives too quickly. But yes, it was a major "red flag."
By the time we got to last year's collapse, it wasn't really a red flag in my eyes because a majority of Scoopers already were convinced he wasn't good enough. The doom already had been expected. And this season's losing record? Heck, just about all of us are convinced he's the wrong guy for the job.
Just my take. Others are allowed to disagree.
I hear you.
I consider the number of blowout loses we've had over the last few years a red flag. As I consider the late season collapses.
Throw in a complete lack of success in MM and the same problems appearing year after year (turnovers, lack of offensive continuity, etc...), and you have a good list of red flags, imo.
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GW11:
Buzz went 11-22 in his first year at Virginia Tech. Was that some kind of "red flag"? Or was it simply the kind of thing that usually happens when a coach takes over a program?
With Wojo, I don't think a first-time head coach having a losing record after taking over a talent-shy program that had missed the postseason the year before is a "red flag" of anything. I mean, the following year he won 20 games and the year after that he put together a fun, NCAA-tourney team with two future stars and lots of good role players.
I also disagree that anything that happened in seasons 2, 3, 4 and most of 5 - up until 2/26/19 -
constituted anything close to a "red flag." The program clearly was in an upward trend during most of that time.
And to me, calling anything that happened since Hausershima a "red flag" is unnecessary. Hausershima -- with its mutiny and the letter and the collapse and the transfers and the embarrassment -- was THE red flag of Wojo's coaching tenure. Stuff that happened since then merely proved that Hausershima was a red flag. At least that's how I look at it.
Agree that it's not worth going on any further about this. I think we both agree that Wojo's gotta go.
And if you and I say so, it must be true!
Losing to Omaha in 2014 and then Belmont in 2015 were the only flags I ever needed to see.
Edit: I'll add the win against iupui in overtime. That was another awful game.
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Will he or should he
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I hear you.
I consider the number of blowout loses we've had over the last few years a red flag. As I consider the late season collapses.
Throw in a complete lack of success in MM and the same problems appearing year after year (turnovers, lack of offensive continuity, etc...), and you have a good list of red flags, imo.
Oddly there have been few blowout losses this year despite a worse overall team. Unfortunately, the team has largely not been able to close out games or complete comebacks.
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Oddly there have been few blowout losses this year despite a worse overall team. Unfortunately, the team has largely not been able to close out games or complete comebacks.
This is the truth. Vlose games. Poor finishes.
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Oddly there have been few blowout losses this year despite a worse overall team. Unfortunately, the team has largely not been able to close out games or complete comebacks.
This game isn't trending well...
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He's not giving the administration a choice at this point.....
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They shouldn't let him on the plane. Someone in the athletic department should be boxing up his stuff in his office and they should leave it on his front lawn tonight
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For the record, I did vote yes. Wonder how many will want to change their votes.
Wojo won't be our coach next season.
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I wash my hands of this as I wanted to take ESPN’s crappy deal 8 to 10 Years ago and remain in control of the conference. That said is Nate Oates of Alabama from Watertown, WI available or the Catholic John Beilein. Am for MU winning.
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Oddly there have been few blowout losses this year despite a worse overall team. Unfortunately, the team has largely not been able to close out games or complete comebacks.
Season ain’t over yet :/, trying to be positive, this team is snake bit, we may get 2 more wins to give us “hope” for next year, this has been a very disappointing season with all the tired legs and rust, it’s hard to keep up, what was tonight, blown tire?
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They shouldn't let him on the plane. Someone in the athletic department should be boxing up his stuff in his office and they should leave it on his front lawn tonight
I was laughing as I read this and tried to imagine Wojo not being allowed on the plane. Great stuff.
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That said is Nate Oates of Alabama from Watertown, WI available
Nate Oates just dying to leave his star studded roster & 5 star incoming freshman in SEC to take over this dumpster fire and compete against DePaul for last place
Wardle come on down
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Forget the new ongoing $115 million basketball facility upgrades at Coleman Coliseum. Forget the Power 5 Conference. Forget the $2.5 Million a year contract. Forget all of the other positives and perks .....Nate Oates lived in Wisconsin twenty years ago.
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I was laughing as I read this and tried to imagine Wojo not being allowed on the plane. Great stuff.
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Can you add another Poll Option....C) I wish
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As recently as two months ago, there were posters on here smugly stating that Wojo's seat is ice cold. If he's retained next year, he'll be on every "hot seat" list in the country.
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Nate Oates just dying to leave his star studded roster & 5 star incoming freshman in SEC to take over this dumpster fire and compete against DePaul for last place
Wardle come on down
Agree it will probably be Wardle. Brian was always nice and would say hi to our Family as a player. Brian is an awesome choice but just think maybe we can do better. Maybe Catholic Beilein. Either way We Are Marquette Go Marquette Win!
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They shouldn't let him on the plane. Someone in the athletic department should be boxing up his stuff in his office and they should leave it on his front lawn tonight
Nah. Won't happen. Too broke to have it delivered to his lawn
Ask any of the Wojo worshippers and they will chime in that MU does not have the shekels to let Wojo walk.
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Woj has turned this program into a joke, a clusterfook, and a fookin' dumpster fire, aina?