https://www.bigeast.com/news/2021/2/1/mens-basketball-big-east-announces-mbb-schedule-changes.aspx
February 10th, 9pm Eastern. Prepare for pain
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 01, 2021, 06:51:33 PM
https://www.bigeast.com/news/2021/2/1/mens-basketball-big-east-announces-mbb-schedule-changes.aspx
February 10th, 9pm Eastern. Prepare for pain
Look at it as an opportunity to get another quality win. (I can dream cant I)
Nm
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 01, 2021, 06:51:33 PM
Prepare for pain
C'mon TAMU ... I don't think we'll beat 'em that badly.
The amusing part is it looks like the BE decided it preferred we play Villanova rather than DePaul play Villanova.
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on February 01, 2021, 08:25:31 PM
The amusing part is it looks like the BE decided it preferred we play Villanova rather than DePaul play Villanova.
Well the Big East doesn't want to jeopardize Villanova getting a 1 seed. DePaul is more frisky than us at this point.
I'm still clinging to tourney hopes and glad this game is being played if we lose his really no harm done in the unlikely situation when we win could be a huge resume builder so im cool that
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 01, 2021, 06:51:33 PM
https://www.bigeast.com/news/2021/2/1/mens-basketball-big-east-announces-mbb-schedule-changes.aspx
February 10th, 9pm Eastern. Prepare for pain
Pain is losing at home to DePaul or St John's. Villanova is a no lose situation. If we get rolled it's what we expected. Give 'em a game and it's a moral victory. Pull an upset and you'll have Scoopers discussing how many millions we have to make the buyout in Wojo's next extension just to keep Duke from poaching him.
We got this!
Quote from: Johnny B on February 01, 2021, 10:14:15 PM
I'm still clinging to tourney hopes and glad this game is being played if we lose his really no harm done in the unlikely situation when we win could be a huge resume builder so im cool that
Cant help but just laugh if we win. We'd have by far the best wins of any bubble team and would not deserve a tournament spot.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 02, 2021, 08:29:21 AM
Cant help but just laugh if we win. We'd have by far the best wins of any bubble team and would not deserve a tournament spot.
If we go 5-3 (with the added game) we probably get in because no bubble team could match our top-of-the-resume quality. If we go 6-2, we would get in.
Conversely, if DePaul goes 7-0, I still don't think they get in. The Big East is just betting on our narrow hopes over their nonexistent ones.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 02, 2021, 08:33:10 AM
If we go 5-3 (with the added game) we probably get in because no bubble team could match our top-of-the-resume quality. If we go 6-2, we would get in.
Conversely, if DePaul goes 7-0, I still don't think they get in. The Big East is just betting on our narrow hopes over their nonexistent ones.
Let's say for $hits & giggles that we sweep Butler (hah) and beat Depaul (big if now) thats 3 so we need two of Nova, UConn, Xavier, Hall, Creighton. December Marquette that played UConn great for 30 of 40 min or lost at the buzzer to X could do it. I don't see it happening now. I don't see it Brew not the way we are currently playing with a defeated coach and 5-7min of good basketball in our blood.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 02, 2021, 08:36:46 AM
Let's say for $hits & giggles that we sweep Butler (hah) and beat Depaul (big if now) thats 3 so we need two of Nova, UConn, Xavier, Hall, Creighton. December Marquette that played UConn great for 30 of 40 min or lost at the buzzer to X could do it. I don't see it happening now. I don't see it Brew not the way we are currently playing with a defeated coach and 5-7min of good basketball in our blood.
Yes. The chances are not good ( about.02 %) but NOTHING IS OFFICIALLY OVER. I bumped our chances from 0.0 to .02 after seeing this news.
Looks like for todays game should use a long bench as tomorrow we are playing Villanova.
Two straight days of MU BB! Can it be too much for some of us?
Quote from: NCMUFan on February 02, 2021, 09:05:38 AM
Looks like for todays game should use a long bench as tomorrow we are playing Villanova.
Two straight days of MU BB! Can it be too much for some of us?
I believe the Nova game is set for February 10, not tomorrow. Gives your heart an opportunity to rest, hey?
Yes, TY. I was ahead of myself.
Quote from: NCMUFan on February 02, 2021, 09:12:18 AM
Yes, TY. I was ahead of myself.
Thx for frightening me.
:(
At this point, I'm expecting either 3-5 or 4-4 to finish the season. That being said, I wouldn't be shocked to see 6-2 or 5-3 either. We've been on the wrong end of some really bad luck all season (292nd in luck per KenPom), ridiculous shooting performances (opponent's ppp on both guarded and unguarded threes is way higher than the D1 or Big East average), and other than the Nova blowout, we've been within a single possession in the last few minutes of every loss.
But, close only matters in horseshoes and hand grenades and good teams don't put themselves in positions were bad luck determines the outcome. It's been a rough year.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 02, 2021, 08:36:46 AM
Let's say for $hits & giggles that we sweep Butler (hah) and beat Depaul (big if now) thats 3 so we need two of Nova, UConn, Xavier, Hall, Creighton. December Marquette that played UConn great for 30 of 40 min or lost at the buzzer to X could do it. I don't see it happening now. I don't see it Brew not the way we are currently playing with a defeated coach and 5-7min of good basketball in our blood.
Why is Wojo "defeated"?
It's a serious question. What makes you think he has given up or accepted defeat as inevitable?
I'm no longer a ProJo. I have said multiple times that I'd fire him right now, in the season. Having said that, I must have missed the signs that he is "defeated."
Quote from: MU82 on February 02, 2021, 10:33:30 AM
Why is Wojo "defeated"?
It's a serious question. What makes you think he has given up or accepted defeat as inevitable?
I'm no longer a ProJo. I have said multiple times that I'd fire him right now, in the season. Having said that, I must have missed the signs that he is "defeated."
Admittedly I was basing that off the people who were talking about his post game pressers which I've stopped watching. He may not be.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 02, 2021, 09:29:46 AM
At this point, I'm expecting either 3-5 or 4-4 to finish the season. That being said, I wouldn't be shocked to see 6-2 or 5-3 either. We've been on the wrong end of some really bad luck all season (292nd in luck per KenPom), ridiculous shooting performances (opponent's ppp on both guarded and unguarded threes is way higher than the D1 or Big East average), and other than the Nova blowout, we've been within a single possession in the last few minutes of every loss.
But, close only matters in horseshoes and hand grenades and good teams don't put themselves in positions were bad luck determines the outcome. It's been a rough year.
MU's chance of sweeping the three most favorable games, Butler (twice) and DePaul (once), is 19%. MU needs a lot of luck just on that.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 02, 2021, 08:33:10 AM
If we go 5-3 (with the added game) we probably get in because no bubble team could match our top-of-the-resume quality. If we go 6-2, we would get in.
Conversely, if DePaul goes 7-0, I still don't think they get in. The Big East is just betting on our narrow hopes over their nonexistent ones.
I very much doubt that Marquette would get in the tournament at 13-12 (9-10), which is what 5-3 would leave us at. I don't think it would even be particularly close.
14-11 (10-9) I think would be enough.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 02, 2021, 10:51:28 AM
MU's chance of sweeping the three most favorable games, Butler (twice) and DePaul (once), is 19%. MU needs a lot of luck just on that.
If you zoom in on any three game stretch for almost any team the odds are always long that they will sweep all three games. But if you take a step back and look at the entire picture the odds look better. So yes, 19% chance that Marquette wins all 3 of those three games. But the most likely projected record per KenPom is 4-4 (though they still have a home game vs. St. John's scheduled and don't have the @Nova so I assume that will change to 3-5).
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 02, 2021, 11:27:00 AM
If you zoom in on any three game stretch for almost any team the odds are always long that they will sweep all three games. But if you take a step back and look at the entire picture the odds look better. So yes, 19% chance that Marquette wins all 3 of those three games. But the most likely projected record per KenPom is 4-4 (though they still have a home game vs. St. John's scheduled and don't have the @Nova so I assume that will change to 3-5).
Luck in KPom (rank 292) or momentum in Haslam (314) isn't random like a con flip where we are just unlucky and are due. As you know, it is a statistical metric based on predicted vs actual. In other words, it's a reflection if a team under or over performs. Could MU go on a little run and reverse their luck, sure.
But, you need a few calls to go your way, a coach to mix up the adjustments, a deep bench to step up, a starter to get a hot hand, an improvement on the 1-5 BE record at home. Considering MU's trend, that is a tough bet for me.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 02, 2021, 08:36:46 AM
Let's say for $hits & giggles that we sweep Butler (hah) and beat Depaul (big if now) thats 3 so we need two of Nova, UConn, Xavier, Hall, Creighton. December Marquette that played UConn great for 30 of 40 min or lost at the buzzer to X could do it. I don't see it happening now. I don't see it Brew not the way we are currently playing with a defeated coach and 5-7min of good basketball in our blood.
I don't see it either. I expect today to the middle of a 7-game losing skid. I think we're done and the only question is if Wojo leaves this season or Marquette renegotiates to lower his buyout and he goes after next year.
But there's a mathematical chance we make the tourney and earn a NCAA credit or two for the league. There's no real chance of DePaul doing the same.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 02, 2021, 12:00:35 PM
I expect today to the middle of a 7-game losing skid. I think we're done and the only question is if Wojo leaves this season or Marquette renegotiates to lower his buyout and he goes after next year.
In the lower-buyout realm, are you thinking that it would be part of a short (1 or 2 year) contract extension deal?
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 02, 2021, 10:36:57 AM
Admittedly I was basing that off the people who were talking about his post game pressers which I've stopped watching. He may not be.
Thanks. Appreciate your honesty.
I don't know that he
isn't "defeated." I just haven't seen the signs, and was looking for a little evidence with what's a pretty loaded word.
Quote from: MU82 on February 02, 2021, 12:05:59 PM
In the lower-buyout realm, are you thinking that it would be part of a short (1 or 2 year) contract extension deal?
1-2 year extension with a total of 5 years on the deal so he can promise incoming freshmen he will be there their entire careers, similar to the one they renegotiated after 2019.
Honestly, I think it should have a buyout that escalates the longer he stays. For instance...
- Fired after Year One: $100,000/year With one year gone on the deal, Wojo would pocket $400,000 for the remaining 4 years.
- Fired after Year Two: $250,000/year With two years gone on the deal, Wojo would pocket $750,000 for the remaining 3 years.
- Fired after Year Three: $500,000/year With three years gone on the deal, Wojo would pocket $1,000,000 for the remaining 2 years.
- Fired after Year Four: $1,500,000/year With four years gone on the deal, Wojo would pocket $1,500,000 for the final year.
This would be a motivator because the longer he can stay, the more he is guaranteed if it goes south. And if the results keep getting better, it would encourage Marquette to keep him, but would allow them to really put the pressure on early, especially in the first couple years. Maybe the figures would have to be different or bigger, but I think something with that structure would be smart.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 02, 2021, 01:05:05 PM
1-2 year extension with a total of 5 years on the deal so he can promise incoming freshmen he will be there their entire careers, similar to the one they renegotiated after 2019.
Honestly, I think it should have a buyout that escalates the longer he stays. For instance...
- Fired after Year One: $100,000/year With one year gone on the deal, Wojo would pocket $400,000 for the remaining 4 years.
- Fired after Year Two: $250,000/year With two years gone on the deal, Wojo would pocket $750,000 for the remaining 3 years.
- Fired after Year Three: $500,000/year With three years gone on the deal, Wojo would pocket $1,000,000 for the remaining 2 years.
- Fired after Year Four: $1,500,000/year With four years gone on the deal, Wojo would pocket $1,500,000 for the final year.
This would be a motivator because the longer he can stay, the more he is guaranteed if it goes south. And if the results keep getting better, it would encourage Marquette to keep him, but would allow them to really put the pressure on early, especially in the first couple years. Maybe the figures would have to be different or bigger, but I think something with that structure would be smart.
Interesting. It that a fairly common kind of buyout?
I mean, nobody seems to have even the faintest idea of what his current buyout is.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 01, 2021, 06:51:33 PM
https://www.bigeast.com/news/2021/2/1/mens-basketball-big-east-announces-mbb-schedule-changes.aspx
February 10th, 9pm Eastern. Prepare for pain
Thank You any word on the Georgetown rescheduled game yet
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on February 02, 2021, 04:26:40 PM
Thank You any word on the Georgetown rescheduled game yet
Not yet
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 02, 2021, 08:36:46 AM
Let's say for $hits & giggles that we sweep Butler (hah) and beat Depaul (big if now) thats 3 so we need two of Nova, UConn, Xavier, Hall, Creighton. December Marquette that played UConn great for 30 of 40 min or lost at the buzzer to X could do it. I don't see it happening now. I don't see it Brew not the way we are currently playing with a defeated coach and 5-7min of good basketball in our blood.
The closer we get to March, the crappier we play. Did you take that into account, as well?