Talked to somebody who knows a little about MU players, stated Perez is slow and out of shape, but the one point he made about Perez was it was
a package deal with another player. Obviously, he did not come. Does anybody have an idea who that kid was?
Quote from: BCHoopster on February 01, 2021, 04:23:35 PM
Talked to somebody who knows a little about MU players, stated Perez is slow and out of shape, but the one point he made about Perez was it was
a package deal with another player. Obviously, he did not come. Does anybody have an idea who that kid was?
Mac Ettiene. They played for the same aau program. He's at UCLA now.
Quote from: panda on February 01, 2021, 04:29:38 PM
Mac Ettiene. They played for the same aau program. He's at UCLA now.
Not sure about that as it sounded like 2 kids this year, not next.
Quote from: BCHoopster on February 01, 2021, 04:30:39 PM
Not sure about that as it sounded like 2 kids this year, not next.
Nate Johnson, Xavier
Quote from: BCHoopster on February 01, 2021, 04:23:35 PM
Talked to somebody who knows a little about MU players, stated Perez is slow and out of shape, but the one point he made about Perez was it was
a package deal with another player. Obviously, he did not come. Does anybody have an idea who that kid was?
To be fair, he had Covid. Just so it doesn't come off as lazy for him being out of shape.
Quote from: cheebs09 on February 01, 2021, 04:52:25 PM
To be fair, he had Covid. Just so it doesn't come off as lazy for him being out of shape.
When? i know dex seemed to have had a rough time with it but did jose as well.
Quote from: Johnny B on February 01, 2021, 04:56:06 PM
When? i know dex seemed to have had a rough time with it but did jose as well.
You're right. For some reason, I thought he did as well, but it was only Dexter. I haven't been able to find an article saying Perez did.
Quote from: BCHoopster on February 01, 2021, 04:23:35 PM
Talked to somebody who knows a little about MU players, stated Perez is slow and out of shape, but the one point he made about Perez was it was
a package deal with another player. Obviously, he did not come. Does anybody have an idea who that kid was?
So it was another Wally Ellenson to bring in Henry kind of deal. That's the best Perez theory I've heard so far.
We got screwed in that deal
Sounds like another successful Wojo package deal
(https://i.imgur.com/x8zQQ1u.gif)
None of this is probably true but I agree it's the best explanation I've heard for Jose sitting in the second row of the Forum.
Quote from: franklinjerry on February 01, 2021, 07:25:59 PM
None of this is probably true but I agree it's the best explanation I've heard for Jose sitting in the second row of the Forum.
MU's interest was talked about last March
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.anonymouseagle.com/platform/amp/2020/3/25/21191027/marquette-golden-eagles-basketball-recruiting-transfer-dj-carton-justin-turner-nate-johnson
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 01, 2021, 04:34:50 PM
Nate Johnson, Xavier
Seems highly unlikely. Johnson committed early, on March 28, while Perez didn't commit until May 7. If they took a kid as a package deal 6 weeks after the first kid committed, that would be a pretty egregious oversight.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 01, 2021, 07:51:36 PM
Seems highly unlikely. Johnson committed early, on March 28, while Perez didn't commit until May 7. If they took a kid as a package deal 6 weeks after the first kid committed, that would be a pretty egregious oversight.
I don't know what's egregious about talking about it in March and still deciding to go with Perez with a year to sit. You can argue Perez only I guess.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 01, 2021, 08:01:19 PM
I don't know what's egregious about talking about it in March and still deciding to go with Perez with a year to sit. You can argue Perez only I guess.
If so, Marquette had to be tampering. Perez didn't even enter the transfer portal until April 18, 3 weeks after Johnson made his decision.
Jose's punishment for not landing Johnson is being forced to sit and watch these games in person?
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 01, 2021, 08:09:07 PM
If so, Marquette had to be tampering. Perez didn't even enter the transfer portal until April 18, 3 weeks after Johnson made his decision.
Grounds for termination? Kevin Ollie style?!
Quote from: BCHoopster on February 01, 2021, 04:23:35 PM
Talked to somebody who knows a little about MU players, stated Perez is slow and out of shape, but the one point he made about Perez was it was
a package deal with another player. Obviously, he did not come. Does anybody have an idea who that kid was?
He looked fat to me when I first saw him play and I said as much. Got grief from some Scoopers at the time. Evidently he's now persona non grata with even the projos.
As Brew pointed out, the timeline doesn't remotely make sense for Nate Johnson.
I've never actually heard that Jose was a package deal with someone else. I have heard people speculate that Jose was recruited to help land Etienne. But the thought process I've heard from those people has been "Jose isn't playing, he must suck, why did we recruit him?, maybe it was to help land Etienne?" I think that may have gone around the rumor mill enough times for people to start presenting it as a fact or maybe there's truth to it. I'm sure the coaching staff was aware of the connection to Etienne when they were recruiting him.
Quote from: cheebs09 on February 01, 2021, 05:05:53 PM
You're right. For some reason, I thought he did as well, but it was only Dexter. I haven't been able to find an article saying Perez did.
You may have been thinking of Dex, but that doesn't necessarily mean that you were wrong about Jose. We know about Dex because his bout with COVID happened during practice time leading to a very public COVID break, combined with videos of everyone but Dexter practicing. It would not be surprising to learn that one or more of our players had COVID over the summer before practice and if that did happen, it likely wouldn't be publicly announced. If Jose had COVID and then decided after the APB game that he wasn't comfortable playing this season due to COVID, it would probably look like what we are seeing now. Jose not dressing but still a very involved active presence on the bench.
The way I see it, Jose not playing isn't a "he sucks" thing because even the walk ons dress. He's either injured, in the doghouse, or has decided to opt out due to COVID or another personal reason. If he was injured, we would have heard about it. It's possible he's in the doghouse, but he certainly isn't acting like a guy in the doghouse. I think option 3 is most likely.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 01, 2021, 09:55:07 PM
He looked fat to me when I first saw him play and I said as much. Got grief from some Scoopers at the time. Evidently he's now persona non grata with even the projos.
He's a 6'5", 210 lb. D1 athlete. I'm not sure how that's fat.
Quote from: WithoutBias on February 01, 2021, 10:08:01 PM
He's a 6'5", 210 lb. D1 athlete. I'm not sure how that's fat.
I don't normally go with the eye test over "stats" but those numbers (as they often are in the program) are fake news. If you ever saw him play or just sit in his uniform) you'd say the same.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 01, 2021, 10:15:05 PM
I don't normally go with the eye test over "stats" but those numbers (as they often are in the program) are fake news. If you ever saw him play or just sit in his uniform) you'd say the same.
And if you ever saw him without his jersey on you'd realize he wears padding over every part of his body basically. If he's fat then about 90% of the population in America is fat. While America has an obesity issue, it's nowhere close to that.
Quote from: WithoutBias on February 01, 2021, 10:21:11 PM
And if you ever saw him without his jersey on you'd realize he wears padding over every part of his body basically. If he's fat then about 90% of the population in America is fat. While America has an obesity issue, it's nowhere close to that.
I confess I've only seen him in a jersey and short pants. Since you've seen him naked I guess I'll have to take your word.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 01, 2021, 10:25:51 PM
I confess I've only seen him in a jersey and short pants. Since you've seen him naked I guess I'll have to take your word.
Naked? Can you read? Jose is either in his jersey or nude? Like I said, he has a ton of padding on. Watch some of the practice video from early in the season and you'll see it.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CD7969_B2Dc/?igshid=1gepkanvo5azx
What a fatass.
Quote from: WithoutBias on February 01, 2021, 10:29:28 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CD7969_B2Dc/?igshid=1gepkanvo5azx
What a fatass.
Yeah, he definitely needs to buy my exercise video and follow my grueling beer-and-pizza regime.
Doesnt appear to be overweight.Must just not be good enough. Still odd when we have six legit BE players last game, in which were struggling, and he doesnt even get a look. idk guess a total flop to recruit him
Quote from: Johnny B on February 01, 2021, 10:43:52 PM
Doesnt appear to be overweight.Must just not be good enough. Still odd when we have six legit BE players last game, in which were struggling, and he doesnt even get a look. idk guess a total flop to recruit him
It's not a "not good enough" issue. If it was, he would be in uniform like Oso and the walk ons. Not dressing means something off the court is keeping him from playing. Now it theoretically could be something off the court AND he's not very good, but all we know right now is that something off the court is keeping him from dressing.
Quote from: WithoutBias on February 01, 2021, 10:27:55 PM
Naked? Can you read? Jose is either in his jersey or nude?
You wrote "If you ever saw him without his jersey on", so, OK, naked from the waist up. I've never seen him that way and I don't follow him on Instagram. Only on the basketball court, where to me (and the OP) he appears slow and out of shape.
fair enough. i did not notice he wasn't even dressing. but wth could it be
Quote from: WithoutBias on February 01, 2021, 10:29:28 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CD7969_B2Dc/?igshid=1gepkanvo5azx
What a fatass.
To be fair, that was back in Sept, which isn't totally relevant to how he may look now. But this is actually a better view
https://www.instagram.com/p/CIMdYwMh4Ka/
If you click to the second picture, he's basically wearing a QB flack jacket over his entire torso it looks like
Quote from: JWags85 on February 01, 2021, 11:28:46 PM
To be fair, that was back in Sept, which isn't totally relevant to how he may look now. But this is actually a better view
https://www.instagram.com/p/CIMdYwMh4Ka/
If you click to the second picture, he's basically wearing a QB flack jacket over his entire torso it looks like
It's like the king fu movies when the warrior starts the fight off holding their own but losing... and then they reveal they've been fighting while wearing weighed belts.
I have to admit that I completely forgot this guy was on the roster and had to look up our roster to confirm who he was on the team. Checking over the roster and it is not difficult to believe how the season is turning out.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 01, 2021, 11:06:15 PM
You wrote "If you ever saw him without his jersey on", so, OK, naked from the waist up. I've never seen him that way and I don't follow him on Instagram. Only on the basketball court, where to me (and the OP) he appears slow and out of shape.
Are you like 3 years old? Unable to comprehend that these players wear something other than their uniforms occasionally? What a weird hill to die on.
What I learned on Scoop today. If a player doesn't have their uniform on, they are naked. They never wear anything except their MUBB uniform for 4 years.
It's quite a mystery.
Like TAMU says, he might not be good enough to get 10 mpg ... but it's obviously more than that or he'd be on the bench, in uniform, ready to play like other reserves and even the walk-ons are.
Quote from: JWags85 on February 01, 2021, 11:28:46 PM
To be fair, that was back in Sept, which isn't totally relevant to how he may look now. But this is actually a better view
https://www.instagram.com/p/CIMdYwMh4Ka/
If you click to the second picture, he's basically wearing a QB flack jacket over his entire torso it looks like
His backside doesn't look nearly as big if you see him without his basketball shorts on.
Quote from: WithoutBias on February 01, 2021, 10:08:01 PM
He's a 6'5", 210 lb. D1 athlete. I'm not sure how that's fat.
well, look at him...he's fat.
Quote from: Marq3332 on February 02, 2021, 07:50:36 AM
well, look at him...he's fat.
Ignorance is bliss for you and Lenny. Despite showing pictures of him not in his jersey (NSFW! If a basketball player isn't in his jersey, he's nude!), and pictures showing thick padding basically all over his torso, we'll still dig our head into the sand and say he's fat.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 02, 2021, 07:45:12 AM
His backside doesn't look nearly as big if you see him without his basketball shorts on.
Somebody's never played basketball. They have the exact same padding for the tailbone and the thighs that he has on his ribs.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 01, 2021, 08:09:07 PM
If so, Marquette had to be tampering. Perez didn't even enter the transfer portal until April 18, 3 weeks after Johnson made his decision.
Interesting
Quote from: WithoutBias on February 02, 2021, 08:27:53 AM
Ignorance is bliss for you and Lenny. Despite showing pictures of him not in his jersey (NSFW! If a basketball player isn't in his jersey, he's nude!), and pictures showing thick padding basically all over his torso, we'll still dig our head into the sand and say he's fat.
Somebody's never played basketball. They have the exact same padding for the tailbone and the thighs that he has on his ribs.
Ignorance is the new scientific reasoning.
1: I'm right, you are wrong!
2: Well, I think you just need to look closer to see he's padded.
1: Nope, I can see. He's fat.
2: Here's a picture showing the torso flak jacket.
1: He's fat, I refuse to believe anything else. I've made up my mind.
This is a tremendous thread reiterating that Wojo isn't nearly the most toxic aspect of the MU program.
Quote from: WithoutBias on February 02, 2021, 08:27:53 AM
Somebody's never played basketball. They have the exact same padding for the tailbone and the thighs that he has on his ribs.
?
1.How about somebody played basketball before wearing body armor underneath one's uniform was a thing
2.You should change your user name to Without A Sense of Humor - turn a grossly inaccurate one into one that fits.
Sounds like basketball should just be played Greek Olympic style so we know exactly how fit all these young men are.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 02, 2021, 10:16:03 AM
?
1.How about somebody played basketball before wearing body armor underneath one's uniform was a thing
2.You should change your user name to Without A Sense of Humor - turn a grossly inaccurate one into one that fits.
Got it. Call somebody fat. Get proven wrong. Tell the person that proved them wrong that they were joking all along and they should get a sense of humor. Rather than admit you had it wrong and the pictures provided show he wears padding that you didn't know about, you try to make the person who points it out look bad by using your incredible sense of humor, claiming they've seen Jose naked. Good stuff. You and chicos have a lot more in common than you'd like to admit.
Also, as I've explained dozens of times on here already, the name is from the 30 for 30 on Len Bias. Everyone has biases. Including you, Mr. Funny himself. Went from, "Hey, this guy is fat. He's so fat I even pointed it out months ago." To, "Well duh, I was joking when I said he was fat, idiot." Goalposts shift quickly when you have no rebuttal, I suppose.
Quote from: WithoutBias on February 02, 2021, 10:24:14 AM
Got it. Call somebody fat. Get proven wrong. Tell the person that proved them wrong that they were joking all along and they should get a sense of humor. Rather than admit you had it wrong and the pictures provided show he wears padding that you didn't know about, you try to make the person who points it out look bad by using your incredible sense of humor, claiming they've seen Jose naked. Good stuff. You and chicos have a lot more in common than you'd like to admit.
LOL, yep.
(https://frinkiac.com/video/S13E12/ahuzfVAW6K0oJKZkyBTTUl-nEAY=.gif)
Quote from: MU82 on February 01, 2021, 10:34:23 PM
Yeah, he definitely needs to buy my exercise video and follow my grueling beer-and-pizza regime.
Discount for a fellow Scooper?
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 02, 2021, 10:22:59 AM
Sounds like basketball should just be played Greek Olympic style so we know exactly how fit all these young men are.
It is not hyperbole to say this made me LOL.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on February 02, 2021, 12:28:48 PM
Discount for a fellow Scooper?
Sure. Just provide the beer and pizza!
So...setting aside the "Is he fat or is it body armor" argument, why exactly does Jose wear all that padding? Do any other players do this?
I mean, I know what function padding is supposed to perform, but why would be need that in a BB game where speed and agility are so valuable? I mean, there aren't any 350 defensive linemen trying to drive him into the ground, unless you count Theo I suppose.
Quote from: TSmith34 on February 02, 2021, 12:57:57 PM
So...setting aside the "Is he fat or is it body armor" argument, why exactly does Jose wear all that padding? Do any other players do this?
I mean, I know what function padding is supposed to perform, but why would be need that in a BB game where speed and agility are so valuable? I mean, there aren't any 350 defensive linemen trying to drive him into the ground, unless you count Theo I suppose.
Damn snowflake generation am I right?
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 02, 2021, 01:02:04 PM
Damn snowflake generation am I right?
Fresh pic of Jose warming up before the Butler game. Post up, big fella!
(http://www.bossleisure.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/3.png)
I honestly don't think Jose is that fat (https://i.imgflip.com/4wehsd.jpg)
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on February 02, 2021, 01:21:14 PM
I honestly don't think Jose is that fat (https://i.imgflip.com/4wehsd.jpg)
Now this made me lol.
Quote from: TSmith34 on February 02, 2021, 12:57:57 PM
So...setting aside the "Is he fat or is it body armor" argument, why exactly does Jose wear all that padding? Do any other players do this?
I mean, I know what function padding is supposed to perform, but why would be need that in a BB game where speed and agility are so valuable? I mean, there aren't any 350 defensive linemen trying to drive him into the ground, unless you count Theo I suppose.
Jose's seems to be bigger than most that I've seen, but I'd be surprised if 90%+ college and professional basketball players don't wear some kind of padding on their ribs and/or thighs. It seems very common.
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on February 02, 2021, 01:21:14 PM
I honestly don't think Jose is that fat (https://i.imgflip.com/4wehsd.jpg)
Well done
Quote from: BLM on February 02, 2021, 01:23:38 PM
Now this made me lol.
Jose's seems to be bigger than most that I've seen, but I'd be surprised if 90%+ college and professional basketball players don't wear some kind of padding on their ribs and/or thighs. It seems very common.
Really? I never heard of this. I bet 90% don't wear any kind of padding.
Quote from: hairy worthen on February 02, 2021, 02:09:21 PM
Really? I never heard of this. I bet 90% don't wear any kind of padding.
Yeah - I know tons of players wear compression shirts, sleeves and tights, but I'd be surprised if many wear padding.
Quote from: hairy worthen on February 02, 2021, 02:09:21 PM
Really? I never heard of this. I bet 90% don't wear any kind of padding.
This is from TEN years ago.
https://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/03/19/march.madness.gear/index.html
Many college basketball players where compression shirts with padding built in.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 01, 2021, 10:03:54 PM
As Brew pointed out, the timeline doesn't remotely make sense for Nate Johnson.
I've never actually heard that Jose was a package deal with someone else. I have heard people speculate that Jose was recruited to help land Etienne. But the thought process I've heard from those people has been "Jose isn't playing, he must suck, why did we recruit him?, maybe it was to help land Etienne?" I think that may have gone around the rumor mill enough times for people to start presenting it as a fact or maybe there's truth to it. I'm sure the coaching staff was aware of the connection to Etienne when they were recruiting him.
You may have been thinking of Dex, but that doesn't necessarily mean that you were wrong about Jose. We know about Dex because his bout with COVID happened during practice time leading to a very public COVID break, combined with videos of everyone but Dexter practicing. It would not be surprising to learn that one or more of our players had COVID over the summer before practice and if that did happen, it likely wouldn't be publicly announced. If Jose had COVID and then decided after the APB game that he wasn't comfortable playing this season due to COVID, it would probably look like what we are seeing now. Jose not dressing but still a very involved active presence on the bench.
The way I see it, Jose not playing isn't a "he sucks" thing because even the walk ons dress. He's either injured, in the doghouse, or has decided to opt out due to COVID or another personal reason. If he was injured, we would have heard about it. It's possible he's in the doghouse, but he certainly isn't acting like a guy in the doghouse. I think option 3 is most likely.
Is he not even dressing? Seems to me he's been on the bench in warm ups.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 02, 2021, 03:28:05 PM
Is he not even dressing? Seems to me he's been on the bench in warm ups.
Those aren't warm-ups it's a blow-up sumo wrestler suit.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on February 02, 2021, 10:02:32 AM
This is a tremendous thread reiterating that Wojo isn't nearly the most toxic aspect of the MU program.
Jose's body composition doesn't deserve this level of attack
(http://www.memecreator.org/static/images/memes/4089341.jpg)
Well hello there Jose Perez. Where have you been hiding?
He's painfully slow and unathletic
Perez brings back bad memories from the Joe Nathan era.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 01, 2021, 10:15:05 PM
I don't normally go with the eye test over "stats" but those numbers (as they often are in the program) are fake news. If you ever saw him play or just sit in his uniform) you'd say the same.
I agree, Lenny and said the same thing earlier. On the other hand, his time today made it look like he knows more about the team concept and floor spacing than most of the guys.
He must be a good 3 point shooter as they were running screens for him. They seldom do that for Koby or Jamal.
Dj lol
Koby lol
These dudes aint clutch.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 06, 2021, 05:55:46 PM
Dj lol
Koby lol
These dudes aint clutch.
DJ repeatedly has taken over down the stretch of close games, and he has does a pretty darn good job of it. But no, he's not perfect. And no, he gets little support, including from the coach.
Koby hit the game-winner over St. John's just a couple weeks ago. He also is at least willing to take the big shot.
Wojo said in his post game that Perez had decided to sit this year and work on his conditioning. At practice last week, with all of the injuries, (Theo, Lewis, Oso) Jose got run with different players and performed well. Perez said he would do whatever he could to help the team.
Even if he added 50lbs he would still be better than Torrence.
when does perez intend to start his conditioning program?