Vogue65 here, the great MUScoop statistician.
UCONN played DePaul on Wed. Dec. 30 and Marquette on Tuesday January 5th.
That, based on his indepth analysis, is 6 days.
Marquette played Georgetown on Saturday January 1st. and UCONN Tuesday January 5th.
That is 3 days.
Now the hard part.
Therefore, Marquette had tired legs and all that went with that.
Man, old farts may have tired legs. We're talking 18-22 yo studs here. Even if that were the case, responsibility falls on the head coach, aina?
Quote from: vogue65 on January 07, 2021, 11:33:21 AM
Vogue65 here, the great MUScoop statistician.
UCONN played DePaul on Wed. Dec. 30 and Marquette on Tuesday January 5th.
That, based on his indepth analysis, is 6 days.
Marquette played Georgetown on Saturday January 1st. and UCONN Tuesday January 5th.
That is 3 days.
Now the hard part.
Therefore, Marquette had tired legs and all that went with that.
How much is Dodds paying you to post on this board?
Meanwhile on the runners thread we have people talking about running back to back marathons or more in their middle age. If they can't play two games in 4 days then they should give up on even calling themselves athletes.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 07, 2021, 11:38:41 AM
Man, old farts may have tired legs. We're talking 18-22 yo studs here. Even if that were the case, responsibility falls on the head coach, aina?
This argument has been made by a few.
Look at the other side.
Is a 6 day rest an advantage?
I was once young and did 40 miles with 40 lbs., and I know what rest can do.
Fatigue is physical and mental.
Late night air travel also has its negative consequences.
Some people place a lot of responsibility on the coach for EVERYTHING.
We don't have the details of the travel program or scheduling.
We have the same facts, different conclusion,,thatsfine.
Quote from: vogue65 on January 07, 2021, 11:33:21 AM
Vogue65 here, the great MUScoop statistician.
UCONN played DePaul on Wed. Dec. 30 and Marquette on Tuesday January 5th.
That, based on his indepth analysis, is 6 days.
Marquette played Georgetown on Saturday January 1st. and UCONN Tuesday January 5th.
That is 3 days.
Now the hard part.
Therefore, Marquette had tired legs and all that went with that.
you are funny.
Quote from: panda on January 07, 2021, 11:44:20 AM
How much is Dodds paying you to post on this board?
Wow, I didn't know I could get paid.
How do I get some scratch?
When I took book at the Vogue Cocktail Lounge, across the street from the library, for the vig. , we always factored in the recovery time.
Yes, now we have massages, drugs, I.V., special stretches, even head phones.
I'd still rather have 6 days than 3 days rest, mental as well as physical.
UCONN was waiting for us, we got ambushed, it happens.
Quote from: vogue65 on January 07, 2021, 12:00:45 PM
Wow, I didn't know I could get paid.
How do I get some scratch?
When I took book at the Vogue Cocktail Lounge, across the street from the library, for the vig. , we always factored in the recovery time.
Yes, now we have massages, drugs, I.V., special stretches, even head phones.
I'd still rather have 6 days than 3 days rest, mental as well as physical.
UCONN was waiting for us, we got ambushed, it happens.
Dude, Marquette had like 9 full days of rest before their game against Georgetown. Once conference play starts, you're typically playing 2 games per week. You're carpet bombing this board with bullshat in a way not seen since Chico.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on January 07, 2021, 12:04:28 PM
Dude, Marquette had like 9 full days of rest before their game against Georgetown. Once conference play starts, you're typically playing 2 games per week. You're carpet bombing this board with bullshat in a way not seen since Chico.
I don't go for the bait.
I don't engage with people who speak like you.
If you are saying that the 9 full days of rest and preperation before the Georgetown game helped, getting rid of the rust, getting timing, and sicronization together, then we agree. It makes my point. The team with the rest has an advantage and might be why the so-called collapse. In my view they ran out of steam.
We can agree or disagree without the insults.
Maybe Wojo should implement the Kawhi Leonard plan - "maintenance" days off for certain players. Get out of here with that crap! If these kids have tired legs the coach has recruited the wrong players. Nolan Richardson really struggled with his "40 minutes of hell" philosophy. His players were so enervated they could only muster national championship and runner up finishes in back to back years.
There isn't a material difference between 3 and 6 days. Especially since prior to the 3 days, they had over a week off.
I don't think I'm alone on this but I've thought for a couple of years that Wojo's teams don't seem as well conditioned as compared to the Crean & definitely Buzz teams.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 07, 2021, 12:33:59 PM
There isn't a material difference between 3 and 6 days. Especially since prior to the 3 days, they had over a week off.
Do we have an expert around here? Is there a doctor on the plane?
If there is no material difference between 3 and 6 days, then why does the 9 days off matter?
I noticed during the UCONN game Wojo was juggling the time of some players more than usual.
I don't know enough about basketball, (that's why I'm here, to learn), to know if it was fatigue related or tactical.
If there's one guy here I'm not putting on ignore it's Vogue. His posts always amuse me and the responses are even better.
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Quote from: WhiteTrash on January 07, 2021, 12:39:37 PM
I don't think I'm alone on this but I've thought for a couple of years that Wojo's teams don't seem as well conditioned as compared to the Crean & definitely Buzz teams.
We can agree on that observation, as well as the fact that he has had a lot of freshman playing.
How many times have we heard how much talent someone has, BUT he needs to put on some weight.
Bulking up and cardio. conditioning may be counter programs, I don't know. Again, we need an expert.
Buzz seems to favor more physically mature recruits.
In the UCONN game we were getting pushed around, same with Seton Hall, and Providence has monsters.
Back to coaching, feeding, recruiting, it is what it is.
Buzz had a degree in kinesiology, it may have helped him. It's beyond my pay grade.
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on January 07, 2021, 12:51:39 PM
If there's one guy here I'm not putting on ignore it's Vogue. His posts always amuse me and the responses are even better.
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It's a learning curve. And that's not a buzz word.
I also love the responses.
It took me a long time around here to have fun with Scoop.
It is easy for me to take myself way too seriously.
Quote from: vogue65 on January 07, 2021, 12:42:23 PM
I noticed during the UCONN game Wojo was juggling the time of some players more than usual.
He was? He played eight players, but was subbing more than usual due to foul trouble. If tired legs was such an issue, why didn't he play Dex, Osa or Jose, none of whom played v. Georgetown.
I mean, you honestly think three days off isn't enough for a college basketball team to recover?
Just curious, Vogue what is your athletic background? Did you play sports as a young man or even as an adolescent? Or are the claims regarding recovery time purely hypothetical?
I know you've mentioned your feelings that any contact sport is barbaric and should be outlawed so I am just curious if you ever played a real high intensity sport.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on January 07, 2021, 12:39:37 PM
I don't think I'm alone on this but I've thought for a couple of years that Wojo's teams don't seem as well conditioned as compared to the Crean & definitely Buzz teams.
He's a finesse coach in a physical league. They can run all day with those prior teams, but wear down faster because they're strong enough to handle the physicality required to compete in the Big East.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on January 07, 2021, 12:04:28 PM
Dude, Marquette had like 9 full days of rest before their game against Georgetown. Once conference play starts, you're typically playing 2 games per week. You're carpet bombing this board with bullshat in a way not seen since Chico.
some people are really bad at recognizing sarcasm.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on January 07, 2021, 03:13:48 PM
some people are really bad at recognizing sarcasm.
I've suspected that Vogue is just doing a giant troll job, but I really don't know.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on January 07, 2021, 03:50:18 PM
I've suspected that Vogue is just doing a giant troll job, but I really don't know.
That would be incredible and I've thought the same thing.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 07, 2021, 01:12:48 PM
He was? He played eight players, but was subbing more than usual due to foul trouble. If tired legs was such an issue, why didn't he play Dex, Osa or Jose, none of whom played v. Georgetown.
I mean, you honestly think three days off isn't enough for a college basketball team to recover?
I don't know, but UCONN had 6 days. Did they fly out of Washington late Saturday night or Sunday? That could mean a night lost. All I know is that to my eyes they did not have legs late in the game, for whatever reason.
Quote from: MUfan12 on January 07, 2021, 01:54:42 PM
He's a finesse coach in a physical league. They can run all day with those prior teams, but wear down faster because they're strong enough to handle the physicality required to compete in the Big East.
Right on, that explains part of it. I think a finesse coach needs better shooting players.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 07, 2021, 01:14:38 PM
Just curious, Vogue what is your athletic background? Did you play sports as a young man or even as an adolescent? Or are the claims regarding recovery time purely hypothetical?
I know you've mentioned your feelings that any contact sport is barbaric and should be outlawed so I am just curious if you ever played a real high intensity sport.
Interesting question.
What am I doing, pledging a fraternity?
H.S. football, linebacker, second string.
Marquette, right guard, university intramural football team. We were the all university champions in '64. More black and blues from that than h.s. football.
USMC, OCS, 10 weeks, brain dead from all the forced marches, running, walls, ropes, and stretching. Ended up with mononeuclious. Did two years enlisted.
Basketball, can't even dribble.
Golf, at 50 I carried 14, at sixty I pulled 14, at 70 I started to ride, at 77 I hope to carry 6 or ride as usual.
Do you want my height, weight, and blood pressure?
I have 4 diseases, non of which my wife thinks is a real disease, and she is a retired dentist.
Afib, Hypothyriodism, controled high blood pressure and my new one PMR, polymylagia rumatica.
I'm not sure what this has to do with our warriors having tired legs and sometimes collapsing in the second half of games.
On a serious medical "trolling" note, we have an apartment in Bergamo Italy and every day we get bad Covid news from our friends in Italy. This pandemic is really bad and all the denial, distraction, and Covid fatigue doesn't help. Our sports fan discussions however do help a little.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 07, 2021, 01:14:38 PM
Just curious, Vogue what is your athletic background? Did you play sports as a young man or even as an adolescent? Or are the claims regarding recovery time purely hypothetical?
I know you've mentioned your feelings that any contact sport is barbaric and should be outlawed so I am just curious if you ever played a real high intensity sport.
Not any and all contact sports.
My concern is head injury and concussions.
Therefore, football, hockey, boxing and lacrosse would be my targets.
A brain is a terrible thing to lose.
BTW, I had season tickets to the Packers when they played four games in Milwaukee.
I know, it was a very different world.
Quote from: vogue65 on January 07, 2021, 11:14:55 PM
Interesting question.
What am I doing, pledging a fraternity?
H.S. football, linebacker, second string.
Marquette, right guard, university intramural football team. We were the all university champions in '64. More black and blues from that than h.s. football.
USMC, OCS, 10 weeks, brain dead from all the forced marches, running, walls, ropes, and stretching. Ended up with mononeuclious. Did two years enlisted.
Basketball, can't even dribble.
Golf, at 50 I carried 14, at sixty I pulled 14, at 70 I started to ride, at 77 I hope to carry 6 or ride as usual.
Do you want my height, weight, and blood pressure?
I have 4 diseases, non of which my wife thinks is a real disease, and she is a retired dentist.
Afib, Hypothyriodism, controled high blood pressure and my new one PMR, polymylagia rumatica.
I'm not sure what this has to do with our warriors having tired legs and sometimes collapsing in the second half of games.
On a serious medical "trolling" note, we have an apartment in Bergamo Italy and every day we get bad Covid news from our friends in Italy. This pandemic is really bad and all the denial, distraction, and Covid fatigue doesn't help. Our sports fan discussions however do help a little.
Well that's a major overly defense response. I was just curious if you hadn't don't anything other than say golf and tennis in your life, an explanation for why you'd say a bunch of late teens early 20s young men are gassed.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 07, 2021, 11:35:20 PM
Well that's a major overly defense response. I was just curious if you hadn't don't anything other than say golf and tennis in your life, an explanation for why you'd say a bunch of late teens early 20s young men are gassed.
Yes, one of my tendencies, to be defensive, you might even say overly defensive.
Hope you weren't offended, I call it honesty or transparency, with a touch of humor. I have nothing to hide and nothing to brag about.
My life experience does not help me understand my perception that our team runs out of gas at the end of games. Is it conditioning, muscle mass, being intimidated, lack of sleep, frustration, dehydration, what is it?
BTW, did you know that 90% of government workers are introverts?
Probably similar for engineers, dentists, scientists and Marquette graduates.
Quote from: vogue65 on January 07, 2021, 11:27:57 PM
Not any and all contact sports.
My concern is head injury and concussions.
Therefore, football, hockey, boxing and lacrosse would be my targets.
A brain is a terrible thing to lose.
BTW, I had season tickets to the Packers when they played four games in Milwaukee.
I know, it was a very different world.
Youth and high school soccer have one of the highest concussion rates especially in girls. Wrestling and cheerleading are up there also. Many other sports have possibility of concussion including basketball, la crosse, rugby. Where do you draw the line? There is inherent risk to some degree in everything. Maybe we should all be wrapped in bubble wrap and locked in our houses.
Quote from: hairy worthen on January 08, 2021, 07:21:07 AM
Youth and high school soccer have one of the highest concussion rates especially in girls. Wrestling and cheerleading are up there also. Many other sports have possibility of concussion including basketball, la crosse, rugby. Where do you draw the line? There is inherent risk to some degree in everything. Maybe we should all be wrapped in bubble wrap and locked in our houses.
Great philosophy for a high risk culture. It was needed when we had a warrior mentality and needed millions of willing cannon fodder soldiers. However, the world has changed.
My comments do not draw any line, I just propose we address the low hanging fruit..
We as a people have addressed boxing, and even the NFL has reduced the violence. College basketall has reduced peril with rules inforcement like charging calls.
Yes, there is risk in being a human and people have freedom to take risk. It comes down to risk tolerance, the list of high risk behavior is very long. Small planes, sky diving, skiing, horse back riding, polo, deep diving, auto racing, and ballooning (the kinds of recreation some of my neighbors enjoy).
As they say, whatever floats your boat.
Knot 'nough 5 stars on da teem, den, hey?
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on January 07, 2021, 12:51:39 PM
If there's one guy here I'm not putting on ignore it's Vogue. His posts always amuse me and the responses are even better.
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+1000
In the words of Elvis Costello - "I used to be disgusted, but now I try to be amused".
His stream of consciousness goes off on wild tangents and he doesn't let logic interfere with his proclamations. But he's clever, funny and harmless. I have a good friend like him who disagrees with people and posits oddball opinions just to spark conversation. And every once in a while, he nails something perfectly. Vogue reminds me of that guy. I look forward to his posts.
Now we face Providence next Tuesday with 6 days of rest.
Providence will come in with one day's rest.
I know that we can't draw any scientifically based conclusions, BUT it is 6 days rest vs. 1 day.
What goes around comes around, we shall see what we shall see.
It's not stream if consciousness, it is economic use of words. Some people go on, and on, and on, and on. After making a point, go to the next idea and paragraph.
Like this, it's easy.
Quote from: vogue65 on January 08, 2021, 09:27:49 PM
Now we face Providence next Tuesday with 6 days of rest.
Providence will come in with one day's rest.
I know that we can't draw any scientifically based conclusions, BUT it is 6 days rest vs. 1 day.
What goes around comes around, we shall see what we shall see.
With 6 days of rest vs our 3, UCONN outscored our tired legs by 29 points over the final 15 minutes.
I guess with 6 days of rest to Providence's 1, we should be able to outscore their 3x as tired legs by 87 points over the final 15 minutes.
I'll take the under.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 08, 2021, 10:37:31 PM
With 6 days of rest vs our 3, UCONN outscored our tired legs by 29 points over the final 15 minutes.
I guess with 6 days of rest to Providence's 1, we should be able to outscore their 3x as tired legs by 87 points over the final 15 minutes.
I'll take the under.
Very funny, admirable original analysis. Providence is bigger, stronger, and more experienced than our team. A handicap will help us, if we win, I'll take it.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 07, 2021, 01:14:38 PM
Just curious, Vogue what is your athletic background? Did you play sports as a young man or even as an adolescent? Or are the claims regarding recovery time purely hypothetical?
I know you've mentioned your feelings that any contact sport is barbaric and should be outlawed so I am just curious if you ever played a real high intensity sport.
"I played the game when it was pure back in nineteen hundred and fifty two. An entire team of men would assemble as gentlemen friends on the court and we would strap our legs together with crude leather harnesses. We'd sing hymns and twirl in circles for hours on end. Our skin would shine like freshly pressed mayonnaise. Oh how it would shine! 32 hours later, we would allow God to place an image of the sacred hoop into our minds and we would slowly shuffle up and down the court in unison. Whosoever had the ball, which was, in those days, a hefty head of lettuce, in his hands, would politely deposit the ball into the rim and we would all have to shout, THANK YOU UNCLE SAM! We'd then genuflect in the direction of our parents and shed one tear. The game would go on like this until the good Lord decided who won.
I can barely follow the action of today's games. Fierce men with last names that look like car crashes punishing the Lord our God's rim with hands so large they could pluck the sun from the sky. I mourn for our future, where there will be no polite layups of lettuce balls slurping off of the clammy hands of mayonnaise-skinned gentlemen friends. Only thunderdunks and caustic sweat. What a world."
-vogue65
Im not sure if vogue's take on tired legs is better or worse than his social media is a fad take
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on January 09, 2021, 09:40:43 AM
"I played the game when it was pure back in nineteen hundred and fifty two. An entire team of men would assemble as gentlemen friends on the court and we would strap our legs together with crude leather harnesses. We'd sing hymns and twirl in circles for hours on end. Our skin would shine like freshly pressed mayonnaise. Oh how it would shine! 32 hours later, we would allow God to place an image of the sacred hoop into our minds and we would slowly shuffle up and down the court in unison. Whosoever had the ball, which was, in those days, a hefty head of lettuce, in his hands, would politely deposit the ball into the rim and we would all have to shout, THANK YOU UNCLE SAM! We'd then genuflect in the direction of our parents and shed one tear. The game would go on like this until the good Lord decided who won.
I can barely follow the action of today's games. Fierce men with last names that look like car crashes punishing the Lord our God's rim with hands so large they could pluck the sun from the sky. I mourn for our future, where there will be no polite layups of lettuce balls slurping off of the clammy hands of mayonnaise-skinned gentlemen friends. Only thunderdunks and caustic sweat. What a world."
-vogue65
Prose so good it's almost poetry!
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on January 09, 2021, 09:40:43 AM
"I played the game when it was pure back in nineteen hundred and fifty two. An entire team of men would assemble as gentlemen friends on the court and we would strap our legs together with crude leather harnesses. We'd sing hymns and twirl in circles for hours on end. Our skin would shine like freshly pressed mayonnaise. Oh how it would shine! 32 hours later, we would allow God to place an image of the sacred hoop into our minds and we would slowly shuffle up and down the court in unison. Whosoever had the ball, which was, in those days, a hefty head of lettuce, in his hands, would politely deposit the ball into the rim and we would all have to shout, THANK YOU UNCLE SAM! We'd then genuflect in the direction of our parents and shed one tear. The game would go on like this until the good Lord decided who won.
I can barely follow the action of today's games. Fierce men with last names that look like car crashes punishing the Lord our God's rim with hands so large they could pluck the sun from the sky. I mourn for our future, where there will be no polite layups of lettuce balls slurping off of the clammy hands of mayonnaise-skinned gentlemen friends. Only thunderdunks and caustic sweat. What a world."
-vogue65
That is pretty freakin' funny, Zig!
I will also add myself to the list of people who were frustrated by vogue for a while, but now enjoy his posts. Always interesting, to say the least....
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on January 09, 2021, 09:40:43 AM
"I played the game when it was pure back in nineteen hundred and fifty two. An entire team of men would assemble as gentlemen friends on the court and we would strap our legs together with crude leather harnesses. We'd sing hymns and twirl in circles for hours on end. Our skin would shine like freshly pressed mayonnaise. Oh how it would shine! 32 hours later, we would allow God to place an image of the sacred hoop into our minds and we would slowly shuffle up and down the court in unison. Whosoever had the ball, which was, in those days, a hefty head of lettuce, in his hands, would politely deposit the ball into the rim and we would all have to shout, THANK YOU UNCLE SAM! We'd then genuflect in the direction of our parents and shed one tear. The game would go on like this until the good Lord decided who won.
I can barely follow the action of today's games. Fierce men with last names that look like car crashes punishing the Lord our God's rim with hands so large they could pluck the sun from the sky. I mourn for our future, where there will be no polite layups of lettuce balls slurping off of the clammy hands of mayonnaise-skinned gentlemen friends. Only thunderdunks and caustic sweat. What a world."
-vogue65
I nominate for post of the year, (so far)
Quote from: hairy worthen on January 09, 2021, 04:52:56 PM
I nominate for post of the year, (so far)
So...the post of the past 6 days + 3 days? ;D
Quote from: GooooMarquette on January 09, 2021, 04:56:07 PM
So...the post of the past 6 days + 3 days? ;D
Yes, ha. but it's a high bar. Beautiful prose, brought a tear to my eye.
Stolen from the deadspin comments section from many years ago. Not my original work, though the original author is on par with ZFB for wit and witticism.
Yet, so perfect for vogue65.