1. How would the narrative of MU basketball been different the last few years if Greg was healthy?
2. Playing 7 against Creighton. Bold move, Cotton.
3. Free throws matta.
4. DJ is the PG we have been waiting for.
5. If you didn't like the defensive effort tonight, turn in your fan card.
6. Creighton's ball movement in the first half was a clinic. MU's defense changed it.
7. Must have practiced the zone offense.
8. Justin bounced back well from UCLA.
9. You knew the Creighton run was coming. They are too good, too experienced, and too at home for it to not tighten up.
10. Only question was whether MU could overcome fouls and fatigue to hold on.
11. Barely. But MU just took down a top 10 team on the road. That makes two of Wojo's best wins in the last 10 days. Mmmm-hmmmm
I'm speechless. I'm without speech.
12. Ball don't mother fucking lie
I'd like to add that I hate Mitch Ballock's face.
What a win.
This team is raw as hell. Mostly exhibited in our TOs and free throw shooting. But god damn we are talented, athletic and can defend the sh it outta a team(when we aint called for BS fouls)
Wow this team is something else. Kudos Wojo. He's got a squad. Refs tried to hack their way to a blue jays victory. DJ is the real deal...look what a real PG gets us. Dawson starting to come around even more. Umm, Greg? Please more. Less Symir.
Great win. DJ carton stud of the game.
Key to the game was not listening to the fake coaches on this board...Cain at the 4 etc
Theo, Garcia and Lewis.., having 2 in the game was clutch... having creighton adjust to MU instead of MU adjusting..,
Greg and dj were huge!
Good win!
Quote from: Markusquette on December 14, 2020, 10:13:25 PM
Wow this team is something else. Kudos Wojo. He's got a squad. Refs tried to hack their way to a blue jays victory. DJ is the real deal...look what a real PG gets us. Dawson starting to come around even more. Umm, Greg? Please more. Less Symir.
I'm very upset about that last call where Mahoney elbowed Cains face and Cain got called for the foul.
The first half was everything I expected this game to be. The second was not. Elliott & Carton both with career highs. A road Big East win. Wojo is now 5-2 in Omaha. WTF happened in that second half?
The only real bad call down the stretch was the call on Greg. The refs were fine otherwise.
Thought we needed a 3rd perimeter player to step up a level. Never thought Greg would/could be that guy. Tonight he was. Kudos to him.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 14, 2020, 10:14:30 PM
The first half was everything I expected this game to be. The second was not. Elliott & Carton both with career highs. A road Big East win. Wojo is now 5-2 in Omaha. WTF happened in that second half?
I have no idea Brew. My mind is still trying to process how we came back and took the lead in the second half.
They were trying to control the game too much. Probably 3-4 bad calls. Giving Greg a hell of a hard time on some calls.
Also how about that find From DJ to Theo for the slam?
3 guards.
Don't want to hear anything about how Creighton missed 11 FT's its not like Marquette shot lights out from the line either.
Been on the Greg bandwagon for a long time. Nice to see him demonstrating what he brings to the team
Those calls on the last 2 three attempts were plain awful.
That said love how we are flying around on defense.
on offense we no longer settle for 30 ft three's as the shot clock is going down. We have a post game and DJ slashing to the hoop along with ball movement
Props to Wojo.
I love this team. Love seeing the players swooping to the hoop, having fun, etc.
What a great game overall.
Garcia is slowly getting more aggressive and physical. By the end of the year he'll be very good.
Can Creighton realize they're not in the MO Valley anymore and get rid of the grade school rims? You can hear how loose they are every time the ball hits the rim.
After the first game or two, Carton looked like another guy. He's found himself, and if this continues, enjoy him while he's here.
Outstanding team win to weather the late surge and some...interesting...officiating down the stretch.
Lastly, the black kits are our best kits, and I will not be taking questions at this time.
Wojo needs to also get credit for adapting his offense. No more 4 out. Now running 3 out with high-low action. Adjusting to that could have also contributed to some poor decision making early on.
It's nice to have a real PG again.
12. THAT WAS AWESOME
13. FIRE WOJO
If we stay healthy, the upper-classmen stay consistent and DJ, Dawson and Justin keep improving that's a nice recipe.
There were several moments in the 2nd half as the pace started to come back to earth where there was literally no answer for the size and physicality inside. Just wonderful to have that classic Big East toughness that's been lacking in recent years.
May have been different with a full crowd but doesn't take away the grit and resilience tonight. Keep rolling!
Great team win. Kudos to Wojo and crew for making adjustments at half to get the game on track and steal a road win.
Was great to see Elliot have a hell of a game, we don't win without him.
Best game Wojo ever coached. He really coached well, made adjustments at halftime and largely shut down the 3-barrage that almost killed us in the first half.
Team has some growing to do. but what we saw tonight was special
I have to imagine the camaraderie is different. Nobody is "the guy" and it's win by committee.
As fun as it was to watch Markus, it was always live or die by Markus. Starting to remember what it's like to watch a team. What a ride it's been in 7 games.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 14, 2020, 10:14:30 PM
The first half was everything I expected this game to be. The second was not. Elliott & Carton both with career highs. A road Big East win. Wojo is now 5-2 in Omaha. WTF happened in that second half?
Some people may say "an in game adjustment" was made. I think Creighton feel in love with the three and died by it. They shot 32 of them while MU shot 21. Creighton only made 2 more threes.
MU outrebounded them by 15 total and 5 on offense. I thought MU turned it over more but only 12.
Not even half way through the season and have two top 10 wins under our belt. Similar to the last two seasons we also had pretty big wins to start the year. Hopefully Wojo can take what he has learned from those two late season collapses and install it into the new players. This does feel like a different marquette team though that the last few years. Hopefully its not my googles after a top 10 road win.
I see a lot of teams do it and I always think it is stupid. Taking fouls at end of first half when the opponent is not in the bonus. McEwen takes a foul with 4+ seconds to go and Creighton ends up with a miracle three. McEwen finishes game with 4 fouls.
While Dawson needs to get stronger, tonight showed he also needed confidence. He found it in the 2nd half and played great..
I thought the refs were fine. Elliott was flopping and both he and Cain put themselves in bad positions on those final plays.
5 guys in double figures.
Wasnt expecting a W, Creighton always plays us tough and even tougher to play in their gym (albeit without fans...but still...we wont make excuses if MU loses at home and neither should they)
We may only get one more year out of this group despite its youth. Selfishly I would love Theo for one more season.
But hey, I'm still gonna enjoy two, top-10 wins to start the year.
Greg. He is a dude. Love his commitment. Love his passion. Not our best guy but if our best guys had his passion...
Shut down Ballock. I said make everyone else beat us. Mahoney was close...but he's no Ballock.
Great job MU!
Dawson was mostly brutal again in the first half not knwoing how to finish down low and looking sloppy.
Boy did he play like a burger boy when we needed him though.
MU shot 54%. 57% from 3. The end.
If I was the coach, I'd have my players do that every game.
Bitchin - follow it up Thursday and get that bad play after sig wins monkey off our back! MU rah!!!
8-7 v Creighton since coming in - keep that up wojo !!
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 14, 2020, 10:24:28 PM
5 guys in double figures.
And both Freshman almost double-doubled. Garcia 14 and 10, Lewis 11 and 9.
Also I gotta shout out Koby McEwen. He's playing smart, efficiently, shooting well and playing great D. I think he's letting the game come to him more and found a role instead of trying to do too much when Howard was his backcourt mate.
Quote from: AlumKCof93 on December 14, 2020, 10:23:12 PM
While Dawson needs to get stronger, tonight showed he also needed confidence. He found it in the 2nd half and played great..
I thought the refs were fine. Elliott was flopping and both he and Cain put themselves in bad positions on those final plays.
He found it by getting a lay up first, a block, a board, etc... A few different games this season, Garcia has taken and missed a handful of 3's early in games.
What I would like to see change is running a set for a more high percentage shot early for him, to get a bucket, some rythm and some confidence earlier in the game.
A real pleasure to beat a very talented well coached team. A real team effort.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 14, 2020, 10:14:30 PM
The first half was everything I expected this game to be. The second was not. Elliott & Carton both with career highs. A road Big East win. Wojo is now 5-2 in Omaha. WTF happened in that second half?
Mac happened, first of all. Wojo gets ripped for being a bad coach, but I'd take him over Mac in a heartbeat. Wojo especially seems to have his number—we always match up well with the Blue Jays and their style of play. You'll never see Creighton make an adjustment on either end (53 points last year from Markus is example 1a of that) and Creighton won't slow down the game if they have a big lead.
Ballock got shut down/stopped asserting himself in the second half, and Zegarowski was 0-7 from three and played like a scared bunny all game. Creighton also has zero post presence, they can't rebound at all and we destroyed them on the offensive glass.
I'll feel pretty good about beating them the second time around, too. If DJ is hitting, we can hold our own from the outside and the Jays don't have anyone who can stop skilled bigs like Lewis and Garcia, or even a bruiser like John.
It's a good matchup for us.
Only five turnovers in second half.
Elliott played almost entire second half for Cain, who picked up early foul. Made some clutch threes the spurred the team. He made some stupid plays (flops) and fouls, but his best game at MU.
MU missed three front end foul shots, two in last minutes (Lewis and Carton). Make them and it would not have been so frightening at end. Well, unless CU made some, but both teams sucked at the line.
Garcia finally played tough in second half, taking it strong to the basket (14 points, 10 rebounds, 2 blocks). Stopped jacking up threes. Very, very good effort.
Balanced scoring.
42-28 on the boards. Difference
When was the last time we forced a team to adjust to us instead of vice versa?
Wojo dialed up the correct defensive adjustments in the 2nd half to allow 2 bigs to continue to be on the floor. Then an emphasis on getting the ball inside on offense.
Mac had to try something, and we played darn well vs the zone.
Applause.
After so many years being undersized, it's nice to see a game where we outrebounded the hell out of somebody.
Of course 4ever is nowhere to be seen after MU makes its comeback.
Marquette's defense is night and day difference compared to last year.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 14, 2020, 10:36:48 PM
Of course 4ever is nowhere to be seen after MU makes its comeback.
Good point, Fluff. I've been critical of Wojo but c'mon, man, kudos tonight.
Quote from: BLM on December 14, 2020, 10:17:27 PM
Garcia is slowly getting more aggressive and physical. By the end of the year he'll be very good.
Can Creighton realize they're not in the MO Valley anymore and get rid of the grade school rims? You can hear how loose they are every time the ball hits the rim.
Grow up
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 14, 2020, 10:36:48 PM
Of course 4ever is nowhere to be seen after MU makes its comeback.
Bestest fan ever.
Quote from: Pakuni on December 14, 2020, 10:41:24 PM
Bestest fan ever.
Cut him some slack. I'm sure he just had prior obligations and just popped in for a second to rip Wojo.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 14, 2020, 10:26:14 PM
Dawson was mostly brutal again in the first half not knwoing how to finish down low and looking sloppy.
Boy did he play like a burger boy when we needed him though.
Something clicked. Like he realized he was better.
Lotta chirping tonight. Our boys were tough and showed up in force. I think I am gonna really taking a liking to this team. Feels a bit like a Bazz team.
Dawson 14&10.
That kid played his arse off. Everytime I look at Dawson I think to myself he's thinking
"this isn't what he signed up for"
And then he got strong. He might not realize it but this is helping him. Also, he needs to dribble drive more, he's got this
Quote from: DoctorV on December 14, 2020, 10:45:52 PM
Dawson 14&10.
That kid played his arse off. Everytime I look at Dawson I think to myself he's thinking
"this isn't what he signed up for"
And then he got strong. He might not realize it but this is helping him. Also, he needs to dribble drive more, he's got this
He stopped being pretty. He rolled up his sleeves and did the work. It was f'ing beautiful. I previously said he'd be a better Joey. He keeps this up on Defense and the boards and I won't even remember who I compared him to.
When Creighton cut it to 3, I was already picturing a game we let get away due to inexperience. The team really stepped up at the end and showed a lot of maturity.
It was fun to see Garcia and Lewis asking for the ball in the post with mismatches late.
I'm not smart enough to know what Wojo switched up at half, but good job by him.
Great win. Somewhat unexpected. Elliott, man, great showing. This team is deep and showed grit. Wojo showed up in the second half. Lots of first year players brought it. Let's build off this one. Nice recruits coming in. Ring out ahoya!
Quote from: JakeBarnes on December 14, 2020, 10:44:34 PM
Something clicked. Like he realized he was better.
Lotta chirping tonight. Our boys were tough and showed up in force. I think I am gonna really taking a liking to this team. Feels a bit like a Bazz team.
I think some of it had to do with him being on the bench when we made the first burst to get back into the game early second half.
He was one of the biggest cheerleaders on the side lines. He came into the game shortly after and just seemed a whole new level of engaged. It was great.
Whole team was feeding off each other tonight.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 14, 2020, 10:14:30 PM
WTF happened in that second half?
1. We made shots. All the other stuff matters, but everything looks better, everything feels relatively "easy," when you make shots. We made our first five 3s of the half (compare to UCLA, where we went 0-11 in the 2H), and also had a lot of good looks inside. And Kobe continues to be automatic from the line in the clutch. Gotta make shots.
2. We did a MUCH better job knowing where Ballock was, staying with him, not doubling off him. Kobe did most of the work, and did it very well. He was still gonna get a few looks, but we limited those looks quite a bit better.
3. We did a better job overall of running their shooters off the 3-point line and forcing tough 2s. And we never let Zegarowski take over the game.
4. We looked for Garcia on the block, ran good sets to get him in the right spot to use his height and talent advantage. Gave Theo and Lewis a couple good looks too.
5. We had an "unsung hero." To pull off a road win, you often need somebody unexpected to step up. Greg Elliott, you da man!
6. Creighton did a nice job of missing free throws. Thank you very much. I guess McDermott doesn't practice them.
7. This team is tougher and grittier than some think, and that showed in the second half.
8. Wojo did a nice job keeping the team in the game when Creighton had the lead, and a nice job keeping us focused after we got the lead. Plus, he is Mr. Omaha!
9. We Are Marquette!!
This team is gonna go 3-1 against Nova and Creighton and 1-3 against DePaul and Georgetown.
Quote from: MU82 on December 14, 2020, 10:50:01 PM
1. We made shots. All the other stuff matters, but everything looks better, everything feels relatively "easy," when you make shots. We made our first five 3s of the half (compare to UCLA, where we went 0-11 in the 2H), and also had a lot of good looks inside. And Kobe continues to be automatic from the line in the clutch. Gotta make shots.
2. We did a MUCH better job knowing where Ballock was, staying with him, not doubling off him. Kobe did most of the work, and did it very well. He was still gonna get a few looks, but we limited those looks quite a bit better.
3. We did a better job overall of running their shooters off the 3-point line and forcing tough 2s. And we never let Zegarowski take over the game.
4. We looked for Garcia on the block, ran good sets to get him in the right spot to use his height and talent advantage. Gave Theo and Lewis a couple good looks too.
5. We had an "unsung hero." To pull off a road win, you often need somebody unexpected to step up. Greg Elliott, you da man!
6. Creighton did a nice job of missing free throws. Thank you very much. I guess McDermott doesn't practice them.
7. This team is tougher and grittier than some think, and that showed in the second half.
8. Wojo did a nice job keeping the team in the game when Creighton had the lead, and a nice job keeping us focused after we got the lead. Plus, he is Mr. Omaha!
9. We Are Marquette!!
All that and we only won by 5?
Quote from: Pakuni on December 14, 2020, 10:41:24 PM
Bestest fan ever.
His fandom shall not be questioned.
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Wojo has suffered a good number of shellackings in conference openers (now 2-5 overall), but was nice to see the team get off to a good start against a tough foe.
Quote from: DoctorV on December 14, 2020, 11:01:40 PM
All that and we only won by 5?
Creighton is really good. Can score 9 points in 20 seconds. It takes lots of good stuff to win on the road against a team like that. One of our fellow Scoopers said in a different thread before the game that we had "no shot." I said that wasn't true; all we had to do was play really well. Which we did.
Plus, we were 7-8 point dogs ... so we actually won by 12-13.
Or something like that.
Quote from: BallBoy on December 14, 2020, 10:22:02 PM
Some people may say "an in game adjustment" was made. I think Creighton feel in love with the three and died by it. They shot 32 of them while MU shot 21. Creighton only made 2 more threes.
MU outrebounded them by 15 total and 5 on offense. I thought MU turned it over more but only 12.
Wojo shut down Ballock in the 2nd half.
Is Zagarowski the most overrated player in BE history? He's not even one of Creighton's 3 best players.
Give me Tyger Campbell 7 days a week and twice on Sunday over Zagarowski.
I didn't think MU could win this style of game, I think that's what I was most impressed with.
Quote from: BLM on December 14, 2020, 11:07:19 PM
Is Zagarowski the most overrated player in BE history? He's not even one of Creighton's 3 best players.
Give me Tyler Campbell 7 days a week and twice on Sunday over Zagarowski.
Be amazing if he wins POY
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 14, 2020, 10:14:30 PM
WTF happened in that second half?
1. We hit a lot of shots
2. Wojo had the guys get up on them and defend the 3 point line. We fouled a bit but we knocked Creighton out of their comfort zone. Well done, Wojo! Great execution, team!
Greg:
27 minutes
14 points
4 Rebounds
3 Assists
4/4 from three
Quote from: DegenerateDish on December 14, 2020, 11:10:33 PM
I didn't think MU could win this style of game, I think that's what I was most impressed with.
We played Creighton's style in the 1st half and couldn't keep up. Forced them into a slugging match in the 2nd and Creighton couldn't stand up to it.
Quote from: BLM on December 14, 2020, 11:07:19 PM
Is Zagarowski the most overrated player in BE history? He's not even one of Creighton's 3 best players.
Give me Tyler Campbell 7 days a week and twice on Sunday over Zagarowski.
Well, for one thing, we caught a 42% career 3-point shooter on an 0-for-7 night. At least 3 or 4 of his looks were wide open. He hits those in the first half, we're down big and we might not have been able to dig out of the hole.
And he does a nice job controlling the pace of the game for that team. Averages 6 assists and orchestrates a real high-octane offense. Not as simple as it looks.
But I do get the gist of what you're saying. The hype machine was blowing a gasket. No way he's the best player in the Big East IMHO.
Quote from: BLM on December 14, 2020, 11:07:19 PM
Is Zagarowski the most overrated player in BE history? He's not even one of Creighton's 3 best players.
Give me Tyler Campbell 7 days a week and twice on Sunday over Zagarowski.
He definitely came into this year way over hyped. But hes still a really, really good player
Went over to the Creighton board for a minute. They did not like our lively bench, haha.
Quote from: BLM on December 14, 2020, 11:07:19 PM
Is Zagarowski the most overrated player in BE history? He's not even one of Creighton's 3 best players.
Give me Tyler Campbell 7 days a week and twice on Sunday over Zagarowski.
I rarely post on here unless I see a horrible horrible take. This is your second one on this thread. Zegarowski sucks and Creighton illegally unscrews their rims to make them soft. Got it.
Quote from: MU82 on December 14, 2020, 11:17:22 PM
Well, for one thing, we caught a 42% career 3-point shooter on an 0-for-7 night. At least 3 or 4 of his looks were wide open. He hits those in the first half, we're down big and we might not have been able to dig out of the hole.
And he does a nice job controlling the pace of the game for that team. Averages 6 assists and orchestrates a real high-octane offense. Not as simple as it looks.
But I do get the gist of what you're saying. The hype machine was blowing a gasket. No way he's the best player in the Big East IMHO.
I think most point guards in the BE would average 6 assists per game playing with all that shooting and at that pace.
The way we hate Seton Hall? I imagine that's how Creighton feels about us.
Quote from: BLM on December 14, 2020, 11:27:50 PM
I think most point guards in the BE would average 6 assists per game playing with all that shooting and at that pace.
Marcus Zegarowski would start on any college basketball team in America.
30-20 MU wins Points in the Paint. PIP+FTM was 47-34 good guys. 42-27 rebounding difference. Simply, MU exploited their match-up advantage in the lane. We will be a handful most nights.
Game was only 67 possessions. Slower than our 3 cupcake games and OSU. Seemed way faster than that. Scoring 89 points on 67 possessions is absurd.
Quote from: Carl on December 14, 2020, 11:32:02 PM
Marcus Zegarowski would start on any college basketball team in America.
I don't see any way he would start on Illinois, Baylor, or Gonzaga, to name 3 off the top of my head.
Quote from: We R Final Four on December 14, 2020, 11:06:23 PM
Wojo shut down Ballock in the 2nd half.
Wojo and the team did a great job today but I don't believe the above is a true statement. Our defense was great but I think MU just took better shots and out hustled them.
1. Ballock was 5-8 3pt in the first half and 1 2pt. He was 3-6 in the second. I wouldn't say 2 less shots is shutting someone down.
2. Ballock has a history of disappearing and not shooting the ball. I think he deferred to Mahoney and Zeg.
3. Creighton shot 32 3pt and only 26 2pt. 8 for 18 in the first and 6 for 14 in the second. MU on the other hand took 35 2pt shots and 21 3pt better mix lead to better results.
4. Creighton only had 9 offensive rebounds on 30 missed shots. MU had 14 on 26 Missed shots
Story is really we locked in rebounding and got good shots (and made them)
Quote from: BLM on December 14, 2020, 11:43:07 PM
I don't see any way he would start on Illinois, Baylor, or Gonzaga, to name 3 off the top of my head.
My bad. Clearly the most over rated player in BE history
I imagine fans of opposing teams would've said similar things about Markus if they played us when he had one of his real stinkers.
Is Zegarowski the most overrated player in Big East history? No, but he sucked major ass tonight and his poor shooting was a big reason Creighton lost. It's hard to win when your best player couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat.
Quote from: BLM on December 14, 2020, 11:27:50 PM
I think most point guards in the BE would average 6 assists per game playing with all that shooting and at that pace.
Not gonna get into an argument about something I don't care enough about.
I'm just glad he had an 0-7 night from 3.
Shouldn't be arguing about anything tonight!
Our resume has some blemishes, but...
Is there a team in the country that has 2 better wins than Vs #4 Wisco
and @ #9 Creighton?
In a season where you play whatever games you can, when you can, we have some pretty nice notches on the bedpost.
My first thought was if we shot like this against UCLA we would have won by 10.
My second thought was if we had these refs against UCLA we would have by 20.
Excellent win by the team. That gives Wojo his 6th top 10 win moving him out a tie with Buzz (with the benefit of an extra year).
Quote from: Carl on December 15, 2020, 12:22:15 AM
Is there a team in the country that has 2 better wins than Vs #4 Wisco
and @ #9 Creighton?
In a season where you play whatever games you can, when you can, we have some pretty nice notches on the bedpost.
I'd argue that the only team with 2 better wins than us so far this season is Gonzaga (Kansas and West Virginia on neutral courts). Unfortunately we paired our two big wins with losses to solid but not amazing teams. Hopefully we take care of business against Seton Hall and give the voters something to think about on Monday.
I'm thankful for every game we get to play but man does this team deserve to play in front of a sold out Fiserv crowd. Sucks it won't happen this season.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 15, 2020, 12:32:21 AM
My first thought was if we shot like this against UCLA we would have won by 10.
My second thought was if we had these refs against UCLA we would have by 20.
Excellent win by the team. That gives Wojo his 6th top 10 win moving him out a tie with Buzz (with the benefit of an extra year).
I'd argue that the only team with 2 better wins than us so far this season is Gonzaga (Kansas and West Virginia on neutral courts). Unfortunately we paired our two big wins with losses to solid but not amazing teams. Hopefully we take care of business against Seton Hall and give the voters something to think about on Monday.
And Xavier. Rare 3 game week.
Quote from: BLM on December 14, 2020, 11:07:19 PM
Is Zagarowski the most overrated player in BE history? He's not even one of Creighton's 3 best players.
Give me Tyger Campbell 7 days a week and twice on Sunday over Zagarowski.
Got a LONG ways to go before he eclipses Myles Powell. Gotta shoot like tonight for half the season and still get talked about for the Wooden Award and swindle BE POY
Great win! Proud of the team. Go MU!
Great win - props to Wojo and the guys. What a comeback on the road. Just scratch my head at why we can't put this kind of effort together across a whole season. So many flashes of what we *could* be.
Surprised not more talk about the freshman bigs. Combined 25pts and 20rebs. I know CU is small - but I LOVE seeing that from our freshman front court.
Quote from: BM1090 on December 14, 2020, 11:40:35 PM
Game was only 67 possessions. Slower than our 3 cupcake games and OSU. Seemed way faster than that. Scoring 89 points on 67 possessions is absurd.
It felt that way because the first half was 30 and the second was 37. Much faster pace of play in the second, and we scored 54 on 37 possessions (1.46 ppp) in the second half.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on December 14, 2020, 11:37:39 PM
30-20 MU wins Points in the Paint. PIP+FTM was 47-34 good guys. 42-27 rebounding difference. Simply, MU exploited their match-up advantage in the lane. We will be a handful most nights.
I was just about to post about this qualitatively. We played inside out on offense and exploited the upper hand with our big guys. This was a (GASP) halftime adjustment to boot.
Great to own the glass.
Garcia finishing a couple in traffic is good to see as well. Big step if he can do that more often.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=401254985
box score
Now lets see if Wojo can win against the Pirates. There is only a one game difference between them and us and I would not under estimate their chances. I hope we can build on success.
We win da foo kin' game, aina!?!
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 15, 2020, 12:45:34 AM
And Xavier. Rare 3 game week.
This plays off your post right above about being thankful for every game we play.
We probably don't play this one with X on pause right now.
Quote from: 1SE on December 15, 2020, 05:06:46 AM
Great win - props to Wojo and the guys. What a comeback on the road. Just scratch my head at why we can't put this kind of effort together across a whole season. So many flashes of what we *could* be.
Because there aren't a lot of nights when MU is going to shoot 57% on 3's. It was the difference between the UCLA game and the Creighton game. That's easily the single biggest factor.
While there is certainly luck and randomness involved in shooting percentages from night to night, UCLA's defensive intensity and ability was a big part of the equation.
Rebounds. Marquette 42. Blue Jays 27. Nice.
Quote from: TSmith34 on December 14, 2020, 10:19:15 PM
It's nice to have a real PG again.
Sure is. It is a lot easier to score late in the game when everybody in the building doesn't know exactly what is coming.
Quote from: CTWarrior on December 15, 2020, 07:24:58 AM
Sure is. It is a lot easier to score late in the game when everybody in the building doesn't know exactly what is coming.
And the opposing defense runs three players at that one person and the ball still never comes out of his hand.
Quote from: TSmith34 on December 15, 2020, 07:05:06 AM
Because there aren't a lot of nights when MU is going to shoot 57% on 3's. It was the difference between the UCLA game and the Creighton game. That's easily the single biggest factor.
While there is certainly luck and randomness involved in shooting percentages from night to night, UCLA's defensive intensity and ability was a big part of the equation.
That, and Creighton missed a lot of FTs.
Guess they matta.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on December 15, 2020, 07:41:56 AM
That, and Creighton missed a lot of FTs.
Guess they matta.
Yup, everybody has hit on them, but we won because we shot as well as we're ever going to, we whipped them on the boards, and they missed too many FTs.
Carton is the single most important factor in success for this team. His ability to not only handle pressure on the ball, but to beat it and score or set up a teammate is outstanding. After seeing a Paint Touches or Cracked Sidewalks stat before the game that 3 of Koby's 4 TOs v. UCLA were in the 6 minutes Carton was out, I watched closely when DJ went out in the first half. Creighton attacked Koby and applied far more pressure on the ball than it had to that point. Koby managed it ok, but was clearly not real comfortable as the primary ballhandler. With DJ around, Koby excels in that secondary spot where he can be on the offensive rather than having the D attack him trying to bring the ball up and initiate offense. As an aside, Koby is so clutch from the line at the end of games. He doesn't seem to hit rim very often.
Creighton extended its D and started to try to get aggressive and throw two out high at DJ when we had the lead in the second half, but he managed to dribble out of it and either hit a runner, drop a pass to Theo for a dunk or kick it out several times. What a huge difference. His quickness is next level and such a great weapon to have. Hopefully Symir's toe gets better so he can provide spot minutes at the point when need be and that he gets his confidence back. I would love to know what the conversation or thinking was to have DJ come off the bench the first few games. Maybe avoid ruffling feathers. I'm not critical of it, but I think it is becoming clear that he is the best we have and the head of the snake. Fun player to watch.
That front court of Theo, Garcia and Lewis is also fun to watch. The play where Justin kept a missed Carton layup alive and Dawson finished with a putback was exciting to see from two frosh. Love to see them asserting themselves in big moments.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on December 15, 2020, 12:06:53 AM
I imagine fans of opposing teams would've said similar things about Markus if they played us when he had one of his real stinkers.
Is Zegarowski the most overrated player in Big East history? No, but he sucked major ass tonight and his poor shooting was a big reason Creighton lost. It's hard to win when your best player couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat.
Reminds me of our bad beats last year.
Quote from: 1SE on December 15, 2020, 05:06:46 AM
Surprised not more talk about the freshman bigs. Combined 25pts and 20rebs. I know CU is small - but I LOVE seeing that from our freshman front court.
Love those two. JFL is outstanding and seems to really understand the game and see the floor. He's probably my favorite player on the team. Garcia is also good, and is going to be really, really good. Somebody is going to put 20 pounds on Garcia (either Marquette or an NBA team -- I hope it's Marquette) and he's going to be an absolute beast.
Quote from: CTWarrior on December 15, 2020, 07:56:10 AM
Yup, everybody has hit on them, but we won because we shot as well as we're ever going to, we whipped them on the boards, and they missed too many FTs.
We won three of the four factors: EFG, OR% (big) and FTR
They won turnover%
We did a great job slowing them down. It was the slowest paced game Creighton has played all year.
Guard play. When MU has struggled, it hasn't gotten good enough guard play.
Sure MU used its size and length on the boards and inside, but getting better and more contribution from the guards was a difference maker.
Defending, limiting turnovers, and adding a offense from someone not named Carton or McEwen at the guard position.
Lewis, Garcia, are going to get better and better. But MU will need Elliott, Cain, different nights to make signficant contributions.
Quote from: tower912 on December 14, 2020, 10:19:00 PM
Wojo needs to also get credit for adapting his offense. No more 4 out. Now running 3 out with high-low action. Adjusting to that could have also contributed to some poor decision making early on.
Bingo! Props to Wojo... and this is why Theo and Dawson were a greater inside threat and why the inside game is so important. Theo at 6'10" and Dawson at 6'11";should be sniffing the rim instead of the three point line.
This was an outstanding team effort, terrific defense, a slid second half where we have faltered in the past seasons, and some stand-out performances, a great team and Coaches win. Subbing was nearly flawless.
The refs were right most of the time tho I was still cursing them out. Have too. But they were zeroed in in Greg. Great to see Greg hit those threes and be aggressive on D. Carton - wow! Garcia under and around the rim will get better and better. Lewis - have to just love that kid! High motor! Koby off the ball is fantastic. Theo a force. Jamal I like in the game. Great energy.
Keep playing like this and we could be good. Very good. Reduce turnovers to under 10 and we can win some games easily. Go Marquette!
Great to see five guys in double figures. If someone would have told me Theo would only play 20 minutes and we'd still outrebound CU by 15, I'd have said he was on glue.
Great win. Go Warriors!
Quote from: StillWarriors on December 15, 2020, 08:41:34 AM
Carton is the single most important factor in success for this team. His ability to not only handle pressure on the ball, but to beat it and score or set up a teammate is outstanding. After seeing a Paint Touches or Cracked Sidewalks stat before the game that 3 of Koby's 4 TOs v. UCLA were in the 6 minutes Carton was out, I watched closely when DJ went out in the first half. Creighton attacked Koby and applied far more pressure on the ball than it had to that point. Koby managed it ok, but was clearly not real comfortable as the primary ballhandler. With DJ around, Koby excels in that secondary spot where he can be on the offensive rather than having the D attack him trying to bring the ball up and initiate offense. As an aside, Koby is so clutch from the line at the end of games. He doesn't seem to hit rim very often.
Creighton extended its D and started to try to get aggressive and throw two out high at DJ when we had the lead in the second half, but he managed to dribble out of it and either hit a runner, drop a pass to Theo for a dunk or kick it out several times. What a huge difference. His quickness is next level and such a great weapon to have. Hopefully Symir's toe gets better so he can provide spot minutes at the point when need be and that he gets his confidence back. I would love to know what the conversation or thinking was to have DJ come off the bench the first few games. Maybe avoid ruffling feathers. I'm not critical of it, but I think it is becoming clear that he is the best we have and the head of the snake. Fun player to watch.
That front court of Theo, Garcia and Lewis is also fun to watch. The play where Justin kept a missed Carton layup alive and Dawson finished with a putback was exciting to see from two frosh. Love to see them asserting themselves in big moments.
This is quality all around. Good post.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on December 15, 2020, 09:01:17 AM
Love those two. JFL is outstanding and seems to really understand the game and see the floor. He's probably my favorite player on the team. Garcia is also good, and is going to be really, really good. Somebody is going to 20 pounds on Garcia (either Marquette or an NBA team -- I hope it's Marquette) and he's going to be an absolute beast.
JFL brings energy, skills, has great IQ and a tremendous physical presence. He is a kid we can really build around.
What really gets me excited for the remainder of the season is this team is in a great spot for Dawson to improve.
MU can win games without looking to its burger boy to win it for us. With scoring help from JL, DJ, KM and others, Dawson has a little bit of a luxury in his development process. I think Dawson will be able to finish much better around the rim later in the year. Looking forward to it.
Quote from: 1SE on December 15, 2020, 05:06:46 AM
Just scratch my head at why we can't put this kind of effort together across a whole season.
I'm guessing lots of Creighton fans are saying the same thing today. How can the supposed BE POY, a 42% career 3-point shooter, go 0-7, including misses on some wide-open looks? Why can't Ballock be that aggressive all the time? How could they let a lightly regarded bench player swing the momentum of the game in Marquette's favor?
And plenty of Madison fans were saying similar on Dec. 4.
They are 18-22-year-olds. Even when playing relatively well, they are far from perfect. That's even more the case this year, when there was little time together before the season. I'm not just talking about Marquette, I'm talking about everybody.
As for MU ... our 3 best players are a sophomore transfer who has not yet played the equivalent of a full season, a freshman who recently turned 19 and a freshman who won't be 19 until after the season. It's not an excuse, it's a fact. Additionally, we are asking much more out of two guys who for years have been on the fringe of the rotation, saddled with injuries or both.
Our coach, while not "horrible" or an "embarrassment" as some Scoopers (who are of course absent in the hours and days after an impressive win) like to claim, has not proven to be a consistently above-average game manager. He has good games and bad games, inconsistency that shouldn't be the case in Year 7.
Why can't we do what we did last night every game? Those are some of the answers. Other Scoopers offered a few more, including that it's unrealistic to expect Marquette or any team to consistently shoot 54% overall and 57% from 3, or to expect a good-shooting opponent to go 56% from the line. To beat a top-10 team on the road, you have to play extraordinarily well and maybe get a break or two. And then you have to take advantage of those breaks.
You used the phrase "this kind of effort" in your comment. I think you meant "this kind of performance" ... or at least I hope you did. Because I totally reject the opinions of a few Scoopers who suggested the team hadn't played hard or had quit in either of our losses. I saw absolutely no evidence of either of those indictments. One thing I have been very pleased with this season has been our effort, especially on the defensive end.
Because we play hard, because we have improved significantly on defense and because we have some pretty talented players, we will be in most if not all games. We will win lots of them, we will lose a few.
I'm realistic enough to know that we won't shoot 54% most games, but impressed enough with how the rest of our game is coming along to think we can win plenty of games when we don't shoot very well or when we have too many turnovers.
This team is fun to watch, and I've especially enjoyed the last 11 days.
More fun to come! We Are Marquette!
Quote from: 1SE on December 15, 2020, 05:06:46 AM
Great win - props to Wojo and the guys. What a comeback on the road. Just scratch my head at why we can't put this kind of effort together across a whole season. So many flashes of what we *could* be.
Creighton and Wisconsin aren't physical teams. Marquette could use it's height as an advantage without getting pushed around. UCLA and OSU are much more physical and knocked around MU at times.
Also UCLA and OSU did a good job containing DJ.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 15, 2020, 06:59:00 AM
This plays off your post right above about being thankful for every game we play.
We probably don't play this one with X on pause right now.
Ah, didn't realize they were on pause.
Quote from: StillWarriors on December 15, 2020, 08:41:34 AM
Carton is the single most important factor in success for this team. His ability to not only handle pressure on the ball, but to beat it and score or set up a teammate is outstanding. After seeing a Paint Touches or Cracked Sidewalks stat before the game that 3 of Koby's 4 TOs v. UCLA were in the 6 minutes Carton was out, I watched closely when DJ went out in the first half. Creighton attacked Koby and applied far more pressure on the ball than it had to that point. Koby managed it ok, but was clearly not real comfortable as the primary ballhandler. With DJ around, Koby excels in that secondary spot where he can be on the offensive rather than having the D attack him trying to bring the ball up and initiate offense. As an aside, Koby is so clutch from the line at the end of games. He doesn't seem to hit rim very often.
SG Koby >>>>>>> PG Koby
Quote from: We R Final Four on December 15, 2020, 09:40:46 AM
MU can win games without looking to its burger boy to win it for us. With scoring help from JL, DJ, KM and others, Dawson has a little bit of a luxury in his development process. I think Dawson will be able to finish much better around the rim later in the year. Looking forward to it.
Agree. It is nice to have two kids (Garcia and Carton) who were ranked in the 30's and look to be living up to those rankings, plus another (Lewis) who appears to be outplaying his ranking.
Anyone else find watching games against Creighton more stressful than most? The way they move the ball and have so many guys who are well above average shooters makes it feel to me that there is constant high level stress on the defense. I'm not sure that style is suited for a long tournament run, but it is impressive to watch. As a player, it seems Creighton would be an exhausting team to play against. I was very impressed the way MU finished last night (fouls on 3 pters aside) with a short rotation. I thought fatigue may come into play at some point.
Not feeling 100% and slept for a good part of the game of the last night. The bits I did catch in the second half the boys looked pretty darn good. Nice win and wish I had stayed awake for the whole thing. Big fan of Carton and thought Garcia looked good as well.
Quote from: TSmith34 on December 15, 2020, 10:22:14 AM
SG Koby >>>>>>> PG Koby
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Quote from: StillWarriors on December 15, 2020, 10:38:54 AM
Anyone else find watching games against Creighton more stressful than most? The way they move the ball and have so many guys who are well above average shooters makes it feel to me that there is constant high level stress on the defense. I'm not sure that style is suited for a long tournament run, but it is impressive to watch. As a player, it seems Creighton would be an exhausting team to play against. I was very impressed the way MU finished last night (fouls on 3 pters aside) with a short rotation. I thought fatigue may come into play at some point.
Mrs. 82 and I actually were talking about that last night. At one point, about midway through the first half, I said we both need to chill out a little because every single possession Creighton gives you something to react to. I never feel comfortable with a lead against them, and I worry about falling too far behind them -- more than with most teams.
As an MU fan, I don't "like" Creighton, but when they aren't playing MU, they are fun to watch.
Quote from: StillWarriors on December 15, 2020, 10:38:54 AM
Anyone else find watching games against Creighton more stressful than most? The way they move the ball and have so many guys who are well above average shooters makes it feel to me that there is constant high level stress on the defense. I'm not sure that style is suited for a long tournament run, but it is impressive to watch. As a player, it seems Creighton would be an exhausting team to play against. I was very impressed the way MU finished last night (fouls on 3 pters aside) with a short rotation. I thought fatigue may come into play at some point.
Yes. They are my two least favorite games of the season. They're much more enjoyable when watching or re-watching after knowing the result. Most games I can digest what's happening and have a pretty good feel for the game about 15 minutes in. Against Creighton I have absolutely no idea what is going to happen. They can blow a 15 point lead or come back from a 15 point deficit in a short amount of time.
With about 1 minute remaining in the game, Koby was getting ready to take a free throw. He was staring someone down and talking to them. It almost seemed like he was talking trash to a Creighton player right up until he took the free throw. The camera angle made it look like he was looking at the camera. Did anyone else notice this?
Things were scrappy in the 2nd half, everyone was talking a bit of trash. But there was something noticeable about the way he was doing it.
Quote from: asdfasdf on December 15, 2020, 12:34:16 PM
With about 1 minute remaining in the game, Koby was getting ready to take a free throw. He was staring someone down and talking to them. It almost seemed like he was talking trash to a Creighton player right up until he took the free throw. The camera angle made it look like he was looking at the camera. Did anyone else notice this?
Things were scrappy in the 2nd half, everyone was talking a bit of trash. But there was something noticeable about the way he was doing it.
Definitely noticed that. My guess is a Creighton player was trying to get in his head and Kobe let him know it wasn't happening.
Quote from: BallBoy on December 14, 2020, 11:44:31 PM
Wojo and the team did a great job today but I don't believe the above is a true statement. Our defense was great but I think MU just took better shots and out hustled them.
1. Ballock was 5-8 3pt in the first half and 1 2pt. He was 3-6 in the second. I wouldn't say 2 less shots is shutting someone down.
2. Ballock has a history of disappearing and not shooting the ball. I think he deferred to Mahoney and Zeg.
3. Creighton shot 32 3pt and only 26 2pt. 8 for 18 in the first and 6 for 14 in the second. MU on the other hand took 35 2pt shots and 21 3pt better mix lead to better results.
4. Creighton only had 9 offensive rebounds on 30 missed shots. MU had 14 on 26 Missed shots
Story is really we locked in rebounding and got good shots (and made them)
Ballock was all world in the 1st half. 17 points.
After his 3 with just under 18 minutes in the 2nd half (20 total), he scored 6 points the rest of the way. He is the guy on that team who can kill you, and MU (mostly KM) put the clamps down on him.
MU shooting lights out in the 2nd half very well could have gone for naught had Ballock kept getting the looks he had in the 1st half.
Quote from: asdfasdf on December 15, 2020, 12:34:16 PM
With about 1 minute remaining in the game, Koby was getting ready to take a free throw. He was staring someone down and talking to them. It almost seemed like he was talking trash to a Creighton player right up until he took the free throw. The camera angle made it look like he was looking at the camera. Did anyone else notice this?
Things were scrappy in the 2nd half, everyone was talking a bit of trash. But there was something noticeable about the way he was doing it.
Koby was jawing with Mahoney.
Quote from: Pakuni on December 15, 2020, 12:43:56 PM
Koby was jawing with Mahoney.
I move that Koby new nickname is Jaws.
Quote from: asdfasdf on December 15, 2020, 12:34:16 PM
With about 1 minute remaining in the game, Koby was getting ready to take a free throw. He was staring someone down and talking to them. It almost seemed like he was talking trash to a Creighton player right up until he took the free throw. The camera angle made it look like he was looking at the camera. Did anyone else notice this?
Things were scrappy in the 2nd half, everyone was talking a bit of trash. But there was something noticeable about the way he was doing it.
I posted this in another thread from last night.
I know some on here don't like it,but I love the moxie Koby shows to opposing players. He stared down Mahoney several times at the line tonight, and delivered.
"You won't make either of these"
—Mahoney
"I'll make this one too"
—Koby (after hitting the first, and proceeding to make the second one.)
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 15, 2020, 12:38:24 PM
Definitely noticed that. My guess is a Creighton player was trying to get in his head and Kobe let him know it wasn't happening.
I noticed it too and commented. It was Mahoney. Not sure what he was saying to him, but he was obviously talking to him -- had to lean to the side to talk around the ref. It was at 0:30 if anyone wants to look at it (assuming I'm not the only one who recorded it).
You guys realize this stuff happens every game right?
I love trash-talk. It's fun, and it's been going on for decades and decades. Bird and Miller were two that elevated it to an art form.
I only have 3 caveats:
1. If you talk trash, you'd damn well better back it up. It was great when Markus said, "Time to go home" and hit the FT or what Koby did last night ... but if Markus or Koby misses and we lose, it would be pretty bad.
2. You better not get SO into it that you get a T (or, in football, a taunting penalty) that costs your team. Talk trash but be in control.
3. No trash-talking when your team is hopelessly behind. If you talk trash to me when you're down by 15 with 3 minutes to go, all I'm doing is laughing at you as I point at the scoreboard. Or maybe simply saying, "Scoreboard!"
Quote from: MU82 on December 15, 2020, 01:24:23 PM
1. If you talk trash, you'd damn well better back it up. It was great when Markus said, "Time to go home" and hit the FT or what Koby did last night ... but if Markus or Koby misses and we lose, it would be pretty bad.
This was my favorite trash talk moment. I think the line was "You guys wanna go home? Let's go home."
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 15, 2020, 01:09:20 PM
You guys realize this stuff happens every game right?
Ha, yes. I know it happens every game. It was just the way Koby stared him down while talking trash. There was some deep eye contact going on.
Quote from: MU82 on December 15, 2020, 01:24:23 PM
I love trash-talk. It's fun, and it's been going on for decades and decades. Bird and Miller were two that elevated it to an art form.
I only have 3 caveats:
1. If you talk trash, you'd damn well better back it up. It was great when Markus said, "Time to go home" and hit the FT or what Koby did last night ... but if Markus or Koby misses and we lose, it would be pretty bad.
2. You better not get SO into it that you get a T (or, in football, a taunting penalty) that costs your team. Talk trash but be in control.
3. No trash-talking when your team is hopelessly behind. If you talk trash to me when you're down by 15 with 3 minutes to go, all I'm doing is laughing at you as I point at the scoreboard. Or maybe simply saying, "Scoreboard!"
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Quote from: StillWarriors on December 15, 2020, 10:38:54 AM
Anyone else find watching games against Creighton more stressful than most?
I have been finding it hard to watch any Marquette game this year unless it's been a blowout. It's too anxiety-producing. If they get too far behind, I get upset. If they are ahead and the other team starts catching up, I think I am jinxing them by watching them.
Even though I had access to the game last night, I followed it on my phone until they got ahead by 9 or so in the second half. When the lead was cut in half, I turned it off and watched the Great British Baking Show on Netflix until the last couple of minutes. I turned the game on and was a mess until the final buzzer.
I know. I have a problem. :-[
that was great, the only playoff game I was fortunate enough to get tickets for
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on December 15, 2020, 02:22:45 PM
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Quote from: tower912 on December 14, 2020, 10:10:35 PM
1. How would the narrative of MU basketball been different the last few years if Greg was healthy?
2. Playing 7 against Creighton. Bold move, Cotton.
3. Free throws matta.
4. DJ is the PG we have been waiting for.
5. If you didn't like the defensive effort tonight, turn in your fan card.
6. Creighton's ball movement in the first half was a clinic. MU's defense changed it.
7. Must have practiced the zone offense.
8. Justin bounced back well from UCLA.
9. You knew the Creighton run was coming. They are too good, too experienced, and too at home for it to not tighten up.
10. Only question was whether MU could overcome fouls and fatigue to hold on.
11. Barely. But MU just took down a top 10 team on the road. That makes two of Wojo's best wins in the last 10 days. Mmmm-hmmmm
I got home just MU started to cut it from 12. Good timing!
You missed what I think was the really big factor: interior play. Rebounding on both ends, blocks and altered shots, second and third chance points. MU took advantage of Creighton's lack of size. At one point the announcers commented on the size differential with Theo and Jefferson, CU's power forward. At 6-5 220 he looked tiny next to Theo.
Quote from: warriorchick on December 15, 2020, 02:36:04 PM
I have been finding it hard to watch any Marquette game this year unless it's been a blowout. It's too anxiety-producing. If they get too far behind, I get upset. If they are ahead and the other team starts catching up, I think I am jinxing them by watching them.
Even though I had access to the game last night, I followed it on my phone until they got ahead by 9 or so in the second half. When the lead was cut in half, I turned it off and watched the Great British Baking Show on Netflix until the last couple of minutes. I turned the game on and was a mess until the final buzzer.
I know. I have a problem. :-[
Indeed, this says more about you than about Marquette, Creighton or basketball. But it's not a bad thing, and certainly not unusual. Each of us has stuff that gets us anxious.
Hell, I remember back in the olden days, when there was no texting or email, and we guys had to call girls on the phone to ask them out. I'd spend an hour psyching myself up before making the call, and I'd be sweating like a dockworker as I started the call. On more than one occasion, when the phone would start ringing, I'd hang up because I was too damn nervous.
Seeing how my kids got to set up dates, they were so lucky by comparison. I'd have loved to have been able to text, "U doin anything 2nite?"
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 15, 2020, 03:05:56 PM
I got home just MU started to cut it from 12. Good timing!
You missed what I think was the really big factor: interior play. Rebounding on both ends, blocks and altered shots, second and third chance points. MU took advantage of Creighton's lack of size. At one point the announcers commented on the size differential with Theo and Jefferson, CU's power forward. At 6-5 220 he looked tiny next to Theo.
Marquette dominated the second half glass. Creighton only had 5 second half rebounds. In the Real Chilly discussion last night, I heard we were +15 on the boards in the second half.
Quote from: warriorchick on December 15, 2020, 02:36:04 PM
I have been finding it hard to watch any Marquette game this year unless it's been a blowout. It's too anxiety-producing. If they get too far behind, I get upset. If they are ahead and the other team starts catching up, I think I am jinxing them by watching them.
Even though I had access to the game last night, I followed it on my phone until they got ahead by 9 or so in the second half. When the lead was cut in half, I turned it off and watched the Great British Baking Show on Netflix until the last couple of minutes. I turned the game on and was a mess until the final buzzer.
I know. I have a problem. :-[
Very entertaining response. Amazing what we put ourselves through as fans.
Thus far, I think I have been less stressed watching the games this year generally because 1) I am just glad we have games to watch, and 2) I don't really have expectations as there are so many new guys playing key roles. I think I am less critical and more enjoying the process of learning what the guys bring to the table individually and as a team. I like what I see so far for the most part.
This is probably going to get me in trouble here, but my family's primary viewing last night was the Browns game. It's rare that my entire family will sit and watch something together, so I didn't want to go in the other room when the Marquette game started. I was jumping to the Marquette game on commercials. Based on the timing, sometimes I was thinking, "hey, they're hanging in there..." and other times I was thinking, "crap, Creighton is pulling away." Then, with about 13:00 left to play I jumped to the BB game and saw that Marquette had tied it and they immediately took the lead ("Holy crap...how'd they do that?!"). So, after we returned to the Browns game (mea culpa) I decided no more jumping back and forth and that I'd watch the last 15:00 uninterrupted after MNF ended.
Quote from: warriorchick on December 15, 2020, 02:36:04 PM
I have been finding it hard to watch any Marquette game this year unless it's been a blowout. It's too anxiety-producing. If they get too far behind, I get upset. If they are ahead and the other team starts catching up, I think I am jinxing them by watching them.
Even though I had access to the game last night, I followed it on my phone until they got ahead by 9 or so in the second half. When the lead was cut in half, I turned it off and watched the Great British Baking Show on Netflix until the last couple of minutes. I turned the game on and was a mess until the final buzzer.
I know. I have a problem. :-[
Not the case for me. I used to, but after an "incident" at a bar after the Stanford NCAA tourney game my wife made me promise I would not allow myself to get into games like that anymore. It's taken work but last night we both sat back and enjoyed the game, not getting emotional and discussing observations like CU's dreadful FT shooting, MU's second half three point shooting (7/9) and MU's domination of the interior and glass. Even during the Wisconsin game we both sat drinking beers and only jumped and up and yelled when Lewis had the tap in.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 15, 2020, 03:24:26 PM
Marquette dominated the second half glass. Creighton only had 5 second half rebounds. In the Real Chilly discussion last night, I heard we were +15 on the boards in the second half.
It was 16-13 MU on the glass in the first half. 40-25 was the differential for the game. 13-8 on the offensive glass. And even when CU got an offensive board they were surrounded
During the Deane era, I was watching one of the 3 games on TV per year, the game took a negative turn and I threw an object in my basement and broke another object that was near and dear to my wife's heart. Never again. Now, the worst thing I do during games is pace.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 15, 2020, 01:46:55 PM
This was my favorite trash talk moment. I think the line was "You guys wanna go home? Let's go home."
Where was this, and when, TAMU?
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on December 15, 2020, 04:42:08 PM
Where was this, and when, TAMU?
I remember it was Markus, but which game is a blur.
Quote from: warriorchick on December 15, 2020, 02:36:04 PM
I have been finding it hard to watch any Marquette game this year unless it's been a blowout. It's too anxiety-producing. If they get too far behind, I get upset. If they are ahead and the other team starts catching up, I think I am jinxing them by watching them.
No Chick, it's a Southern Thing! I have the same problem, though I stuck through the second half last night. Had to get up t 5:00 a.m., to drive to Nashville today, but I wasn't going to miss the game!
Quote from: warriorchick on December 15, 2020, 02:36:04 PM
I have been finding it hard to watch any Marquette game this year unless it's been a blowout. It's too anxiety-producing. If they get too far behind, I get upset. If they are ahead and the other team starts catching up, I think I am jinxing them by watching them.
Even though I had access to the game last night, I followed it on my phone until they got ahead by 9 or so in the second half. When the lead was cut in half, I turned it off and watched the Great British Baking Show on Netflix until the last couple of minutes. I turned the game on and was a mess until the final buzzer.
I know. I have a problem. :-[
Now that you confessed, proper sports superstition etiquette requires that you maintain this Viewing posture . Otherwise you risk jinxing the team .
Quote from: tower912 on December 15, 2020, 04:59:38 PM
I remember it was Markus, but which game is a blur.
There is a clip that exists. I remember seeing it. And I believe it was the 2018-2019 season.
Quote from: MU82 on December 15, 2020, 09:52:08 AM
I'm guessing lots of Creighton fans are saying the same thing today. How can the supposed BE POY, a 42% career 3-point shooter, go 0-7, including misses on some wide-open looks? Why can't Ballock be that aggressive all the time? How could they let a lightly regarded bench player swing the momentum of the game in Marquette's favor?
And plenty of Madison fans were saying similar on Dec. 4.
They are 18-22-year-olds. Even when playing relatively well, they are far from perfect. That's even more the case this year, when there was little time together before the season. I'm not just talking about Marquette, I'm talking about everybody.
As for MU ... our 3 best players are a sophomore transfer who has not yet played the equivalent of a full season, a freshman who recently turned 19 and a freshman who won't be 19 until after the season. It's not an excuse, it's a fact. Additionally, we are asking much more out of two guys who for years have been on the fringe of the rotation, saddled with injuries or both.
Our coach, while not "horrible" or an "embarrassment" as some Scoopers (who are of course absent in the hours and days after an impressive win) like to claim, has not proven to be a consistently above-average game manager. He has good games and bad games, inconsistency that shouldn't be the case in Year 7.
Why can't we do what we did last night every game? Those are some of the answers. Other Scoopers offered a few more, including that it's unrealistic to expect Marquette or any team to consistently shoot 54% overall and 57% from 3, or to expect a good-shooting opponent to go 56% from the line. To beat a top-10 team on the road, you have to play extraordinarily well and maybe get a break or two. And then you have to take advantage of those breaks.
You used the phrase "this kind of effort" in your comment. I think you meant "this kind of performance" ... or at least I hope you did. Because I totally reject the opinions of a few Scoopers who suggested the team hadn't played hard or had quit in either of our losses. I saw absolutely no evidence of either of those indictments. One thing I have been very pleased with this season has been our effort, especially on the defensive end.
Because we play hard, because we have improved significantly on defense and because we have some pretty talented players, we will be in most if not all games. We will win lots of them, we will lose a few.
I'm realistic enough to know that we won't shoot 54% most games, but impressed enough with how the rest of our game is coming along to think we can win plenty of games when we don't shoot very well or when we have too many turnovers.
This team is fun to watch, and I've especially enjoyed the last 11 days.
More fun to come! We Are Marquette!
Was meeting the word count on the author or the editor? Because if it was on the editor, sheesh did your editor have a tough job cutting down your articles!
Quote from: tower912 on December 15, 2020, 04:59:38 PM
I remember it was Markus, but which game is a blur.
I believe it was the season finale in 17-18 vs. Creighton.
Quote from: BLM on December 15, 2020, 07:14:23 PM
Was meeting the word count on the author or the editor? Because if it was on the editor, sheesh did your editor have a tough job cutting down your articles!
No gun at your head, my friend. Read what you want, ignore the rest. Or all.
To answer your question, I knew the general word count that was required, and I met the requirements. And I still write professionally, and that's still the case. Thanks for your interest, and I hope these 2 short paragraphs weren't too much for you!
Quote from: MU82 on December 15, 2020, 10:11:43 PM
No gun at your head, my friend. Read what you want, ignore the rest. Or all.
To answer your question, I knew the general word count that was required, and I met the requirements. And I still write professionally, and that's still the case. Thanks for your interest, and I hope these 2 short paragraphs weren't too much for you!
You got a sponsor for your scoop posts?
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 15, 2020, 10:16:32 PM
You got a sponsor for your scoop posts?
Leon's Frozen Custard ... Love our scoops, even if you don't always love your Scoop!
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 15, 2020, 10:16:32 PM
You got a sponsor for your scoop posts?
You haven't been getting your checks in the mail? You should update your address.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 15, 2020, 10:28:20 PM
You haven't been getting your checks in the mail? You should update your address.
The one address I didn't update when I bought my place. Damn
Quote from: BM1090 on December 15, 2020, 09:48:19 PM
I believe it was the season finale in 17-18 vs. Creighton.
You are correct
Quote from: MU82 on December 15, 2020, 10:11:43 PM
No gun at your head, my friend. Read what you want, ignore the rest. Or all.
To answer your question, I knew the general word count that was required, and I met the requirements. And I still write professionally, and that's still the case. Thanks for your interest, and I hope these 2 short paragraphs weren't too much for you!
It was a joke.
Quote from: MU82 on December 15, 2020, 10:18:15 PM
Leon's Frozen Custard ... Love our scoops, even if you don't always love your Scoop!
Just make sure your posts are only in English.
https://www.eater.com/2016/5/19/11717060/leons-frozen-custard-english-only
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 16, 2020, 07:50:31 AM
Just make sure your posts are only in English.
https://www.eater.com/2016/5/19/11717060/leons-frozen-custard-english-only
I know that was 4 years ago, but what a bonehead policy to have.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on December 16, 2020, 08:00:43 AM
I know that was 4 years ago, but what a bonehead policy to have.
Yeah it was later removed, but not before the owner threatened to fight people.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 16, 2020, 08:06:07 AM
Yeah it was later removed, but not before the owner threatened to fight people.
Yep, it was removed after too many people called the Kopp's.
Quote from: Lazar's Headband on December 16, 2020, 08:31:25 AM
Yep, it was removed after too many people called the Kopp's.
Brilliant
Quote from: Lazar's Headband on December 16, 2020, 08:31:25 AM
Yep, it was removed after too many people called the Kopp's.
This is just...wonderful!
Quote from: BLM on December 16, 2020, 06:28:33 AM
It was a joke.
Of course.
Sorry. Not few enough words. I amend to: Yep.
Quote from: Lazar's Headband on December 16, 2020, 08:31:25 AM
Yep, it was removed after too many people called the Kopp's.
I was trying to come up with a pun involving Gilles, but I've got nuthin'.
Quote from: Lazar's Headband on December 16, 2020, 08:31:25 AM
Yep, it was removed after too many people called the Kopp's.
(https://media.tenor.com/images/71061748b4045d474d4af83b38e3819f/tenor.gif)
Quote from: StillAWarrior on December 15, 2020, 01:06:35 PM
I noticed it too and commented. It was Mahoney. Not sure what he was saying to him, but he was obviously talking to him -- had to lean to the side to talk around the ref. It was at 0:30 if anyone wants to look at it (assuming I'm not the only one who recorded it).
I noticed that Mahoney was chirpy all night. He got into it multiple times with Koby, but also with Jamal and (foolishly) Theo.
Quote from: Lazar's Headband on December 16, 2020, 08:31:25 AM
Yep, it was removed after too many people called the Kopp's.
Kopp's >>>> Leon's anyway
Quote from: TSmith34 on December 16, 2020, 10:32:18 AM
I noticed that Mahoney was chirpy all night. He got into it multiple times with Koby, but also with Jamal and (foolishly) Theo.
I think McEwen and Jefferson were going back and forth in the first half too.
Quote from: TSmith34 on December 16, 2020, 10:34:53 AM
Kopp's >>>> Leon's anyway
Incorrect. Leon's butter pecan custard is the perfect food.
Quote from: BLM on December 16, 2020, 10:42:49 AM
Oh god...
What is a nice way to tell him how wrong he is?
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 14, 2020, 10:44:12 PM
Cut him some slack. I'm sure he just had prior obligations and just popped in for a second to rip Wojo.
Hey y'all. Here's the scoop. Time to eat a little humble chit. Truth is I watched the first half and was disgusted at same old, same old. Yeah, figured a 20 point ass kickin' was penciled in the L column. Turned the tube off and went to bed. Pleasantly surprised to learn of a victory when I checked my phone in the morning. Kudos to Woj and crew for a job well done, aina? So, keep on bringin' it, hey?
To be fair, an 8:00 tip is pretty late for a certain, possibly sweatered, portion of the fanbase. I mean, that's like 4 hours after dinner for them, I'd be pretty pooped too.
Quote from: Its DJOver on December 16, 2020, 01:29:59 PM
To be fair, an 8:00 tip is pretty late for a certain, possibly sweatered, portion of the fanbase. I mean, that's like 4 hours after dinner for them, I'd be pretty pooped too.
In his defense, Gail Pudvan showed up and asked (begged) him to come to bed.
Quote from: Its DJOver on December 16, 2020, 01:29:59 PM
To be fair, an 8:00 tip is pretty late for a certain, possibly sweatered, portion of the fanbase. I mean, that's like 4 hours after dinner for them, I'd be pretty pooped too.
How about us AARP Eastern Time Zoners. Yes, I went to bed at half time, but as least taped it(oops, DVR'd it)
Murder, She Wrote and Matlock are over.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 16, 2020, 01:21:49 PM
Hey y'all. Here's the scoop. Time to eat a little humble chit. Truth is I watched the first half and was disgusted at same old, same old. Yeah, figured a 20 point ass kickin' was penciled in the L column. Turned the tube off and went to bed. Pleasantly surprised to learn of a victory when I checked my phone in the morning. Kudos to Woj and crew for a job well done, aina? So, keep on bringin' it, hey?
:o 2020 strikes again
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 16, 2020, 01:21:49 PM
Hey y'all. Here's the scoop. Time to eat a little humble chit. Truth is I watched the first half and was disgusted at same old, same old. Yeah, figured a 20 point ass kickin' was penciled in the L column. Turned the tube off and went to bed. Pleasantly surprised to learn of a victory when I checked my phone in the morning. Kudos to Woj and crew for a job well done, aina? So, keep on bringin' it, hey?
Ya der hey
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on December 16, 2020, 12:50:23 PM
What is a nice way to tell him how wrong he is?
Let's see how much Hards will add to his lead. He wagered...
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 16, 2020, 01:21:49 PM
Hey y'all. Here's the scoop. Time to eat a little humble chit. Truth is I watched the first half and was disgusted at same old, same old. Yeah, figured a 20 point ass kickin' was penciled in the L column. Turned the tube off and went to bed. Pleasantly surprised to learn of a victory when I checked my phone in the morning. Kudos to Woj and crew for a job well done, aina? So, keep on bringin' it, hey?
Agreed. Keep it up Wojo.
Quote from: willie warrior on December 16, 2020, 02:33:17 PM
Agreed. Keep it up Wojo.
:o I was being sarcastic with 4ever but this one makes me seriously think the end of the world's coming
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 16, 2020, 02:34:43 PM
:o I was being sarcastic with 4ever but this one makes me seriously think the end of the world's coming
Slurper
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 16, 2020, 01:21:49 PM
Hey y'all. Here's the scoop. Time to eat a little humble chit. Truth is I watched the first half and was disgusted at same old, same old. Yeah, figured a 20 point ass kickin' was penciled in the L column. Turned the tube off and went to bed. Pleasantly surprised to learn of a victory when I checked my phone in the morning. Kudos to Woj and crew for a job well done, aina? So, keep on bringin' it, hey?
Krapty phans giving up by have time, hey?
Quote from: tower912 on December 16, 2020, 01:39:52 PM
Murder, She Wrote and Matlock are over.
Beverly Hillbillies and Green Acres too!
Quote from: The Lens on December 16, 2020, 01:38:37 PM
In his defense, Gail Pudvan showed up and asked (begged) him to come to bed.
I made a Gail Pudvan joke and nobody laughed. 2020 is the worst.
Quote from: The Lens on December 17, 2020, 08:31:18 AM
I made a Gail Pudvan joke and nobody laughed. 2020 is the worst.
Maybe because it wasn't all that funny. ;)
The Lens
I laughed.
Need to be of a certain age. I get it because I have been hanging around MU message boards so long. But she is about 10 years before my time.
Quote from: tower912 on December 17, 2020, 09:41:18 AM
Need to be of a certain age. I get it because I have been hanging around MU message boards so long. But she is about 10 years before my time.
I really, really hope that Gail's grandchildren attend MU, find Scoop and realize that their Grandma was a heartbreaker.
Quote from: The Lens on December 17, 2020, 10:18:38 AM
I really, really hope that Gail's grandchildren attend MU, find Scoop and realize that their Grandma was a heartbreaker.
Was?
How small of a school was MU back then that people still obsess about the heart breaker cheerleader like it's a small town high school?
I mean I went to MU for 5yrs and I don't remember a single cheerleader's name. In fact I remember meeting one and forgetting her name instantly... which might be a testimony to the lasting effects of boxing more than her but the point remains.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 17, 2020, 10:28:12 AM
How small of a school was MU back then that people still obsess about the heart breaker cheerleader like it's a small town high school?
I mean I went to MU for 5yrs and I don't remember a single cheerleader's name. In fact I remember meeting one and forgetting her name instantly... which might be a testimony to the lasting effects of boxing more than her but the point remains.
Gail was no Kim Marotta.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 17, 2020, 10:28:12 AM
How small of a school was MU back then that people still obsess about the heart breaker cheerleader like it's a small town high school?
I mean I went to MU for 5yrs and I don't remember a single cheerleader's name. In fact I remember meeting one and forgetting her name instantly... which might be a testimony to the lasting effects of boxing more than her but the point remains.
Jen Lada was around during my tenure. She would easily have been forgotten, but she works for ESPN.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 17, 2020, 10:28:12 AM
How small of a school was MU back then that people still obsess about the heart breaker cheerleader like it's a small town high school?
I mean I went to MU for 5yrs and I don't remember a single cheerleader's name. In fact I remember meeting one and forgetting her name instantly... which might be a testimony to the lasting effects of boxing more than her but the point remains.
The term "people", while technically correct, is deceptive in that it makes it sound like there are many, when in fact it is about 4 people of the Sweater Vest & Viagra (tm) crowd.
I socialized with the cheerleaders during my time at MU. Peripherally knew the future Mrs. Marotta. Never got the obsession. Just the underachiever in me, I guess.
Who has better stories about them. Gail Pudvan or Joe Nethen?
Fun fact, if you google Gail Pudvan, the first like 20 or so results are various threads on Scoop....that may be more of a creepy fact than a fun fact
Quote from: The Lens on December 17, 2020, 08:31:18 AM
I made a Gail Pudvan joke and nobody laughed. 2020 is the worst.
I did a knowing chuckle while nodding my head, kind of like this.
(https://beautytalkhomeblog.files.wordpress.com/2020/06/ryan-gosling-laugh.gif?w=500)
Quote from: TSmith34 on December 17, 2020, 10:38:00 AM
The term "people", while technically correct, is deceptive in that it makes it sound like there are many, when in fact it is about 4 people of the Sweater Vest & Viagra (tm) crowd.
I know it's different because I am not sexually attracted to women, but the only female cheerleader name I remember from my time at Marquette is because she was the roommate of one of my closest friends, and also that she is the current director of the Spirit program at Marquette.
Quote from: warriorchick on December 17, 2020, 12:16:53 PM
I know it's different because I am not sexually attracted to women, but the only female cheerleader name I remember from my time at Marquette is because she was the roommate of one of my closest friends, and also that she is the current director of the Spirit program at Marquette.
(https://i.gifer.com/origin/6d/6dcc2b164901e710b8625cf1fc16548d_w200.gif)
Quote from: warriorchick on December 17, 2020, 12:16:53 PM
I know it's different because I am not sexually attracted to women, but the only female cheerleader name I remember from my time at Marquette is because she was the roommate of one of my closest friends, and also that she is the current director of the Spirit program at Marquette.
Wait, Glow is a dude?
Quote from: warriorchick on December 17, 2020, 12:16:53 PM
I know it's different because I am not sexually attracted to women, but the only female cheerleader name I remember from my time at Marquette is because she was the roommate of one of my closest friends, and also that she is the current director of the Spirit program at Marquette.
I heard all "chicks" experiment when they're in college. 8-)
Quote from: The Lens on December 17, 2020, 08:31:18 AM
I made a Gail Pudvan joke and nobody laughed. 2020 is the worst.
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/511aPP43fCL._SY346_.jpg)
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 17, 2020, 10:28:12 AM
How small of a school was MU back then that people still obsess about the heart breaker cheerleader like it's a small town high school?
I mean I went to MU for 5yrs and I don't remember a single cheerleader's name. In fact I remember meeting one and forgetting her name instantly... which might be a testimony to the lasting effects of boxing more than her but the point remains.
So hot! Want to touch the heine, hey?
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 17, 2020, 10:28:12 AM
How small of a school was MU back then that people still obsess about the heart breaker cheerleader like it's a small town high school?
I mean I went to MU for 5yrs and I don't remember a single cheerleader's name. In fact I remember meeting one and forgetting her name instantly... which might be a testimony to the lasting effects of boxing more than her but the point remains.
Galway
I went to MU several years BGP (Before Gail Pudvan) and, like you, don't remember a single cheerleader's name. That's because none of them were all that. Gail Pudvan was pretty, sure, but at Colorado, UCLA, USC, Arizona State she wouldn't have stood out. At MU (where the competition was anything but fierce) she was a goddess.
GP's distinguishin' attribute wer her tatas, plus she has da 'hole Farrah Fawcett hare goin' on. Oh, and she had a nyce smyle and personality, hey?