Need I say more?
He is a stud
Weight room Potter.
I may have literally jumped off my couch and screamed!
Lewis is a beast. Just all around solid.
Oh I did!!!
A dude!
Did Tower faint? Where's his wrap up?
He'll play in the league.
I need to change my pants after seeing that...
Man, I can't even imagine the insanity if fans had been there. Holy $hit, what a moment.
Man, fans or not, that was awesome!!!
Great finish in a great rivalry. I will remember this one. We can tell our grandkids we were there and they won't know any better.
Lewis is just a tough inner city Baltimore kid, who has played against very good high school competition. Very composed and hope he continues the upswing.
Quote from: Jockey on December 04, 2020, 08:08:23 PM
Did Tower faint? Where's his wrap up?
Tower912 is working tonight, no access to FS1.
somone post a replay plz
Quote from: DegenerateDish on December 04, 2020, 08:10:29 PM
Man, I can't even imagine the insanity if fans had been there. Holy $hit, what a moment.
It's up there with Novak's jumper to beat U Conn. Epic!
That was a great performance, and a really good team effort. Even giving Wojo credit for the 180!
Lewis is a dominant player. He's an easy 6'8" or 6'9". Marquette needs to update their player roster heights, like the Badgers do yearly.
nyg
Agreed on Lewis. He is a player and he is tough kid.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on December 04, 2020, 08:06:40 PM
I may have literally jumped off my couch and screamed!
The idea to purchase a single family home was smart given that I ran into the kitchen screaming. You're welcome former neighbors
I mean, that tip was nice and all, but I still think I was happiest when he fouled out Davison ;).
See Micah Potter whining to the refs because a freshman pushed him too hard?
I have feelings and I'm comfortable with that.
Justin is a Warrior!
I let out scream that sent the cat into deep hiding. I might not see her until the spring thaw...
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1335042833988939777?s=20
love from Lavin "super start blossom" talk
Quote from: AZWarrior on December 04, 2020, 08:14:06 PM
It's up there with Novak's jumper to beat U Conn. Epic!
To beat ND.
He had 41 against #2 UCONN in a route in MU's first BE game.
Ow, my vocal cords.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on December 04, 2020, 08:19:28 PM
Ow, my vocal cords.
LOL
I was going to grab a cookie, but just decided to go for ice cream instead.
I am "lit"
Texted my buddy a few minutes into the game that my hot take is Lewis is the best player on the team. Fast-forward 90 minutes and it's not even hard to believe. Wow. 18-8. Smart. Great shot. Resilient on the boards. He's ice cold man.
My wife and kids had to check on me after I screamed. Oh man, that felt good. Justin Lewis, f'n stud.
I love the kid.
Quote from: AZWarrior on December 04, 2020, 08:14:06 PM
It's up there with Novak's jumper to beat U Conn. Epic!
Yep! This is definitely in the same category. That's still my favorite memory at the BC.
I'm trying to think of our last buzzer beater. Anyone? Hauser v. Creighton but that was to force OT; not to win.
Do we retire #5 before the next game or do we wait until the season's over?
If the best thing about freshmen is that they become sophomores, I can't wait to see what we get from Lewis in the next few years. I know Carton and Garcia were getting some attention for Big East newcomer of year, but at this pace, you've got to think Lewis will have his name in the conversation now.
Quote from: lostpassword on December 04, 2020, 08:26:17 PM
I'm trying to think of our last buzzer beater. Anyone? Hauser v. Creighton but that was to force OT; not to win.
Best ever was Jerome Whitehead vs UNCC.
Best regular season was Doc Rivers vs ND.
Oops - I misread your post to say our 'best' buzzer-beater. Oh, well.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 04, 2020, 08:27:53 PM
Do we retire #5 before the next game or do we wait until the season's over?
Greg had a few nice moments, but I think #2 is more likely.
In the absence of Tower's postgame I'll put thoughts here. That was a great game start to finish. I thought the defense shined most of all. Lewis played like the best player on the floor for nearly the entire half.
Wojo did not take timeouts at the end of the game and it worked out. I would've called the timeout, but I can't criticize when it works out. Great win, and I hope for more of the same. We have seen signature wins during the Wojo era which have led to nothing. Let's we if it's different this time.
Also, not to diminish the win, but how in the hell was Wisconsin in the Top 5???
See, we do care! Apathy has not set in. Enjoy this game and the rest of the season.
Quote from: Goose on December 04, 2020, 08:06:04 PM
He is a stud
He is a stud Goose. I had multiple bourbons based on your lead tonight!
Quote from: BLM on December 04, 2020, 08:18:57 PM
To beat ND.
He had 41 against #2 UCONN in a route in MU's first BE game.
You're right. I'm getting old. Two excellent moments, though. And this makes a splendid addition.
What a stat line: 18/8/2 in only 26 minutes. Against a senior-laden front line.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 04, 2020, 08:27:53 PM
Do we retire #5 before the next game or do we wait until the season's over?
For Junior Cadoughan? Because I'm pretty sure Lewis is #2
They should recruit Baltimore more. This kid is a keeper!
Quote from: skianth16 on December 04, 2020, 08:25:21 PM
Yep! This is definitely in the same category. That's still my favorite memory at the BC.
Again. Are we thinking Notre Dame? He hit a buzzer beater to beat ND, no? He went off against UCONN, but we won that game going away.
Quote from: BLM on December 04, 2020, 08:45:40 PM
Again. Are we thinking Notre Dame? He hit a buzzer beater to beat ND, no? He went off against UCONN, but we won that game going away.
Here's the ND win
https://youtu.be/B6jVDdqVML4
FAN FAVORITE
Predicted it before the season, and how could I be wrong now
Quote from: JakeBarnes on December 04, 2020, 08:16:20 PM
The idea to purchase a single family home was smart given that I ran into the kitchen screaming. You're welcome former neighbors
Totally surprised my condo neighbors didn't call the cops to report my screams. Especially since it is warm enough here to have the windows open.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 04, 2020, 08:47:37 PM
Here's the ND win
https://youtu.be/B6jVDdqVML4
That is the loudest I've ever heard it at an MU game. Love Ous's reaction.
Quote from: warriorchick on December 04, 2020, 08:49:21 PM
Totally surprised my condo neighbors didn't call the cops to report my screams. Especially since it is warm enough here to have the windows open.
lol - my daughter said the same thing to me right after the win...except for the warm part.
Blue at St. John's in '13?
Quote from: Eye on December 04, 2020, 08:56:02 PM
Blue at St. John's in '13?
And then Davidson a few days later.
Wasn't there time left on the clock after Blue made the shot against Davidson? Interestingly I'm recalling 9/10s of a second ...
Sam's three at the end of regulation at Creighton. I know that just tied it...
Quote from: Eye on December 04, 2020, 09:00:55 PM
Wasn't there time left on the clock after Blue made the shot against Davidson? Interestingly I'm recalling 9/10s of a second ...
Yes.
Absolutely love seeing Potter try to tell the ref he was fouled on the tip in after he sees it go in too.... Badgers gonna Badger lol
Quote from: DegenerateDish on December 04, 2020, 08:06:40 PM
I may have literally jumped off my couch and screamed!
I did that exactly.
He is a rebounding machine. I cant believe he out-muscled (Reuvers?) for the tip in.
His block on Potter was impressive
Justin Lewis is a bad bad man.
I screamed and somehow didn't wake my sleeping 10 month old
Quote from: T.V. Diener 34 on December 04, 2020, 09:02:33 PM
Absolutely love seeing Potter try to tell the ref he was fouled on the tip in after he sees it go in too.... Badgers gonna Badger lol
At least Trice readily took the blame for the foul.
2004. Louisville.
Freshman Dameon Mason, who was standing all by himself in the left corner. Scott Merritt found Mason, who drilled the baseline jumper, as the buzzer sounded. Fouled on the play. Put like 0.7 back on the clock. Made the free throw on Senior Day. I believe it was 81-80.
CBS game with Kevin Harlin and Dan Bonner. I keep the VCR, cause I taped the game. I can't believe it's not on youtube.
Just watched replays of both. 0 left when Blue hit shot against SJU in '13. 1 second left after shot against Davidson.
Forever folk hero. Easy kid to root for
I'm surprised there aren't more comparisons to Dennis Rodman for Lewis. High motor, excellent rebounder, great future. Man, I like this kid!
Eye
Couple of good calls on Vander. Both big shots in very big games.
Quote from: ProjoSlim on December 04, 2020, 09:47:37 PM
I'm surprised there aren't more comparisons to Dennis Rodman for Lewis. High motor, excellent rebounder, great future. Man, I like this kid!
Don't remember Rodman sinking many (any?) three pointers, or really having any offensive game at all beyond putbacks.
Also, Justin doesn't seem mentally unbalanced.
Thanks Goose. Gotta work in less than 8 hours, but following your lead, going to enjoy a beverage or maybe more than 1 beverage each of the next 2 nights.
Eye
Celebrate the big wins!
Quote from: ProjoSlim on December 04, 2020, 09:47:37 PM
I'm surprised there aren't more comparisons to Dennis Rodman for Lewis. High motor, excellent rebounder, great future. Man, I like this kid!
I'm hoping mid season Justin doesn't go MIA on a bender in Vegas
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on December 04, 2020, 09:39:23 PM
2004. Louisville.
Freshman Dameon Mason, who was standing all by himself in the left corner. Scott Merritt found Mason, who drilled the baseline jumper, as the buzzer sounded. Fouled on the play. Put like 0.7 back on the clock. Made the free throw on Senior Day. I believe it was 81-80.
CBS game with Kevin Harlin and Dan Bonner. I keep the VCR, cause I taped the game. I can't believe it's not on youtube.
I would love to borrow that tape!
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 04, 2020, 08:17:38 PM
I have feelings and I'm comfortable with that.
After he blocked Potter's shot, I said to my wife: "I definitely have a man-crush on Justin Lewis."
I was standing in our family room as DJ shot the FTs. After Justin's tip settled into the basket, I jumped up, screamed, landed on the floor and did a somersault. I am too effen old for this; will be sore in the morning.
Best late MU shot I saw in person: Rivers' heave to beat ND.
That's my all-time fave Marquette shot because I was there and because I hate ND, but like anybody else, I know that Whitehead's shot was the biggest in Marquette history.
As others have noted, Vander's against Davidson wasn't technically a buzzer-beater because there was still time on the clock, but if that doesn't go in we lose a first-round NCAA game to a 14-seed, so by definition it was huger than huge. His winner against St. John's for our only Big East title was right there.
Junior's long 3-pointer to tie against UConn in our 2013 BEast opener (and our subsequent OT win) set the tone for our entire conference championship season.
Hauser's shot at Creighton that sent us into OT ... sensational, obviously.
Novak vs. ND, as others pointed out. Wasn't a "walk-off" but was spectacular.
And of course this one by Justin, against evil Madison.
My Final Four:
1. Whitehead ... 2. Vander (v Davidson) ... 3. Rivers ... 4. Justin.
Quote from: YoungMUFan4 on December 04, 2020, 10:01:39 PM
I would love to borrow that tape!
Pretty sure it'd be on YouTube then ;)
Quote from: MU82 on December 04, 2020, 10:21:22 PM
After he blocked Potter's shot, I said to my wife: "I definitely have a man-crush on Justin Lewis."
I was standing in our family room as DJ shot the FTs. After Justin's tip settled into the basket, I jumped up, screamed, landed on the floor and did a somersault. I am too effen old for this; will be sore in the morning.
Best late MU shot I saw in person: Rivers' heave to beat ND.
That's my all-time fave Marquette shot because I was there and because I hate ND, but like anybody else, I know that Whitehead's shot was the biggest in Marquette history.
As others have noted, Vander's against Davidson wasn't technically a buzzer-beater because there was still time on the clock, but if that doesn't go in we lose a first-round NCAA game to a 14-seed, so by definition it was huger than huge. His winner against St. John's for our only Big East title was right there.
Junior's long 3-pointer to tie against UConn in our 2013 BEast opener (and our subsequent OT win) set the tone for our entire conference championship season.
Hauser's shot at Creighton that sent us into OT ... sensational, obviously.
Novak vs. ND, as others pointed out. Wasn't a "walk-off" but was spectacular.
And of course this one by Justin, against evil Madison.
My Final Four:
1. Whitehead ... 2. Vander (v Davidson) ... 3. Rivers ... 4. Justin.
You might be an "old man", but wise beyond your years. Thanks for the walk down memory lane, and it's nice to see that us "younger" folk have gotten to see some good memories that are included in your list.
We can all only wish that 40-50 years from now we are talking about seeing D Wade live in Minneapolis.
Incredible poise and skill well beyond his years. Koby got credit after the OSU game for being our best player but no one impressed me more than JL. Tonight was obviously next level. Wow. I have a serious man crush.
82
Lucas against Badgers is my favorite regular season game winner, followed by Doc. Novak and Vander are very memorable as well. Tonight will be one I will remember for a long time.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on December 04, 2020, 08:23:31 PM
My wife and kids had to check on me after I screamed. Oh man, that felt good. Justin Lewis, f'n stud.
Mine too. They thought I had major injuries from the scream i let out!
Quote from: Goose on December 04, 2020, 10:38:19 PM
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Lucas against Badgers is my favorite regular season game winner, followed by Doc. Novak and Vander are very memorable as well. Tonight will be one I will remember for a long time.
Good addition, Goose. Was a little before my time before I became a Marquette fan, but obviously huge.
Quote from: Goose on December 04, 2020, 10:38:19 PM
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Lucas against Badgers is my favorite regular season game winner, followed by Doc. Novak and Vander are very memorable as well. Tonight will be one I will remember for a long time.
See, Goose. We can agree. Lucas' shot is my all-time fave, too.
Dominic James Buzzer beater against valpo, not as historically significant, but maybe the best YouTube reel. The stadium deflated before your eyes...
Quote from: PJDunn on December 04, 2020, 10:52:36 PM
Dominic James Buzzer beater against valpo, not as historically significant, but maybe the best YouTube reel. The stadium deflated before your eyes...
Pretty awesome
https://youtu.be/TeiMnw05mDA
Quote from: PJDunn on December 04, 2020, 10:52:36 PM
Dominic James Buzzer beater against valpo, not as historically significant, but maybe the best YouTube reel. The stadium deflated before your eyes...
PJ Dunn you have been heard and noted. Solid YouTube clip when it was in its infancy, and Dominic could jump out the gym, but cmon dawg
Quote from: warriorchick on December 04, 2020, 08:49:21 PM
Totally surprised my condo neighbors didn't call the cops to report my screams. Especially since it is warm enough here to have the windows open.
There are 3 bucky flags flying within a 3 house radius. I took the high road and didn't run outside to cheer ;D
2020 has obviously sucked big time, but this was one of the highlights for me at least. MU winning always ranks #1 for me in my sports fan hierarchy, and this was a great basketball game. To win this game the way MU did, against their biggest rival, this is awesome. It was great to feel that type of adrenaline high again.
Not saying the game would've played out exactly the same if there'd been fans, but man, if it had...that Lewis tip in would've been up there with the loudest moments in MU home court history. Even sweeter because we would've been able to see the looks of agony on Badger fans' faces.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on December 04, 2020, 11:19:37 PM
2020 has obviously sucked big time, but this was one of the highlights for me at least. MU winning always ranks #1 for me in my sports fan hierarchy, and this was a great basketball game. To win this game the way MU did, against their biggest rival, this is awesome. It was great to feel that type of adrenaline high again.
+1000
Quote from: PJDunn on December 04, 2020, 10:52:36 PM
Dominic James Buzzer beater against valpo, not as historically significant, but maybe the best YouTube reel. The stadium deflated before your eyes...
Didn't Dominic hit a buzzer beater against NC State once too?
Lewis is playing like a man amongst boys at this point in the year. I hope he keeps it up, and several others of his teammates join him along the way.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on December 04, 2020, 11:19:37 PM
2020 has obviously sucked big time, but this was one of the highlights for me at least. MU winning always ranks #1 for me in my sports fan hierarchy, and this was a great basketball game. To win this game the way MU did, against their biggest rival, this is awesome. It was great to feel that type of adrenaline high again.
Hell yeah. When Justin won it, my wife and I went nuts, and my 2 year old ran around the room yelling "YES!!" What a super fun moment.
Quote from: MUfan12 on December 04, 2020, 11:41:47 PM
Hell yeah. When Justin won it, my wife and I went nuts, and my 2 year old ran around the room yelling "YES!!" What a super fun moment.
Love this. Break 'em in young!
I remarked to my Fiancé tonight that Lewis seems to me what Lazar would've been if he was 2-3 inches taller. (Trailer 3 tbd) Thoughts?
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 05, 2020, 12:02:01 AM
I remarked to my Fiancé tonight that Lewis seems to me what Lazar would've been if he was 2-3 inches taller. (Trailer 3 tbd) Thoughts?
Lazar was a pretty darn good 4 year starter. The phrase "what Lazar would've been" sounds like you think JL2 is already better? I think Lewis is stronger and plays bigger than Lazar, more ala JFB with his work around the bucket. However, I think Lazar is the better shooter, midrange, long range, and creating his own. If JL2 matches that HES heading to the NBA
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 05, 2020, 12:02:01 AM
I remarked to my Fiancé tonight that Lewis seems to me what Lazar would've been if he was 2-3 inches taller. (Trailer 3 tbd) Thoughts?
I think you're on to something.
Slight nitpick...I know the announcers aren't in the building, but Steve Lavin should have let that moment breathe a little bit on the call at the end of the game. Between the popcorn comment and then immediately talking after the tip in, it's the only thing that ever so slightly bugs me (having re-watched the clip an unscientific 7,389 times already).
Quote from: DoctorV on December 05, 2020, 12:06:29 AM
Lazar was a pretty darn good 4 year starter. The phrase "what Lazar would've been" sounds like you think JL2 is already better? I think Lewis is stronger and plays bigger than Lazar, more ala JFB with his work around the bucket. However, I think Lazar is the better shooter, midrange, long range, and creating his own. If JL2 matches that HES heading to the NBA
I think Lewis has served as a slightly les undersized center and power forward. But so far shown a remarkable rebound, and block ability. Lazar wasn't called to score much his freshman year Lewis will be so that's a tough comparison, but I have major blue and gold colored glasses for Lazar as my favorite or second favorite MU player in my 11yrs and I stand by my prediction.
Lewis Like Lucas Buzzer Beats Wisconsin Go Marquette
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 05, 2020, 12:29:56 AM
I think Lewis has served as a slightly les undersized center and power forward. But so far shown a remarkable rebound, and block ability. Lazar wasn't called to score much his freshman year Lewis will be so that's a tough comparison, but I have major blue and gold colored glasses for Lazar as my favorite or second favorite MU player in my 11yrs and I stand by my prediction.
To be fair I've attacked a bottle of Teeling and a growler of Alulu hazy tonight but I still think I'm right.
Edit: don't remember posting this
JFL has the most upside of any player in our program since JFB
JFL can so many things well, has a Big East body and plays smart and with passion.
The reason I think his ceiling is so huge is that he will keep improving with experience . The foundation and fundamentals are strong. The kid values winning.
jockey
We do agree on MU ball a fair amount, I will admit that.
Galway
IMO Lewis has some traits of one my all time favorite Warriors, David Boone. Lewis looks to be far better offensively (range) and a better athlete, but some similar traits to Boone
I have to say that he also reminds me of two "old" time players, Robert Parrish and Sam Perkins. The comparison here is completely based off how stoic the kid is. It is very refreshing to see his on court demeanor.
You could see Lewis was going to be good from all of the minutes he had in earlier games. That said, you just don't expect a freshman to have the strength, intelligence and confidence to play as he did against a very good Senior laden Wisconsin front line. Lewis was used to winning big games in high school. It is clear he intends to make sure the winning continues. Love this kid!
Also, please give WOJO some credit. His management of substitutions allowed us to maintain wall-to-wall defensive intensity. We actually managed to get a very well coached Wisconsin team to play out of character.
I was struck by his poise. It was a late basket that he had that got me really excited. Noticed he had a mismatch and took his guy to the post and called for the ball. There he calmly backed him down and put in a short shot. Seemed way more mature than a Freshman.
ETA: Looks like BLM had this thought awhile ago in the Road Kill thread.
Look, can we all agree Lewis did not actually tip the ball in? He glared at it, snarled, growled "get in" and then pointed at the basket in mid air. That is the way my scotch and I will remember it anyway.
Quote from: Goose on December 05, 2020, 07:33:04 AM
jockey
We do agree on MU ball a fair amount, I will admit that.
Galway
IMO Lewis has some traits of one my all time favorite Warriors, David Boone. Lewis looks to be far better offensively (range) and a better athlete, but some similar traits to Boone
I have to say that he also reminds me of two "old" time players, Robert Parrish and Sam Perkins. The comparison here is completely based off how stoic the kid is. It is very refreshing to see his on court demeanor.
I loved David Boone's game! He had such great body awareness and positioning that he was a beast inside as well as a good mid range and even long range game. I always thought if he were blessed with just a bit more height, he would have had a great NBA career. I think he was only 6-5 but played like he was 6-9. I may be a bit off on the specifics.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on December 05, 2020, 12:23:09 AM
Slight nitpick...I know the announcers aren't in the building, but Steve Lavin should have let that moment breathe a little bit on the call at the end of the game. Between the popcorn comment and then immediately talking after the tip in, it's the only thing that ever so slightly bugs me (having re-watched the clip an unscientific 7,389 times already).
Yep. Lavin knows the game, but he doesn't know when to stop talking.
And why haven't you hit 5 figures on your clip reviews yet?!?
Quote from: Goose on December 05, 2020, 07:33:04 AM
jockey
We do agree on MU ball a fair amount, I will admit that.
Galway
IMO Lewis has some traits of one my all time favorite Warriors, David Boone. Lewis looks to be far better offensively (range) and a better athlete, but some similar traits to Boone
I have to say that he also reminds me of two "old" time players, Robert Parrish and Sam Perkins. The comparison here is completely based off how stoic the kid is. It is very refreshing to see his on court demeanor.
Lewis can obviously hit 3s. But he will be the best low post player MU has had since ???
Quote from: Jockey on December 05, 2020, 11:51:04 AM
Lewis can obviously hit 3s. But he will be the best low post player MU has had since ???
Davante.
As time goes on, Lewis can be an interesting study in recruiting rankings.
Might he end up being better than Garcia? How many top 10-20 players might he end up being better than? A few? Several? None? We don't know, but we do know that players are "mis-ranked" all the time.
Is there any objective observer who watched last night's game and didn't come away thinking that Lewis already is a better all-around player, and much better prospect, than any Madison big?
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 05, 2020, 12:01:29 PM
Davante.
Great answer. I forgot about him and was thinking further back.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 05, 2020, 12:01:29 PM
Davante.
Perhaps. We'll see. As a basketball player, freshman Justin appears to be miles ahead of freshman Davante.
Quote from: Da 'Lanche on December 05, 2020, 10:03:11 AM
I loved David Boone's game! He had such great body awareness and positioning that he was a beast inside as well as a good mid range and even long range game. I always thought if he were blessed with just a bit more height, he would have had a great NBA career. I think he was only 6-5 but played like he was 6-9. I may be a bit off on the specifics.
Yeah, he was 6'5". Your description is good though he had no long range game. A beast on the boards.
Quote from: MU82 on December 05, 2020, 12:13:52 PM
Perhaps. We'll see. As a basketball player, freshman Justin appears to be miles ahead of freshman Davante.
I think Lewis will clearly be a better player than Davante.
My question was only about being a low post scoring skills. Kind of a lost art. Coaches want bigs now who can hit the outside shot. Many don't ever develop a low post game. Lewis appears to have both.
Quote from: MU82 on December 05, 2020, 12:06:43 PM
As time goes on, Lewis can be an interesting study in recruiting rankings.
Might he end up being better than Garcia? How many top 10-20 players might he end up being better than? A few? Several? None? We don't know, but we do know that players are "mis-ranked" all the time.
Is there any objective observer who watched last night's game and didn't come away thinking that Lewis already is a better all-around player, and much better prospect, than any Madison big?
JFL's recruiting ranking may have played a big role in our win last night. As he was draining threes and making good post moves, grabbing boards, and blocking shots, the Wisconsin coaching staff was probably wondering what the hell was going on. There's not much film on him yet and unlike Carton and Garcia, I doubt he was a big part of UW's scouting report on us. This game was his coming out party, and an increased focus on stopping him may help Garcia get going offensively.
Quote from: MU82 on December 05, 2020, 12:13:52 PM
Perhaps. We'll see. As a basketball player, freshman Justin appears to be miles ahead of freshman Davante.
I mean, Davante was also 300lbs and couldn't jump over a ream of paper.
Always had tremendous footwork though.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on December 05, 2020, 01:44:09 PM
JFL's recruiting ranking may have played a big role in our win last night. As he was draining threes and making good post moves, grabbing boards, and blocking shots, the Wisconsin coaching staff was probably wondering what the hell was going on. There's not much film on him yet and unlike Carton and Garcia, I doubt he was a big part of UW's scouting report on us. This game was his coming out party, and an increased focus on stopping him may help Garcia get going offensively.
Second straight opponent to do a good job on Garcia, but DJ did whatever he wanted. Only one who stopped him was DJ. Trice sure as hell didn't.
Justin showed a pretty good amount of what he could do our first 3 games. If Gard ignored that ... shame on him and good for us!
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 05, 2020, 01:53:59 PM
I mean, Davante was also 300lbs and couldn't jump over a ream of paper.
Always had tremendous footwork though.
True dat!
Let us hope that Lewis doesn't end up next to Haanif on the trophy wall of scoop freshman hysteria.
Like Davante, Justin also seems to have an uncanny knack to be where the ball is.
Side question: Does a different MU frosh win BE frosh of the week this week?
IMO, the blocked shot and then followed up by the rebound showed what the kid is made of. Has a knack for the ball, an athlete and a basketball player. A lot to be excited about in regards to him, Garcia and Carton.
Quote from: tower912 on December 05, 2020, 02:01:03 PM
Let us hope that Lewis doesn't end up next to Haanif on the trophy wall of scoop freshman hysteria.
I never thought Haanif had a ton of upside. He was a 6'5 slasher who couldn't shoot from the outside consistently and had zero right hand, which was his biggest detriment. Lewis is a big man with a good looking shot who also seems like he enjoys doing the dirty work. And, unlike some big men who can shoot the 3, he's not in love with it. What I'm saying is, he looks like he'll be very coachable.
Agree with your point, though.
I am a fan of JFL. But we have already seen opposing coaches plan for and make adjustments for Garcia. Lewis is now moving up the scouting report. He has shown great promise and I am impressed. But now it is adjustment and counter adjustment time.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on December 05, 2020, 02:20:28 PM
I never thought Haanif had a ton of upside. He was a 6'5 slasher who couldn't shoot from the outside consistently and had zero right hand, which was his biggest detriment. Lewis is a big man with a good looking shot who also seems like he enjoys doing the dirty work. And, unlike some big men who can shoot the 3, he's not in love with it. What I'm saying is, he looks like he'll be very coachable.
Agree with your point, though.
I also believe the bulk of Haanif's success came against buy game competition.
Haani had incredible potential and had he stuck around, was the kind of player that could have helped stop the 18-19 end of season slide (he would have been a SR.). Was primarily a slasher but made 38% of his three's his Freshman year on over 2 attempts per game (so lack of outside shot is a myth). Also averaged more ppg in conference than for the season (12.3 to 11.8) so only performed against lower competition is also a myth. The problem was that he wasn't a great defender (never posted a Drtg below 103, and that was at FGCU against lower competition), and he failed to develop his right hand. He would have been a solid 4 year player had he stuck around. Think Lewis' ceiling is higher, but agree that it is far to early to be anointing him anything yet.
Quote from: cheebs09 on December 05, 2020, 02:27:24 PM
I also believe the bulk of Haanif's success came against buy game competition.
Yes and no. As a frosh, his numbers actually went up slightly in the BE. His overall scoring average was 11.8 ppg, but he averaged 12.3 ppg in conference. There was also a very slight uptick in his rebounding. As a sophomore, his numbers went down as the season progressed into the BE.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/haanif-cheatham-1.html
He reminds me of Maurice Lucas. I thought this before he hit the last second shot to beat UW. Wojo should of danced on the scorers table like Al did.
I was a freshmen when Lucas was a freshmen.
bilsu
He has a way to go match Luke, but I think some similarities can be seen. Physical presence and demeanor have similar looks. Lets hope he has as much success as Luke, both at MU and beyond.
I'm not ready to mention Lewis in the same breath as Lucas just yet.
Maybe a slightly better version of Damon Key at this point, with potential to be even better.
Quote from: Jockey on December 05, 2020, 03:24:51 PM
I'm not ready to mention Lewis in the same breath as Lucas just yet.
Maybe a slightly better version of Damon Key at this point, with potential to be even better.
Agreed. And if he does end up somewhere between Key and Lucas, we will have
a lot of fun watching him develop.
I think people are underestimating the amount of preparation that is put into game plans and scouting reports. Trust me, Justin Lewis's skillset was well known by the Badgers, coaching staff and players alike. He was not some footnote on the scouting report. They didn't just ignore him because he was "only" ranked in the bottom half of the top 100.
Xavier Tillman. With a better jump shot.
Quote from: BLM on December 05, 2020, 03:58:38 PM
I think people are underestimating the amount of preparation that is put into game plans and scouting reports. Trust me, Justin Lewis's skillset was well known by the Badgers, coaching staff and players alike. He was not some footnote on the scouting report. They didn't just ignore him because he was "only" ranked in the bottom half of the top 100.
Totally agree. Maybe if Lewis had played only 2 minutes in the first 3 games and surprised them, it would be one thing. But he played 15, 20 and 22 minutes, with his PT increasing every game. 10-8 in 20 min vs EIU and 6-13 in 22 min vs OSU. Gard had a book on him to be sure. But yes, future opponents have an even bigger book on him now!
Quote from: tower912 on December 05, 2020, 04:07:16 PM
Xavier Tillman. With a better jump shot.
Like Tillman as a junior, though.
X did little as a freshman.
Tillman as a junior was B1G defensive player of the year. Like all young MSU players, he had to earn his time as a freshman.
Lewis' performance will do wonders for Garcia.
Quote from: real chili 83 on December 05, 2020, 04:58:41 PM
Lewis' performance will do wonders for Garcia.
Yep. Lots of guys for the D to watch....
Real
Good call. Having them on the court together will benefit both of the guys. Hope you enjoyed last night!!
Quote from: Goose on December 05, 2020, 03:02:53 PM
bilsu
He has a way to go match Luke, but I think some similarities can be seen. Physical presence and demeanor have similar looks. Lets hope he has as much success as Luke, both at MU and beyond.
Luke was a beast. Way too early for that comparison.
79Warrior
#20 was a beast and one of the all time best. I agree that Lewis has a long way to go to be in that conversation. Luke was great at MU and even a better pro.
Quote from: tower912 on December 05, 2020, 02:26:10 PM
I am a fan of JFL. But we have already seen opposing coaches plan for and make adjustments for Garcia. Lewis is now moving up the scouting report. He has shown great promise and I am impressed. But now it is adjustment and counter adjustment time.
One of the reasons I am bullish on JFL is he is fundamentally strong in many different aspects of the game . Because he is a multi dimensional player With a great body , he can fit into what ever role is needed for the team to win. The kid has a great heart and wonderful team ethic which shows in the court . Add in Very coachable and high IQ player. It all points to a lot of promise and upside for this young man .
Quote from: 79Warrior on December 05, 2020, 07:23:58 PM
Luke was a beast. Way too early for that comparison.
In his day he was. As I remember it Lucas weighed 220lbs and in his day that was big for 6'8" player. Lewis is listed as weighing 235 lbs., which is not big in todays game. Lewis is bigger, but he does not look as big as Lucas did, because the game has changed with weight training.
They are similar in size and athleticism. Lucas looked meaner. We also watched Lucas play as a sophomore and junior. Lucas's freshmen year was the last year freshmen were not eligible.
Would have loved to see big Mo play. Must have been a treat.
He was a stud in the ABA and NBA. That 76-77 Trail Blazers team, with Lucas and Walton in the front court at the top of their games, was pretty special.
Quote from: MU82 on December 05, 2020, 10:27:30 PM
He was a stud in the ABA and NBA. That 76-77 Trail Blazers team, with Lucas and Walton in the front court at the top of their games, was pretty special.
Luke in his prime and Walton before his knees finally gave out. That was quite a frontline!
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 05, 2020, 10:25:50 PM
Would have loved to see big Mo play. Must have been a treat.
Actually similar to Justin's game - only he was a better player.
He played out high and hit a lot of junpers from the top of the circle. He also never looked rushed or panicked, which is another attribute of Lewis.
He also played on my fave frontcourt ever for MU with Bo Ellis and Earl Tatum.
Jockey
Bo, Luke and Tatum is why we talk about the past on here. Three all time greats.
Let Justin Lewis be Justin Lewis and carve his own history at Marquette instead of shoehorning him into a past player
+ 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
Quote from: tower912 on December 05, 2020, 02:26:10 PM
I am a fan of JFL. But we have already seen opposing coaches plan for and make adjustments for Garcia. Lewis is now moving up the scouting report. He has shown great promise and I am impressed. But now it is adjustment and counter adjustment time.
Absolutely, and those defensive adjustments will create opportunities for others to take advantage of. I suspect we will see the benefits of more balanced usage than we had the past couple years as the season progresses.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 06, 2020, 08:32:01 AM
Let Justin Lewis be Justin Lewis and carve his own history at Marquette instead of shoehorning him into a past player
Hey, Rico. Let us old guys reminisce about the past. We have nothing else to fill the time in our lives. ;)