Shooting, reportedly a "mass shooting." A lot of sirens going on.
Avoid the area
Confirmed TMJ4 and Twitter
What the fook is wrong with people?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 20, 2020, 03:33:07 PM
What the fook is wrong with people?
Where does one start with that question?
Maybe here: https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2020/11/20/kyle-rittenhouse-released-2-million-bail/6362918002/
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on November 20, 2020, 03:52:11 PM
Where does one start with that question?
Maybe here: https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2020/11/20/kyle-rittenhouse-released-2-million-bail/6362918002/
Don't mess with a white hero!
Kamala Harris is a "monster," but this kid is a great patriot.
Quote from: MU82 on November 20, 2020, 03:56:22 PM
Don't mess with a white hero!
Kamala Harris is a "monster," but this kid is a great patriot.
People donated money to get him out. WTF???
My folks live a few minutes away. Scary stuff.
Glad we can turn everything political in an instant ::)
Seems like no fatalities but scaring situations nonetheless. Really sad the lifecycle of malls in the Milwaukee area over the years. Northridge, then Mayfair, and Bayshore in that direction.
Victims in the trauma bay at Froedtert. 7 there and 1 at Children's. Fortunately, all seem to be extremity wounds.
Prayers for all. Haven't done this for a while.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on November 20, 2020, 03:58:58 PM
People donated money to get him out. WTF???
You need to check out what is going on with far right media. They are openly fomenting revolt in this country.
I had numerous people on Scoop laugh and make fun of me 2 years ago when I said trump wasn't leaving when he lost. Things are going to get worse.
Good to hear that none of the injuries appear to be life-threatening. Sucks that people do this so often.
Very little doubt he's a patriot, Twitter is saying he called his shot about this on Parler, the radical right Twitter.
So you guys are implying/suggesting that rittenhouse posted bail, drove from Kenosha to Tosa, went to Macy's to buy a suit, and then shot 10 people?
Quote from: tower912 on November 20, 2020, 04:51:17 PM
Prayers for all. Haven't done this for a while.
Don't forget about thoughts, tower.
Seriously, we all obviously are glad and relieved to hear that the injuries do not appear to be life-threatening. What a sad state of affairs for our country, though.
Quote from: Retire0 on November 20, 2020, 05:26:57 PM
Very little doubt he's a patriot, Twitter is saying he called his shot about this on Parler, the radical right Twitter.
Insecure men, radicalized and armed with big guns to compensate for their shortcomings.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on November 20, 2020, 05:59:28 PM
So you guys are implying/suggesting that rittenhouse posted bail, drove from Kenosha to Tosa, went to Macy's to buy a suit, and then shot 10 people?
I think they're implying that there's a "type."
Quote from: Retire0 on November 20, 2020, 05:26:57 PM
Very little doubt he's a patriot, Twitter is saying he called his shot about this on Parler, the radical right Twitter.
Link?
Yes. It is counterproductive to do this until the name of the alleged shooter is known.
Still at large. To even begin to assign motives is just wrong at this point.
Quote from: Retire0 on November 20, 2020, 05:26:57 PM
Very little doubt he's a patriot, Twitter is saying he called his shot about this on Parler, the radical right Twitter.
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https://www.factcheck.org/2020/01/comedian-sam-hyde-not-behind-spread-of-coronavirus/
Quote from: Pakuni on November 20, 2020, 06:29:23 PM
I think they're implying that there's a "type."
No, it's a response to the question "what's wrong with people" and the fact people were willing to donate to bail him out (including noted doctor, MyPillow Guy) in the same day as this tragedy shows we cannot answer that question.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 20, 2020, 07:34:51 PM
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https://www.factcheck.org/2020/01/comedian-sam-hyde-not-behind-spread-of-coronavirus/
*wink
Rumor is the shooter is from New Berlin and there are shots fired out there.
Any truth to there being a MAGA rally tomorrow that was looking to make Mayfair their gathering point but were told no earlier this week?
Quote from: Pakuni on November 20, 2020, 06:25:06 PM
Insecure men, radicalized and armed with big guns to compensate for their shortcomings.
700+ murders in Chicago year to date. Same diagnose?
Quote from: cinbog on November 20, 2020, 09:31:24 PM
700+ murders in Chicago year to date. Same diagnose?
What % weren't gang related?
Sounds like the police presence in New Berlin is a separate incident.
Great thing about kids not being in school is the elimination of school shootings. Hopefully 2020 will be the first year in a long time where the US isn't #1 in the world in this category
Quote from: cinbog on November 20, 2020, 09:31:24 PM
700+ murders in Chicago year to date. Same diagnose?
Hi Cheeks
Or is it Elon?
Shocker to see who the "All lives matter" crowd is on here.
Cousin was there. hid in a bathroom. Gotta be pretty tense.
Most of the victims went home last night. Don't know about the teen at CHOW, but I think only one of the 7 adults spent the night at Froedtert.
Quote from: Sir Lawrence on November 21, 2020, 09:41:01 AM
Most of the victims went home last night. Don't know about the teen at CHOW, but I think only one of the 7 adults spent the night at Froedtert.
Great news.
Prayers for teen at Children's and adult kept overnight.
Then please let this creep be captured quickly.
Wasn't Rittenhouse released earlier yesterday? Maybe headed to Milwaukee?
Just sayin'...
Quote from: Jockey on November 21, 2020, 11:02:19 AM
Wasn't Rittenhouse released earlier yesterday? Maybe headed to Milwaukee?
Just sayin'...
Stop.
Must be a coincidence.
https://twitter.com/ricoreporting/status/1330228615401926656?s=21
Quote from: reinko on November 21, 2020, 07:51:08 PM
Must be a coincidence.
https://twitter.com/ricoreporting/status/1330228615401926656?s=21
all flashing the "definitely not the white supremacist hand sign"
Quote from: reinko on November 21, 2020, 07:51:08 PM
Must be a coincidence.
https://twitter.com/ricoreporting/status/1330228615401926656?s=21
Are they standing by, as their emperor asked them to do?
Quote from: Skatastrophy on November 21, 2020, 08:05:01 PM
all flashing the "definitely not the white supremacist hand sign"
That pisses me off as that was Travis's hand sign after three pointers. Throwing that up is Pavlovian for me so many years later and now I have to remind myself not to do it thanks to these incels.
Quote from: MU82 on November 21, 2020, 10:11:30 PM
Are they standing by, as their emperor asked them to do?
The coup attempt is ongoing. They are ready.
Dudes gettin away scott free eh. Do they know what he looks like or a name?
Quote from: Johnny B on November 21, 2020, 10:51:21 PM
Dudes gettin away scott free eh. Do they know what he looks like or a name?
Everything I've seen simply describes him as 'a white male in his 20s or 30s.' I have to believe they have more, given the witnesses. If they don't, they aren't gonna find him.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on November 22, 2020, 09:47:36 AM
Everything I've seen simply describes him as 'a white male in his 20s or 30s.' I have to believe they have more, given the witnesses. If they don't, they aren't gonna find him.
Not to mention there has to be parking lot cameras for vehicle or at least route right? I imagine they haven't released everything
I got a Safety Alert about New Berlin and saying they had 3 suspects in custody. Is that a separate incident?
I did see an interview of a girl outside of Mayfair saying she had heard it was a friend of a friend. So I'm assuming she was questioned pretty shortly after.
Quote from: cheebs09 on November 22, 2020, 11:53:47 AM
I got a Safety Alert about New Berlin and saying they had 3 suspects in custody. Is that a separate incident?
I did see an interview of a girl outside of Mayfair saying she had heard it was a friend of a friend. So I'm assuming she was questioned pretty shortly after.
The New Berlin incident wasn't related.
I grew up in Tosa, and if my experience is any guide the tosa cops are doing their best to harass every teenager wearing a hoodie asking them where they hid the wacky tobacky.
Strange they haven't released any info, though. I'd bet they know who the guy is and are looking for him. If they weren't they would have asked for help. Or he's a cop and they closed ranks.
Arrest made.
Still Trump's fault doe, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 22, 2020, 04:44:51 PM
Still Trump's fault doe, hey?
Yeah no kidding. Looks like the result of an "altercation." But I guess when people are obsessed with coups, they see them everywhere.
Quote from: BLM on November 22, 2020, 04:16:56 PM
15 year old.
Didn't he just get released on bond? Or are there more?
White male in their 20s and 30s turns out to be a 15 year old Hispanic kid. Whoops
No reports yet if he's part of the coup.
Quote from: JWags85 on November 22, 2020, 04:47:07 PM
White male in their 20s and 30s turns out to be a 15 year old Hispanic kid. Whoops
No reports yet if he's part of the coup.
Word is he was the Kracken
Quote from: Pakuni on November 20, 2020, 06:29:23 PM
I think they're implying that there's a "type."
The "type" for billy and Mysogonist Mike looks to be wrong.
I sure am glad I recommended not jumping to conclusions.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on November 22, 2020, 05:02:04 PM
The "type" for billy and Mysogonist Mike looks to be wrong.
Let me know where I said there was a specific type. TIA
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on November 22, 2020, 05:15:00 PM
Let me know where I said there was a specific type. TIA
Yep. I never said a single thing about this kid or his "type." Not one thing.
But lying, racist Ziggy is obsessed with me. Maybe you too now, Billy.
Quote from: MU82 on November 22, 2020, 07:12:48 PM
Yep. I never said a single thing about this kid or his "type." Not one thing.
But lying, racist Ziggy is obsessed with me. Maybe you too now, Billy.
You had no problem tying in rittenhouse to this situation when no one knew anything about the shooter or the facts. "White hero" you called him. Anything to get your cute shots in, king of the hot takes.
Do you type your emperor posts out every time or do you keep lines in a Word doc for easy cut and paste?
You still cant prove anything racist about me other than the MJ likes white women line, which was stolen from "hyper-conservative" Dan Bernstein.
As usual, you can have the last word. I hope you use that same gif again, its hilarious. At least I'm not on the record as a Mysogonist.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on November 22, 2020, 05:15:00 PM
Let me know where I said there was a specific type. TIA
Page 1, bro. You're usually better than that, was disappointed in you on this one.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on November 22, 2020, 09:30:52 PM
You had no problem tying in rittenhouse to this situation when no one knew anything about the shooter or the facts. "White hero" you called him. Anything to get your cute shots in, king of the hot takes.
Do you type your emperor posts out every time or do you keep lines in a Word doc for easy cut and paste?
You still cant prove anything racist about me other than the MJ likes white women line, which was stolen from "hyper-conservative" Dan Bernstein.
As usual, you can have the last word. I hope you use that same gif again, its hilarious. At least I'm not on the record as a Mysogonist.
My line about Rittenhouse had absolutely nothing to do with this kid. I didn't "tie in" anything, except in your imagination. Learn how to read.
At least I'm not on the record as a racist ... and blaming a radio guy for it.
Quote from: MU82 on November 22, 2020, 09:37:23 PM
My line about Rittenhouse had absolutely nothing to do with this kid. I didn't "tie in" anything, except in your imagination. Learn how to read.
At least I'm not on the record as a racist ... and blaming a radio guy for it.
Your pal pakuni disagrees with you.
Show me where I'm a racist. Dare you. You know nothing about me. You obviously have plenty of time on your hands.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on November 22, 2020, 09:42:41 PM
Your pal pakuni disagrees with you.
Show me where I'm a racist. Dare you. You know nothing about me. You obviously have plenty of time on your hands.
Just a rich white kid, hey?
Irony.
Most crime isn't random. Most victims know their perpetrators, this time included.
Quote from: The Lens on November 23, 2020, 12:04:26 AM
Most crime isn't random. Most victims know their perpetrators, this time included.
My wife and I have a 7th grader, a 4th grader & a 2nd grader. Friday night at dinner was all about Mayfair. It became an enlightening conversation on how each kids' classroom prepares for a school shooting. I was impressed by the pragmatic approach. Sure they were somewhat scared but no more so than I was of tornado drills. I'm always impressed by how resilient kids are about things adults freak out about.
I have been off line for a few months.
Now with the election behind us I came back for a visit.
What did I find?
The same sad state of affairs.
To my friends I say give it up, its hopeless.
To the others I say give it up, nobody is listening.
It has come to the point where I'm embarrassed to admit I went to college in Wisconsin.
Wisconsin, the home of Joe McCarthy, the sewer socialists and the cheeseheads.
When I use the term rube, I'm being generous.
Despairing sure as crap ain't the answer.
Always wait at least 24 hours after a news event before commenting. Emerging facts prevent silly speculation.
This incident was on my local news last night. It's obviously a national new story.
Surprised that he hasn't been doxxed yet. Seems impossible to hide identities in big cases now. Example: the slender man girls were doxxed instantly.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on November 22, 2020, 09:42:41 PM
Show me where I'm a racist. Dare you. You know nothing about me. You obviously have plenty of time on your hands.
PMed you, to spare Scoop.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on November 23, 2020, 08:45:06 AM
Surprised that he hasn't been doxxed yet. Seems impossible to hide identities in big cases now. Example: the slender man girls were doxxed instantly.
How dare the professionals act professionally in regards to a minor. It will come out. I am sure in some corners of social media, it is already out.
The luckiest thing that's ever happened to this kid in his life is nobody died. Will be interested to see what the chargers are and whether he's charged as a minor. My guess is there will be some combination of attempted homicide and reckless endangerment, and he'll be charged as an adult.
15 is a reach, but they will try.
Quote from: tower912 on November 23, 2020, 09:21:53 AM
How dare the professionals act professionally in regards to a minor. It will come out. I am sure in some corners of social media, it is already out.
I didn't mean to say I wanted the teen doxxed and I apologize if that's how it came out. Only wanted to convey that I was surprised when I looked on Twitter that there was no name number address health history social security number etc listed.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on November 20, 2020, 03:58:58 PM
People donated money to get him out. WTF???
you do realize many many more donated to get all of your antifa buddies out...hell, they just walked 'em in the front door, right thru and out the back door. hollywood, gs et.al. once again, watch the videos. my liberal bro-in-law attorney winced at the murder charge. knuckle head-yes, but murderer? not so fast
Any of these "antifa buddies" bring a rifle and kill someone? If so, that's dumb too.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on November 23, 2020, 12:51:32 PM
you do realize many many more donated to get all of your antifa buddies out...hell, they just walked 'em in the front door, right thru and out the back door. hollywood, gs et.al. once again, watch the videos. my liberal bro-in-law attorney winced at the murder charge. knuckle head-yes, but murderer? not so fast
I have made it clear from the beginning I am 100% against these "antifa" idiots and believe every one of them should be charged face trial. However, there is a difference between the peaceful protesters and the "antifa" street gangs (who have hit my wife's office has been twice, BTW) who are using the protests to justify their violence and destruction.
Put the "antifa" idiots and Rittenhouse in the same prison yard and let them work it all out.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 23, 2020, 01:13:24 PM
Any of these "antifa buddies" bring a rifle and kill someone? I'll hang up and listen...
actually one did and killed a guy in Portland. He ran away though (until the US Marshalls executed him). I don't remember hearing anyone other than his fellow terrorists expressing support for him.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on November 23, 2020, 01:13:35 PM
I have made it clear from the beginning I am 100% against these "antifa" idiots and believe every one of them should be charged face trial. However, there is a difference between the peaceful protesters and the "antifa" street gangs (who have hit my wife's office has been twice, BTW) who are using the protests to justify their violence and destruction.
Put the "antifa" idiots and Rittenhouse in the same prison yard and let them work it all out.
actually one did and killed a guy in Portland. He ran away though (until the US Marshalls executed him). I don't remember hearing anyone other than his fellow terrorists expressing support for him.
So he wasn't bailed out by idiots then.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on November 22, 2020, 09:31:55 PM
Page 1, bro. You're usually better than that, was disappointed in you on this one.
my comment about Rittenhouse was not tying him (or any white person) to the shooting, but rather an answer to the question "What the fook is wrong with people?" Why wouldn't someone be motivated to shoot up people when they see another shooter become a cause celebre and people across America, as the economy struggles, say "I may not be able to pay rent or feed my family, but dammit, I need to donate $100 to get a murderer of jail because I agree with what he did.'
It had nothing to identifying a "type" but another example of how pathetic aspects of society are today.
And before you accuse me of being a hypocrite with the far left-wing violence, know that my wife and I have both cut out people from our lives who have expressed support for the violence and looting in our city, especially those who use the "if you oppose antifa you must support fascism." There are many issues that shouldn't require a binary choice, violence, looting, murder, etc. are among those at the top.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 23, 2020, 01:16:52 PM
So he wasn't bailed out by idiots then.
he left the city and was found in another state, so he never had a chance to be bailed out.
The issue we've had in Portland is our new DA has decided A) to release people without bail and B) not prosecute people arrested, even those arrested multiple time.
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Quote from: Billy Hoyle on November 23, 2020, 01:23:03 PM
The issue we've had in Portland is our new DA has decided A) to release people without bail and B) not prosecute people arrested, even those arrested multiple time.
A) Judges set bail, not prosecutors. A prosecutor can ask for bail to be set at a certain amount or that someone be released on recognizance, etc., but the decision rests with the court. And recog is not unusual for minor, nonviolent offenses like curfew violations and trespassing. Do we really want to pack our jails - and pay the costs associated with that - to detain people charged with minor, nonviolent offenses?
B) If I'm not mistaken, the Portland DA is declining prosecution only on cases that don't involve violence, theft or property damage.
Multnomah County District Attorney Mike Schmidt, leaning on a group of community representatives he called his transition team, announced Tuesday that his office will drop most of the charges filed against protesters in Portland.
His prosecutors won't pursue demonstrators accused of interfering with police, disorderly conduct, criminal trespass, escape or harassment if the allegations don't involve "deliberate'' property damage, theft or force against another person or threats of force, Schmidt said.https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/08/hundreds-of-portland-protesters-will-see-their-criminal-cases-dropped-as-da-announces-plan-to-recognize-the-right-to-speak.html
Quote from: Pakuni on November 23, 2020, 04:50:06 PM
A) Judges set bail, not prosecutors. A prosecutor can ask for bail to be set at a certain amount or that someone be released on recognizance, etc., but the decision rests with the court. And recog is not unusual for minor, nonviolent offenses like curfew violations and trespassing. Do we really want to pack our jails - and pay the costs associated with that - to detain people charged with minor, nonviolent offenses?
B) If I'm not mistaken, the Portland DA is declining prosecution only on cases that don't involve violence, theft or property damage.
Multnomah County District Attorney Mike Schmidt, leaning on a group of community representatives he called his transition team, announced Tuesday that his office will drop most of the charges filed against protesters in Portland.
His prosecutors won't pursue demonstrators accused of interfering with police, disorderly conduct, criminal trespass, escape or harassment if the allegations don't involve "deliberate'' property damage, theft or force against another person or threats of force, Schmidt said.
https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/08/hundreds-of-portland-protesters-will-see-their-criminal-cases-dropped-as-da-announces-plan-to-recognize-the-right-to-speak.html
with the DA, my biggest issue is that it's multiple arrestees being continually let go (the guy who killed the Proud Boy incel was a multiple time arrestee himself). And, he's expanded it well past those categories, even dropping charges for felonies (in one case the guy admitted setting a Chase on fire and saying he was going to set another building on fire), including arson and rioting. Over 100 individuals charged with felonies have seen their charges dropped. 30 of 39 individuals charged with assaulting a police officer have had their charged dropped. Most of these individuals are white, per the DA, so I'm not sure if this helps or hurts the disparate treatment under the law argument.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on November 23, 2020, 05:59:03 PM
with the DA, my biggest issue is that it's multiple arrestees being continually let go (the guy who killed the Proud Boy incel was a multiple time arrestee himself). And, he's expanded it well past those categories, even dropping charges for felonies (in one case the guy admitted setting a Chase on fire and saying he was going to set another building on fire), including arson and rioting. Over 100 individuals charged with felonies have seen their charges dropped. 30 of 39 individuals charged with assaulting a police officer have had their charged dropped. Most of these individuals are white, per the DA, so I'm not sure if this helps or hurts the disparate treatment under the law argument.
If people accused of offenses involving violence, theft or serious property damage are going uncharged, then that's stupid.