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Love this movement going around college basketball/sports. We need to be on the right side of history and not repeat our mistakes as a country. Raise awareness for the cause, have the student athletes educate themselves on the difference their vote/voice can make. Take it all in.
Hopefully they vote.
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Good for them. This is great
Nice.
Quote from: Herman Cain on June 05, 2020, 07:50:07 AM
Hopefully they vote.
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What should be edited?
Wears duz won catch da trolley ta da pollin' place, hey?
Yeah this is wonderful...until people get in the kids ears and use their influence's on who to vote for. And that WILL happen. It shouldn't, but professors do it all the time too. Coaches/administrators etc will be no different I'm afraid.
Quote from: muguru on June 12, 2020, 09:25:42 PM
Yeah this is wonderful...until people get in the kids ears and use their influence's on who to vote for. And that WILL happen. It shouldn't, but professors do it all the time too. Coaches/administrators etc will be no different I'm afraid.
Proof?
Quote from: muguru on June 12, 2020, 09:25:42 PM
Yeah this is wonderful...until people get in the kids ears and use their influence's on who to vote for. And that WILL happen. It shouldn't, but professors do it all the time too. Coaches/administrators etc will be no different I'm afraid.
Yeah, that's called life. The people you interact with mold you and shape your world views. They have an influence on you.
Maybe we should just hide everyone until they are 18 and then have them go vote based on what name they like better?
Quote from: wadesworld on June 12, 2020, 09:31:33 PM
Yeah, that's called life. The people you interact with mold you and shape your world views. They have an influence on you.
Well said
Quote from: muguru on June 12, 2020, 09:25:42 PM
Yeah this is wonderful...until people get in the kids ears and use their influence's on who to vote for. And that WILL happen. It shouldn't, but professors do it all the time too. Coaches/administrators etc will be no different I'm afraid.
So people shouldn't share their political beliefs with other people? Better shut down talk radio
Quote from: wadesworld on June 12, 2020, 09:31:33 PM
Yeah, that's called life. The people you interact with mold you and shape your world views. They have an influence on you.
Maybe we should just hide everyone until they are 18 and then have them go vote based on what name they like better?
No, help them with the process etc. educate them on voting, maybe some history of it or whatever. But after that let them research and decide on their own..it's like taking a test, you aren't giving them the answers ahead of time. You might tell them what will be on the test, but after that they are on their own. But you do NOT tell them who you think they should vote for, or who you are voting for. One of the most important parts of voting is deciding on your own who the candidate is that you want and why you want them. Don't let anyone/anything influence you. At least at Marquette, if they want to really know about voting etc, send them to Professor McAdams. Though I can't be mad at any college student for not being real educated about politics etc. They are young. Hell, a significant majority of Americans vote for who the mainstream media tells them to because they just aren't educated enough, and have preconceived notions about candidates because of things they hear on TV or read from the many terrible newspapers out there. That's not the way it's supposed to work. You don't vote for a candidate simply because you hate the other one if the person your voting for would be terrible at his job. Sadly, many millions of voters this year will be doing just that. Those people all know that's why they will be doing it to. Makes me ashamed for many of my fellow Americans. That's not how it's supposed to work.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on June 12, 2020, 09:42:52 PM
So people shouldn't share their political beliefs with other people? Better shut down talk radio
Sure, the problem is so many millions of Americans listen to the wrong influences and wrong media sources. The ones millions of people get their influence from, do nothing but lie to advance their agendas. Sadly not enough people are educated enough about what's really going on and who the best candidates are so they hear a TV station(or person they are influenced by) say something and they go "okay, sounds good to me" and that's who they vote for and that is 100% factual. Doesn't matter that they are in reality an absolutely terrible candidate.
The ball is on the tee, but I'm not swinging.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on June 12, 2020, 09:42:52 PM
So people shouldn't share their political beliefs with other people? Better shut down talk radio
Talk radio, Scoop, schools, cable tv, newspapers, entertainment industry, etc.. - echo chambers all. Start with a narrative, gerrymander the facts to fit it.
Quote from: muguru on June 12, 2020, 09:56:28 PM
Sure, the problem is so many millions of Americans listen to the wrong influences and wrong media sources. The ones millions of people get their influence from, do nothing but lie to advance their agendas. Sadly not enough people are educated enough about what's really going on and who the best candidates are so they hear a TV station(or person they are influenced by) say something and they go "okay, sounds good to me" and that's who they vote for and that is 100% factual. Doesn't matter that they are in reality an absolutely terrible candidate.
So if they don't agree with your views it is wrong. Those you listen to don't have an agenda? What a bunch of worthless drivel.
Vote Quimby.
Quote from: Newsdreams on June 12, 2020, 10:19:18 PM
So if they don't agree with your views it us wrong. Those you listen to don't have an agenda? What a bunch of worthless drivel.
No...they don't have agendas...I shape my own views on my own. The people I listen to tell it the way it is, if I am not sure if I believe it, I verify it from many different places. Sadly so many Americans fall into the trap of believing drivel and flat out lies. I can't necessarily blame the mainstream media for that though, that's more an indictment of the uneducated, unknowledgeable, incredibly gullible americans that eat it up. As long as so many are going to fall into that trap, and continue to believe the lies, they are going to continue to spew them.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on June 12, 2020, 10:16:24 PM
The ball is on the tee, but I'm not swinging.
Yeah ... woulda been the easiest HR ever ... but I'll be a good boy and let guru be the one who gets this thread shut down.
Quote from: muguru on June 12, 2020, 09:56:28 PM
Sure, the problem is so many millions of Americans listen to the wrong influences and wrong media sources. The ones millions of people get their influence from, do nothing but lie to advance their agendas. Sadly not enough people are educated enough about what's really going on and who the best candidates are so they hear a TV station(or person they are influenced by) say something and they go "okay, sounds good to me" and that's who they vote for and that is 100% factual. Doesn't matter that they are in reality an absolutely terrible candidate.
So as long as they listen to the right influences and right media sources its all good, eh?
Ideally there would be a polling station on the MU campus again. There was until the previous governor had it removed because it was being used too much.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on June 12, 2020, 11:03:26 PM
So as long as they listen to the right influences and right media sources its all good, eh?
Yes...I mean don't we all want the right influences in our lives?? Again, I think this is a wonderful thing to help students learn about voting etc..What is NOT okay is it's MY OPINION and educated guess, that at least with the men's basketball team, the Coaches would not influence them in the proper direction. There is no one on that campus more equipped to teach the student athletes about the voting process etc than Professor McAdams. I mean, it's what he does. Send them all to him for 45 mins to an hour or however long it takes. At least then they will have learned from someone that does it for a living and he would help them sort through what is BS and what isn't. In fact, I wish millions of Americans could/would learn from him. I'd feel a lot better about at least the MU student athletes(can't speak for Other SA's around the country except I know UW's SA's are a lost cause no use in even bothering trying to reach them), having the proper knowledge about everything before they voted. That's so incredibly important.
Quote from: muguru on June 12, 2020, 11:29:43 PM
Yes...I mean don't we all want the right influences in our lives?? Again, I think this is a wonderful thing to help students learn about voting etc..What is NOT okay is it's MY OPINION and educated guess, that at least with the men's basketball team, the Coaches would not influence them in the proper direction. There is no one on that campus more equipped to teach the student athletes about the voting process etc than Professor McAdams. I mean, it's what he does. Send them all to him for 45 mins to an hour or however long it takes. At least then they will have learned from someone that does it for a living and he would help them sort through what is BS and what isn't. In fact, I wish millions of Americans could/would learn from him. I'd feel a lot better about at least the MU student athletes(can't speak for Other SA's around the country except I know UW's SA's are a lost cause no use in even bothering trying to reach them), having the proper knowledge about everything before they voted. That's so incredibly important.
::)
Quote from: muguru on June 12, 2020, 11:29:43 PM
Yes...I mean don't we all want the right influences in our lives?? Again, I think this is a wonderful thing to help students learn about voting etc..What is NOT okay is it's MY OPINION and educated guess, that at least with the men's basketball team, the Coaches would not influence them in the proper direction. There is no one on that campus more equipped to teach the student athletes about the voting process etc than Professor McAdams. I mean, it's what he does. Send them all to him for 45 mins to an hour or however long it takes. At least then they will have learned from someone that does it for a living and he would help them sort through what is BS and what isn't. In fact, I wish millions of Americans could/would learn from him. I'd feel a lot better about at least the MU student athletes(can't speak for Other SA's around the country except I know UW's SA's are a lost cause no use in even bothering trying to reach them), having the proper knowledge about everything before they voted. That's so incredibly important.
I can't tell if you didn't get the joke or if you are taking the joke one step further. Either way, bravo.
Guru isn't wrong. I voted for Reagan in 84 to impress a girl. We all do stupid crap.
To his larger point, there are a near infinite number of potential influencers out there. Like everyone else, the young people will hear a lot of them and then choose.
Quote from: tower912 on June 13, 2020, 06:29:58 AM
Guru isn't wrong. I voted for Reagan in 84 to impress a girl. We all do stupid crap.
To his larger point, there are a near j finite number of potential influencers out there. Like everyone else, the young people will hear a lot of them and then choose.
Thankfully, the vast majority will not choose to be influenced by crotchety old white men whining that America isn't what it used to be in the "good old days," when blacks, women, Hispanics, Jews and various other "others" knew their place.
Actually ... that's probably not true. When they hear those crotchety old white men whining, the young people, very smartly, will be influenced to vote the other way.
Quote from: muguru on June 12, 2020, 11:29:43 PM
Yes...I mean don't we all want the right influences in our lives?? Again, I think this is a wonderful thing to help students learn about voting etc..What is NOT okay is it's MY OPINION and educated guess, that at least with the men's basketball team, the Coaches would not influence them in the proper direction. There is no one on that campus more equipped to teach the student athletes about the voting process etc than Professor McAdams. I mean, it's what he does. Send them all to him for 45 mins to an hour or however long it takes. At least then they will have learned from someone that does it for a living and he would help them sort through what is BS and what isn't. In fact, I wish millions of Americans could/would learn from him. I'd feel a lot better about at least the MU student athletes(can't speak for Other SA's around the country except I know UW's SA's are a lost cause no use in even bothering trying to reach them), having the proper knowledge about everything before they voted. That's so incredibly important.
Seriously? "Students shouldn't listen to coaches or professors, except for this conservative guy I like."
The influence that professors have on how students vote is very small compared to their parents and friends. The idea that they turn them into a bunch of left-leaning automatons is hilarious.
I'm with Guru. We need to suppress student voting. It's time we get back to the good old days when women couldn't vote and you had to be a landowner to vote. Too many people are voting.
This is another classic Guru hot take.
Quote from: muguru on June 12, 2020, 09:56:28 PM
Sure, the problem is so many millions of Americans listen to the wrong influences and wrong media sources. The ones millions of people get their influence from, do nothing but lie to advance their agendas. Sadly not enough people are educated enough about what's really going on and who the best candidates are so they hear a TV station(or person they are influenced by) say something and they go "okay, sounds good to me" and that's who they vote for and that is 100% factual. Doesn't matter that they are in reality an absolutely terrible candidate.
This is absolute gold.
Quote from: MU82 on June 13, 2020, 06:52:21 AM
Thankfully, the vast majority will not choose to be influenced by crotchety old white men whining that America isn't what it used to be in the "good old days," when blacks, women, Hispanics, Jews and various other "others" knew their place.
Actually ... that's probably not true. When they hear those crotchety old white men whining, the young people, very smartly, will be influenced to vote the other way.
Mike, you were doing pretty well until this post. ;D
In before the lock!
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on June 13, 2020, 12:43:12 AM
I can't tell if you didn't get the joke or if you are taking the joke one step further. Either way, bravo.
Oh I got it, I wanted to make it VERY clear what the right thing to do is.
Quote from: muguru on June 12, 2020, 09:56:28 PM
Sure, the problem is so many millions of Americans listen to the wrong influences and wrong media sources. The ones millions of people get their influence from, do nothing but lie to advance their agendas. Sadly not enough people are educated enough about what's really going on and who the best candidates are so they hear a TV station(or person they are influenced by) say something and they go "okay, sounds good to me" and that's who they vote for and that is 100% factual. Doesn't matter that they are in reality an absolutely terrible candidate.
Said it in another thread , the elimination of the poll tax was a big mistake .
In my view if people had to pay $100 to receive a license to vote , the results would be a much more informed electorate.
Political parties would end up paying the $100 for people who couldn't afford to, so it's not like anyone would be disenfranchised .
Quote from: Herman Cain on June 13, 2020, 07:55:34 AM
Said it in another thread , the elimination of the poll tax was a big mistake .
lol.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on June 13, 2020, 07:00:27 AM
Seriously? "Students shouldn't listen to coaches or professors, except for this conservative guy I like."
The influence that professors have on how students vote is very small compared to their parents and friends. The idea that they turn them into a bunch of left-leaning automatons is hilarious.
Wrong...you can say all you want they don't push agendas and influence students in a certain way, but that is absolute fact that they do and in fact, is one of our biggest issues with institutes of "higher" learning these days. They may not always do it in blatantly obvious ways, but believe me, they do do it.
People should show more respect for some of the greatest citizens we have on this earth..our wonderful senior citizens. If more people listened to them, or at least a vast majority of them, we'd all be wiser for it. They "get" it. They've been around, on this earth a long time, they know what's up. Students/young people...a message for you...if you don't know about something, or who to vote for..Have a nice long talk with Grandma and grandpa..I would feel MUCH better about the direction they would typically lead you in then any of your Coaches/professors, mom and dad and certainly friends will. You will also learn a lot about hard work and dedication and earning what you get, as opposed to being given things for free which is really a disgusting paradigm that leaves you left behind in the long run
Quote from: muguru on June 13, 2020, 07:57:03 AM
Wrong...you can say all you want they don't push agendas and influence students in a certain way, but that is absolute fact that they do and in fact, is one of our biggest issues with institutes of "higher" learning these days. They may not always do it in blatantly obvious ways, but believe me, they do do it.
Says the guy who never went to college.
Anyway, most professors are simply busy teaching their classes. Some have biases that come out. But even then, most students aren't as influenced by them as they are their parents and friends.
This is just another one of those mindless, right-wing talking points.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 12, 2020, 09:31:33 PM
Yeah, that's called life. The people you interact with mold you and shape your world views. They have an influence on you.
Maybe we should just hide everyone until they are 18 and then have them go vote based on what name they like better?
...I'll guarantee half of all voters are clueless of the issues. They vote based on an influence, whether it's by way of family, employer, or whatever. Many folks will vote based on a single issue rather than the larger view of multiple issues. Shortsighted. Take urban America. Most are managed by Democrats. And have been for generations. Yet, the same problems in urban America persist...crime, unemployment, truancy, blight, drug use, infrastructure decay etc etc. it's a circle that has no end. Yet, folks keep voting for the same. Why? What's going on here? Now the hot topic is defund police. Really? Is there thought to the big picture? But, pay close attention to the vote...demographics. I guess my point is...all should vote...but know the issues, and keep in mind the big picture. Elections have consequences. Elections determine change...or status quo.
How is one to know which sources/influences are the "right" ones and which are the "wrong" ones?
Quote from: jesmu84 on June 13, 2020, 08:23:36 AM
How is one to know which sources/influences are the "right" ones and which are the "wrong" ones?
Do you listen to Mark Belling?
A. Yes
B. No
Quote from: TSmith34 on June 13, 2020, 07:12:40 AM
This is absolute gold.
Guru isn't necessarily wrong. People don't pay attention to the issues. People look at the here & now without forethought. As I posted before, the issues that plague urban America have been ongoing for generations and don't change. Why? Why are politicians being re-elected that do nothing... but ensure nothing will change.. being re-elected? Milwaukee, Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland...these are all examples of my point. Nothing changes. Seattle, Portland, SF...success stories...NOT. But pay attention to the vote.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on June 13, 2020, 07:59:27 AM
Says the guy who never went to college.
Anyway, most professors are simply busy teaching their classes. Some have biases that come out. But even then, most students aren't as influenced by them as they are their parents and friends.
This is just another one of those mindless, right-wing talking points.
Pretty sure hes said he went to whitewater.
Quote from: MU82 on June 13, 2020, 06:52:21 AM
Thankfully, the vast majority will not choose to be influenced by crotchety old white men whining that America isn't what it used to be in the "good old days," when blacks, women, Hispanics, Jews and various other "others" knew their place.
Actually ... that's probably not true. When they hear those crotchety old white men whining, the young people, very smartly, will be influenced to vote the other way.
Obviously you have ZERO respect for Grandma and grandpa who laid the foundation for our country. I'm not surprised you don't however. Young people are mindless minions that have too many terrible influences in their lives(see.. equally mindless, uneducated parents) with a mindset that "if it's free it's for me", unfortunately and disgustingly, that is why they will vote the other way. Great way to "educate" our youth today...NOT.
Is this the thread where we air our beefs.
If so my beef is seatbelt sensors. That damn alarm drives me nuts. My seatbelt my choice. Thanks a lot Nader.
Quote from: Marq3332 on June 13, 2020, 08:26:10 AM
Guru isn't necessarily wrong. People don't pay attention to the issues. People look at the here & now without forethought. As I posted before, the issues that plague urban America have been ongoing for generations and don't change. Why? Why are politicians being re-elected that do nothing... but ensure nothing will change.. being re-elected? Milwaukee, Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland...these are all examples of my point. Nothing changes. Seattle, Portland, SF...success stories...NOT. But pay attention to the vote.
One guess.... the homogeneity of the party in power in every one of the cities that u mention. The have destroyed the american dream
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on June 13, 2020, 07:59:27 AM
Says the guy who never went to college.
Anyway, most professors are simply busy teaching their classes. Some have biases that come out. But even then, most students aren't as influenced by them as they are their parents and friends.
This is just another one of those mindless, right-wing talking points.
LOL
Versus the vastly more intelligent left wing talking points. 😂 Your hypocrisy is mind numbing
Quote from: Marq3332 on June 13, 2020, 08:16:38 AM
...I'll guarantee half of all voters are clueless of the issues. They vote based on an influence, whether it's by way of family, employer, or whatever. Many folks will vote based on a single issue rather than the larger view of multiple issues. Shortsighted. Take urban America. Most are managed by Democrats. And have been for generations. Yet, the same problems in urban America persist...crime, unemployment, truancy, blight, drug use, infrastructure decay etc etc. it's a circle that has no end. Yet, folks keep voting for the same. Why? What's going on here? Now the hot topic is defund police. Really? Is there thought to the big picture? But, pay close attention to the vote...demographics. I guess my point is...all should vote...but know the issues, and keep in mind the big picture. Elections have consequences. Elections determine change...or status quo.
Bingo! This one just left the park with the bases loaded...talk about owning the libs..you just did that and then some. Very well done. It's absolutely abhorrent that so many in this country are so clueless on the issues(like the ones you named above to name a few) yet, like the robots they are and the influences the deceitful, liberal, agenda driven media have on so many mindless humans...we have people that just fall in line and do as they are told. These are the people that are the stain on America and should NOT be voting, yet here we are. I always tell young people(or anyone) if they ask me about voting etc, follow one simple principle "if you don't know what you are voting for, don't vote". If we followed that simple basic principle we'd eliminate about 66 million americans and we'd have far more legitimacy to our elections and an America that looks like it should.
Quote from: jesmu84 on June 13, 2020, 08:23:36 AM
How is one to know which sources/influences are the "right" ones and which are the "wrong" ones?
Send them to me, or as I said, have them sit down with Professor McAdams..he will steer them in the right direction(if they are truly willing to listen to him).
Quote from: Marq3332 on June 13, 2020, 08:26:10 AM
Guru isn't necessarily wrong. People don't pay attention to the issues. People look at the here & now without forethought. As I posted before, the issues that plague urban America have been ongoing for generations and don't change. Why? Why are politicians being re-elected that do nothing... but ensure nothing will change.. being re-elected? Milwaukee, Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland...these are all examples of my point. Nothing changes. Seattle, Portland, SF...success stories...NOT. But pay attention to the vote.
It's so refreshing to see someone else here that "gets it" Everyone...do yourselves a favor...listen to this guy..he knows of what he speaks. How about Minneapolis...yes Minneapolis, the city that has been at the forefront of all the things we have seen recently..have not had a Republican Mayor in over 45 years!! 45!! And he was Mayor for one day. And then they wonder why they have the problems that they do?? But, you keep doing you Minneapolis, you must be so proud.
Point being...I have voted for different parties at all levels...because I vote for people that I believe will truly make a change and they fall in line with some of the things I believe in. The problem now is, the left has gone so far off the rails and become such left wing whack jobs(you all must be so proud), that there is ZERO chance I could/would ever vote for another one in this current climate.
Crean sucks
Always good for a program to demonize many of their fans who might not appreciate the assertion of what this vote push is alluding to. In fact many would vehemently disagree with the premise and now might not show up for games to manifest their disgust.
Of course Marquette has been hijacked by leadership that engages in reckless price gouging and expounds teachings closer to Saul Alinksy than St. Ignatius.
Quote from: muguru on June 13, 2020, 07:57:03 AM
Wrong...you can say all you want they don't push agendas and influence students in a certain way, but that is absolute fact that they do and in fact, is one of our biggest issues with institutes of "higher" learning these days. They may not always do it in blatantly obvious ways, but believe me, they do do it.
Absolutely RIGHT! Professors should NEVER influence students in a certain way. NEVER! Unless it is Professor McAdams. Then it is OK.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on June 13, 2020, 08:34:25 AM
Is this the thread where we air our beefs.
If so my beef is seatbelt sensors. That damn alarm drives me nuts. My seatbelt my choice. Thanks a lot Nader.
Buckle it behind you, problem solved. Your welcome! ;D
Quote from: muguru on June 13, 2020, 08:30:10 AM
Obviously you have ZERO respect for Grandma and grandpa who laid the foundation for our country. I'm not surprised you don't however. Young people are mindless minions that have too many terrible influences in their lives(see.. equally mindless, uneducated parents) with a mindset that "if it's free it's for me", unfortunately and disgustingly, that is why they will vote the other way. Great way to "educate" our youth today...NOT.
So, so good.
The bottom line is, let's hope these kids vote against Trump
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on June 13, 2020, 08:38:06 AM
LOL
Versus the vastly more intelligent left wing talking points. 😂 Your hypocrisy is mind numbing
Political free board, plz leave your clever quips in your clever mind.
ND sucks
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on June 13, 2020, 08:38:06 AM
LOL
Versus the vastly more intelligent left wing talking points. 😂 Your hypocrisy is mind numbing
👍
Don't listen to outside influences unless it influences you to the right lmao. Same with listen to your elders unless they lean left.
Quote from: jesmu84 on June 13, 2020, 08:23:36 AM
How is one to know which sources/influences are the "right" ones and which are the "wrong" ones?
Use your God given brain, that's how. Apply common sense. Think it through. Look toward a big picture. 5 yrs down the road. 10, 20 yrs. Take the topic of defund police. So, what will emerge from that? Crime will not just disappear. So...no cops, then what? Should there be change within policing? Probably so. Defund? Common sense says that's a loser proposition. Since this is a MU hoops blog, it's like Wojo forgetting the score...loser outcome.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 13, 2020, 09:31:40 AM
The bottom line is, let's hope these kids vote against Trump
explain. The option appears bleak.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on June 13, 2020, 08:35:19 AM
One guess.... the homogeneity of the party in power in every one of the cities that u mention. The have destroyed the american dream
there is a commonality, yes?
Quote from: TSmith34 on June 13, 2020, 09:06:20 AM
Absolutely RIGHT! Professors should NEVER influence students in a certain way. NEVER! Unless it is Professor McAdams. Then it is OK.
not ok. Other examples?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 13, 2020, 09:31:40 AM
The bottom line is, let's hope these kids vote against Trump
Thank you Rico for unintentionally making an incredibly valid point...This is the problem we face in America today...so many Americans suffer from TDS and have HATRED for him, that that's why they will vote against him. It won't be a vote for Biden because you think he'll do a great job(how could anyone), but it will simply be a vote against Trump. That is absolutely the WRONG way to vote, and idc what side your on. You vote for the best candidate...period, not because of hatred or any other bias.
You know the rapidly rising uh umm uh and with uh, with uh..I don't know uh uh...really??
Quote from: muguru on June 12, 2020, 09:52:29 PM
No, help them with the process etc. educate them on voting, maybe some history of it or whatever. But after that let them research and decide on their own..it's like taking a test, you aren't giving them the answers ahead of time. You might tell them what will be on the test, but after that they are on their own. But you do NOT tell them who you think they should vote for, or who you are voting for. One of the most important parts of voting is deciding on your own who the candidate is that you want and why you want them. Don't let anyone/anything influence you. At least at Marquette, if they want to really know about voting etc, send them to Professor McAdams. Though I can't be mad at any college student for not being real educated about politics etc. They are young. Hell, a significant majority of Americans vote for who the mainstream media tells them to because they just aren't educated enough, and have preconceived notions about candidates because of things they hear on TV or read from the many terrible newspapers out there. That's not the way it's supposed to work. You don't vote for a candidate simply because you hate the other one if the person your voting for would be terrible at his job. Sadly, many millions of voters this year will be doing just that. Those people all know that's why they will be doing it to. Makes me ashamed for many of my fellow Americans. That's not how it's supposed to work.
That's a lot of words to say you have an anticipatory fear that more people voting, and more voting holidays will result in your preferred candidate(s) not winning.
Quote from: shoothoops on June 13, 2020, 09:56:32 AM
That's a lot of words to say you have an anticipatory fear that more people voting, and more voting holidays will result in your preferred candidate(s) not winning.
Thank god
Quote from: duanewade on June 13, 2020, 08:59:53 AM
Always good for a program to demonize many of their fans who might not appreciate the assertion of what this vote push is alluding to. In fact many would vehemently disagree with the premise and now might not show up for games to manifest their disgust.
Of course Marquette has been hijacked by leadership that engages in reckless price gouging and expounds teachings closer to Saul Alinksy than St. Ignatius.
It's a push by many, many athletic departments across the country. And it's a great thing.
But I see voter suppression has some very strong support here. A great thing for a democracy!
I honestly have absolutely zero clue how anyone could be against this lol.
Quote from: duanewade on June 13, 2020, 08:59:53 AM
Of course Marquette has been hijacked by leadership that engages in reckless price gouging and expounds teachings closer to Saul Alinksy than St. Ignatius.
You know you've reached the stage of intelligent discourse as soon as Saul Alinsky is mentioned (even if it's spelled Alinksy). It's somehow incomplete and unsatisfying without a Soros mention, though. And, apparently, the evil Bill Gates is a must-mention now, too.
IBTL
Quote from: Marq3332 on June 13, 2020, 09:39:46 AM
Use your God given brain, that's how. Apply common sense. Think it through. Look toward a big picture. 5 yrs down the road. 10, 20 yrs. Take the topic of defund police. So, what will emerge from that? Crime will not just disappear. So...no cops, then what? Should there be change within policing? Probably so. Defund? Common sense says that's a loser proposition. Since this is a MU hoops blog, it's like Wojo forgetting the score...loser outcome.
Now THIS is funny. Got a vocal group of 4 who are crying that people don't educate themselves before voting...and then go and show they have absolutely zero clue whatsoever what defunding the police means.
If you had any idea what it meant you'd realize that it would provide more funds for a number of the issues you find to be a problem that the left ignores. And guess what? There would still be police!
Quote from: MU82 on June 13, 2020, 06:52:21 AM
Thankfully, the vast majority will not choose to be influenced by crotchety old white men whining that America isn't what it used to be in the "good old days," when blacks, women, Hispanics, Jews and various other "others" knew their place.
Actually ... that's probably not true. When they hear those crotchety old white men whining, the young people, very smartly, will be influenced to vote the other way.
Some seriously racist stuff here. This thread needs to be shut down.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 13, 2020, 10:03:59 AM
Now THIS is funny. Got a vocal group of 4 who are crying that people don't educate themselves before voting...and then go and show they have absolutely zero clue whatsoever what defunding the police means.
If you had any idea what it meant you'd realize that it would provide more funds for a number of the issues you find to be a problem that the left ignores. And guess what? There would still be police!
Now this right here folks is your example of someone that listens to the mainstream media, and just says "yeah ok, sounds good", without actually knowing himself what it truly means, yet lectures others on what it supposedly means...but sit down and learn, this will be a quick course on what defunding the police REALLY means...what follows are actually quotes, not something I made up and it appeared as an op-ed in the failed New York times( a newspaper a lot of you use for your "info" or sources similar) so here we go..
Quote #1...Anti-criminalization activist Mariame Kaba attempted to settle the debate with the op-ed,
"Yes, we mean literally abolish the police."Quote #2..."But don't get me wrong. We are not abandoning our communities to violence.
We don't want to just close police departments. We want to make them obsolete."
Quote #3...She continued,
"People like me who want to abolish prisons and police, however, have a vision of a different society, built on cooperation instead of individualism, on mutual aid instead of self-preservation... When the streets calm and people suggest once again that we hire more black police officers or create more civilian review boards, I hope that we remember all the times those efforts have failed."
You are now educated and hopefully will no longer yield all your "senses" to the liberal mainstream media that have the letter "C" in their names.
Quote from: muguru on June 13, 2020, 10:54:07 AM
Now this right here folks is your example of someone that listens to the mainstream media, and just says "yeah ok, sounds good", without actually knowing himself what it truly means, yet lectures others on what it supposedly means...but sit down and learn, this will be a quick course on what defunding the police REALLY means...what follows are actually quotes, not something I made up and it appeared as an op-ed in the failed New York times( a newspaper a lot of you use for your "info" or sources similar) so here we go..
Quote #1...Anti-criminalization activist Mariame Kaba attempted to settle the debate with the op-ed, "Yes, we mean literally abolish the police."
Quote #2..."But don't get me wrong. We are not abandoning our communities to violence. We don't want to just close police departments. We want to make them obsolete."
Quote #3...She continued, "People like me who want to abolish prisons and police, however, have a vision of a different society, built on cooperation instead of individualism, on mutual aid instead of self-preservation... When the streets calm and people suggest once again that we hire more black police officers or create more civilian review boards, I hope that we remember all the times those efforts have failed."
You are now educated and hopefully will no longer yield all your "senses" to the liberal mainstream media that have the letter "C" in their names.
What's it like always being wrong?
Quote from: wadesworld on June 13, 2020, 10:03:59 AM
Now THIS is funny. Got a vocal group of 4 who are crying that people don't educate themselves before voting...and then go and show they have absolutely zero clue whatsoever what defunding the police means.
If you had any idea what it meant you'd realize that it would provide more funds for a number of the issues you find to be a problem that the left ignores. And guess what? There would still be police!
Oh no, they absolutely do not ignore them, not in the least, in fact they are all for throwing more taxpayer dollars at these farcical liberal social programs that absolutely fit there socialistic platform. ""if it's free, it's for me"!
Quote from: WhiteTrash on June 13, 2020, 10:06:19 AM
Some seriously racist stuff here. This thread needs to be shut down.
Yes, I'm a racist against crotchety, old, white, male, whiny racists. You got me!
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on June 13, 2020, 08:38:06 AM
LOL
Versus the vastly more intelligent left wing talking points. 😂 Your hypocrisy is mind numbing
Political free board, plz leave your clever quips in your clever mind.
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 13, 2020, 11:02:31 AM
Political free board, plz leave your clever quips in your clever mind.
Knit doesn't understand what you're doing here. Part of his ethos is to deny to others what he demands for himself. A feature, not a bug.
Quote from: muguru on June 13, 2020, 08:30:10 AM
Obviously you have ZERO respect for Grandma and grandpa who laid the foundation for our country. I'm not surprised you don't however. Young people are mindless minions that have too many terrible influences in their lives(see.. equally mindless, uneducated parents) with a mindset that "if it's free it's for me", unfortunately and disgustingly, that is why they will vote the other way. Great way to "educate" our youth today...NOT.
I love my dearly departed grandparents. Their political thoughts were....something.
Progress is progress. Society moves on leaving people who look backward behind.
Quote from: Oldgym on June 13, 2020, 11:12:31 AM
Knit doesn't understand what you're doing here. Part of his ethos is to deny to others what he demands for himself. A feature, not a bug.
I'm just amazed he was able to post a sentence without a spelling or grammatical error.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on June 13, 2020, 11:13:18 AM
I'm just amazed he was able to post a sentence without a spelling or grammatical error.
Good point. Progress.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on June 13, 2020, 11:13:18 AM
I'm just amazed he was able to post a sentence without a spelling or grammatical error.
Like Biden.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on June 13, 2020, 11:18:09 AM
Like Biden.
Now this is really something...but not at all unusual. SMH that so many people want him to run our country...that tells you all you need to know.
https://twitter.com/NickAdamsinUSA/status/1271133893530451968?s=20
Quote from: muguru on June 13, 2020, 07:57:03 AM
Wrong...you can say all you want they don't push agendas and influence students in a certain way, but that is absolute fact that they do and in fact, is one of our biggest issues with institutes of "higher" learning these days. They may not always do it in blatantly obvious ways, but believe me, they do do it.
People should show more respect for some of the greatest citizens we have on this earth..our wonderful senior citizens. If more people listened to them, or at least a vast majority of them, we'd all be wiser for it. They "get" it. They've been around, on this earth a long time, they know what's up. Students/young people...a message for you...if you don't know about something, or who to vote for..Have a nice long talk with Grandma and grandpa..I would feel MUCH better about the direction they would typically lead you in then any of your Coaches/professors, mom and dad and certainly friends will. You will also learn a lot about hard work and dedication and earning what you get, as opposed to being given things for free which is really a disgusting paradigm that leaves you left behind in the long run
Silly generalization.
Quote from: muguru on June 13, 2020, 10:54:07 AM
Now this right here folks is your example of someone that listens to the mainstream media, and just says "yeah ok, sounds good", without actually knowing himself what it truly means, yet lectures others on what it supposedly means...but sit down and learn, this will be a quick course on what defunding the police REALLY means...what follows are actually quotes, not something I made up and it appeared as an op-ed in the failed New York times( a newspaper a lot of you use for your "info" or sources similar) so here we go..
Quote #1...Anti-criminalization activist Mariame Kaba attempted to settle the debate with the op-ed, "Yes, we mean literally abolish the police."
Quote #2..."But don't get me wrong. We are not abandoning our communities to violence. We don't want to just close police departments. We want to make them obsolete."
Quote #3...She continued, "People like me who want to abolish prisons and police, however, have a vision of a different society, built on cooperation instead of individualism, on mutual aid instead of self-preservation... When the streets calm and people suggest once again that we hire more black police officers or create more civilian review boards, I hope that we remember all the times those efforts have failed."
You are now educated and hopefully will no longer yield all your "senses" to the liberal mainstream media that have the letter "C" in their names.
Lol. You are the definition of ignorance is bliss.
I celebrate those making arguments that are antithetical to democracy. Good practice for when someone makes that argument in person.
Poll tax? Scoop needs a troll tax.
Quote from: tower912 on June 13, 2020, 11:28:12 AM
Every senior citizen I am related to and still living votes straight d. Silly generalization.
If everyone listens to what our seniors are saying, Biden will soundly beat Trump. 65+ voters in May were going for Biden by a 10-point margin nationally.
https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=3661
Lottsa golf yet ta bee played, aina?
It there is an election, aina?
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 13, 2020, 11:41:54 AM
If everyone listens to what our seniors are saying, Biden will soundly beat Trump. 65+ voters in May were going for Biden by a 10-point margin nationally.
https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=3661
All people need to remember is what the polls said back in 2016, the day before the election..had Hillary SOUNDLY beating Trump and news shows saying "it's going to be impossible for Trump to win this election". Oops! Point being, no matter what the polls say, they need to be taken with a HUGE grain of salt as they are easily manipulated by the demographic they are polling. I get calls regularly for polls on the election, do you think I tell them what I am actually going to do?? Nope, I give them what they want to hear. I suspect there is a lot of that that happens both ways. Polls are incredibly easy to manipulate. Lots and lots of people lying in the weeds, just like 2016.
Quote from: MU82 on June 13, 2020, 10:59:29 AM
Yes, I'm a racist against crotchety, old, white, male, whiny racists. You got me!
Thank you for making my point.
You are a hateful person. There was an old white man who freed the slaves and he was a Republican that fought the Democrats to do so. The KKK is a group of Democrats who hate blacks and Catholics.
Judge people on thier actions and words and don't generalize them based on color or age.
The first time I heard the term "wet back" was from a black man who genuinely hated Hispanic people. There are ignorante A holes everywhere.
Sorry but can't keep quiet any longer. The amount of racism that is spewed here from Muguru, Marq3332, Mr Sand-Knit, duanewade (a troll no MU affiliation), Whitetrash, Herman Cain (don't know if he is a troll, comedian, or just ignorant). And don't give me the crap that I don't personally know you, unfortunately I've known racism for a long time and it is easy to spot. Most racists think of themselves as non racist, fair people, most can't see truth more than one inch from their eyes.
Quote from: muguru on June 13, 2020, 11:48:15 AM
All people need to remember is what the polls said back in 2016, the day before the election..had Hillary SOUNDLY beating Trump and news shows saying "it's going to be impossible for Trump to win this election". Oops! Point being, no matter what the polls say, they need to be taken with a HUGE grain of salt as they are easily manipulated by the demographic they are polling. I get calls regularly for polls on the election, do you think I tell them what I am actually going to do?? Nope, I give them what they want to hear. I suspect there is a lot of that that happens both ways. Polls are incredibly easy to manipulate. Lots and lots of people lying in the weeds, just like 2016.
People like you are easy to manipulate.
Quote from: Marq3332 on June 13, 2020, 09:46:20 AM
not ok. Other examples?
ALWAYS listen to your grandparents, the ones that BUILT this country. ALWYAS, ALWAYS! Unless they don't tell you the RIGHT thing! Then ignore them!
Quote from: muguru on June 13, 2020, 10:58:31 AM
Oh no, they absolutely do not ignore them, not in the least, in fact they are all for throwing more taxpayer dollars at these farcical liberal social programs that absolutely fit there socialistic platform. ""if it's free, it's for me"!
That's RIGHT! YES, YES, YES! Get rid of the evil liberal social programs. STOP throwing taxpayers dollars at social security, STOP giving tax money to the armed services. SOCIALIST MARINES! STOP spending money on farcical FIREMEN! Farmers? SOCIALISTS I think you mean!
Quote from: WhiteTrash on June 13, 2020, 11:49:16 AM
Thank you for making my point.
You are a hateful person. There was an old white man who freed the slaves and he was a Republican that fought the Democrats to do so. The KKK is a group of Democrats who hate blacks and Catholics.
Judge people on thier actions and words and don't generalize them based on color or age.
The first time I heard the term "wet back" was from a black man who genuinely hated Hispanic people. There are ignorante A holes everywhere.
Well said. What's really funny AF is MU82 taking offense the the personality trait of "whiny." Special kind of irony right there.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 13, 2020, 11:35:05 AM
Lol. You are the definition of ignorance is bliss.
Does bliss mean frothing anger?
Quote from: WhiteTrash on June 13, 2020, 11:49:16 AM
The KKK is a group of Democrats who hate blacks and Catholics.
I don't think I've ever heard this take before.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on June 13, 2020, 11:49:16 AMThere was an old white man who freed the slaves and he was a Republican that fought the Democrats to do so. The KKK is a group of Democrats who hate blacks and Catholics.
When you have to go back 157 years to find the last time your party tried to help an oppressed people, it's a pretty good sign you're on the side of the oppressor, not the oppressed.
Quote from: TSmith34 on June 13, 2020, 12:42:45 PM
I don't think I've ever heard this take before.
Wear due Jews and Gays factor inta da hole Triple K thang, hey?
Quote from: wadesworld on June 04, 2020, 10:45:37 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CBCVhJFBlRy/?igshid=15q6ll8hlxyj7
Love this movement going around college basketball/sports. We need to be on the right side of history and not repeat our mistakes as a country. Raise awareness for the cause, have the student athletes educate themselves on the difference their vote/voice can make. Take it all in.
And back the topic of the thread. This is great. Recently, a college football team took a day from practice to in part register 62 people to vote. This is a good movement across the country. 👍
nm
This thread is really something.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 13, 2020, 12:52:10 PM
Scoops's leading high school dunker/white supremacist has spoken.
Hey, but he could dunk
Quote from: shoothoops on June 13, 2020, 12:50:14 PM
And back the topic of the thread. This is great. Recently, a college football team took a day from practice to in part register 62 people to vote. This is a good movement across the country. 👍
Agree 100%. Election Day should be a national holiday.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 13, 2020, 01:06:45 PM
Agree 100%. Election Day should be a national holiday.
I'd say holiday weekend. There will always be people who have to work, even on a national holiday, so make it Saturday-Monday to improve the odds that everyone gets a chance to cast their ballot.
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 13, 2020, 01:29:44 PM
I'd say holiday weekend. There will always be people who have to work, even on a national holiday, so make it Saturday-Monday to improve the odds that everyone gets a chance to cast their ballot.
That would be great.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on June 13, 2020, 12:32:16 PM
Well said. What's really funny AF is MU82 taking offense the the personality trait of "whiny." Special kind of irony right there.
What's REALLY funny "AF" is an old white man that used to dunk on people left and right in high school saying "AF" over and over and over. I think the group of people that say "AF" in this World are 6th-8th grade girls...and Ners. Funny AF I tell ya.
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 13, 2020, 01:29:44 PM
I'd say holiday weekend. There will always be people who have to work, even on a national holiday, so make it Saturday-Monday to improve the odds that everyone gets a chance to cast their ballot.
Probably a better idea. Sadly, one political party wants to suppress voter turnout
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 13, 2020, 01:29:44 PM
I'd say holiday weekend. There will always be people who have to work, even on a national holiday, so make it Saturday-Monday to improve the odds that everyoneDems/deceased/illegals gets a chance to cast their several ballot. ballots
FIFY
Quote from: muguru on June 13, 2020, 01:50:20 PM
FIFY
Lol the comedic value you provide on here is incredible. Please keep going.
Quote from: TSmith34 on June 13, 2020, 12:42:45 PM
I don't think I've ever heard this take before.
That's because you typify the example of not listening to the right people Tony. Start listening to those who really know, you'll learn more.
Quote from: muguru on June 13, 2020, 01:50:20 PM
FIFY
If you did the research and got out of your bubble, you'd find voter fraud is very rare.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on June 13, 2020, 11:49:16 AM
Thank you for making my point.
You are a hateful person. There was an old white man who freed the slaves and he was a Republican that fought the Democrats to do so. The KKK is a group of Democrats who hate blacks and Catholics.
Show me one place in my post where I said a thing about Democrats or Republicans. Interesting that you read "crotchety, old, white, male, whiny racists" and immediately think "Republicans!"
And please show me proof that the post-1970 KKK are Democrats. David Duke LOVES Trump. LOVES him! As do Jason Kessler, Richard Spencer and all the other Republican KKKlansmen. This just in:"Dixiecrats" haven't been around for decades.
Yep, Lincoln was a Republican. Do you know what today's Republicans would call him? A commie lib lefty socialist. Hell, a lot of today's Republicans would call Reagan that.
Judge people on thier actions and words and don't generalize them based on color or age.
Agree. That's why I'm glad you agree with every single thing I've ever said about Trump.
The first time I heard the term "wet back" was from a black man who genuinely hated Hispanic people. There are ignorante A holes everywhere.
That's good stuff. But at least you got away with using a racist slur.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on June 13, 2020, 12:32:16 PM
Well said. What's really funny AF is MU82 taking offense the the personality trait of "whiny." Special kind of irony right there.
Please deliver another lecture about how black folks bring it all on themselves. Maybe you can then send it to your emperor. He'd be happy AF about it.
This country will split apart sooner rather than later. The divide is too profound and gets bigger by the day.
Hopefully it's peaceful and bloodless as various groups of states split off to form new countries that best represent the type of economies, governments and values that different groups of people want to live under.
Quote from: muguru on June 13, 2020, 01:50:20 PM
FIFY
Voter fraud isn't just rare, it's incredibly difficult for a low value offense. So you expect people to what, forge documentation of a dead person, file a change of address for said dead person, all so they can get a ballot, accurately forge said dead person's signature, fill it out, and send it back? For ONE vote? It doesn't make any sense. The value isn't remotely worth the effort to get one vote. If you really think about it, the idea of widespread voter fraud is preposterous.
No, what I want is free and fair elections that encourage all Americans of voting age to cast a ballot. I can't imagine why anyone would not want the same. It would also encourage BOTH parties to run on platforms that broadly benefited everyone, not just an ardent minority.
Quote from: MU82 on June 13, 2020, 02:20:20 PM
That's good stuff. But at least you got away with using a racist slur.
You are a hateful person.
Sorry for you that you don't see loving and wonderful people of all colors and ages.
BTW, i don't like Democrats or Republicans. They're all hypocrites.
Anybody know why the season is starting a week later? Thanksgiving later? Pandemic?
Quote from: muguru on June 13, 2020, 01:58:54 PM
That's because you typify the example of not listening to the right people Tony. Start listening to those who really know, you'll learn more.
You mean racists
Quote from: duanewade on June 13, 2020, 02:26:14 PM
This country will split apart sooner rather than later. The divide is too profound and gets bigger by the day.
Hopefully it's peaceful and bloodless as various groups of states split off to form new countries that best represent the type of economies, governments and values that different groups of people want to live under.
Enjoy your confederacy tantamount to treason but it fits you right
Quote from: WhiteTrash on June 13, 2020, 02:33:29 PM
You are a hateful person.
Sorry for you that you don't see loving and wonderful people of all colors and ages.
BTW, i don't like Democrats or Republicans. They're all hypocrites.
I'm not even a little "hateful." I mean, read the angry, frothing-at-the-mouth posts in this thread ... and none of them are mine. But I admit that I do get called "hateful" every so often by supporters of the most hateful president of our lifetimes, usually because I express my disgust in him. I can live with that.
Enjoy the rest of your weekend. Peace.
Quote from: duanewade on June 13, 2020, 02:26:14 PM
This country will split apart sooner rather than later. The divide is too profound and gets bigger by the day.
Hopefully it's peaceful and bloodless as various groups of states split off to form new countries that best represent the type of economies, governments and values that different groups of people want to live under.
There are several that occupy both coasts that if they split off, would be cause for massive celebration around the rest of the country.
Quote from: duanewade on June 13, 2020, 02:26:14 PM
This country will split apart sooner rather than later. The divide is too profound and gets bigger by the day.
Hopefully it's peaceful and bloodless as various groups of states split off to form new countries that best represent the type of economies, governments and values that different groups of people want to live under.
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Quote from: brewcity77 on June 13, 2020, 02:30:05 PM
Voter fraud isn't just rare, it's incredibly difficult for a low value offense. So you expect people to what, forge documentation of a dead person, file a change of address for said dead person, all so they can get a ballot, accurately forge said dead person's signature, fill it out, and send it back? For ONE vote? It doesn't make any sense. The value isn't remotely worth the effort to get one vote. If you really think about it, the idea of widespread voter fraud is preposterous.
No, what I want is free and fair elections that encourage all Americans of voting age to cast a ballot. I can't imagine why anyone would not want the same. It would also encourage BOTH parties to run on platforms that broadly benefited everyone, not just an ardent minority.
Or perhaps it just involves showing up and saying you're someone still on an outdated voter roll in a non-voter ID state (i.e.: Illinois, California) who has died or moved away and in turn allows one person to vote multiple times and in turn violate the sanctity of a fair and honest election. Such fraud would completely diminish one person's right to think and vote differently than someone else in a one vote per person country that claims to be a democracy.
There is a old saying that you're entitled to you own opinions but not your own facts.
Quote from: duanewade on June 13, 2020, 02:56:48 PM
Or perhaps it just involves showing up and saying you're someone still on outdated voter roll in a non-voter ID state (i.e.: Illinois, California) who has died or moved away and in turn allows one person to vote multiple times and in turn violate the sanctity of a fair and honest election. Such fraud would completely diminish one person's right to think and vote differently than someone else in a one vote per person country that claims to be a democracy.
There is a old saying that you're entitled to you own opinions but not your own facts.
Going...going..gone! That one is way way way out of here. Another one that just owned the libs! Well done Duane.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 13, 2020, 02:53:10 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzNhaLUT520
Quote from: muguru on June 13, 2020, 02:59:33 PM
Going...going..gone! That one is way way way out of here. Another one that just owned the libs! Well done Duane.
He's wrong. You're wrong, too. Again.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 13, 2020, 03:08:30 PM
He's wrong. You're wrong, too. Again.
Nope..all you need to do is look it up Rico, I know that might be a difficult thing for someone like you to know how to do, but, it's out there. You can keep saying we are wrong, but that would be a lie. Something you know all about from your side of the aisle. They are masters at it. At least you have learned that.
Here...I did the work for you..it was fun exposing you, there's absolutely no way of you weaseling your way out of this one, it's all right here in front of you
https://www.ktvu.com/news/loophole-could-allow-double-voting-in-california-primary-election and...that's Ballgame
Quote from: muguru on June 13, 2020, 03:18:29 PM
Nope..all you need to do is look it up Rico, I know that might be a difficult thing for someone like you to know how to do, but, it's out there. You can keep saying we are wrong, but that would be a lie. Something you know all about from your side of the aisle. They are masters at it. At least you have learned that.
Here...I did the work for you..it was fun exposing you, there's absolutely no way of you weaseling your way out of this one, it's all right here in front of you
https://www.ktvu.com/news/loophole-could-allow-double-voting-in-california-primary-election Ballgame
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/debunking-voter-fraud-myth
Here's a study from Republican lawyers
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_1139085
Maybe expand your worldview beyond Mark Belling and you'll learn something. You might even be able to learn how to write a sentence!
But back to the original topic, it's great Marquette is working to get students to vote in November. Proud of the school!
Quote from: duanewade on June 13, 2020, 02:56:48 PMThere is a old saying that you're entitled to you own opinions but not your own facts.
I don't disagree, but the facts are that voter fraud is incredibly rare and not remotely worth the effort for the payoff.
The more important part, though, is the part you ignored. The part about both parties having to create platforms that appeal to a broad majority.
Expanding time and creating a national holiday wouldn't be a move to increase fraud, it would be strictly to increase turnout. Shouldn't everyone want every legal aged voter to have the chance to vote?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 13, 2020, 03:25:12 PM
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/debunking-voter-fraud-myth
Here's a study from Republican lawyers
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_1139085
Maybe expand your worldview beyond Mark Belling and you'll learn something. You might even be able to learn how to write a sentence!
I just pummeled you so badly, you deflected it, as you usually do...Outstanding!! And when you use sources like the Huffington Post & Brennan Center for anything...you have ZERO credibility(not that you ever had even a shred of it). This ball game is over 8-)
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 13, 2020, 03:32:17 PM
I don't disagree, but the facts are that voter fraud is incredibly rare and not remotely worth the effort for the payoff.
The more important part, though, is the part you ignored. The part about both parties having to create platforms that appeal to a broad majority.
Expanding time and creating a national holiday wouldn't be a move to increase fraud, it would be strictly to increase turnout. Shouldn't everyone want every legal aged voter to have the chance to vote?
One would think
Quote from: tower912 on June 13, 2020, 06:29:58 AM
Guru isn't wrong. I voted for Reagan in 84 to impress a girl. We all do stupid crap.
To his larger point, there are a near infinite number of potential influencers out there. Like everyone else, the young people will hear a lot of them and then choose.
probaly could of just said you voted for him eh?
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 13, 2020, 03:32:17 PM
I don't disagree, but the facts are that voter fraud is incredibly rare and not remotely worth the effort for the payoff.
The more important part, though, is the part you ignored. The part about both parties having to create platforms that appeal to a broad majority.
Expanding time and creating a national holiday wouldn't be a move to increase fraud, it would be strictly to increase turnout. Shouldn't everyone want every legal aged voter to have the chance to vote?
They have every chance...November 3rd, they go to the polls like everyone else can. That's the day, everyone knows that. There shouldn't be more time needed, for what?? If voting is important enough to someone, you make time to do it, on November 3rd.
Quote from: muguru on June 13, 2020, 03:34:02 PM
I just pummeled you so badly, you deflected it, as you usually do...Outstanding!! And when you use sources like the Huffington Post & Brennan Center for anything...you have ZERO credibility(not that you ever had even a shred of it). This ball game is over 8-)
You obviously didn't read the links. I'm not surprised. If you would have, you could link to dozens of articles, research papers and studies(including those by Republicans) that prove the notion of voter fraud being minuscule and not compromising a single election.
Educate yourself.
Poll Tax solves all the electoral ID problems. ID submitted at time of tax payment. Poll machine configured similar to ATM, person comes in and inputs One of several ID methods ( social security, drivers license, Other State ID etc) , ballot Prints out, ballot is voted and then resubmitted to the machine .
$100 annually a voter. Those who cannot afford it will be able to receive payments from political parties. Political parties will love it because they get a more efficient way to communicate their message.
165 million people voted, Poll Tax mechanism raises $16. 5 Billion a year. Enough to fully fund the automated system and qualified people to run it. The remainder is given back as a dividend to reduce national debt.
Quote from: muguru on June 13, 2020, 03:36:28 PM
They have every chance...November 3rd, they go to the polls like everyone else can. That's the day, everyone knows that. There shouldn't be more time needed, for what?? If voting is important enough to someone, you make time to do it, on November 3rd.
Then make it a national holiday, right? So everyone has the chance? Because people have to work, they have childcare obligations, and not everyone has an equal ability to carve time out of their schedule on a weekday workday schoolday.
There's no reasonable objection to that. And expanding the time only makes sense, unless you would rather expand vote by mail & absentee voting for people that don't have the schedule flexibility.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 13, 2020, 03:29:00 PM
But back to the original topic, it's great Marquette is working to get students to vote in November. Proud of the school!
Me too, Rico.
In fact, I'd vote this as the best post of the day. And I'd vote for it multiple times!
Quote from: Herman Cain on June 13, 2020, 03:38:56 PM
Poll Tax solves all the electoral ID problems. ID submitted at time of tax payment. Poll machine configured similar to ATM, person comes in and inputs One of several ID methods ( social security, drivers license, Other State ID etc) , ballot Prints out, ballot is voted and then resubmitted to the machine .
$100 annually a voter. Those who cannot afford it will be able to receive payments from political parties. Political parties will love it because they get a more efficient way to communicate their message.
165 million people voted, Poll Tax mechanism raises $16. 5 Billion a year. Enough to fully fund the automated system and qualified people to run it. The remainder is given back as a dividend to reduce national debt.
The 24th Amendment prohibits poll taxes. Good luck
Quote from: MU82 on June 13, 2020, 03:41:14 PM
Me too, Rico.
In fact, I'd vote this as the best post of the day. And I'd vote for it multiple times!
Sadly, some people want to make it harder to vote and exercise their rights as American citizens.
Honest question for those who think one weekday for voting is sufficient, at what point does absentee, early voting, and vote by mail become too much? I mean, Donald Trump himself votes by mail, so I assume some voting by mail is okay. But at what point do you invalidate an election?
2%? 5%? 10%?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 13, 2020, 03:42:14 PM
The 24th Amendment prohibits poll taxes. Good luck
He's just trolling.
Quote from: duanewade on June 13, 2020, 02:56:48 PM
Or perhaps it just involves showing up and saying you're someone still on an outdated voter roll in a non-voter ID state (i.e.: Illinois, California) who has died or moved away and in turn allows one person to vote multiple times and in turn violate the sanctity of a fair and honest election. Such fraud would completely diminish one person's right to think and vote differently than someone else in a one vote per person country that claims to be a democracy.
There is a old saying that you're entitled to you own opinions but not your own facts.
Amazing how low IQ racists stick together.
https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2018-01-10/trump-commision-on-election-integrity-found-no-evidence-of-voter-fraud
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 13, 2020, 03:47:25 PM
Honest question for those who think one weekday for voting is sufficient, at what point does absentee, early voting, and vote by mail become too much? I mean, Donald Trump himself votes by mail, so I assume some voting by mail is okay. But at what point do you invalidate an election?
2%? 5%? 10%?
Oh, that one's easy.
Trump and all his sycophants = 100% OK to vote by mail.
Everybody else = 0% OK.
Duh.
What I have learned here is that those crying about uninformed people voting seem to be incredibly uninformed. Ironic.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 13, 2020, 03:42:14 PM
The 24th Amendment prohibits poll taxes. Good luck
I know, I think it was a bad amendment. Almost as bad as the 16th amendment.
With the technology today a high quality voter system could have been built. Would actually engage people in the process .
US is still the best country in the world and the free enterprise system is the best way to secure everyone's freedom.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 13, 2020, 03:37:59 PM
You obviously didn't read the links. I'm not surprised. If you would have, you could link to dozens of articles, research papers and studies(including those by Republicans) that prove the notion of voter fraud being minuscule and not compromising a single election.
Educate yourself.
And this is the least surprising thing ever...you saying it's okay to commit voter fraud as long as it doesn't compromise an election, why am I not the least bit surprised you would take this stance. Typical from a left wing whack job. You know what really exposes your hypocrisy?? The fact that when it comes to student athletes being compensated you scream about the fact that you believe in Capitalism, and yet you vote for the party who's platform promotes and encourages socialism. ?-(
Quote from: muguru on June 13, 2020, 03:18:29 PM
Nope..all you need to do is look it up Rico, I know that might be a difficult thing for someone like you to know how to do, but, it's out there. You can keep saying we are wrong, but that would be a lie. Something you know all about from your side of the aisle. They are masters at it. At least you have learned that.
Here...I did the work for you..it was fun exposing you, there's absolutely no way of you weaseling your way out of this one, it's all right here in front of you
https://www.ktvu.com/news/loophole-could-allow-double-voting-in-california-primary-election and...that's Ballgame
More low IQ crap
https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2018-01-10/trump-commision-on-election-integrity-found-no-evidence-of-voter-fraud
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 13, 2020, 03:40:58 PM
Then make it a national holiday, right? So everyone has the chance? Because people have to work, they have childcare obligations, and not everyone has an equal ability to carve time out of their schedule on a weekday workday schoolday.
There's no reasonable objection to that. And expanding the time only makes sense, unless you would rather expand vote by mail & absentee voting for people that don't have the schedule flexibility.
The law says your employer has to let you leave to go vote. They cannot stop you, nor can you face backlash for doing so. Absolutely HELL no to voting by mail either.
Quote from: muguru on June 13, 2020, 03:59:41 PM
The law says your employer has to let you leave to go vote. They cannot stop you, nor can you face backlash for doing so. Absolutely HELL no to voting by mail either.
As I said above, POTUS himself votes by mail. So what's your answer?
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 13, 2020, 03:47:25 PM
Honest question for those who think one weekday for voting is sufficient, at what point does absentee, early voting, and vote by mail become too much? I mean, Donald Trump himself votes by mail, so I assume some voting by mail is okay. But at what point do you invalidate an election?
2%? 5%? 10%?
quintessential guru
AKA voter suppression is how my party wins elections so anything that allows people a fair chance to vote is a HELL no. White people with money run this country and that's how it needs to be! 'Murica!
Quote from: muguru on June 13, 2020, 03:59:41 PM
The law says your employer has to let you leave to go vote. They cannot stop you, nor can you face backlash for doing so. Absolutely HELL no to voting by mail either.
Except for Trump & his press secretary who both gave fraudulent addresses?
I guess the mods get Saturdays off
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on June 13, 2020, 04:08:08 PM
I guess the mods get Saturdays off
Hard to work remotely
Quote from: muguru on June 13, 2020, 03:57:02 PM
And this is the least surprising thing ever...you saying it's okay to commit voter fraud as long as it doesn't compromise an election, why am I not the least bit surprised you would take this stance. Typical from a left wing whack job. You know what really exposes your hypocrisy?? The fact that when it comes to student athletes being compensated you scream about the fact that you believe in Capitalism, and yet you vote for the party who's platform promotes and encourages socialism. ?-(
Quit listening to Mark Belling and educate yourself
Again, in before the lock, congrats to Marquette on this. Sounds like most universities around the nation are doing the same. It's fantastic news
Quote from: Newsdreams on June 13, 2020, 03:57:07 PM
More low IQ crap
https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2018-01-10/trump-commision-on-election-integrity-found-no-evidence-of-voter-fraud
Another deflection!!! This is so so so good! I did not make up the article that was linked ya know?? There were several quotes in it from election officials that say they are powerless to stop multiple voting by individuals in California. That's okay with you, as long as it's not compromising elections?? Incredible. Well..maybe not so much.
Are you and Rico etc, going to keep denying this because you don't want to admit your party specializes in it or what's the deal?? You can run, but you cannot hide...
Brian Kemp, the GOP candidate for governor and current secretary of state in Georgia, is being accused of "voter suppression" because of this law. But a "pending" status does not prevent anyone from voting as long as he or she has a government ID that substantially matches the registration application. In any event, every voter can cast a provisional ballot that will be counted once the registration information is verified.
As the secretary of state told radio host Erick Erickson, there are
75,000 pending voters among a record total of 7 million registered in the state. Of these, 9,224 are minors under 18; 2,935 used a fake address; 3,393 are not citizens, and 5,842 were already registered. So of the 75000 pending voters, 15,000 of them are not even allowed to be registered.
I'm not surprised this isn't a big deal to some.Of the remaining applications, 75 percent submitted erroneous Social Security information. Almost a quarter of those "sloppy forms" came from a registration effort by the New Georgia Project, a group founded in 2014 by Stacey Abrams, the Democratic nominee for governor. Gee, most shocking thing ever...NOTAbrams seems unconcerned about voter integrity, telling a crowd in Jonesboro that the "blue wave" would include "those who are documented and undocumented." She later claimed she didn't mean to imply noncitizens should actually vote.....
Of course she's not concerned.
While journalists have chased down the Georgia rabbit hole, law enforcement and citizen watchdog groups have uncovered serious voter fraud problems that have received almost no national attention.
For example:
In Texas
Court filings by the Texas attorney general reveal
that funding for a voter fraud ring came from the former head of the Texas Democratic Party in Fort Worth.Leticia Sanchez and three other vote "harvesters" have been indicted for allegedly submitting fraudulent absentee ballot applications and then either intercepting the ballots in mailboxes or improperly "assisting" elderly voters in filling out their ballots.
Yup...and dems want mail in voting, wonder why?? Separately, the Texas attorney general has announced he's investigating mailers sent to non-citizens by the state Democratic Party asking them to register using applications that already had the box asking about citizenship checked 'Yes.'" Huh...
In California
California was recently forced to admit that it had mistakenly registered almost 25,000 ineligible voters. The state didn't even realize it was registering noncitizens until a Canadian who is a permanent resident of the U.S. contacted The Los Angeles Times to say he had been improperly registered under the state's new automatic voter registration system. Nah, not in California, perhaps the most heavily democratic State in the US..never happenIn a letter calling for an audit, Democratic Secretary of State Alex Padilla admitted that such "persistent errors" will "undermine public confidence."
In Pennsylvania
Over a 20-year-period, Pennsylvania Department of Motor Vehicles officials have allowed thousands of noncitizens to register to vote and many have actually voted. Again, what a complete shocker...NOT
After state officials withheld documents from the Public Interest Legal Foundation (PILF) and even state legislators with oversight authority detailing this mess, the PILF sued to enforce a federal disclosure law. After months of litigation, state election officials are still concealing the information that no one in the media seems interested in uncovering.
In Michigan
PILF found that Michigan lacks a system to keep false citizenship claims from being accepted during voter registration. The group's preliminary study of the Detroit metro area found at least 1,444 non-citizens have been registered to vote in recent years.
PILF has also found thousands of non-citizens – many of whom have voted – on voter rolls in other jurisdictions, including New Jersey, Illinois and numerous sanctuary cities.
In states around the U.S., major problems with our voter registration systems have been tolerated for years. A 2012 report by the Pew Center on the States found that more than 1.8 million dead people were registered to vote and 2.75 million people were registered in more than one state.The Pew report found that 24 million registrations were either invalid or inaccurate, making the registration systems vulnerable to fraud.
Despite this abysmal record, the Justice Department under President Obama decided it wouldn't take any action to enforce a federal law that requires states to maintain accurate voter rolls by regularly removing ineligible voters And people really don't think he was the most corrupt President in history?? This is just one of many things.When the 2002 Help America Vote Act passed Congress with bipartisan support in the aftermath of the 2000 election debacle in Florida, it's co-author – Democratic Sen. Chris Dodd of Connecticut – declared the goal of our laws should be to "make it easy to vote and hard to cheat."
Indeed, there is no reason why we can't pursue both goals.
But the media aren't doing our democracy any favors by summarily dismissing the existence of voter fraud – like the almost 1,200 proven cases in the Heritage Foundation's election fraud database – while questioning the very need for accurate voter rolls. Aka as CNN, MSNBC, NY times, Washington Post, the list goes on and on.
But I guess all these things indicate there is very little voter fraud that goes on, and guys like Rico and news actually have no problems with it! Talk about being uneducated and having your heads being buried in the sand...Deflection incoming 8-)
Quote from: muguru on June 13, 2020, 04:16:42 PM
Another deflection!!!
The main deflection is you ignoring my question again. How much vote by mail, early voting, and absentee voting is okay for the election results to be valid?
Quote from: muguru on June 13, 2020, 04:16:42 PM
Another deflection!!! This is so so so good! I did not make up the article that was linked ya know?? There were several quotes in it from election officials that say they are powerless to stop multiple voting by individuals in California. That's okay with you, as long as it's not compromising elections?? Incredible. Well..maybe not so much.
Are you and Rico etc, going to keep denying this because you don't want to admit your party specializes in it or what's the deal?? You can run, but you cannot hide...
Brian Kemp, the GOP candidate for governor and current secretary of state in Georgia, is being accused of "voter suppression" because of this law. But a "pending" status does not prevent anyone from voting as long as he or she has a government ID that substantially matches the registration application. In any event, every voter can cast a provisional ballot that will be counted once the registration information is verified.
As the secretary of state told radio host Erick Erickson, there are 75,000 pending voters among a record total of 7 million registered in the state. Of these, 9,224 are minors under 18; 2,935 used a fake address; 3,393 are not citizens, and 5,842 were already registered. So of the 75000 pending voters, 15,000 of them are not even allowed to be registered. I'm not surprised this isn't a big deal to some.
Of the remaining applications, 75 percent submitted erroneous Social Security information. Almost a quarter of those "sloppy forms" came from a registration effort by the New Georgia Project, a group founded in 2014 by Stacey Abrams, the Democratic nominee for governor. Gee, most shocking thing ever...NOT
Abrams seems unconcerned about voter integrity, telling a crowd in Jonesboro that the "blue wave" would include "those who are documented and undocumented." She later claimed she didn't mean to imply noncitizens should actually vote.....Of course she's not concerned.
While journalists have chased down the Georgia rabbit hole, law enforcement and citizen watchdog groups have uncovered serious voter fraud problems that have received almost no national attention.
For example:
In Texas
Court filings by the Texas attorney general reveal that funding for a voter fraud ring came from the former head of the Texas Democratic Party in Fort Worth.
Leticia Sanchez and three other vote "harvesters" have been indicted for allegedly submitting fraudulent absentee ballot applications and then either intercepting the ballots in mailboxes or improperly "assisting" elderly voters in filling out their ballots.
Yup...and dems want mail in voting, wonder why??
Separately, the Texas attorney general has announced he's investigating mailers sent to non-citizens by the state Democratic Party asking them to register using applications that already had the box asking about citizenship checked 'Yes.'" Huh...
In California
California was recently forced to admit that it had mistakenly registered almost 25,000 ineligible voters. The state didn't even realize it was registering noncitizens until a Canadian who is a permanent resident of the U.S. contacted The Los Angeles Times to say he had been improperly registered under the state's new automatic voter registration system. Nah, not in California, perhaps the most heavily democratic State in the US..never happen
In a letter calling for an audit, Democratic Secretary of State Alex Padilla admitted that such "persistent errors" will "undermine public confidence."
In Pennsylvania
Over a 20-year-period, Pennsylvania Department of Motor Vehicles officials have allowed thousands of noncitizens to register to vote and many have actually voted. Again, what a complete shocker...NOT
After state officials withheld documents from the Public Interest Legal Foundation (PILF) and even state legislators with oversight authority detailing this mess, the PILF sued to enforce a federal disclosure law. After months of litigation, state election officials are still concealing the information that no one in the media seems interested in uncovering.
In Michigan
PILF found that Michigan lacks a system to keep false citizenship claims from being accepted during voter registration. The group's preliminary study of the Detroit metro area found at least 1,444 non-citizens have been registered to vote in recent years.
PILF has also found thousands of non-citizens – many of whom have voted – on voter rolls in other jurisdictions, including New Jersey, Illinois and numerous sanctuary cities.
In states around the U.S., major problems with our voter registration systems have been tolerated for years. A 2012 report by the Pew Center on the States found that more than 1.8 million dead people were registered to vote and 2.75 million people were registered in more than one state.
The Pew report found that 24 million registrations were either invalid or inaccurate, making the registration systems vulnerable to fraud. Despite this abysmal record, the Justice Department under President Obama decided it wouldn't take any action to enforce a federal law that requires states to maintain accurate voter rolls by regularly removing ineligible voters And people really don't think he was the most corrupt President in history?? This is just one of many things.
When the 2002 Help America Vote Act passed Congress with bipartisan support in the aftermath of the 2000 election debacle in Florida, it's co-author – Democratic Sen. Chris Dodd of Connecticut – declared the goal of our laws should be to "make it easy to vote and hard to cheat."
Indeed, there is no reason why we can't pursue both goals. But the media aren't doing our democracy any favors by summarily dismissing the existence of voter fraud – like the almost 1,200 proven cases in the Heritage Foundation's election fraud database – while questioning the very need for accurate voter rolls. Aka as CNN, MSNBC, NY times, Washington Post, the list goes on and on.
But I guess all these things indicate there is very little voter fraud that goes on, and guys like Rico and news actually have no problems with it! Talk about being uneducated and having your heads being buried in the sand...Deflection incoming 8-)
Thanks for posting this research report. The reality is there is incredible voter fraud in this country.
Quote from: Herman Cain on June 13, 2020, 04:19:02 PM
Thanks for posting this research report. The reality is there is incredible voter fraud in this country.
No, there isn't
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 13, 2020, 03:32:17 PM
I don't disagree, but the facts are that voter fraud is incredibly rare and not remotely worth the effort for the payoff.
The more important part, though, is the part you ignored. The part about both parties having to create platforms that appeal to a broad majority.
Expanding time and creating a national holiday wouldn't be a move to increase fraud, it would be strictly to increase turnout. Shouldn't everyone want every legal aged voter to have the chance to vote?
Yet Comey, Strzok, Page and cronies and then the Democratic legislature chose to lock down Washington for 3 years because they were convinced their conspiracy would prove otherwise.
Not according to the president's commission.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on June 13, 2020, 04:23:12 PM
Yet Comey, Strzok, Page and cronies and then the Democratic legislature chose to lock down Washington for 3 years because they were convinced their conspiracy would prove otherwise.
Same question to you, unless, like guru, you are too afraid to answer. How much early, absentee, and by-mail voting is acceptable?
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 13, 2020, 04:18:16 PM
The main deflection is you ignoring my question again. How much vote by mail, early voting, and absentee voting is okay for the election results to be valid?
Look mail in voting would be okay...EXCEPT for this little detail called "clearing your voter rolls" that some states are absolutely refusing to do..why do you think that is?? Shouldn't we all want fair elections?? Why are these states not clearing/purging their voter rolls regularly??
Quote from: muguru on June 13, 2020, 04:25:20 PM
Look mail in voting would be okay...EXCEPT for this little detail called "clearing your voter rolls" that some states are absolutely refusing to do..why do you think that is?? Shouldn't we all want fair elections?? Why are these states not clearing/purging their voter rolls regularly??
Another deflection. Imagine my surprise. ::)
Is Guru a real person or is it just a parody account? Someone trying to destroy Scoop?
I can' believe a real person would actually type this garbage.
Quote from: Herman Cain on June 13, 2020, 04:19:02 PM
Thanks for posting this research report. The reality is there is incredible voter fraud in this country.
Low IQ racists do stick together. Voter fraud is close to 1% and include dear leader and press secretary
What's refreshing about "Win The Day" is, these universities are getting their student athletes involved in voting. Given the large percentage of these athletes being African-American, they should have a loud and proud voice this November. Given the history of our nation doing everything they can for the last 170 years to disenfranchise minorities, this is a reassuring movement
Quote from: Jockey on June 13, 2020, 04:30:15 PM
Is Guru a real person or is it just a parody account? Someone trying to destroy Scoop?
I can' believe a real person would actually type this garbage.
No just a low IQ racist like the other 3 defending him.
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 13, 2020, 04:26:58 PM
Another deflection. Imagine my surprise. ::)
It wasn't deflecting, I told you mail in voting would be okay but states that are heavy Democrat(no coincidence) don't want to purge their rolls, why not??
If you want a %..The military is perfectly acceptable for them to vote absentee...so whatever % that amounts to, overall I lose faith if no more than about 5% are mail in/absentee(excluding the military ballots). To me there are very few good excuses to need to vote mail in. I mean a lot of the same people that vote mail in, would have ZERO problems making down to the local town hall if they were getting free stuff. They'd move so fast it wouldn't even be funny. Reporter: "Why are you here"?? Lady: "to get the money". Reporter: "Who's money"?? Lady:"Obama's money". You can't make stuff like that up...people couldn't get there fast enough to get their hand out, but they can't make it to the voting station on Election day??
Quote from: muguru on June 13, 2020, 04:35:52 PMoverall I lose faith if no more than about 5% are mail in/absentee(excluding the military ballots).
So then we should invalidate the 2016 election. According to Trump's own Election Assistance Commission, over 40% of the ballots from 2016 were early, mail, or absentee.
I'm confident you will now advocate for the swearing in of President Clinton.
https://www.eac.gov/documents/2017/10/17/eavs-deep-dive-early-absentee-and-mail-voting-data-statutory-overview
Quote from: muguru on June 13, 2020, 04:35:52 PM
It wasn't deflecting, I told you mail in voting would be okay but states that are heavy Democrat(no coincidence) don't want to purge their rolls, why not??
If you want a %..The military is perfectly acceptable for them to vote absentee...so whatever % that amounts to, overall I lose faith if no more than about 5% are mail in/absentee(excluding the military ballots). To me there are very few good excuses to need to vote mail in. I mean a lot of the same people that vote mail in, would have ZERO problems making down to the local town hall if they were getting free stuff. They'd move so fast it wouldn't even be funny. Reporter: "Why are you here"?? Lady: "to get the money". Reporter: "Who's money"?? Lady:"Obama's money". You can't make stuff like that up...people couldn't get there fast enough to get their hand out, but they can't make it to the voting station on Election day??
I really feel ashamed that you're a fan of MU BB.
Quote from: Newsdreams on June 13, 2020, 04:35:36 PM
No just a low IQ racist like the other 3 defending him.
I'm posting facts and links, and that makes me a racist and having a low IQ?? I can't help you don't want to accept facts. That has always been hard for left wing whack jobs to do. Hell, you still won't accept the 2016 election results. Find me one thing I have posted that is racist in this thread...you can't, unless you're just trying to imagine it being racist. Nice try though.
Quote from: Jockey on June 13, 2020, 04:30:15 PM
Is Guru a real person or is it just a parody account? Someone trying to destroy Scoop?
I can' believe a real person would actually type this garbage.
typical big time trumpist intellect. what do u expect.
Quote from: Newsdreams on June 13, 2020, 04:39:27 PM
I really feel ashamed that you're a fan of MU BB.
I feel really ashamed that you're an American. It's frankly disgraceful.
Quote from: muguru on June 13, 2020, 04:41:06 PM
I feel really ashamed that you're an American. It's frankly disgraceful.
I feel bad for Marquette alum who have you representing them on message boards.
Quote from: Jockey on June 13, 2020, 04:30:15 PM
Is Guru a real person or is it just a parody account? Someone trying to destroy Scoop?
I can' believe a real person would actually type this garbage.
I think Benny has been located
Quote from: muguru on June 13, 2020, 01:58:54 PM
That's because you typify the example of not listening to the right people Tony. Start listening to those who really know, you'll learn more.
I am so willing to learn. Can you point me to the people saying that the KKK is currently a bunch of Democrats who hate blacks and Catholics?
Quote from: muguru on June 13, 2020, 04:39:38 PM
I'm posting facts and links, and that makes me a racist and having a low IQ?? I can't help you don't want to accept facts. That has always been hard for left wing whack jobs to do. Hell, you still won't accept the 2016 election results. Find me one thing I have posted that is racist in this thread...you can't, unless you're just trying to imagine it being racist. Nice try though.
I know racism I've been a victim of racism before. The problem is you can't see as most racists do not want or realize they're racist. Most of what you have posted is incorrect, and most of all of the drivel you're posting has racist views associated with it. It is always the same posters .....
Couple of things. Voting by mail is different from absentee ballots. Please don't confuse the two. Big difference. I am currently against voting by mail for a couple of reasons. Judicial Watch has been suing states and counties for failure to clean up their voting rolls. He sued and won in California using the Voting Reform Act of that we passed 2 years ago. California had to settle and remove 1.6 million voters. If it wasn't for Judicial Watch, these people would have gotten ballots in the mail whether they still live in the state or are even alive. Most people will toss them but a couple hundred votes could change local elections. And it is just not here in CA but everywhere. EVERYWHERE.
CA also have given non US Citizens the right to vote in local elections. They are supposed to use a special machine. Really. Do you think it happens every time? In fact. Judicial Watch found hundreds of people not eligible to vote have voted.
When I went to MU, I voted via absentee ballot because I had a grant from my state. I easily could have walked in a same day voted in WI because the cable bill, electric bill and Milw Public Library card was in my name. That's all that was needed. It was way before computers so I easily could have gotten away with it. There needs to be a system nationally to make sure people don't double vote. For some reason certain people are against something that is so common sense.
Ballot harvesting also needs to be abolished or greatly reformed. If a person can receive a ballot via mail that person should be able to mail it. Ballots have been found in trunks of cars after elections. See the re do in North Carolina. It's also easy for the harvester to lose a couple of ballots. Plus who determines who is allowed to pick up ballots. Say a Republican decides he or she will pick up ballots from a nursing home in a predominant non Republican district. What is preventing it? And it goes both ways.
A system also needs to be in place for people to check and see if there vote was received and counted. If not counted. Why not?
Finally. People can still vote via absentee if they feel they won't be able to make it to the polls. My Dad voted several years this way because his health was always sketchy. He was a veteran of WWII and Korea and knew how important voting was. Most times he was healthy enough to go to the polls and vote. But he wanted to make sure he voted in every election.
Clean up the voter rolls and have a system in place that it is done . Have a national system to check to make sure SS numbers aren't voting more than once. Have in place an accounting system for all ballots not returned accounted for. To me. This is common sense. Yet neither side is willing to implement these speaks volumes.
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 13, 2020, 04:39:21 PM
So then we should invalidate the 2016 election. According to Trump's own Election Assistance Commission, over 40% of the ballots from 2016 were early, mail, or absentee.
I'm confident you will now advocate for the swearing in of President Clinton.
https://www.eac.gov/documents/2017/10/17/eavs-deep-dive-early-absentee-and-mail-voting-data-statutory-overview
I feel disgusting and dirty for saying this and deserve to burn in hell for it, but the absolute worst candidate for President of all time (up until 2020) Hillary Rodham Clinton would do a better job of running this country then Joe Biden could ever imagine doing. That should tell you all you need to know about just how bad Biden is as a candidate. I need to go throw up and shower now.
Quote from: duanewade on June 13, 2020, 02:56:48 PM
Or perhaps it just involves showing up and saying you're someone still on an outdated voter roll in a non-voter ID state (i.e.: Illinois, California) who has died or moved away and in turn allows one person to vote multiple times and in turn violate the sanctity of a fair and honest election. Such fraud would completely diminish one person's right to think and vote differently than someone else in a one vote per person country that claims to be a democracy.
There is a old saying that you're entitled to you own opinions but not your own facts.
I'm sure this must happen very, very, very, very, very, very, very often. So often that is has probably swing many, many, many, many, many, many elections.
Again, I would so like to learn: can you point me to all these instances of massive voter fraud?
Quote from: muguru on June 13, 2020, 04:52:39 PM
I feel disgusting and dirty for saying this and deserve to burn in hell for it, but the absolute worst candidate for President of all time (up until 2020) Hillary Rodham Clinton would do a better job of running this country then Joe Biden could ever imagine doing. That should tell you all you need to know about just how bad Biden is as a candidate. I need to go throw up and shower now.
Really why don't you find another team to root for....
Quote from: dad's couch on June 13, 2020, 04:52:32 PM
Couple of things. Voting by mail is different from absentee ballots. Please don't confuse the two. Big difference. I am currently against voting by mail for a couple of reasons. Judicial Watch has been suing states and counties for failure to clean up their voting rolls. He sued and won in California using the Voting Reform Act of that we passed 2 years ago. California had to settle and remove 1.6 million voters. If it wasn't for Judicial Watch, these people would have gotten ballots in the mail whether they still live in the state or are even alive. Most people will toss them but a couple hundred votes could change local elections. And it is just not here in CA but everywhere. EVERYWHERE.
CA also have given non US Citizens the right to vote in local elections. They are supposed to use a special machine. Really. Do you think it happens every time? In fact. Judicial Watch found hundreds of people not eligible to vote have voted.
When I went to MU, I voted via absentee ballot because I had a grant from my state. I easily could have walked in a same day voted in WI because the cable bill, electric bill and Milw Public Library card was in my name. That's all that was needed. It was way before computers so I easily could have gotten away with it. There needs to be a system nationally to make sure people don't double vote. For some reason certain people are against something that is so common sense.
Ballot harvesting also needs to be abolished or greatly reformed. If a person can receive a ballot via mail that person should be able to mail it. Ballots have been found in trunks of cars after elections. See the re do in North Carolina. It's also easy for the harvester to lose a couple of ballots. Plus who determines who is allowed to pick up ballots. Say a Republican decides he or she will pick up ballots from a nursing home in a predominant non Republican district. What is preventing it? And it goes both ways.
A system also needs to be in place for people to check and see if there vote was received and counted. If not counted. Why not?
Finally. People can still vote via absentee if they feel they won't be able to make it to the polls. My Dad voted several years this way because his health was always sketchy. He was a veteran of WWII and Korea and knew how important voting was. Most times he was healthy enough to go to the polls and vote. But he wanted to make sure he voted in every election.
Clean up the voter rolls and have a system in place that it is done . Have a national system to check to make sure SS numbers aren't voting more than once. Have in place an accounting system for all ballots not returned accounted for. To me. This is common sense. Yet neither side is willing to implement these speaks volumes.
Absolutely, this is the way it should be...everyone should want a fair election, Dems and Republican's alike. So why are democrat leaders of States resisting so hard at doing things that would go a long ways towards having fair elections?? I don't get it.
Quote from: TSmith34 on June 13, 2020, 04:54:33 PM
I'm sure this must happen very, very, very, very, very, very, very often. So often that is has probably swing many, many, many, many, many, many elections.
Again, I would so like to learn: can you point me to all these instances of massive voter fraud?
I posted links, and quotes, many of them...are you joining Rico's and News's club that as long as it doesn't have an outcome of an election, you're okay with it?? We may not agree on a lot of things, but c'mon man, how could you possibly be okay with saying "well, It doesn't bother me that they are voting illegally, it's not affecting election outcomes". You're better than that.
Another Scoop thread filled with personal attacks and politics - just what we need!
The point is over 40% of ballots are being cast remotely or not on election day. There is zero reason we shouldn't open up the electoral process when nearly half are already voting by those rules.
Quote from: Newsdreams on June 13, 2020, 04:55:05 PM
Really why don't you find another team to root for....
Because I like winning...and we have been doing so much winning on my team. We just keep winning and winning and more winning. We win bigly.
Quote from: Herman Cain on June 13, 2020, 04:19:02 PM
Thanks for posting this research report. The reality is there is incredible voter fraud in this country.
Yes, some even say up to .0025%! LOL
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 13, 2020, 04:57:58 PM
Another Scoop thread filled with personal attacks and politics - just what we need!
No, what we need in the worst way is for MU to get a commitment so we actually have something we all have in common to talk about. I blame Wojo for not getting one yet.
Quote from: muguru on June 13, 2020, 04:41:06 PM
I feel really ashamed that you're an American. It's frankly disgraceful.
Obviously not you only like a certain type to be Americans.
Quote from: Newsdreams on June 13, 2020, 05:04:10 PM
Obviously not you only like a certain type to be Americans.
You took a shot at me and called me racist and say I have a low IQ. So I took one back. I should have just risen above it and been better than that. I was wrong for saying that.
I wonder how active Theo and Koby will be in getting students to vote. Their actions the last few weeks show potential for future leadership. Great to have them in Milwaukee
Quote from: TSmith34 on June 13, 2020, 04:49:44 PM
I am so willing to learn. Can you point me to the people saying that the KKK is currently a bunch of Democrats who hate blacks and Catholics?
Wow. Check out Wikipedia.
There are closed minded people on both sides of the political spectrum.
We all need to respect everyone. There are wonderful people of all races, ages and religious beliefs.
Woah. Where I have time I'm gonna look back and see if anyone needs banned. We have rules yo!