...For every action there's an equal and opposite reaction...
I don't think so. Koby, Greg, and Akanno were likely expecting to primarily be slotted in at the 2, and Torrence has been one of the most vociferous MU fan/players in awhile. Can't really see it affecting anyone other than the guards.
If someone does it means they're afraid, too bad
Doubt it. Likely wouldn't have been able to cut it anyway if they jump ship when their coach recruits a player when the roster is 20% open.
Worry about it then. We just landed a stud 2 hours ago.
Symir maybe. He pretty much just got over recruited.
Don't think so, but I think one or two more come.
We will let Guru celebrate some before he starts with the Karim Mane is a must get comments!
That said, boy oh boy if Karim came to MU
Quote from: #UnleashJayce on April 15, 2020, 08:49:38 PM
Symir maybe. He pretty much just got over recruited.
No, we lost tons of guard minutes. Symir will still likely see nearly as many minutes as he would have had Carton not committed, and will be under a lot less pressure to perform.
The percentages would say yes. Impossible to speculate who though. I'd say everyone except the freshmen, Theo, and carton could be candidates.
Quote from: CountryRoads on April 15, 2020, 08:58:24 PM
The percentages would say yes. Impossible to speculate who though. I'd say everyone except the freshmen, Theo, and carton could be candidates.
Theo???? Lol
Quote from: CountryRoads on April 15, 2020, 08:58:24 PM
The percentages would say yes. Impossible to speculate who though. I'd say everyone except the freshmen, Theo, and carton could be candidates.
Get out of here, Debbie Downer. Learn to enjoy a good thing.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 15, 2020, 08:48:35 PM
Worry about it then. We just landed a stud 2 hours ago.
Exactly
Quote from: News: Garcia dreams MU on April 15, 2020, 08:59:22 PM
Theo???? Lol
He said Theo *wouldn't* be a candidate for transfer. Try reading the whole post next time.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on April 15, 2020, 09:08:51 PM
He said Theo *wouldn't* be a candidate for transfer. Try reading the whole post next time.
Yeah ok his sentence was a little out there. I mean I think you don't have to even mention Theo unless he is upset about something. Theo will obviously start.
Quote from: News: Garcia dreams MU on April 15, 2020, 09:14:23 PM
Yeah ok his sentence was a little out there. I mean I think you don't have to even mention Theo unless he is upset about something. Theo will obviously start.
You seriously still don't understand what he said do you?
Quote from: NickelDimer on April 15, 2020, 09:18:20 PM
You seriously still don't understand what he said do you?
Of course I do. Was just reading really fast. What I just said is that it is obvious Theo would not transfer
I hope nobody leaves but if back ups go, they go. I save my worrying for when top players go.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 15, 2020, 10:48:38 PM
I hope nobody leaves but if back ups go, they go. I save my worrying for when top players go.
Well stated, Lenny.
In the last 6 years, we've lost exactly 3 players who were capable of staying at the P6 level: Sam, Joey and Deonte. I wish Wojo had found a way to keep all 3. The rest of them? Fine young men, but as we are seeing more and more every year all around the country, transfers happen.
If players leave because they're not quite good enough, I'll wish them well and enjoy watching our Warriors win.
I worry very much when any player leaves the program. If Wojo had a clue what he was doing, he'd know that by giving someone max minutes they are guaranteed to be Steve Nash, Michael Jordan, LeBron James, Tim Duncan, or Shaquille O'Neal, depending on what position they play.
Well according to the Portrykus article, Carton himself is already a candidate to leave... Lol.
If any of these kids think it is in their best interest to transfer, who are we to blame them. This is their life. These kids don't just exist to please you.
I could see any of the guards on the roster outside of Carton transferring down a tad if they wanted to be more of a focal player, but I don't know enough about any of them personally to speculate on it. I also don't know if they'd want to wait until there's more clarity on the transfer rules and pandemic scenarios. I do know that these kids are highly intelligent, so it wouldn't surprise me to see them wait those things out before fully deciding.
Quote from: MU82 on April 15, 2020, 10:59:29 PM
Well stated, Lenny.
In the last 6 years, we've lost exactly 3 players who were capable of staying at the P6 level: Sam, Joey and Deonte. I wish Wojo had found a way to keep all 3. The rest of them? Fine young men, but as we are seeing more and more every year all around the country, transfers happen.
If players leave because they're not quite good enough, I'll wish them well and enjoy watching our Warriors win.
I'd add Duane Wilson to that list. He was playing significant minutes for A&M and averaging 12.1 ppg/4.4 apg before his injury during his grad transfer year. I still think letting him get away was a mistake. But overall, I agree that kids transferring out isn't a big deal.
I was hoping this topic was about some of the negative posters on this board. Some already are hopefully exploring other options.
Quote from: Timber1 on April 16, 2020, 06:59:10 AM
I was hoping this topic was about some of the negative posters on this board. Some already are hopefully exploring other options.
Would that be a fansfer? Short for fan transfer.
Something tells me at the end of the day, they'll all end up pulling a Justin Turner and coming back.
My view has always been, if a player transfers because you brought in a better, more talented player, so be it.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 16, 2020, 05:33:25 AM
I'd add Duane Wilson to that list. He was playing significant minutes for A&M and averaging 12.1 ppg/4.4 apg before his injury during his grad transfer year. I still think letting him get away was a mistake. But overall, I agree that kids transferring out isn't a big deal.
I can understand it from DW's perspective, though. 5th year Senior, once thought to be the key to MU's future, doesn't really want to be coming off the bench for 15 minutes a game. It ended up being a very amicable transfer fortunately. But yes, he is one of the few who could still play at the D1 level.
Quote from: #UnleashJayce on April 15, 2020, 08:49:38 PM
Symir maybe. He pretty much just got over recruited.
Carton is very unlikely to play more than one year if he is as good as advertised. If he isn't Symir can compete for time.
Who knows what these guys are thinking but he's hardly permanently shut out of playing time.
The one that I think would be a candidate is Koby as a grad transfer - if he completed his degree. Especially if you see a Mane commitment.
Quote from: TSmith34 on April 16, 2020, 08:09:18 AM
I can understand it from DW's perspective, though. 5th year Senior, once thought to be the key to MU's future, doesn't really want to be coming off the bench for 15 minutes a game. It ended up being a very amicable transfer fortunately. But yes, he is one of the few who could still play at the D1 level.
Where does Haanif land on this? Transfers down then up back to P6
I think Haanif's initial reason for transferring, because of an ill family member, was legit.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on April 16, 2020, 08:35:35 AM
I think Haanif's initial reason for transferring, because of an ill family member, was legit.
I think so too I'm asking if he counts amongst the burton Hausers and Duane list
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on April 16, 2020, 08:35:35 AM
I think Haanif's initial reason for transferring, because of an ill family member, was legit.
I heard he went back to Florida because he forgot to bring his right hand to Marquette
Quote from: TSmith34 on April 16, 2020, 08:09:18 AM
I can understand it from DW's perspective, though. 5th year Senior, once thought to be the key to MU's future, doesn't really want to be coming off the bench for 15 minutes a game. It ended up being a very amicable transfer fortunately. But yes, he is one of the few who could still play at the D1 level.
I definitely get it from his perspective. Go back to play for one of the coaches that recruited you (Chew) and fill a role on a solid, rising team. He was a good fit there, I just thought he was also a good fit here that wasn't used as well as he could have been.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 16, 2020, 08:20:38 AM
Where does Haanif land on this? Transfers down then up back to P6
That's a good catch. Still a D1 player but definitely down a level or two.
Man, I had such high hopes for Haani after his Freshman year...
I don't put either Duane or Haani on my list for all the reasons folks here have said.
If others want to include one or both, that's cool too.
Wichita State is having just about its entire roster transferring out in one offseason; Wojo has lost 3-5 transfers who mattered in 6 years, and he has brought in Carlino, Rowsey, Katin, Jayce and DJ, among others.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on April 16, 2020, 08:12:27 AM
The one that I think would be a candidate is Koby as a grad transfer - if he completed his degree. Especially if you see a Mane commitment.
Get this man his degree
Quote from: MU82 on April 16, 2020, 09:19:44 AM
I don't put either Duane or Haani on my list for all the reasons folks here have said.
If others want to include one or both, that's cool too.
Wichita State is having just about its entire roster transferring out in one offseason; Wojo has lost 3-5 transfers who mattered in 6 years, and he has brought in Carlino, Rowsey, Katin, Jayce and DJ, among others.
Overall, MU under Wojo has faired better in the transfer world. Obviously, the Hauser departures are tough to overcome.
Duane explained his decision to transfer a few weeks ago on the Real Chilly Podcast. It was a great interview, highly recommend.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on April 16, 2020, 08:12:27 AM
Carton is very unlikely to play more than one year if he is as good as advertised. If he isn't Symir can compete for time.
Who knows what these guys are thinking but he's hardly permanently shut out of playing time.
The one that I think would be a candidate is Koby as a grad transfer - if he completed his degree. Especially if you see a Mane commitment.
The thing working against Sy is that he really can only play one position. He doesn't have the shot or the offensive game in general to slide to the two. I wonder if Carton will be used off ball at all to get some scoring opportunities (sort of like Markus). That could bode well for Sy as he is a good passer and unselfish.
Also interested to see what happens with Koby. It could go either way for him but hoping he bounces back.
Quote from: Warrior of Law on April 16, 2020, 09:47:44 AM
Overall, MU under Wojo has faired better in the transfer world. Obviously, the Hauser departures are tough to overcome.
Agree with this completely.
Quote from: CountryRoads on April 16, 2020, 10:03:14 AM
The thing working against Sy is that he really can only play one position. He doesn't have the shot or the offensive game in general to slide to the two. I wonder if Carton will be used off ball at all to get some scoring opportunities (sort of like Markus). That could bode well for Sy as he is a good passer and unselfish.
Also interested to see what happens with Koby. It could go either way for him but hoping he bounces back.
What about Sy tells you that he can only play one position? He was a Freshman, and had a good eFG. He definitely has the size and the speed to excel at the 2. Players develop their shot throughout their career.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 16, 2020, 08:20:38 AM
Where does Haanif land on this? Transfers down then up back to P6
He could defintiely be a piece on a competitive P6 but lets also keep in mind when he returned to P6 it was to play for a team desperate for players that was ultimately terrible.
Ok obviously Duane and Haani were a step below the Hausers and Burton. But I wouldn't put them down in the dumps with Dawson Sandy and Carter either. In the grand scheme of things either would have been fine sticking around longer.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 16, 2020, 10:31:36 AM
Ok obviously Duane and Haani were a step below the Hausers and Burton. But I wouldn't put them down in the dumps with Dawson Sandy and Carter either. In the grand scheme of things either would have been fine sticking around longer.
My personal litmus test for regrettable loss is whether or not they go to a school/conference I see as a competitor/parity to MU. That means Du W counts, including McKay, Burton, S Hauser, J Hauser. HC does not in my book--he took a step down to play and eventually worked his way back. I wouldnt go purely by conference because of the Gonzaga/Cincy and others of the world.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on April 16, 2020, 10:35:48 AM
My personal litmus test for regrettable loss is whether or not they go to a school/conference I see as a competitor/parity to MU. That means Du W counts, including McKay, Burton, S Hauser, J Hauser. HC does not in my book--he took a step down to play and eventually worked his way back. I wouldnt go purely by conference because of the Gonzaga/Cincy and others of the world.
McKay bolted on Buzz, not Wojo.
I'd rather have kept Duane than not, but the reasons he left and the other guards on our roster made it fine with me that he left. I don't consider it a "loss" for Wojo, unlike Burton and the Hauser Kidz. Again, totally my opinion.
Quote from: MU82 on April 16, 2020, 02:46:46 PMMcKay bolted on Buzz, not Wojo.
Maybe if Wojo had come to Marquette sooner, McKay never would've left. I put McKay's departure squarely on Wojo.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 16, 2020, 02:51:08 PM
Maybe if Wojo had come to Marquette sooner, McKay never would've left. I put McKay's departure squarely on Wojo.
Same but with Mbakwe
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 16, 2020, 02:51:45 PM
Same but with Mbakwe
Mbakwe is greater than the concept of time. Therefore all past, current, and future coaches are to blame for the departure of Mbakwe
Just glad Mbakwe hasn't snapped his fingers while wearing the Infinity gauntlet. Yet.
Quote from: MU82 on April 16, 2020, 02:46:46 PM
McKay bolted on Buzz, not Wojo.
No kidding, really?
I was listing all the recent transfers in the last two regimes that I would count as regrettable losses.
If I went back further, Crean recruits had a few (under buzz) -- maybe I should have added Mbakwe (but he didnt go to a HM) and christopherson (he did).
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on April 16, 2020, 03:08:22 PM
No kidding, really?
I was listing all the recent transfers in the last two regimes that I would count as regrettable losses.
If I went back further, Crean recruits had a few (under buzz) -- maybe I should have added Mbakwe (but he didnt go to a HM) and christopherson (he did).
Nice dig at the Big 14. Mbakwe ended up at Minnesota.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 16, 2020, 03:00:37 PM
Mbakwe is greater than the concept of time. Therefore all past, current, and future coaches are to blame for the departure of Mbakwe
Mbakwe part of Marvel continuity?
Quote from: tower912 on April 16, 2020, 03:07:41 PM
Just glad Mbakwe hasn't snapped his fingers while wearing the Infinity gauntlet. Yet.
The infinity gauntlet is actually a cast of Mbakwe's hand
Quote from: News: Garcia dreams MU on April 16, 2020, 03:10:54 PM
Mbakwe part of Marvel continuity?
He is part of the MCU, DC studios, Sony Pictures, 20th Century Fox, Lionsgate Entertainment, and Universal Pictures universes. And none of them. At the same time.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 16, 2020, 03:11:03 PM
The infinity gauntlet is actually a cast of Mbakwe's hand
He is part of the MCU, DCU, Spiderman, Deadpool, and X-men universes. And none of them. At the same time.
;D :P
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on April 16, 2020, 03:08:22 PM
No kidding, really?
I was listing all the recent transfers in the last two regimes that I would count as regrettable losses.
If I went back further, Crean recruits had a few (under buzz) -- maybe I should have added Mbakwe (but he didnt go to a HM) and christopherson (he did).
In that case you forgot Mbao
Quote from: tower912 on April 16, 2020, 03:10:15 PM
Nice dig at the Big 14. Mbakwe ended up at Minnesota.
Maybe I'm confused. I though he went to the CC in FL first. Am I misremembering?
Quote from: News: Garcia dreams MU on April 15, 2020, 09:14:23 PM
Yeah ok his sentence was a little out there. I mean I think you don't have to even mention Theo unless he is upset about something. Theo will obviously start.
Did Theo have surgery on his thumb?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 16, 2020, 03:11:03 PM
The infinity gauntlet is actually a cast of Mbakwe's hand
He is part of the MCU, DC studios, Sony Pictures, 20th Century Fox, Lionsgate Entertainment, and Universal Pictures universes. And none of them. At the same time.
No, they are part of the Mbakwe universe.
Quote from: CountryRoads on April 16, 2020, 10:03:14 AM
The thing working against Sy is that he really can only play one position. He doesn't have the shot or the offensive game in general to slide to the two. I wonder if Carton will be used off ball at all to get some scoring opportunities (sort of like Markus). That could bode well for Sy as he is a good passer and unselfish.
Also interested to see what happens with Koby. It could go either way for him but hoping he bounces back.
I think Koby becomes starts at the 2 guard. He might be very happy not playing the point.
Symir needs to get stronger. He was not physically ready for the Big East.
Quote from: bilsu on April 16, 2020, 04:09:00 PM
I think Koby becomes starts at the 2 guard. He might be very happy not playing the point.
Symir needs to get stronger. He was not physically ready for the Big East.
I think this is accurate. Despite how poorly Koby played at times, and how hard the fans became on him, he has a lot of strong suits to his game that Wojo will want on the court as long as he stays out of his own head.
He will be in a more natural 2/small 3 wing role ala sacar. I didn't see him at Utah St but I'm pretty certain he will be more comfortable in this role.
He is a very good defender, likely will be MUs best G defender and will draw the toughest assignment.
He is an awesome rebounder. He is also a very emotional and high energy guy that will get you extra possessions. He will be the most experienced player on the team.
I know that many here believe that if he plays a lot MU is in trouble but I disagree. I actually think that if he barely plays MU is in trouble- that would mean that he's either in his own head and emotionally down OR that he's a high volume chucker that's not making much and wojo throws in the towel on using him.
Relatively heavy minutes with good shot selection, low double digit scoring with the ability to get to the line and not need 15-20 shots to get his points, elite defending and rebounding that will become contagious are what Wojo is hoping from him.
If Carton plays, I think DJC and Koby get most minutes at the G spots with Symir and Greg contributing quite a bit. The wildcards imo would Koby going south mentally and Greg's health, in which case Akanno would grab more minutes and one of the 3s would steal minutes at the 2
Quote from: bilsu on April 16, 2020, 04:09:00 PM
I think Koby becomes starts at the 2 guard. He might be very happy not playing the point.
Symir needs to get stronger. He was not physically ready for the Big East.
Symir reclassified and probably could have used a redshirt
We've seen JC, BB and KMc for three, two and one season. We've seen who they are and how they play. All in their early twenties, not 17 or 18 years old. Appear to be three great young men but not great basketball players. To assume a large jump in their games is a pipe dream. Wojo saw it as well which explains his chasing of transfers.
Hoping Sy because a force. The aforementioned three may be the bottom three on the roster. By the way, Oso is not redshirting!
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on April 16, 2020, 03:08:22 PM
No kidding, really?
I was listing all the recent transfers in the last two regimes that I would count as regrettable losses.
If I went back further, Crean recruits had a few (under buzz) -- maybe I should have added Mbakwe (but he didnt go to a HM) and christopherson (he did).
I wasn't trying to rip on you. I thought the subject was transfers Wojo "lost."
Trevor Mbakwe's tears could cure Covid-19. It's too bad he's never cried.
Quote from: franklinjerry on April 16, 2020, 05:12:55 PM
We've seen JC, BB and KMc for three, two and one season. We've seen who they are and how they play. All in their early twenties, not 17 or 18 years old. Appear to be three great young men but not great basketball players. To assume a large jump in their games is a pipe dream. Wojo saw it as well which explains his chasing of transfers.
Hoping Sy because a force. The aforementioned three may be the bottom three on the roster. By the way, Oso is not redshirting!
I could see Bailey having a jump. We've seen him 2 years off from the game, we saw a good player at times albeit extremely inconsistent this past year. Jamal and Koby I think we've seen all there is.
Quote from: franklinjerry on April 16, 2020, 05:12:55 PM
We've seen JC, BB and KMc for three, two and one season. We've seen who they are and how they play. All in their early twenties, not 17 or 18 years old. Appear to be three great young men but not great basketball players. To assume a large jump in their games is a pipe dream. Wojo saw it as well which explains his chasing of transfers.
Hoping Sy because a force. The aforementioned three may be the bottom three on the roster. By the way, Oso is not redshirting!
I dont disagree on Koby, get the primary ball handling n decision making away from him n he could be an asset. Greg was very solid as a frosh n at 80% last year. Played with a limp the whole gear and zero explosiveness
Dodsie I didn't know you posted on other boards. Yes Koby, Greg, Jamal, Theo, Ike, Brendan and 2018 Greg, Sam, Joey, Marcus were all hurt unlike any other bb team. Wait till we're healthy! What have you seen from Jamal that you like other than hops? Never seen anyone weaker with the ball or more indecisive unless we can count Koby.
Oh boy.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 15, 2020, 10:48:38 PM
I hope nobody leaves but if back ups go, they go. I save my worrying for when top players go.
You mean maybe, like...the Hausers?
Quote from: wadesworld on April 16, 2020, 05:35:48 PM
Trevor Mbakwe's tears could cure Covid-19. It's too bad he's never cried.
I hear covid messed with Mbakwe and it ended up in quarantine for 14 days.
Quote from: oldwarrior81 on April 16, 2020, 08:07:05 PM
I hear covid messed with Mbakwe and it ended up in quarantine for 14 days.
Here we go again.
My understanding is that Mbakwe himself will be THE home crowd at every sporting event in the coming 13 months, saving the home court/field advantage for Vegas.