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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Warrior of Law on March 08, 2020, 05:01:06 PM
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Let me help everyone out on twitter. Wojo will be at Marquette next season. Talk about it all you want...say whatever you want. I can't control that...but know that any discussion of his departure is a TOTAL WASTE OF TIME.
So, there you have it. Wojo coming back in 2020-21. Big money donors who can influence these decisions must be nonexistent, or if they do exist, they're ok with this.
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It's not a waste of time. Lovell reads his @s and the MUBB @s. They know everyone is pissed. The longer and more intense it gets, the quicker we'll get rid of Wojo. Waste of a thread.
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Homer isn't considerin' dat Woj bolts on his own, hey?
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It's not a waste of time. Lovell reads his @s and the MUBB @s. They know everyone is pissed. The longer and more intense it gets, the quicker we'll get rid of Wojo. Waste of a thread.
He got a new 2 year extension
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Homer isn't considerin' dat Woj bolts on his own, hey?
No, he's not.
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Once again our administration sees the big picture. Unfortunately the team and the fans have to live it. We just need to get used to another train wreck in year 7. Does anyone predict 8+ years of Wojo the magnificent? Do I hear 10?
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It's not a waste of time. Lovell reads his @s and the MUBB @s. They know everyone is pissed. The longer and more intense it gets, the quicker we'll get rid of Wojo. Waste of a thread.
I don't think so...Wojo is Lovell's guy. he hired him. I can't see him firing him. I could however see Wojo leaving on his own. I really think Wake Forest could be of interest to him.
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Lovell has made a number of bad decisions during his time at MU. It appears that he has just made another!
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Well I just learned homer is part of the decision process.
You would think homer would not like wojo with the amount of times he bailed on the post game.
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What are the other bad decisions?
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Lovell, the first non-Jesuit to be president of Marquette. That could change.
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What are the other bad decisions?
Use google, they are very easy to find.
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Lovell, the first non-Jesuit to be president of Marquette. That could change.
And if you remember he was a "rushed" hire, they got him in place during the Shaka process, so Shaka knew who would be president, if he took the job(which he actually did). Like it happened simultaneously.
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And if you remember he was a "rushed" hire, they got him in place during the Shaka process, so Shaka knew who would be president, if he took the job(which he actually did). Like it happened simultaneously.
I could never understand the Wojo hire, he had no experience as a head coach! Wojo never had to make decisions under pressure.
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Who the hell is Homer? And he sure sounds pleased at his announcement. Well there is always next year, eh?
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I could never understand the Wojo hire, he had no experience as a head coach! Wojo never had to make decisions under pressure.
wKO, TC and Buzz had no experience either (uNO does not count for Buzz as that was just weird).
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I could never understand the Wojo hire, he had no experience as a head coach! Wojo never had to make decisions under pressure.
Has he yet?
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Let me help everyone out on twitter. Wojo will be at Marquette next season. Talk about it all you want...say whatever you want. I can't control that...but know that any discussion of his departure is a TOTAL WASTE OF TIME.
So, there you have it. Wojo coming back in 2020-21. Big money donors who can influence these decisions must be nonexistent, or if they do exist, they're ok with this.
If talking about things that we have no control over is a TOTAL WASTE OF TIME we might as well end all discussion about pretty much everything.
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A vision without a plan is just a dream. Wojo was a seller of dreams all laid out on his power point and Lovell bought in hook line and sinker! The truth is I dont think Wojo ever had a plan.
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wKO, TC and Buzz had no experience either (uNO does not count for Buzz as that was just weird).
Three wrongs dont make a right. I would never hire a person with no experience. If you keep rolling the dice you will crap out sooner or later!
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Let me help everyone out on twitter. Wojo will be at Marquette next season. Talk about it all you want...say whatever you want. I can't control that...but know that any discussion of his departure is a TOTAL WASTE OF TIME.
So, there you have it. Wojo coming back in 2020-21. Big money donors who can influence these decisions must be nonexistent, or if they do exist, they're ok with this.
It appears that Homer and the powers to be must be worried because they are trying to tamp down any and all discussion w.r.t Wojo’s departure.
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It appears that Homer and the powers to be must be worried because they are trying to tamp down any and all discussion w.r.t Wojo’s departure.
Or recruiting
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How did a non Jesuit get the job? First ever? Seems like Lovell is just a money man. Mu kind of sold out for the big $$ it seems.
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How did a non Jesuit get the job? First ever? Seems like Lovell is just a money man. Mu kind of sold out for the big $$ it seems.
That is a very good question, I would love to know the answer!
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Who the hell is Homer? And he sure sounds pleased at his announcement. Well there is always next year, eh?
Homer from Tweeter! Probably just more FAKE news.
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Lovell is the 1st non-Jesuit president because the pool of SJs was shallow. Georgetown is in the same boat. Regardless, this is arguably the biggest decision he would make. The conservative approach is to sit tight.
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I was hoping for a Megan Duffy hire. Now she can coach. 8-)
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I always liked Steve the Homer True. But if they are rolling him out to sell the fan base on Wojo, then there is definitely some anxiety within the administration (similar to the Packer announcers providing support to Mike McCarthy before his final season). The use of the Homer means the university administration is circling the wagons.
Sadly, I expect another year of Wojo at the Helm.
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The Jesuit order has had trouble recruiting priests for a long time. The pool of qualified candidates keeps getting smaller.
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Yep. There are some “media members” who are too afraid to speak honestly about the program for fear of losing their access. Homer and Dodds come to mind and neither of them are remotely reliable when it comes to MU info or is their content really even interesting because they’re toeing their imaginary line they’ve set for themselves.
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Homer from Tweeter! Probably just more FAKE news.
Want to bet??
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Wojo contract runs for 4 more seasons. I don’t see MU biting bullet on that after just giving him extension less than a year ago
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Homer:
You might want him fired but they won’t fire him
Fans:
I hate you Homer
I think this is where the phrase don’t shoot the messenger came from.
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Want to bet??
Why would Lovell and the powers to be use Homer deliver their message? Is Homer their lapdog?
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Why would Lowell and the powers to be use Homer deliver their message? Is Homer their lapdog?
He reporting the truth, not trying to persuade. He knows the admin is knee deep in WojoLand and unwilling to get out.
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You know speaking of Homer...I really do like the guy, but in all honesty for someone in the sports media field and all the years i have listened to his show, I don't EVER once recall him breaking a story about anything. Nothing. Ever. I find that strange that a sports talk show host as long as he has been, not have any sources on anything in the local sports field, to never once have broken a story about the Packers, Bucks, Brewers, MU, anything. Almost everyone in the media field in his position breaks a story at some point in their careers, but he hasn't...that I'm aware of anyway. Very strange.
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You know speaking of Homer...I really do like the guy, but in all honesty for someone in the sports media field and all the years i have listened to his show, I don't EVER once recall him breaking a story about anything. Nothing. Ever. I find that strange that a sports talk show host as long as he has been, not have any sources on anything in the local sports field, to never once have broken a story about the Packers, Bucks, Brewers, MU, anything. Almost everyone in the media field in his position breaks a story at some point in their careers, but he hasn't...that I'm aware of anyway. Very strange.
bc he doesn’t care. He likes what he does. One of the most content media members I have ever met. No ego. Good dude.
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Homer from Tweeter! Probably just more FAKE news.
Want to bet??
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Wow, no #donedeal?
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I can understand people are upset, but do people actually think MU would let Wojo go??
Uf so u are friggin looney tunes.
Let us recall Tom Crean missed the NCAAs in year 5 and Year 6 of his tenure. Yes he had a final 4 under his belt, but by year 6 the program was a disaster and by years end we had a PF bringing the ball up the court as we gad zero ball handlers capable of doing it. We ended the year losing at home in the first round if the NIT to a mid major while scoring 36? points.
Sure people are disappointed but let us try to keep some sanity
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Going back to Buzz’s last season (13-14), Marquette is 11-20 in March games. This includes BE regular season games, conference tournament games, NCAA Tournament games and NIT games.
It’s an alarming metric for a program that had built a sustained successful top-25 program. Surely, the fans have cause for concern.
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Homer:
You might want him fired but they won’t fire him
Fans:
I hate you Homer
I think this is where the phrase don’t shoot the messenger came from.
Is Homer a spokesperson for the University? If not, he is not a messenger. I think he is more like a lackey. And no one likes a lackey.
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Is Homer a spokesperson for the University? If not, he is not a messenger. I think he is more like a lackey. And no one likes a lackey.
He said 1 more year.....
That alone implies a lot. Next year the seat is hot unless Wojo can pull a Greg Gard. We all know that's not happening.
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I am upset about our last two year-end finishes as is everyone else. There seems to be no reason for this to happen. We’ve had players leave, some injuries and other things that have impeded MU’s progress.
And we have our Coach. Lots of issues. Lots of opinions. Has he been the best? Ok, no . But I believe we are better off with our Coach here next year than getting another assistant coach who will take 4 years to get anywhere. And Wojo will be better and more experienced in four more years than a new guy would be. And he is an experienced recruiter. A new guy might be. Might not be.
And we will most likeLy be in in the NCAA tourney this year. With all the negativity, it is tough on all of us, including the coach. Yeah I know, he gets paid a lot of money. If he’s going to be our coach let’s support him and help make him better and MU basketball better. Well, that’s what I plan on doing, anyway. Let’s win Saturday.
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I am upset about our last two year-end finishes as is everyone else. There seems to be no reason for this to happen. We’ve had players leave, some injuries and other things that have impeded MU’s progress.
And we have our Coach. Lots of issues. Lots of opinions. Has he been the best? Ok, no . But I believe we are better off with our Coach here next year than getting another assistant coach who will take 4 years to get anywhere. And Wojo will be better and more experienced in four more years than a new guy would be. And he is an experienced recruiter. A new guy might be. Might not be.
And we will most likeLy be in in the NCAA tourney this year. With all the negativity, it is tough on all of us, including the coach. Yeah I know, he gets paid a lot of money. If he’s going to be our coach let’s support him and help make him better and MU basketball better. Well, that’s what I plan on doing, anyway. Let’s win Saturday.
You assume Wojo will just keep improving as an in-game coach. I say that he has years and years of experience coaching already and this is probably just who he is. I wish I had your optimism.
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Homer not breaking news is what I love about him. He is an entertainer and does that well. That said, his tweet probably has some legs to it.
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I guess we should take Homer's advise, "... say whatever you want ..."
Well Homer you may have to kiss Wojo's butt to get an occasional interview consisting of meaningless comments from a bad coach but we do not.
Looks like next year Wojo can recycle his excuses from year one for you. Remember we had a young team and that is why we played poorly? Sound about right? Good luck Homer selling that story.
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Xavier"s President announcemed he's stepping down after next school year. Wondering if they end up with an SJ or first lay President.
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Example 1A of how a good coach can impact a team - look no further than the 1st year women's basketball coach.
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Homer is correct and he is just being logical. The admin is not going take that action and eat that money in anything short of a crisis. Now next year if they see blow out loses at home, no tournament invite and public opinion on the basketball program turns sour it might be enough to create a crisis.
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Example 1A of how a good coach can impact a team - look no further than the 1st year women's basketball coach.
I’m not denigrating our current coach...phenomenal!... but the one that left revived the program. She was a miracle worker.
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Haven’t been to an MU game since Wojo became head coach. I’ve watched less games on TV each year. Only watched the DePaul embarrassment this year. His brand of basketball is boring.... one star hogs the ball, rely on 3 pt shots. I miss the old MU games with tough defense and athletes that can also play basketball. Apathy has set in long ago. The admin can keep Wojo as long as they like - the only way to force a change is to stop paying to see what is a boring product... Easy!
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7 years ta judge, hey?
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Kieger was phenomenal.
But you can't deny that the women's team was decimated by graduation and their highest rated recruit bailed.
Picked one vote out of last in Big East preseason poll.
Finished 2nd in regular season and now playing for BE Tourn championship.
Very sound and fundamental basketball team.
Freshmen playing prominent roles.
Obviously well coached.
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Haven’t been to an MU game since Wojo became head coach. I’ve watched less games on TV each year. Only watched the DePaul embarrassment this year. His brand of basketball is boring.... one star hogs the ball, rely on 3 pt shots. I miss the old MU games with tough defense and athletes that can also play basketball. Apathy has set in long ago. The admin can keep Wojo as long as they like - the only way to force a change is to stop paying to see what is a boring product... Easy!
This is, especially this season, objectively false.
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I saw Kuykendall liked Homer%u2019s tweet.
Also, saw someone tweeting that the only comments on MU Instagram posts have been Wojo%u2019s parents and one of the Fiserv Forum MC%u2019s. They%u2019ve limited who can comment at the moment.
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Homer serves as play by play announcer (essentially) at MU's pleasure. Doesn't make him in any way wrong, and the relationship may add some credibility, but it's hard to get past the idea of a sports talk radio host telling fans they shouldn't speculate on the future of their team. That, and complaining, kind of seems like what the entire industry is based upon.
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Hometeam's being a good solider here, that's all.
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This is, especially this season, objectively false.
Yeah. Last year, playing with two other elite shooters, he hogged the ball. This year, surrounded by guys who struggle to shoot it, he’s shared it more. Makes you scratch your head about the guy pulling the strings, ain’a?
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I saw Kuykendall liked Homer’s tweet.
Also, saw someone tweeting that the only comments on MU Instagram posts I’ve been Wojo’s parents and one of the Fiserv Forum MC’s. They’ve limited who can comment at the moment.
lol that's dark.
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lol that's dark.
Their Instagram locked their comments (EVERYTHING IS FINE) to the public, but those who Marquette Basketball account follows can still post.
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How did a non Jesuit get the job? First ever? Seems like Lovell is just a money man. Mu kind of sold out for the big $$ it seems.
Were you around for the Pilarz regime?
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I saw Kuykendall liked Homer’s tweet.
Also, saw someone tweeting that the only comments on MU Instagram posts I’ve been Wojo’s parents and one of the Fiserv Forum MC’s. They’ve limited who can comment at the moment.
This is accurate. They also scrubbed all the comments from posts beginning with the Creighton home game.
Bunker down!
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This is accurate. They also scrubbed all the comments from posts beginning with the Creighton home game.
Bunker down!
How typical this has become of MU in general. Early on a older Jebbie, confident in his philosophy, told us to "question everything," secure in his belief that it would make our faith stronger. Now it seems MU restricts unwanted criticism at every chance.
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A couple of thoughts about Homer's Tweets:
1) Is Homer expressing an opinion or is he Tweeting for the university? I suspect the former is the case as I can think of a lot of more effective ways for Marquette to communicate its intent than a Homer tweet.
2) Assuming I am wrong and the University did use Homer to communicate their thoughts, I'm reminded of numerous instances where administrations, general managers and others communicated their "full confidence" in a head coach or manager, only to fire them a short time later. The comment more than anything takes the heat off for the short time.
Folks, I have trouble believing of all the avenues the university has to communicate with the general public, Homer would be the one they use. Homer is Homer and he's never been shy about expressing an opinion.
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How typical this has become of MU in general. Early on a older Jebbie, confident in his philosophy, told us to "question everything," secure in his belief that it would make our faith stronger. Now it seems MU restricts unwanted criticism at every chance.
I haven't done all of the math, but I'm pretty sure that shouting "Fire Wojo" in various grammatically incorrect forms into the ether isn't the same as one seeking to understand the full meaning of the universe.
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Their Instagram locked their comments (EVERYTHING IS FINE) to the public, but those who Marquette Basketball account follows can still post.
The MU men’s basketball Facebook page is still filled with negative comments, at least for the moment.
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Wojo contract runs for 4 more seasons. I don’t see MU biting bullet on that after just giving him extension less than a year ago
Pretty dumb move by MU.
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Contract term is pretty much irrelevant, don’t look at that as being any impediment to a coaching change.
The size and structure of the buyout is the mechanism that restricts movement for either party.
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If and when the season ends and a vote of confidence is given by the AD, I’ll accept Wojo is coming back. Until then I refuse to let homer or anyone ruin my hopes!
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Contract term is pretty much irrelevant, don’t look at that as being any impediment to a coaching change.
The size and structure of the buyout is the mechanism that restricts movement for either party.
Wojo can persuade admins to give him a great contract....
Wojo can't persuade kids on the court.....
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Speaking of Mike Deane, when MU dumped Deane, Homer was in the know and couldn't discuss anything related to it. Homer Knows. Why else would he say something with such confidence? Just think how much money we'll save by not renewing our season tickets ;)
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Speaking of Mike Deane, when MU dumped Deane, Homer was in the know and couldn't discuss anything related to it. Homer Knows. Why else would he say something with such confidence? Just think how much money we'll save by not renewing our season tickets ;)
Exactly. Homer is in the know just by his position and whom he has access to. Not to mention, he's been around the program for decades so has a good barometer. Wojo will coach the 1st year of recruiting class. My guess would be if they show extraordinary promise, Wojo gets another break. If the team flops again, adios muchachos.
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Exactly. Homer is in the know just by his position and whom he has access to. Not to mention, he's been around the program for decades so has a good barometer. Wojo will coach the 1st year of recruiting class. My guess would be if they show extraordinary promise, Wojo gets another break. If the team flops again, adios muchachos.
Kuykendall liked the tweet. I’m sure the administration fed him that tweet or certainly don’t disagree with any of it. He’s back next year unless another team takes a chance on him and he wants a fresh start.
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How did a non Jesuit get the job? First ever? Seems like Lovell is just a money man. Mu kind of sold out for the big $$ it seems.
Not just Jesuits but across many of the orders. SLU, St. John's, Georgetown, Loyola Marymount, LUC, Catholic U (on their third lay President), all Catholic schools who hired layperson as President.
https://www.ncronline.org/news/faith-parish/jesuits-face-shrinking-pool-university-presidents
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Exactly. Homer is in the know just by his position and whom he has access to. Not to mention, he's been around the program for decades so has a good barometer. Wojo will coach the 1st year of recruiting class. My guess would be if they show extraordinary promise, Wojo gets another break. If the team flops again, adios muchachos.
I agree that seems to be the case. They want to see what promise this class brings along with a new approach without Markus. Wojo will be forced to adjust a lot, hopefully for the better.
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Exactly. Homer is in the know just by his position and whom he has access to. Not to mention, he's been around the program for decades so has a good barometer. Wojo will coach the 1st year of recruiting class. My guess would be if they show extraordinary promise, Wojo gets another break. If the team flops again, adios muchachos.
I think this is dead on. This may be the first time I've ever agreed with anything you said.
Did you forget you were posting under this account?
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Haven’t been to an MU game since Wojo became head coach. I’ve watched less games on TV each year. Only watched the DePaul embarrassment this year. His brand of basketball is boring.... one star hogs the ball, rely on 3 pt shots. I miss the old MU games with tough defense and athletes that can also play basketball. Apathy has set in long ago. The admin can keep Wojo as long as they like - the only way to force a change is to stop paying to see what is a boring product... Easy!
That’s odd. You were against Wojo before he even coached a game? Your interest must have started waning way before Wojo. After Al perhaps?
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Homer Knows.
Homer is a paid performer for the university who doubles as a sports talk show host.
Maybe Homer has heard rumblings from the University. But I'm not convinced that Homer is doing anything more than expressing his opinion -- perhaps learned -- about the coaching situation. I continue to believe that if the university seeks to give Wojo a vote of confidence, there's better ways to communicate it than Homer. Much better.
But c'mon, nobody is that bush league to use Homer as a mouthpiece. Wojo deserves better.
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I agree that seems to be the case. They want to see what promise this class brings along with a new approach without Markus. Wojo will be forced to adjust a lot, hopefully for the better.
I said this earlier this year, NEXT year is the year we really find out what kind of a Coach Wojo is...maybe the admin has that exact thought as well.
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Wojo deserves better.
I’m not so sure about that, hey?
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Homer is correct and he is just being logical. The admin is not going take that action and eat that money in anything short of a crisis. Now next year if they see blow out loses at home, no tournament invite and public opinion on the basketball program turns sour it might be enough to create a crisis.
Another year! We been there and done that.
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I said this earlier this year, NEXT year is the year we really find out what kind of a Coach Wojo is...maybe the admin has that exact thought as well.
Good God. You have not yet figured out what kind of coach he is after 6 friggin years? Realllly?
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Any thoughts on what the current recruiting class might be thinking? Possibly jumping ship?
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This is, especially this season, objectively false.
??? Markus has the 7th highest shot% in the 17 year history of the KenPom database
Not saying there's a better option, but I don't know how you could say this year is "objectively false" when it's actually "objectively true"
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Any thoughts on what the current recruiting class might be thinking? Possibly jumping ship?
I can guarantee one thing, they are not paying attention to message boards. Much more likely to be texting with coaches and players to get their information. I know all three are locked in and looking forward to playing for Wojo.
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I can guarantee one thing, they are not paying attention to message boards. Much more likely to be texting with coaches and players to get their information. I know all three are locked in and looking forward to playing for Wojo.
Or instagram, Facebook, Twitter, general public opinion etc.
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I can guarantee one thing, they are not paying attention to message boards. Much more likely to be texting with coaches and players to get their information. I know all three are locked in and looking forward to playing for Wojo.
What makes you think they are locked in at this point in time?
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What makes you think they are locked in at this point in time?
#Gatoknows....trust him when he speaks
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#Gatoknows....trust him when he speaks
Gato is giving his guarantee!
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Haven’t been to an MU game since Wojo became head coach. I’ve watched less games on TV each year. Only watched the DePaul embarrassment this year. His brand of basketball is boring.... one star hogs the ball, rely on 3 pt shots. I miss the old MU games with tough defense and athletes that can also play basketball. Apathy has set in long ago. The admin can keep Wojo as long as they like - the only way to force a change is to stop paying to see what is a boring product... Easy!
Dang. I thought I might be only one. I went to the Georgetown game last year, and haven't been to another game. Could only watch 4-5 games this year. Hero Ball is not great basketball
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His brand of basketball is boring.... one star hogs the ball, rely on 3 pt shots. I miss the old MU games with tough defense and athletes that can also play basketball.
This ^^^
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What makes you think they are locked in at this point in time?
Sometimes I get to speak with people who are involved.
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Sometimes I get to speak with people who are involved.
In that case... Anything to share on Mane?
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I'm hoping the recruits show up.
I'd guess it's pretty rare for a top 100 (without a coaching change), to decommit within three months of showing up on campus.
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I'm hoping the recruits show up.
I'd guess it's pretty rare for a top 100 (without a coaching change), to decommit within three months of showing up on campus.
Of course they’re going to show up. They’ve signed their NLIs. It’s not exactly a feather in Wojo’s cap that the recruits he’s signed for next year are still planning to come to Marquette.
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Of course they’re going to show up. They’ve signed their NLIs. It’s not exactly a feather in Wojo’s cap that the recruits he’s signed for next year are still planning to come to Marquette.
A 5 star and two 4 stars in a recruiting class will always be a feather in a coach’s cap at Marquette.
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A 5 star and two 4 stars in a recruiting class will always be a feather in a coach’s cap at Marquette.
I don’t disagree, I just don’t see why people thought they were going to back out. I can’t think of any instances where a Marquette player signed an NLI and then asked out of it to go to another school before he ever set foot on campus. That stuff just doesn’t happen.
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That’s odd. You were against Wojo before he even coached a game? Your interest must have started waning way before Wojo. After Al perhaps?
He ignored countless games against top 15 opponents and games featuring an AA and leading scorer in the country but chose to only watch their worst conference game of the year? What a joke.
Probably “roots for all Wisconsin teams to succeed”
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Butt of course if they are reading Scoop everyday , they would pull out and not come here ! ! ! 8-)
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I don’t disagree, I just don’t see why people thought they were going to back out. I can’t think of any instances where a Marquette player signed an NLI and then asked out of it to go to another school before he ever set foot on campus. That stuff just doesn’t happen.
Agreed. I don’t know where the idea of Garcia, Oso, or Lewis not showing up is coming from. That only happens if Wojo is not at MU next year.
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How many of these guys did he promise they could do whatever they want out there?
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How many of these guys did he promise they could do whatever they want out there?
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Butt of course if they are reading Scoop everyday , they would pull out and not come here ! ! ! 8-)
I don’t think a bunch of gifted athletes care what old white guys think on the internet
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How many of these guys did he promise they could do whatever they want out there?
My man PRN is on point.
When everyone has a green light, the only thing that's for certain is that there will eventually be a car wreck.
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My man PRN is on point.
When everyone has a green light, the only thing that's for certain is that there will eventually be a car wreck.
Everyone on the Bucks has a green light. They must’ve missed that guarantee.
For someone who cries about Wojo’s leash causing mind games, I would’ve thought you’d be fully against red lights.
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A 5 star and two 4 stars in a recruiting class will always be a feather in a coach’s cap at Marquette.
Kind of like that sophomore class Wojo inherited from Buzz to comprise the “empty cupboard.”
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Kind of like that sophomore class Wojo inherited from Buzz to comprise the “empty cupboard.”
Buzz left Wojo a 5 star? That's news to me.
But you're right. Buzz left the cupboard so full that he left him 2 of the top 6 players in minutes per game from a team that went 17-15 the year before. Only an incompetent coach could mess that up!
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??? Markus has the 7th highest shot% in the 17 year history of the KenPom database
Not saying there's a better option, but I don't know how you could say this year is "objectively false" when it's actually "objectively true"
He also leads the team in assist rate and it would be higher if the guys around him were making the shots he creates for them. With this group, he might not be shooting enough.
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Yes. The talent around Markus is not up to par. If he had upper level Big East talent around him the critics would not only be silent they would have already put up a banner for him.
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Yes. The talent around Markus is not up to par. If he had upper level Big East talent around him the critics would not only be silent they would have already put up a banner for him.
We had upper level BE talent last year and they walked.
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We had upper level BE talent last year and they walked wrote.
FIFY.
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Buzz left Wojo a 5 star? That's news to me.
But you're right. Buzz left the cupboard so full that he left him 2 of the top 6 players in minutes per game from a team that went 17-15 the year before. Only an incompetent coach could mess that up!
Still having the bare cupboard debate is embarrassing at this point for Projos.
LeBron James was on the Miami Heat when Wojo was hired. I would’ve expected the kitchen to be remodeled by now.
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Still having the bare cupboard debate is embarrassing at this point for Projos.
LeBron James was on the Miami Heat when Wojo was hired. I would’ve expected the kitchen to be remodeled by now.
There is one poster who brings up the lack of a bare cupboard. It isn't a projo. And I agree, it's embarrassing.
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We had upper level BE talent last year and they walked.
We did lose one last year in Sam. Joey had hit a wall for the better part of a month and a half and was complicit with the collapse. Sam and Joey would have made this team better this year. No doubt about that. Joey will be really good and Sam is already polished. Would have loved to see both stay and finish what they started. But they bailed.
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Meanwhile, Buzz has been named SEC coach of the year. Just had to go and mess with his happy. Can only imagine where the program would be right now if he were still here. Pisses me off
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We did lose one last year in Sam. Joey had hit a wall for the better part of a month and a half and was complicit with the collapse. Sam and Joey would have made this team better this year. No doubt about that. Joey will be really good and Sam is already polished. Would have loved to see both stay and finish what they started. But they bailed.
Would not be surprised to see Va. Make a deep run next year led by Sam. Wojo flubbed it good with Sam.
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Meanwhile, Buzz has been named SEC coach of the year. Just had to go and mess with his happy. Can only imagine where the program would be right now if he were still here. Pisses me off
If you think Buzz was a lifer here, you are fooling yourself. That being said, he is a better Coach than Wojo.
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Meanwhile, Buzz has been named SEC coach of the year. Just had to go and mess with his happy. Can only imagine where the program would be right now if he were still here. Pisses me off
I think it’s a leap to think Buzz is still here even if everything is rosy. I don’t think anyone at VT messed with his happy.
He strikes me as the type of guy that can talk him into needing to move every so often. He may have left for the Texas job the next year.
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Meanwhile, Buzz has been named SEC coach of the year. Just had to go and mess with his happy. Can only imagine where the program would be right now if he were still here. Pisses me off
The bolded line is an infantile way of looking at the issue.
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I think it’s a leap to think Buzz is still here even if everything is rosy. I don’t think anyone at VT messed with his happy.
He strikes me as the type of guy that can talk him into needing to move every so often. He may have left for the Texas job the next year.
Yeah. If nobody else was messing with Buzz's happy, Buzz was going to mess with his own happy. There's only so many times you can tell the story of cutting your teeth by eating McDonald's on the overnight bus drive rather than the private jet, or the butcher, baker, and candlestick maker. He was never going to be content in one spot for his whole career. TAMU wont' be his last stop.
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Losing Buzz, whatever the reason (and it’s layered) set the program back. Replacing him with Wojo set us back further.
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Losing Buzz, whatever the reason (and it’s layered) set the program back. Replacing him with Wojo set us back further.
This right here...this is Bingo to the nth degree. Well said Nickel
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FIFY.
Hard to question the motives of kids who end up at UVA and MSU. Two of the most selfless programs in the country. Your argument holds water if they run to Iowa State or Nebraska or even Bucky but look where they ended up.
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The bolded line is an infantile way of looking at the issue.
I didn't start messing with my happy until my early teen years.
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Meanwhile, Buzz has been named SEC coach of the year. Just had to go and mess with his happy. Can only imagine where the program would be right now if he were still here. Pisses me off
Cal was named COY.
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Cal was named COY.
Stop ruining a good narrative with facts.
That being said
Crean was picked to finish 9th in the SEC, he ended up 13th (5-13)
Buzz was picked to finish 12th in the SEC, he ended up T6th (10-8)
I doubt anyone is too surprised.
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If we were lucky, we’d have had Buzz up until the Louisville job opened up. But he was never spending his whole career here. And I say that as someone who loved Buzz as a coach.
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Stop ruining a good narrative with facts.
That being said
Crean was picked to finish 9th in the SEC, he ended up 13th (5-13)
Buzz was picked to finish 12th in the SEC, he ended up T6th (10-8)
I doubt anyone is too surprised.
MU picked for 4th, finished 6th.
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Everyone on the Bucks has a green light. They must’ve missed that guarantee.
For someone who cries about Wojo’s leash causing mind games, I would’ve thought you’d be fully against red lights.
Another awful take. You’re on a roll. And btw...JJJ was a 5-star.
I know I’m geeked about what Wojo can accomplish with Dawson. We saw how prolific we were with Henry. A missed NIT.
You can keep defending Wojo all you want. It doesn’t change the fact he’s the lease successful coach at MU since Dukiet - all while having the best resources conditions of any coach at MU.
Lastly, you do realize that through 6 years, just 3 players total have made it through all the way with Wojo: Heldt, Markus, Sacar.
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Wojo flubbed it good with Sam, by recruiting Joey to MU.
FIFY. I'm not saying any coach wouldn't have done the same thing, but if he hadn't brought Joey on, Sam would have stayed at MU. Without Joey in the picture, Sam was getting plenty of shots and being asked to carry a lot of the load. Even with Joey at MU, Sam was a huge part of the team and would have been this year as well.
That said, that ship sailed. Time to move on, hey?
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Another awful take. You’re on a roll. And btw...JJJ was a 5-star.
I know I’m geeked about what Wojo can accomplish with Dawson. We saw how prolific we were with Henry. A missed NIT.
You can keep defending Wojo all you want. It doesn’t change the fact he’s the lease successful coach at MU since Dukiet - all while having the best resources conditions of any coach at MU.
Lastly, you do realize that through 6 years, just 3 players total have made it through all the way with Wojo: Heldt, Markus, Sacar.
Elons, let me say that I’m on your side about Wojo. I want him gone from Marquette.
That said, while JJJ was a top 30 recruit (IIRC), I think it was obvious to everyone that he was overrated once he stepped on the floor for MU. His body wasn’t ready for college ball and he looked like he was about 15 years old as a freshman. Through the years, he also seemed to have maturity issues and got benched for conference games late in the year both his junior and senior seasons (again, IIRC).
His career was rather unfortunate. He had a lot of potential and just needed a coach who cared to get on his ass and make him the ballplayer he could’ve been. Some of that’s on JJJ, too. Unfortunately, he played his first year for a coach who had totally checked out, and then for a guy who had never been a head coach and, as we can see, is still struggling in the position.
Not to make this a JJJ thread. Then again, I’m no longer really sure what this thread is about!
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Another awful take. You’re on a roll. And btw...JJJ was a 5-star.
I know I’m geeked about what Wojo can accomplish with Dawson. We saw how prolific we were with Henry. A missed NIT.
You can keep defending Wojo all you want. It doesn’t change the fact he’s the lease successful coach at MU since Dukiet - all while having the best resources conditions of any coach at MU.
Lastly, you do realize that through 6 years, just 3 players total have made it through all the way with Wojo: Heldt, Markus, Sacar.
Like I said, JJJ being a 5 star is news to me. Would love to see that. Is that the "People Who Played High School Basketball Recruiting Rankings?" 4 star in both 247 and 247's composite, 4 star on ESPN, 4 star on Rivals.
I'm not defending anything about Wojo. I just think it's hilarious that you kick and scream about Wojo not allowing anyone but his "favorites" a green light...but then you talk about car crashes when too many people have a green light.
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Meanwhile, Buzz has been named SEC coach of the year. Just had to go and mess with his happy. Can only imagine where the program would be right now if he were still here. Pisses me off
What news source do you read that no one else in the world reads? He was not named coach of the year.
He isn’t here. He chose to leave. He did not perform well under the new rules. Coach Wojo is actually performing better under the new rules laid out by the administration. Maybe you should direct your anger at management.
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What news source do you read that no one else in the world reads? He was not named coach of the year.
He isn’t here. He chose to leave. He did not perform well under the new rules. Coach Wojo is actually performing better under the new rules laid out by the administration. Maybe you should direct your anger at management.
I’ve read some projo nonsense, but even the most devout projos aren’t ridiculous enough to assert this. Just stop. Stop making a fool of yourself. Buzz is 10x the coach Wojo is and it’s not even debatable.
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Cal was named COY.
This was tweeted out earlier...so maybe he won the media award..
https://twitter.com/TexAgs/status/1237404689727205376?s=20
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I’ve read some projo nonsense, but even the most devout projos aren’t ridiculous enough to assert this. Just stop. Stop making a fool of yourself. Buzz is 10x the coach Wojo is and it’s not even debatable.
Buzz is a better coach than Coach Wojo. We agree 10000%.
He is gone. The administration changed the rules on him. Under those new rules, he failed. Under the same rules, Coach Wojo has done pretty well, but not as well as previous coaches that had more flexibility on who they could recruit.
Coach Buzz decided he couldn’t win under the new rules despite being a better coach. His choice.
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Buzz is a better coach than Coach Wojo. We agree 10000%.
He is gone. The administration changed the rules on him. Under those new rules, he failed. Under the same rules, Coach Wojo has done pretty well, but not as well as previous coaches that had more flexibility on who they could recruit.
Coach Buzz decided he couldn’t win under the new rules despite being a better coach. His choice.
Glad to hear you say that. He’s a better coach and would better with better results under any “rules”
As for the bolded part it wasn’t nearly this black and white
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Buzz is a better coach than Coach Wojo. We agree 10000%.
He is gone. The administration changed the rules on him. Under those new rules, he failed. Under the same rules, Coach Wojo has done pretty well, but not as well as previous coaches that had more flexibility on who they could recruit.
Coach Buzz decided he couldn’t win under the new rules despite being a better coach. His choice.
Negative. Buzz lost his #1 recruiter at MU when MU decided to incur infractions. Buzz coached 1 season when his foot was half out the door, with the roster being reset. Wojo hasn't done a thing while shooting himself in the foot because he's inept mentally when it comes to coaching.
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Crean sucks
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Crean sucks
And Buzz was a scumbag.
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Stop ruining a good narrative with facts.
That being said
Crean was picked to finish 9th in the SEC, he ended up 13th (5-13)
Buzz was picked to finish 12th in the SEC, he ended up T6th (10-8)
I doubt anyone is too surprised.
Not just a good narrative. Cal won the COY as voted by the coaches. Buzz won the AP COY award.
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What news source do you read that no one else in the world reads? He was not named coach of the year.
He isn’t here. He chose to leave. He did not perform well under the new rules. Coach Wojo is actually performing better under the new rules laid out by the administration. Maybe you should direct your anger at management.
BS
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Buzz is a better coach than Coach Wojo. We agree 10000%.
He is gone. The administration changed the rules on him. Under those new rules, he failed. Under the same rules, Coach Wojo has done pretty well, but not as well as previous coaches that had more flexibility on who they could recruit.
Coach Buzz decided he couldn’t win under the new rules despite being a better coach. His choice.
Chico
Buzz won the Big East regular season co championship (in the old, much better Big East) and went to the Elite 8 with a roster totally devoid of jucos and non qualifiers. But it is true that your boy TC never won anything of consequence under those circumstances.
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Chico
Buzz won the Big East regular season co championship (in the old, much better Big East) and went to the Elite 8 with a roster totally devoid of jucos and non qualifiers. But it is true that your boy TC never won anything of consequence under those circumstances.
In fact, Buzz won the Big East regular season co championship and went to the Elite 8 with two players pursuing Masters degrees. Maybe Buzz was TOO academically focused, and that's why we couldn't shoot vs. Cuse in the Elite 8.
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What news source do you read that no one else in the world reads? He was not named coach of the year.
It’s called the AP, which is short for Associated Press. IDK for sure, but it’s probably the most read news source in the frickin’ world. And yes he was.
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WarriorDad = Chico
Chico, it was my understanding you were on vacation.
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WarriorDad = Chico
Chico, it was my understanding you were on vacation.
What’s a Chicos?
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It’s called the AP, which is short for Associated Press. IDK for sure, but it’s probably the most read news source in the frickin’ world. And yes he was.
Thank you. The official SEC Coach of the Year comes from the conference. Kentucky’s coach was the winner. Coach Williams is a great coach, he chose to leave Marquette when MU demanded some changes. He is not coming back, but I will continue to cheer for his success.