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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 07, 2020, 01:21:04 PM
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What an effort. True warriors.
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Great attempt, but another late season collapse by wojo. Something needs to be done
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Team played well but lots of bone-head plays at the end. MU always gets itself in an early hole and no comeback is ever enough. So many games would have been Ws if the first half wasnt a huge disaster. the 14 TOs in one half tell the story.
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What an effort. True warriors.
Didn’t we lose?
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Until wojo breaks from his unbreakable loyalty to Koby MU will continue to do the lose
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That was really good, but helped immensely by SJU missing free throws. Well until end.
Jayce started second half and then hardly played. I don't know if Theo even played in second half. Did he? Wojo went with that lineup for a long time, sprinkling in Koby and Bailey for just a few.
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Yeah - we rallied!!!!! And lost to a bottom feeder team missing their best player with a BET seed on the line.
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Didn’t we lose?
You made me double-check.
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Was a valiant effort. I liked our defensive aggresssion - pressing. That turned the tide. We’ve been a passive defense all year. Near bottom of D-1 in forced turnovers.
Love the way Mike Andersen coaches his teams. No wonder the guys has never had a losing season. Home run hire for St Johns.
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I’m a Nojo, but the effort those guys gave should be commended. They left it all out there and came back to have a shot at the end.
Now back to our regularly scheduled hand wringing.
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I’m a Nojo, but the effort those guys gave should be commended. They left it all out there and came back to have a shot at the end.
Now back to our regularly scheduled hand wringing.
Agreed. They deserve credit for fighting when they could’ve easily mailed it in.
How and why it took Wojo until the last game of the season to see we’re better when Anim controls the ball and GE plays more is beyond me. And pathetic.
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Agreed. They deserve credit for fighting when they could’ve easily mailed it in.
How and why it took Wojo until the last game of the season to see we’re better when Anim controls the ball and GE plays more is beyond me. And pathetic.
This is my issue with Wojo this year. Took him way too long to make adjustments. I understand Greg isn't conditioned enough to give him major minutes but it was very clear we're better with Sacar/Markus splitting the point duties
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Will the team just stay in New York, or come home and go back out on Tuesday?
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Henry
I am hoping they come back. I would like to welcome them back at the airport, if possible.
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This is my issue with Wojo this year. Took him way too long to make adjustments. I understand Greg isn't conditioned enough to give him major minutes but it was very clear we're better with Sacar/Markus splitting the point duties
Greg isn't conditioned enough? What the hell are you talking about. Wojo took his jacket off that was about the extent of his adjustments
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Henry
I am hoping they come back. I would like to welcome them back at the airport, if possible.
Very cool.
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Team played well but lots of bone-head plays at the end. MU always gets itself in an early hole and no comeback is ever enough. So many games would have been Ws if the first half wasnt a huge disaster. the 14 TOs in one half tell the story.
“played well”??? Brah, you forget teal.
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Good to see Greg play more minutes. Bailey plays too soft. Other teams double team Markus every minute. Kobe just doesn't contribute enough. Overall we play too slow. Wojo seems to quiet down when he's upset. Would rather see him explode to force up the team. Wish it were otherwise but we get what we see and what the record is with Wojo.
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I'd start this group Wednesday or Thursday...whenver the play again. Lost track.
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Stan gave a tutorial on how to conduct a huddle, Sacar's energy picked up the whole squad in the second half.
They became more aggressive and we saw how things need to be shaken up. Let's hope we don't revert back to the same old on Tues.
Go Warriors!
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Henry
I am hoping they come back. I would like to welcome them back at the airport, if possible.
Well played!
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Great attempt, but another late season collapse by wojo. Nothing needs to be done
FIFY
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FIFY
Thanks Badger fan. Nothing better to do then troll MU's board?
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Greg, Cain and Sy were a +35. Seems straightforward who to start with an arse on the line. MU won 75% of today’s game, while stomach fluing the other 25%.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/gomarquette.com/documents/2020/3/7/1389438.PDF
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Thanks Badger fan. Nothing better to do then troll MU's board?
Not a Badger fan. Son of an alum, an alum, father of two alum. Been here from the jump. My point was MU won’t do anything to change this. MU Admin is happy being mid to lower half of BEast.
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Greg isn't conditioned enough? What the hell are you talking about. Wojo took his jacket off that was about the extent of his adjustments
Greg has publicly talked about struggling to get into game shape after injuries. Did you even read what I posted?
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Not a Badger fan. Son of an alum, an alum, father of two alum. Been here from the jump. My point was MU won’t do anything to change this. MU Admin is happy being mid to lower half of BEast.
That's false. But you are right they won't do anything.
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Greg, Cain and Sy were a +35. Seems straightforward who to start with an arse on the line. MU won 75% of today’s game, while stomach fluing the other 25%.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/gomarquette.com/documents/2020/3/7/1389438.PDF
Three starters averaged -16 can't win a ball game that way. It's obvious from the stats who should start
We are far more aggressive and dangerous with the ball in Sacar's hands bringing it up.
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I'd like to know the odds of winning any game once you fall behind by 20+, as we've done in 3 of our last 4 losses. That's not competitive basketball. You're just not giving yourself much of a chance to win.
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Henry
I am hoping they come back. I would like to welcome them back at the airport, if possible.
Dang.
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Serious question...has MH ever hit a shot to send game into OT or win a game??
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Serious question...has MH ever hit a shot to send game into OT or win a game??
I was at the game. When Markus was walking it up instead of running down 2 with 13 seconds to go, I started putting my coat on. Every MU fan in the building knew what was going to happen, either a 3 with two players draped all over him or drive into a crowd with a turnover or a prayer. If we want him to take the last shot and you have that kind of time someone else has to bring the ball up and we have to screen to get him open, and if he doesn't get open take the ball to the hoop.
The place was more than half empty, quietest I have ever seen MSG for a game. If you think we're bad, we were sitting amongst some St Johns fans, and they were expecting a collapse at halftime. When they were up 12-0, they were betting each other if Marquette would reach double figures before they scored again. They were funny guys and at least I enjoyed that.
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The SJU player really made a great play. He had to reach across Markus without fouling to knock that ball away.
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That's false. But you are right they won't do anything.
Understood. Simply meant that by doing nothing the admin sends the message they are fine with mediocrity. I understand what they put in financially/resources would indicate otherwise. It just seems Woj has lost a good 60% of the fan base. People are melting down in the arena and lashing out at parents of players. This is an amazing sociological experiment.
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Understood. Simply meant that by doing nothing the admin sends the message they are fine with mediocrity. I understand what they put in financially/resources would indicate otherwise. It just seems Woj has lost a good 60% of the fan base. People are melting down in the arena and lashing out at parents of players. This is an amazing sociological experiment.
Yep. Actions speak louder than words. If they don’t move on from Wojo they’re telling us what they expect through inaction
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Henry
I am hoping they come back. I would like to welcome them back at the airport, if possible.
Might haveta fight thru da crowd at Timmerman, hey?
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Understood. Simply meant that by doing nothing the admin sends the message they are fine with mediocrity. I understand what they put in financially/resources would indicate otherwise. It just seems Woj has lost a good 60% of the fan base. People are melting down in the arena and lashing out at parents of players. This is an amazing sociological experiment.
and lashing out at parents of players. That is disturbing and disgusting
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Henry
I am hoping they come back. I would like to welcome them back at the airport, if possible.
Throwin' elbows through the crowd, eh?
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Correct. This isn’t the Father Wild regime. Lovell is a hack. The AD is a Notre Dame guy. Just happy to be 18-12, clean program. Total cluelessness on what MU hoops means to MU. Our future is our present.
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and lashing out at parents of players. That is disturbing and disgusting
It also didn't go down like that, but hey. Let's keep spreading that line too.
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What irritates me is that it took so long to experiment with different lineups when it's been obvious who is and isn't effective of late.
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What irritates me is that it took so long to experiment with different lineups when it's been obvious who is and isn't effective of late.
Throughout his history at MU, he doesn't make a great deal of in season adjustments. By and large, he does the same thing. He seems convinced that his way is the best way, and that the players simply need to perform correctly.
I had the game on, but was doing a bunch of stuff at the same time, so I didn't really see the timeouts like others have. But if Stan is the one that was actually directing the team, that to me is also disturbing.
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I realize brendan bailey has looked like a deer in the headlights the last 4 weeks and along with Koby has slowed the ball down, turned the ball over and bricked shots. We all know this. Maybe the most disappointing part of it all is he no longer rebounds either!! Zero Yesterday.
Unfortunately zero confidence in our coach to not continue playing the players that are performing the worst
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What irritates me is that it took so long to experiment with different lineups when it's been obvious who is and isn't effective of late.
As someone else put it a short while back, Wojo’s adjustment to something that’s not working is, try harder!!
I realize this is oversimplifying it but yeah, he struggles mightily when the script isn’t working. This is the biggest reason I’ve concluded he’s just not a good coach. He has no counterpunch.
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As someone else put it a short while back, Wojo’s adjustment to something that’s not working is, try harder!!
I realize this is oversimplifying it but yeah, he struggles mightily when the script isn’t working. This is the biggest reason I’ve concluded he’s just not a good coach. He has no counterpunch.
Amen! This is exactly it.
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What irritates me is that it took so long to experiment with different lineups when it's been obvious who is and isn't effective of late.
+1000
It’s beyond frustrating.
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Throughout his history at MU, he doesn't make a great deal of in season adjustments. By and large, he does the same thing. He seems convinced that his way is the best way, and that the players simply need to perform correctly.
I had the game on, but was doing a bunch of stuff at the same time, so I didn't really see the timeouts like others have. But if Stan is the one that was actually directing the team, that to me is also disturbing.
He is a systems coach and thinks the answers lie somewhere within the execution of his systems once he settles on his lineup. It's the Duke Way. It's less about match-ups for him.
As the past couple of seasons have shown, the second and third time through his teams get rolled. Same thing with his record versus KPom 25. I mean, the odds of MU losing ALL those 12 games at the end of the past two seasons (with most games MU being favored in) were to the fifth decimal place infinitesimal.
One of the reasons I am happy X lost is that he would have rolled the same lineup out against DU, afraid of the L. With the opponent SH, he might change it up. If he doesn't take this chance to mix it up, I don't know what to tell you.
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As someone else put it a short while back, Wojo’s adjustment to something that’s not working is, try harder!!
I realize this is oversimplifying it but yeah, he struggles mightily when the script isn’t working. This is the biggest reason I’ve concluded he’s just not a good coach. He has no counterpunch.
Yep. I was dumbfounded when they began showing the in the huddle segments 5 years ago: "You gotta fight." "Compete. Compete. Compete." "Play angry." Just a few of the gems we've heard.
It comes as no surprise though. Wojo is the inventor of the floor slap. He's the stereotypical poster boy for the try hard white guy. Why some would expect him to be able to coach with nuance, intuition, or feel would be just as ridiculous as asking an artist to become a meathead.
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I love when people complain about the in the huddle segments.
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What irritates me is that it took so long to experiment with different lineups when it's been obvious who is and isn't effective of late.
As Wojo said in his post-game interview with Homer, when asked about those changes : " Sometimes it's desperate times ".... 8-)
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I love when people complain about the in game huddle segments.
Right. There is plenty of evidence to suggest he doesn’t make changes, but the in game huddle segments aren’t an example. They don’t show tactical changes.
But you can explain that to some people over an over and they’ll still jot learn.
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I love when people complain about the in the huddle segments.
My favorite was the yoga breathing cuddle.
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Right. There is plenty of evidence to suggest he doesn’t make changes, but the in game huddle segments aren’t an example. They don’t show tactical changes.
But you can explain that to some people over an over and they’ll still jot learn.
LMAO - "They don't show tactical changes." You know why? Because Wojo generally doesn't have any. This has been the myth purported by the ProJos. PURE B.S.
The whole point of showing those segments is to give viewers insight into what strategies/suggestions are being employed real time.
I've never seen coaches motion into the cameramen - "hey, you can now come in here and record this huddle...we are done talking tactics and its simply coach speak from here on out."
So when Kevin Willard is saying - "We are doing a great job. Let Howard get his. Don't let the other guys get off," that isn't a "tactic?" Okay Fluffy. Join Wades and continue to carry on with your ignorance.
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LMAO - "They don't show tactical changes." You know why? Because Wojo generally doesn't have any. This has been the myth purported by the ProJos. PURE B.S.
The whole point of showing those segments is to give viewers insight into what strategies/suggestions are being employed real time.
I've never seen coaches motion into the cameramen - "hey, you can now come in here and record this huddle...we are done talking tactics and its simply coach speak from here on out."
So when Kevin Willard is saying - "We are doing a great job. Let Howard get his. Don't let the other guys get off," that isn't a "tactic?" Okay Fluffy. Join Wades and continue to carry on with your ignorance.
You believe what you want to believe. It doesn't make it any truer.
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Right. There is plenty of evidence to suggest he doesn’t make changes, but the in game huddle segments aren’t an example. They don’t show tactical changes.
But you can explain that to some people over an over and they’ll still jot learn.
They do show tactical changes from other coaches or at least instruction. I'm with you, though, that what you see in TV timeouts are not indicative of much of anything.
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I realize brendan bailey has looked like a deer in the headlights the last 4 weeks and along with Koby has slowed the ball down, turned the ball over and bricked shots. We all know this. Maybe the most disappointing part of it all is he no longer rebounds either!! Zero Yesterday.
Unfortunately zero confidence in our coach to not continue playing the players that are performing the worst
Agreed. This is the most frustrating part. The job of the head coach is to win games, not stay loyal to recruiting promises made. If there are other options on your bench they need to be utilized. Would love to see a different starting lineup this week or at least an ultra quick hook for underperformance/boneheaded turnovers. A Mike Deane approach with a timeout after only 30 seconds after the teams first turnover may be useful.
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I love when people complain about the in the huddle segments.
They are pretty bad. If there was a product on the court to reassure us, I would agree that they are trivial. But when the coaching he's doing in the huddle is as mediocre as the results on the court year in and year out, you'd have to be blind or stupid to ignore a correlation.
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The in huddle is notable because it is giving us a glimpse of the coach at work. It is no different than being in on a conference call or office meeting with a poor communicator. I would be shocked if anyone on here has never commented on a co-worker or superior being laughable in meeting environment. Wojo does not give off a lot of confidence in his huddle talks.
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Huddles are sound bites
But compare Wojo's and Stan's soundbites.
Stan's are way better. Seriously.
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Huddles are sound bites
But compare Wojo's and Stan's soundbites.
Stan's are way better. Seriously.
They are! But it doesn't mean anything.
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Apologize in advance for not having a source, but I remember hearing about these “in the huddle” segments and I think they are just part of the contract with Fox that each team has to participate in. I think they are just for entertainment purposes only and no actual strategy is revealed in them.
(P.S. it seems we are due for one of those annoying “mic’d up” broadcasts.)
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I was at the game. When Markus was walking it up instead of running down 2 with 13 seconds to go, I started putting my coat on. Everyone MU fan in the building knew what was going to happen, either a 3 with two players draped all over him or drive into a crowd with a turnover. or a prayer.
Every. Single. Time. Everyone in the building knows that the ball is never going to come out of Markus' hands in those situations, even when the opposing team is running three players at him.
I won't miss that next year.
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Every. Single. Time. Everyone in the building knows that the ball is never going to come out of Markus' hands in those situations, even when the opposing team is running three players at him.
I won't miss that next year.
You won't miss Wojo next year either. And there is the real problem.