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I know passion is running high this night. Still, 5 out of 6 makes one wonder, especially after the performance late in the season last year. What say you?

For the first time all year, I feel like Wojo should be coaching for his job from here on out. I'm very patient, but this is bad.

Should have gone after last season's collapse and Hausershima, but here we are.

I voted yes but I'll give him the rest of the year to redeem himself. Not optimistic

I'll say what I said when wojo lost to Belmont then beat IUPUI in overtime with Henry Ellenson.

He is in over his head and looks like he has no idea what he is doing

Quote from: brewcity77 on March 03, 2020, 10:03:51 PM
For the first time all year, I feel like Wojo should be coaching for his job from here on out. I'm very patient, but this is bad.

Join us. Join us. Join us. Join us.

Quote from: brewcity77 on March 03, 2020, 10:03:51 PM
For the first time all year, I feel like Wojo should be coaching for his job from here on out. I'm very patient, but this is bad.

Coming from you Al, that's saying something

John Beilein.

Tanned. Rested. Ready.

Quote from: brewcity77 on March 03, 2020, 10:03:51 PM
For the first time all year, I feel like Wojo should be coaching for his job from here on out. I'm very patient, but this is bad.

He's just not the guy MU needs, and none of the next 3 games should change that.

We should all savor MU's appearance in the dance this year as it will be our last for 3-4 years.

Quote from: keefe on March 03, 2020, 10:08:37 PM
John Beilein.

Tanned. Rested. Ready.

I'm sensing a theme.  Gosh, I wish it would happen.

10 plus years no tourney win very possible. Sad. Very sad

We will have a coaching vacancy in the next 30 days.  Wojo will find another "opportunity" and ride off into the sunset to save face.  Our recruits will ask for their release from their LOI's.  That's how this works.

Quote from: brewcity77 on March 03, 2020, 10:03:51 PM
For the first time all year, I feel like Wojo should be coaching for his job from here on out. I'm very patient, but this is bad.

So what does he need to do to keep/lose it?

Quote from: warriorfred on March 03, 2020, 10:09:36 PM
I'm sensing a theme.  Gosh, I wish it would happen.

Don't get your hopes up.  We pay pretty well, but not that good.

Seriously, and I hope I am wrong, who would want wojo after the last 2 season collapses,

Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 03, 2020, 10:08:50 PM
He's just not the guy MU needs, and none of the next 3 games should change that.

We should all savor MU's appearance in the dance this year as it will be our last for 3-4 years.

There are moments where you have a game in hand and have to close it out. Providence at home, at Butler, and tonight. They had sizable late leads in all three. After each game, my thought was "that's a loss you just can't afford" when it comes to seeding.

And we had similar leads in the 4-game losing streak last year. There have been more positives than the anti-Wojo crowd care to admit, but this is a disturbing trend that worries me going forward. And if he's not the guy, no recruiting class is worth keeping for a coach that is taking you backwards.

Quote from: 94Warrior on March 03, 2020, 10:10:52 PM
We will have a coaching vacancy in the next 30 days.  Wojo will find another "opportunity" and ride off into the sunset to save face.  Our recruits will ask for their release from their LOI's.  That's how this works.

Feel very confident about this. Saves big money too.  Wojo will go back "home" to a mid-major in Maryland or Virginia.

Quote from: PointWarrior on March 03, 2020, 10:13:23 PM
Seriously, and I hope I am wrong, who would want wojo after the last 2 season collapses,

Could you imagine being a fan of a program and trying to get excited about wojo being your new HC.   I just dont see it. 

Wojo should be fired first thing tomorrow morning!

Dead man walking

Quote from: Warrior of Law on March 03, 2020, 10:15:56 PM
Feel very confident about this. Saves big money too.  Wojo will go back "home" to a mid-major in Maryland or Virginia.

Can't see him taking an obvious step down. If he's looking for an escape route, Wake Forest seems most likely.

I never felt a sense of urgency with Wojo.  It was always, we're building something AND we're doing it the right way. 

My argument was, that's fine if A) he's the right guy (never felt that) and B) he stays (who knows).

Buzz love him or leave him acted like next weeks paycheck was dependent on winning tonight's game.  Chris Beard is another one.  Megan Duffy too.  Coach em up, coach em up, coach em up. 

In 6 years I have never heard Steve say anything that made me think, wow that's really insightful or wow this guy is next level.   Nice guy, wears the blue & gold ties well. 

I had a feeling last year was Wojo's high water mark of his coaching career......... I hate when I'm right.

If he's back next year, we'll be lucky to be .500. 

Quote from: 94Warrior on March 03, 2020, 10:10:52 PM
We will have a coaching vacancy in the next 30 days.  Wojo will find another "opportunity" and ride off into the sunset to save face.  Our recruits will ask for their release from their LOI's.  That's how this works.

Had you posted this a week ago, I would have really agreed with it and it's exactly how I felt...but I'm not so sure how it'll go down anymore. He's really coaching himself out of any other P6 opportunities. If he wants to take a huge pay cut and try and win at a mid major, I guess he can go for it but he'd look pretty stupid in the process.

Quote from: Warrior of Law on March 03, 2020, 10:15:56 PM
Feel very confident about this. Saves big money too.  Wojo will go back "home" to a mid-major in Maryland or Virginia.

Wake Forest. 

The iconic illustration of Wojo's tenure at Marquette should be his utterly pissed off face during Markus's senior day speech.  As if the fans booing him lost the game in the first five minutes.  It's always someone/something else.  You suck Wojo.  Leave.

Quote from: keefe on March 03, 2020, 10:08:37 PM
John Beilein.

Tanned. Rested. Ready.

I agree, Beilein could turn this program around.

Shaka turning his season around at UT could potentially be good news for MU.

I don't think MU fires Woj, but if they did, MU seems like the best opening that would be available.

If he loses @ SJU and then does not win the BET or win a game or two in the dance, then it's probably time.

Quote from: CountryRoads on March 03, 2020, 10:20:12 PM
Had you posted this a week ago, I would have really agreed with it and it's exactly how I felt...but I'm not so sure how it'll go down anymore. He's really coaching himself out of any other P6 opportunities. If he wants to take a huge pay cut and try and win at a mid major, I guess he can go for it but he'd look pretty stupid in the process.

His last two Feb/March performances haven't exactly helped.

At the end of the day, he was never ready for this big of a job. And this kind of flop with a high profile assistant should make the powers that be reconsider the idea of hiring anyone without head coaching experience. Buzz was unique, and we lucked out with him. Maybe we can't get a P6 guy, but making a push for an experienced HC should be a priority.

Quote from: brewcity77 on March 03, 2020, 10:14:50 PM
There are moments where you have a game in hand and have to close it out. Providence at home, at Butler, and tonight. They had sizable late leads in all three. After each game, my thought was "that's a loss you just can't afford" when it comes to seeding.

And we had similar leads in the 4-game losing streak last year. There have been more positives than the anti-Wojo crowd care to admit, but this is a disturbing trend that worries me going forward. And if he's not the guy, no recruiting class is worth keeping for a coach that is taking you backwards.

True, true.

I don't have the desire to research this now but does anyone know if there are any current P6 coaches who are as long or longer tenured than Wojo who have yet to win a tournament game?

Fly to Vegas
Hand TJ a blank check
Call a press conference
Plan a parade

Quote from: CountryRoads on March 03, 2020, 11:06:35 PM
I don't have the desire to research this now but does anyone know if there are any current P6 coaches who are as long or longer tenured than Wojo who have yet to win a tournament game?

Pat Chambers

Quote from: The Lens on March 03, 2020, 10:21:19 PM
Wake Forest.

Maybe, but I think that would be a hard sell to Wake, it's boosters and fans based upon Wojo record and him being a 'Dookie'.

Quote from: CountryRoads on March 03, 2020, 11:06:35 PM
I don't have the desire to research this now but does anyone know if there are any current P6 coaches who are as long or longer tenured than Wojo who have yet to win a tournament game?

Danny Manning

Is there any chance Wojo just steps down at the end of the season?  Is that unprecedented for a coach in college basketball?  He looks completely miserable on the sidelines right now.

Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 03, 2020, 11:19:52 PM
Is there any chance Wojo just steps down at the end of the season?  Is that unprecedented for a coach in college basketball?  He looks completely miserable on the sidelines right now.

The question that should be asked is...... are there anymore steps to step down from now?

No. It's tempting but all you would do is screw over the next coach. Do it right, wait a season, get the right coach, and give him a young core to build around. And maybe Wojo finds a way to turn it around.

Quote from: TAMU Garcia on March 03, 2020, 11:51:52 PM
No. It's tempting but all you would do is screw over the next coach. Do it right, wait a season, get the right coach, and give him a young core to build around. And maybe Wojo finds a way to turn it around.

Wojo retained every single one of the players on the MU roster when he took over as coach and people still say he inherited a dumpster fire.  And that roster had seven Top 100 recruits, including two guys who've seen action in the NBA.  There's no such thing as a new coach coming in and having a "young core" to build around.  This isn't pro sports.  There's no guarantee any of our players would stay if we hired someone new.  This might be a situation where MU just needs to bite the bullet.

Quote from: brewcity77 on March 03, 2020, 10:14:50 PM
There are moments where you have a game in hand and have to close it out. Providence at home, at Butler, and tonight. They had sizable late leads in all three. After each game, my thought was "that's a loss you just can't afford" when it comes to seeding.

And we had similar leads in the 4-game losing streak last year. There have been more positives than the anti-Wojo crowd care to admit, but this is a disturbing trend that worries me going forward. And if he's not the guy, no recruiting class is worth keeping for a coach that is taking you backwards.

I'm in the same boat as you, Brew. I have never called for Wojo's removal. I knew he was not a great coach, but was hoping talent could overcome that fact. But, the sad truth is that without MH, this game would have been for last place in the BE.

We have the evidence. We can see the record and the collapses. We also have the evidence that we see with our eyes. We can't be in a situation where a guy with the offensive skills of Derrick Wilson decides the fate of the team. We can't watch the mid-range games of other teams in the bE while we have none. Wojo is near the bottom of the list when it comes to ranking coaches in the BE.

Finally, the time has come. We need a change at the top.

Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 04, 2020, 12:09:17 AM
Wojo retained every single one of the players on the MU roster when he took over as coach and people still say he inherited a dumpster fire.  And that roster had seven Top 100 recruits, including two guys who've seen action in the NBA.  There's no such thing as a new coach coming in and having a "young core" to build around.  This isn't pro sports.  There's no guarantee any of our players would stay if we hired someone new.  This might be a situation where MU just needs to bite the bullet.

He did inherit a dumpster fire. A team that missed the NIT and then lost 5 of the top 6 players on the roster...and the 1 remaining was Derrick Wilson!

If we have to hire a new coach in the next two seasons, it will be higher stakes than the last time. We cannot afford two bad hires in a row. Make the wrong hire and us becoming SLU may be a reality. That would be over a decade of irrelevance. Knowing those stakes, take the time, do the hire right. Don't put the university in a position where they have to scramble and make a quick decision out of a small pool of candidates.

Problem has been no team  building. One shooter does not win games. Wojo does not/can not adjust. Very one dimensional offense with poor passing and ball handling. Drive into a crowd and lose the ball, great plan Wojo.

I see no way forward with this coach.

It seemed that Wojo coaches to lose. My God he had the team playing slow down, half court to let Dr Paul win. With the exception of Markus, the players followed Wojo's lead to lose. I have been a So no supporter until now but last night proved he so clearly a poor coach. Night after night the team under performs. Look at how well the Badgers are playing by being "coached up." Sadly, our kids are being "coached down." Wojo may be a good recruiter but he is a bad coach who doesn't know how to coach to win.

Quote from: 94Warrior on March 03, 2020, 10:10:52 PM
We will have a coaching vacancy in the next 30 days.  Wojo will find another "opportunity" and ride off into the sunset to save face.  Our recruits will ask for their release from their LOI's.  That's how this works.

Dont know about this , but if so, it will be another sad ending in the never ending saga of MU finding the right guy who will lead us out of this nightmare and desire to ride the train for a long time. If it happens, not confident MU will make a good decision. Continued disappointment over the results of the Wojo regime.

I'm finally on the fire Wojo train.  But I don't think they can him unless they have someone in mind that they want and think they can get.  If that's TJO or Beilien or God-forbid Wardle or whoever, they need to have their guy before they can Wojo. 

Quote from: 94Warrior on March 03, 2020, 10:10:52 PM
We will have a coaching vacancy in the next 30 days.  Wojo will find another "opportunity" and ride off into the sunset to save face.  Our recruits will ask for their release from their LOI's.  That's how this works.

Wojo to the Gophers?

Wojo is who I and others thought he was all along. I've continued to say I haven't seen any measurable growth from him as a coach since his first game and this season has been beyond evidence of that.

Quote from: MUDish on March 03, 2020, 10:22:17 PM
Shaka turning his season around at UT could potentially be good news for MU.

I don't think MU fires Woj, but if they did, MU seems like the best opening that would be available.

I was just going to say this. I would love Texas to go on a run and for Shaka to keep his job. That would make us the most enticing. But, we'll most likely keep Wojo. Sigh

Quote from: brewcity77 on March 03, 2020, 10:03:51 PM
For the first time all year, I feel like Wojo should be coaching for his job from here on out. I'm very patient, but this is bad.

Quote from: brewcity77 on March 03, 2020, 10:14:50 PM
There are moments where you have a game in hand and have to close it out. Providence at home, at Butler, and tonight. They had sizable late leads in all three. After each game, my thought was "that's a loss you just can't afford" when it comes to seeding.

And we had similar leads in the 4-game losing streak last year. There have been more positives than the anti-Wojo crowd care to admit, but this is a disturbing trend that worries me going forward. And if he's not the guy, no recruiting class is worth keeping for a coach that is taking you backwards.

Brew's comments in this thread sum up my feelings pretty well this morning.

I'm a long time lurker , with a substantial history of Marquette fandom. I'm an alum and my kid is too. I've never been a season ticket holder, but until a few years ago was the kind of fan who attended about half of the MU home games.

I questioned the Wojo hiring pretty early, mostly because I saw a lack of in game coaching ability that really worried me. In year three I decided that maybe I'd been unfair, and I tried to take a step back and give the guy a chance. After the shellacking we took at the hands of SC in the tournament that year, I pretty quickly inched back in the other direction. I told myself I wouldn't get sucked back in to a WoJo coached team in a meaningful way, because the aggravation was hard to take. I decided to be a casual fan and hope he proves me wrong. I followed the team from afar, and didn't spend any money of tickets from that point forward. As they climbed in the ranks last year I thought "maybe all those people who said give him time were right," and I let myself get sucked back in for a while. Last year's collapse really cemeted by indiffierence to the program under this coach though.  So much so that when the Hausers left I had very little reaction to it. I checked out pretty much completely.

I continued to follow the team only by seeing scores after the fact. I stayed away from message boards and the MU fandom that had driven my winter sports experience in the past. Recently my curiosity got he best of me  though and I started to do a little lurking here again. After seeing the score this morning I came back to see where the die hard consensus was. It looks like it's drifting steadily away from WoJo.

Some people here will call me a "fair weather," or "band wagon," or "bad," fan. And they may be right. I wasn't able to take the aggravation that Marquette basketball was causing in my life so I checked out. If that's bad fandom, I plead guilty. But at this point it seems like the program is a mess. I know  some people  point toward a slow incremental overall positive movement, but really the question everyone needs to answer for themselves is whether it's enough given how long WoJo has been in charge. Personally I'm not satisfied with just making the tournament.

I have no idea if the powers that be will move on from WoJo, but they should be worried about the indifference of fans like me. I think more die hards will become casual fans or less if they don't do something to get this moving in the right direction. Six years is a long time for this kind of performance. And it seems to me there are no quick fixes right now. Personally I don't see how sticking with the coach who got the program to this point makers sense, but clearly opinions vary.

Quote from: MUL98 on March 04, 2020, 08:28:57 AM
I have no idea if the powers that be will move on from WoJo, but they should be worried about the indifference of fans like me.

+1.  I had season tickets for 19 years and dropped them this season.

Quote from: MUL98 on March 04, 2020, 08:28:57 AM
I'm a long time lurker , with a substantial history of Marquette fandom. I'm an alum and my kid is too. I've never been a season ticket holder, but until a few years ago was the kind of fan who attended about half of the MU home games.

I questioned the Wojo hiring pretty early, mostly because I saw a lack of in game coaching ability that really worried me. In year three I decided that maybe I'd been unfair, and I tried to take a step back and give the guy a chance. After the shellacking we took at the hands of SC in the tournament that year, I pretty quickly inched back in the other direction. I told myself I wouldn't get sucked back in to a WoJo coached team in a meaningful way, because the aggravation was hard to take. I decided to be a casual fan and hope he proves me wrong. I followed the team from afar, and didn't spend any money of tickets from that point forward. As they climbed in the ranks last year I thought "maybe all those people who said give him time were right," and I let myself get sucked back in for a while. Last year's collapse really cemeted by indiffierence to the program under this coach though.  So much so that when the Hausers left I had very little reaction to it. I checked out pretty much completely.

I continued to follow the team only by seeing scores after the fact. I stayed away from message boards and the MU fandom that had driven my winter sports experience in the past. Recently my curiosity got he best of me  though and I started to do a little lurking here again. After seeing the score this morning I came back to see where the die hard consensus was. It looks like it's drifting steadily away from WoJo.

Some people here will call me a "fair weather," or "band wagon," or "bad," fan. And they may be right. I wasn't able to take the aggravation that Marquette basketball was causing in my life so I checked out. If that's bad fandom, I plead guilty. But at this point it seems like the program is a mess. I know  some people  point toward a slow incremental overall positive movement, but really the question everyone needs to answer for themselves is whether it's enough given how long WoJo has been in charge. Personally I'm not satisfied with just making the tournament.

I have no idea if the powers that be will move on from WoJo, but they should be worried about the indifference of fans like me. I think more die hards will become casual fans or less if they don't do something to get this moving in the right direction. Six years is a long time for this kind of performance. And it seems to me there are no quick fixes right now. Personally I don't see how sticking with the coach who got the program to this point makers sense, but clearly opinions vary.

The higher ups should be worried.  You have an arena that's essentially 2,000 seats smaller, yet you have to continually put MU seat covers out in the student section.  The energy isn't there anymore and it's dwindling.  Once you lose the students who create the atmosphere, the next domino to fall is the season ticket holders who line the pockets.   This is a failing product that's going into a mini rebuild next year.   Most don't know how much Howard will be missed.

Last night really sucked.  That being said, if we win at SJU, beat DePaul in the 7/10 game, and win an NCAA game, I'm OK sticking with Wojo.  If we lose out, I'm done.

Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on March 04, 2020, 08:56:14 AM
The higher ups should be worried.  You have an arena that's essentially 2,000 seats smaller, yet you have to continually put MU seat covers out in the student section.  The energy isn't there anymore and it's dwindling.  Once you lose the students who create the atmosphere, the next domino to fall is the season ticket holders who line the pockets.   This is a failing product that's going into a mini rebuild next year.   Most don't know how much Howard will be missed.

And these students become future alums.  Alums donate. 

You want to give your students the best of time at MU so that when they are mid-career, they reflect upon their time at Marquette fondly.

Quote from: Litehouse on March 04, 2020, 08:59:23 AM
Last night really sucked.  That being said, if we win at SJU, beat DePaul in the 7/10 game, and win an NCAA game, I'm OK sticking with Wojo.  If we lose out, I'm done.

This is about where I'm at.  To me, there is plenty of opportunity to redeem themselves.  I'll be honest that I'm not very optimistic, but its not like they don't have chances in front of them.