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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Herman Cain on March 03, 2020, 09:21:56 PM

Title: Poll: Will MU Make NCAA Tournament?
Post by: Herman Cain on March 03, 2020, 09:21:56 PM
Given the recent weak performance, will MU still be invited to the NCAA Tournament this year ?

Title: Re: Poll: Will MU Make NCAA Tournament?
Post by: brewcity77 on March 03, 2020, 09:23:20 PM
Yes, they are a lock, stop this stupidity.
Title: Re: Poll: Will MU Make NCAA Tournament?
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on March 03, 2020, 09:23:22 PM
I'm abstaining from voting.  But Fox flashing that "tournament resume" graphic for MU with 0.8 seconds left should be plenty to show that there is genuine peril.
Title: Re: Poll: Will MU Make NCAA Tournament?
Post by: Mike Deane's Seat Belt on March 03, 2020, 09:23:26 PM
Why waste a bid on a team that is sliding face first into march.  They are incapable of beating anyone good at this point
Title: Re: Poll: Will MU Make NCAA Tournament?
Post by: RushmoreAcademy on March 03, 2020, 09:25:00 PM
Don’t like to say games are must win but the next one seems pretty important....
Title: Re: Poll: Will MU Make NCAA Tournament?
Post by: Cfollow on March 03, 2020, 09:25:20 PM
Nope, they lose out and the NCAA only has to say that the NET ranking is only one of many evaluation tools, which is correct, and they can leave this disaster to the NIT.
Title: Re: Poll: Will MU Make NCAA Tournament?
Post by: RideMyBuycks on March 03, 2020, 09:25:30 PM
Not sure why we need a poll when it’s already a lock
Title: Re: Poll: Will MU Make NCAA Tournament?
Post by: BLWarrior91 on March 03, 2020, 09:25:46 PM
Yes but they don't deserve it and won't last long the way they're playing.
Title: Re: Poll: Will MU Make NCAA Tournament?
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 03, 2020, 09:25:56 PM
This is a stupid thread.
Title: Re: Poll: Will MU Make NCAA Tournament?
Post by: warriors141 on March 03, 2020, 09:26:01 PM
who cares? do I want to watch this meltdown last for one more game? Not really
Title: Re: Poll: Will MU Make NCAA Tournament?
Post by: muguru on March 03, 2020, 09:26:58 PM
Yes, they are a lock, stop this stupidity.

No offense Brew, but are you really and truly proud of that?? Really??
Title: Re: Poll: Will MU Make NCAA Tournament?
Post by: 🏀 on March 03, 2020, 09:27:13 PM
Will anybody care when they do make it?
Title: Re: Poll: Will MU Make NCAA Tournament?
Post by: Shark on March 03, 2020, 09:28:33 PM
At this point I'd almost rather they just stay home.
Title: Re: Poll: Will MU Make NCAA Tournament?
Post by: RideMyBuycks on March 03, 2020, 09:29:19 PM
Will anybody care when they do make it?

No, but that’s not the poll question
Title: Re: Poll: Will MU Make NCAA Tournament?
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on March 03, 2020, 09:29:38 PM
This is a stupid thread.
"Stupid" this, "stupid" that, "idiots", "morons", etc.  Open your eyes man.  Look at the steaming pile of trash on the court that just lost to laughable Depaul.  Fox Sports flashed a "tournament resume" graphic on us tonight.

WAKE UP!
Title: Re: Poll: Will MU Make NCAA Tournament?
Post by: PointWarrior on March 03, 2020, 09:29:55 PM
A) don’t care as they suck

b) don’t care how many q1 wins they have finishing 1-7!tonend the year they won’t get selected
Title: Re: Poll: Will MU Make NCAA Tournament?
Post by: Mike Deane's Seat Belt on March 03, 2020, 09:31:46 PM
Best thing that could happen is mu “gets snubbed” and we see wojo flounder when the media interviews him on selection sunday.   Lets get them coals stoked under his seat once and for all !
Title: Re: Poll: Will MU Make NCAA Tournament?
Post by: brewcity77 on March 03, 2020, 09:40:17 PM
No offense Brew, but are you really and truly proud of that?? Really??

Not sure what that has to do with the question at hand. I answered the question. Marquette is in. Period. If you don't believe me, check with another bracketologist:

https://twitter.com/hardwiredsports/status/1235042606003806209?s=21

"Easily still an NCAA Tournament team..."

They are in. No one has to like it, no one has to be happy with 1-4 in the last 5 or be content losing to DePaul (I'm not) but THEY ARE DANCING, IT'S A REALITY. I'm sick of the ignorant posters trying to assert otherwise while knowing nothing about the bubble.
Title: Re: Poll: Will MU Make NCAA Tournament?
Post by: Cfollow on March 03, 2020, 09:53:09 PM
Not sure what that has to do with the question at hand. I answered the question. Marquette is in. Period. If you don't believe me, check with another bracketologist:

https://twitter.com/hardwiredsports/status/1235042606003806209?s=21

"Easily still an NCAA Tournament team..."

They are in. No one has to like it, no one has to be happy with 1-4 in the last 5 or be content losing to DePaul (I'm not) but THEY ARE DANCING, IT'S A REALITY. I'm sick of the ignorant posters trying to assert otherwise while knowing nothing about the bubble.

Stop the presses!!!!!  Brewcity has locked down the bubble and has declared that no teams will steal bids and no teams will improve their standing. Talk about ignorant!
Rutgers beat Maryland tonight and Purdue is destroying Iowa in Iowa but do not worry MU fans brewcity has locked the bubble down! I am glad this last two weeks of the season doesn’t matter.
Title: Re: Poll: Will MU Make NCAA Tournament?
Post by: brewcity77 on March 03, 2020, 10:00:15 PM
Stop the presses!!!!!  Brewcity has locked down the bubble and has declared that no teams will steal bids and no teams will improve their standing. Talk about ignorant!

National media are in disbelief that people think Marquette might not make the tournament. If you believe this, you are an idiot.

We aren't on the bubble. We aren't close to the bubble. We aren't one of the programs sweating if ETSU or San Diego State gets knocked out of their tournament.

Honestly, tonight is one of those nights where I take a big step closer to the "this might not be the guy" wagon, but that is wholly disconnected from whether we will be in the tournament. We will be in. There aren't enough bid thieves to keep us out.
Title: Re: Poll: Will MU Make NCAA Tournament?
Post by: GooooMarquette on March 03, 2020, 10:12:00 PM
National media are in disbelief that people think Marquette might not make the tournament. If you believe this, you are an idiot.

We aren't on the bubble. We aren't close to the bubble. We aren't one of the programs sweating if ETSU or San Diego State gets knocked out of their tournament.

Honestly, tonight is one of those nights where I take a big step closer to the "this might not be the guy" wagon, but that is wholly disconnected from whether we will be in the tournament. We will be in. There aren't enough bid thieves to keep us out.


Yep. We are in.

Totally different question than whether we will win, whether fans will care, or whether Wojo should go.
Title: Re: Poll: Will MU Make NCAA Tournament?
Post by: mileskishnish72 on March 03, 2020, 10:35:43 PM
Yes, but we are heading toward an 8-9 matchup, and of course the winner plays a  1 seed.
Not to worry - it's highly unlikely that this team could win an 8-9 game.
Title: Re: Poll: Will MU Make NCAA Tournament?
Post by: Johnny B on March 03, 2020, 10:36:14 PM
Lose out grab the 11 seed. Way better
Title: Re: Poll: Will MU Make NCAA Tournament?
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on March 03, 2020, 10:40:26 PM
Yes, but we are heading toward an 8-9 matchup, and of course the winner plays a  1 seed.
Not to worry - it's highly unlikely that this team could win an 8-9 game.
The question is - does a win in the 8/9 game against an equally mediocre program followed by a curb stomping at the hands of a Dayton bring back the Projos?

I think it does.  That's the sad part.
Title: Re: Poll: Will MU Make NCAA Tournament?
Post by: BM1090 on March 03, 2020, 10:43:20 PM
The question is - does a win in the 8/9 game against an equally mediocre program followed by a curb stomping at the hands of a Dayton bring back the Projos?

I think it does.  That's the sad part.

Win the BET or make a sweet 16 run and I'll stay on the wagon. Win against SJU, one game in the BET and an NCAA game and I could probably be talked into keeping him.

I was mostly fine with an NCAA bid if it came with a 20 win, 10-8 conference season, but tonight was inexcusable.
Title: Re: Poll: Will MU Make NCAA Tournament?
Post by: skianth16 on March 03, 2020, 10:54:57 PM
We aren't on the bubble. We aren't close to the bubble. We aren't one of the programs sweating if ETSU or San Diego State gets knocked out of their tournament.


Have you looked at any "worst case" type scenarios to see where we might fall to if we lose out? I assume our NET wouldn't slide much more than another 5 to 10 spots even in the worst scenario. And that would still keep up solidly in the field. Is that about right?
Title: Re: Poll: Will MU Make NCAA Tournament?
Post by: Mike Deane's Seat Belt on March 03, 2020, 10:58:09 PM
The question is - does a win in the 8/9 game against an equally mediocre program followed by a curb stomping at the hands of a Dayton bring back the Projos?

I think it does.  That's the sad part.

100% on point.   The projos will be back en force.   I would much rather just have wojo exit.  But i fear its gonna be like a b horror movie.  Just when you thought it was dead it just keeps on coming back!
Title: Re: Poll: Will MU Make NCAA Tournament?
Post by: curbina on March 03, 2020, 11:13:40 PM
Yes, MU is in and it will be a great experience the players.  I also think it is very clear that Wojo is done!



Title: Re: Poll: Will MU Make NCAA Tournament?
Post by: Silent Verbal on March 03, 2020, 11:32:07 PM
The question is - does a win in the 8/9 game against an equally mediocre program followed by a curb stomping at the hands of a Dayton bring back the Projos?

I think it does.  That's the sad part.

Please.  A win against a Paul Reed-less DePaul team would’ve brought back the Projos.  It doesn’t take much.
Title: Re: Poll: Will MU Make NCAA Tournament?
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 03, 2020, 11:33:59 PM
Please.  A win against a Paul Reed-less DePaul team would’ve brought back the Projos.  It doesn’t take much.

Any most of the folks posting tonight would have quietly sulked away.  Funny how that works, eh?
Title: Re: Poll: Will MU Make NCAA Tournament?
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on March 03, 2020, 11:39:31 PM
Any most of the folks posting tonight would have quietly sulked away.  Funny how that works, eh?
Because we are tired of having our noses rubbed in single digit victories over DePaul, home blow-outs of Georgetown, and NIT Elite Eight appearances.  Ridiculous post.
Title: Re: Poll: Will MU Make NCAA Tournament?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 03, 2020, 11:58:35 PM
MU locked up a bid awhile ago. NCAA tournament isn't about the 68 best teams at the end of the season. It's about the 68 teams that earned a bid. We earned ours early. Would rather we have earned it late.
Title: Re: Poll: Will MU Make NCAA Tournament?
Post by: willie warrior on March 04, 2020, 04:43:24 AM

Yep. We are in.

Totally different question than whether we will win, whether fans will care, or whether Wojo should go.
Yep we are in....a deep pile of doo doo.
Title: Re: Poll: Will MU Make NCAA Tournament?
Post by: brewcity77 on March 04, 2020, 05:38:31 AM
Have you looked at any "worst case" type scenarios to see where we might fall to if we lose out? I assume our NET wouldn't slide much more than another 5 to 10 spots even in the worst scenario. And that would still keep up solidly in the field. Is that about right?

There are a finite number of bids that can be stolen because they can only be stolen in leagues where champions will definitely make the field. So St John's winning the Big East would steal a bid, but Bowling Green winning the MAC wouldn't because Akron isn't getting an at-large.

Absolute worst case scenario would be 12 bids stolen: Big East, ACC, SEC, Big 10, Big 12, Pac-12, American, WCC, A-10, & Mountain West for sure. If you squint, maybe the SoCon & MVC.

That eats up the 6 bids on the 11-line, 4 bids on the 10, and 2 on the 9. We are still 7/8 if you look at bracketmatrix. And a true worst case scenario of every possible bid being stolen won't happen. If 4 are stolen, that would be high. 6-7 would be unprecedented mayhem territory. There's no plausible scenario where we get to 10+ bids stolen. And even if we do, we're still safe, even with another Q1 loss.
Title: Re: Poll: Will MU Make NCAA Tournament?
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 04, 2020, 11:31:07 AM
I posted this in another thread, but probably more relevant here. 

Its truly amazing having watched this collapse first hand, but purely resume-wise, MU is still likely a 7 seed even with 2 more losses in a row.  Now, maybe the committee would ding them a line or two in that scenario having lost 7 of 8 (cant blame them!), but purely from a resume standpoint, there is an ocean between MU and the last 4 in.

MU is 5-9 in Q1, 6-2 in Q2, Q3 2-0 and Q4 5-0, with a NET of 26.  That is 11 Q1 and Q2 wins, and zero losses outside of Q1 and Q2 with only 7 games in that category.

Also MU won't have the chance to pick up and Q3 or Q4 losses rest of way.  @SJU is Q1.  Worst case losing to Depaul in BET at MSG would be Q2.  So yeah...

Compare that to the last 4 at large teams in per bracket matrix:

Stanford Q1: 5-5; Q2: 2-3; Q3: 6-1; Q4: 7-0; NET 25
Cinci Q1: 2-6; Q2: 7-0; Q3: 7-4; Q4: 3-0; NET 51
UCLA Q1: 6-6, Q2: 3-3; Q3: 4-1; Q4: 5-1; NET 75
Utah State Q1: 2-4; Q2: 2-2: Q3: 7-2; Q4: 10-0; NET: 38

Its frankly not close.
Title: Re: Poll: Will MU Make NCAA Tournament?
Post by: Marqevans on March 04, 2020, 12:06:46 PM
Will be hard to do. The team is a one-trick pony.
Title: Re: Poll: Will MU Make NCAA Tournament?
Post by: BM1090 on March 04, 2020, 12:09:06 PM
I posted this in another thread, but probably more relevant here. 

Its truly amazing having watched this collapse first hand, but purely resume-wise, MU is still likely a 7 seed even with 2 more losses in a row.  Now, maybe the committee would ding them a line or two in that scenario having lost 7 of 8 (cant blame them!), but purely from a resume standpoint, there is an ocean between MU and the last 4 in.

MU is 5-9 in Q1, 6-2 in Q2, Q3 2-0 and Q4 5-0, with a NET of 26.  That is 11 Q1 and Q2 wins, and zero losses outside of Q1 and Q2 with only 7 games in that category.

Also MU won't have the chance to pick up and Q3 or Q4 losses rest of way.  @SJU is Q1.  Worst case losing to Depaul in BET at MSG would be Q2.  So yeah...

Compare that to the last 4 at large teams in per bracket matrix:

Stanford Q1: 5-5; Q2: 2-3; Q3: 6-1; Q4: 7-0; NET 25
Cinci Q1: 2-6; Q2: 7-0; Q3: 7-4; Q4: 3-0; NET 51
UCLA Q1: 6-6, Q2: 3-3; Q3: 4-1; Q4: 5-1; NET 75
Utah State Q1: 2-4; Q2: 2-2: Q3: 7-2; Q4: 10-0; NET: 38

Its frankly not close.

We're an 8 today on Bracketville. I think we could easily slide down to the 9 or 10 line if we keep losing. We won't miss the tournament but our seed could continue to slide.
Title: Re: Poll: Will MU Make NCAA Tournament?
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 04, 2020, 12:23:57 PM
We're an 8 today on Bracketville. I think we could easily slide down to the 9 or 10 line if we keep losing. We won't miss the tournament but our seed could continue to slide.

Yah, I mean - I think we deserve a 9/10 seed if we finish the season losing 7/8, even if the resume looks a little better. 
Title: Re: Poll: Will MU Make NCAA Tournament?
Post by: Herman Cain on March 09, 2020, 02:27:37 PM
Poll reset to zero. Facts have changed since first poll .

Final results of old poll 68.5 % yes 31.5% no

New poll adds option for winning Big East
Title: Re: Poll: Will MU Make NCAA Tournament?
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 09, 2020, 02:44:22 PM
Poetic justice for y'all Dayton haters if MU is one of the last 4 in and da Flyers are a 1 seed, aina?
Title: Re: Poll: Will MU Make NCAA Tournament?
Post by: brewcity77 on March 09, 2020, 03:17:34 PM
Yes, they are a lock, stop this stupidity.

This hasn't changed.
Title: Re: Poll: Will MU Make NCAA Tournament?
Post by: mu03eng on March 09, 2020, 03:23:38 PM
This hasn't changed.

Well things have certainly gotten stoopider since, so that changed :)