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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Elonsmusk on February 29, 2020, 03:34:50 PM
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How does Wojo brick that moment and not get him a standing O. Jesus.
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How does Wojo brick that moment and not get him a standing O. Jesus.
He's a clown
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Markus wanted to win to the end
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Umm, because the players decided to start playing with 2:00 left and there wasn’t a stoppage after it was out of reach
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You’re fuggin serious?
Sub out the best shooter to concede?
Imagine all you dumb arses who complain about how the NET works seeing Howard come off at the end.
NET points and victory merging ONLY matter when NERS decides.
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Yeah honestly that was pretty pathetic.. should have called for the foul with 6 secs left and subbed him out. If anyone deserves a senior day standing ovation over the last 15 years its markus Howard
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I should add a sub for Sacar too. This is almost a ritual at senior night - to sub out seniors for one last ovation.
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Bush league
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You’re fuggin serious?
Sub out the best shooter to concede?
Imagine all you dumb arses who complain about how the NET works seeing Howard come off at the end.
NET points and victory merging ONLY matter when NERS decides.
Yeah I’m serious. Clearly you are a dumb arse.
Easy AF to foul and sub out after we didn’t cut lead down from 5.
If ever a senior deserved that moment - it was Markus.
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Wojo has been very subdued the last couple of games, reminds me a bit of Buzz before he left...has Wojo checked out?
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Wojo has been very subdued the last couple of games, reminds me a bit of Buzz before he left...has Wojo checked out?
You maybe on to something..
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Yeah honestly that was pretty pathetic.. should have called for the foul with 6 secs left and subbed him out. If anyone deserves a senior day standing ovation over the last 15 years its markus Howard
That's what I was expecting. It's a shame Markus didn't get that moment.
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Some people will complain about anything.
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You maybe on to something..
Would you blame him? The team was ranked and comfortably in the tournament and a surprisingly large group of dipsh*t fans decide to start booing him. With highly ranked recruits in the house. I'd leave too if I were him.
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You maybe on to something..
Letting Stan take the huddles...
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Would you blame him? The team was ranked and comfortably in the tournament and a surprisingly large group of dipsh*t fans decide to start booing him. With highly ranked recruits in the house. I'd leave too if I were him.
I’m in Goose’s camp on what Wojo should do.
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Would you blame him? The team was ranked and comfortably in the tournament and a surprisingly large group of dipsh*t fans decide to start booing him. With highly ranked recruits in the house. I'd leave too if I were him.
A guy getting paid about 2 mil leaving a job because a couple dozen teenagers didn't adore him would be the most pathetic thing I've ever heard of in my life.
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Wojo has been very subdued the last couple of games, reminds me a bit of Buzz before he left...has Wojo checked out?
Weren't people attacking him for being human scum for being too active and fighting to the end even though we were going to lose, just 2 games ago?
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Would you blame him? The team was ranked and comfortably in the tournament and a surprisingly large group of dipsh*t fans decide to start booing him. With highly ranked recruits in the house. I'd leave too if I were him.
After the epic collapse last year, losing the Hausers (red flag), and getting drilled in 4 of our last 5 games, and no NCAA wins in previous 5 seasons - fans should be thrilled? All while having Markus here too?
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A guy getting paid about 2 mil leaving a job because a couple dozen teenagers didn't adore him would be the most pathetic thing I've ever heard of in my life.
He'll be offered that by some other school whose fans aren't as stupid as ours... And he'll happily take it. And we'll have two coaches in a row that left for a lesser job (assuming he goes somewhere like Wake). Good luck with that going forward trying to hire anyone decent. Or having any coach sign recruits once it gets around (and it will VERY quickly) that our dipsh*t fanbase booed Howard's parents.
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After the epic collapse last year, losing the Hausers (red flag), and getting drilled in 4 of our last 5 games, and no NCAA wins in previous 5 seasons - fans should be thrilled? All while having Markus here too?
Seriously. You’re the worst.
You see the TV show the Outsider?
You’re the demon in that show. You thrive off negativity. You’re weak.
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Isn’t the 10 point threshold huge for NET? A foul makes this a worse loss. Once the game was decided, the players probably wanted the buzzer. Anyone who was still there was sticking around for the standing o during the postgame ceremony. You guys are really reaching...
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Markus wanted to play till the buzzer sounded. I think thats why he stayed in. Loved watching him play, its a real shame the team couldnt hit open shots today. SHU was lights out, but it was tough to be at a game with a packed crowd and see so many bricked shots.
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Seriously. You’re the worst.
You see the TV show the Outsider?
You’re the demon in that show. You thrive off negativity. You’re weak.
You know what’s weak? Being so thin skinned you get tweaked by someone who has a different opinion than you.
And to then try to talk sh$t.
However, carry on and enjoy your delusional rainbows and unicorns universe. Here’s a participation ribbon for you.
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He'll be offered that by some other school whose fans aren't as stupid as ours... And he'll happily take it. And we'll have two coaches in a row that left for a lesser job (assuming he goes somewhere like Wake). Good luck with that going forward trying to hire anyone decent. Or having any coach sign recruits once it gets around (and it will VERY quickly) that our dipsh*t fanbase booed Howard's parents.
Buzz took a job in a more powerful conference because he didn't think the new Big East would pan out. And then he turned that "lesser" school into a team that was very competitive and was as good or better than is during his time there.
You also need to realize that a few fans booing or saying mean things on the internet don't matter in real decisions. The fans might hurt a few peoples feelings here and there, but they don't move the needle at all.
So again, if a handful of teenagers affect Wojos career decisions, that's a much bigger indictment of him than the fans.
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After the epic collapse last year, losing the Hausers (red flag), and getting drilled in 4 of our last 5 games, and no NCAA wins in previous 5 seasons - fans should be thrilled? All while having Markus here too?
Seems the fans also don't like Markus.
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Markus did not sound pissed at Wojo during his speech
https://youtu.be/Mjlo4Xiq3qo
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Buzz took a job in a more powerful conference because he didn't think the new Big East would pan out. And then he turned that "lesser" school into a team that was very competitive and was as good or better than is during his time there.
You also need to realize that a few fans booing or saying mean things on the internet don't matter in real decisions. The fans might hurt a few peoples feelings here and there, but they don't move the needle at all.
So again, if a handful of teenagers affect Wojos career decisions, that's a much bigger indictment of him than the fans.
You might be right, but maybe not.
But regardless he knows about it, and it has to wear on him, how would it not?
A "handful of teenagers"? It's not. It's more than that. Is this your first time on Scoop? You don't think they have people reading these boards? (every MU coach has, btw). And if you had the option of going somewhere else for the same money where you'd be appreciated more, you'd do it. And he will have those options.
Buzz left in part for the reasons you stated, but he also left because he felt unappreciated here. Because he kinda was. Some of his own doing, but still.
But the point is that the narrative about MU is forming, and it's not wrong. Our fanbase is stupid and entitled. Coaches and recruits all have choices, and it doesn't take much to sway a decision one way or another.
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Markus did not sound pissed at Wojo during his speech
https://youtu.be/Mjlo4Xiq3qo
Good for those 3. Class acts who deserve all the success they have coming their way. Hopefully they can finish out their senior season strong. They have a fan in me no matter what happens over the next 4-11 games.
Go MU.
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They had speeches coming up. Didn't really need to sub for applause.
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After the epic collapse last year, losing the Hausers (red flag), and getting drilled in 4 of our last 5 games, and no NCAA wins in previous 5 seasons - fans should be thrilled? All while having Markus here too?
What's the red flag? No one else left. Symir reclassified. Dexter still came to red shirt. Jayce came in as a grad transfer. Wojo got an extension Got a pretty dam good class that is far from being over. The only red flag I see is the saintly Houser brother had a problem with the program and they left
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On the list of legit complaints, this is about number 1,755,476th.
Some of you guys will complain about anything.
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Buzz took a job in a more powerful conference because he didn't think the new Big East would pan out. And then he turned that "lesser" school into a team that was very competitive and was as good or better than is during his time there.
You also need to realize that a few fans booing or saying mean things on the internet don't matter in real decisions. The fans might hurt a few peoples feelings here and there, but they don't move the needle at all.
So again, if a handful of teenagers affect Wojos career decisions, that's a much bigger indictment of him than the fans.
So you are saying Buzz was impacted by the fear of a handful of teenagers so he left. He was literally quoted as saying he was leaving the big East because he didn’t think he would be as good and didn’t want the fans turning on him and getting fired.
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So you are saying Buzz was impacted by the fear of a handful of teenagers so he left. He was literally quoted as saying he was leaving the big East because he didn’t think he would be as good and didn’t want the fans turning on him and getting fired.
He left because he was no longer allowed to overlook certain issues his players and recruits were running into. The administration was no longer bending over backwards to turn a blind eye to things.
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He left because he was no longer allowed to overlook certain issues his players and recruits were running into. The administration was no longer bending over backwards to turn a blind eye to things.
May have been a part of it but he was quoted as saying he ran the numbers in his head and he didn’t think the next six years were going to be as good as the previous so he didn’t want to get fired. If you recall McKay was part of his second last recruiting class as a juco.
He also had a series of guys coming in that were good so it wasn’t like it was impacting his recruiting.
What does it say if the off the court things were the reason he left.
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1. Buzz left because he had pissed off damn near everyone at the Al and almost no one would talk to him. That is the entire story. When he started using university resources to obtain other coaches’ contracts using FOIA requests, thinks broke bad—real bad.
2. Elonmusk is proof that our fans can be some complete jerks. We have seen that with Wojo booing and, apparently, the jerks who had to be escorted out of Section 118. Not a great day for our university.
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Markus wanted to play till the buzzer sounded. I think thats why he stayed in. Loved watching him play, its a real shame the team couldnt hit open shots today. SHU was lights out, but it was tough to be at a game with a packed crowd and see so many bricked shots.
Agreed, was at the game and I’m sure he wanted to fight til the end. I usually try to be level headed when I post but this is one of the more moronic threads to date this year. People literally will find anything to bitch about.
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I should add a sub for Sacar too. This is almost a ritual at senior night - to sub out seniors for one last ovation.
They’ll get their ovations when we host an NIT game.
(PS. Not sure how to access the teal feature).
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1. Buzz left because he had pissed off damn near everyone at the Al and almost no one would talk to him. That is the entire story. When he started using university resources to obtain other coaches’ contracts using FOIA requests, thinks broke bad—real bad.
2. Elonmusk is proof that our fans can be some complete jerks. We have seen that with Wojo booing and, apparently, the jerks who had to be escorted out of Section 118. Not a great day for our university.
Great post. What happened in 118?
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Great post. What happened in 118?
Some pretty boys like many here were berating Howard's parents, shouting crap at them. When TV did a closeup of them Howard's mother looked really uncomfortable. Must have been great for the recruits and families all sitting by them. Yes this fan base is $hit.
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Some pretty boys like many here were berating Howard's parents, shouting crap at them. When TV did a closeup of them Howard's mother looked really uncomfortable. Must have been great for the recruits and families all sitting by them. Yes this fan base is $hit.
Get a grip. Those could have been anyone. Badger fans, casual fans who bandwagon when they win but don’t actually follow MU basketball, unaffiliated douchebags.... this fan base has great fans and bad apples...like any major program.
Expectations are strained cause the previous coach took the program to 3 straight S16s and that is still fresh in the mind as attainable, especially when you have a far more accomplished player in Markus than literally anyone Buzz coached, except for maybe Crowder.
Nobody is excusing what those POS’ yelled, but don’t link them and the natives getting restless. Expecting more from a coach who let us again get embarrassed on national TV is not the same as being a scumbag
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Get a grip. Those could have been anyone. Badger fans, casual fans who bandwagon when they win but don’t actually follow MU basketball, unaffiliated douchebags.... this fan base has great fans and bad apples...like any major program.
Expectations are strained cause the previous coach took the program to 3 straight S16s and that is still fresh in the mind as attainable, especially when you have a far more accomplished player in Markus than literally anyone Buzz coached, except for maybe Crowder.
Nobody is excusing what those POS’ yelled, but don’t link them and the natives getting restless. Expecting more from a coach who let us again get embarrassed on national TV is not the same as being a scumbag
There have been multiple posters trying to excuse what those POS’ yelled.
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Get a grip. Those could have been anyone. Badger fans, casual fans who bandwagon when they win but don’t actually follow MU basketball, unaffiliated douchebags.... this fan base has great fans and bad apples...like any major program.
Expectations are strained cause the previous coach took the program to 3 straight S16s and that is still fresh in the mind as attainable, especially when you have a far more accomplished player in Markus than literally anyone Buzz coached, except for maybe Crowder.
Nobody is excusing what those POS’ yelled, but don’t link them and the natives getting restless. Expecting more from a coach who let us again get embarrassed on national TV is not the same as being a scumbag
Would doubt they're not our fans in those seats. No I won't get a grip about all the insults to Markus and now to his parents in a game. What is happening here and at the game with Markus is obvious to me. It is a reflection of something bigger, but keep the silly excuses....
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Some pretty boys like many here were berating Howard's parents, shouting crap at them. When TV did a closeup of them Howard's mother looked really uncomfortable. Must have been great for the recruits and families all sitting by them. Yes this fan base is $hit.
How any LEGITIMATE MU fan would take issue with the Howard family is beyond belief. I cannot wrap my head around an MU fan "berating" Howard's parents? Were you in the section and able to hear what was said?
Would seem more plausible that it was some closet UW fans.
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Would doubt they're not our fans in those seats. No I won't get a grip about all the insults to Markus and now to his parents in a game. What is happening here and at the game with Markus is obvious to me. It is a reflection of something bigger, but keep the silly excuses....
“Happening here”. So everything should be hunky dory cause we’re gonna make the tourney? Cause it feels a lot like you’re with us (fully in on Wojo and the team) or you’re against us (everyone else, including these heckling morons)
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Whether you like Markus or not, there will never be another scorer like him at Marquette. He won many a game for us. To bad the cast around him didn't give him consistent help. Especially on his off nights. To many "one 'n dones" in college BB.
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How any LEGITIMATE MU fan would take issue with the Howard family is beyond belief. I cannot wrap my head around an MU fan "berating" Howard's parents? Were you in the section and able to hear what was said?
Would seem more plausible that it was some closet UW fans.
Plenty of Underboard at game and police removed them. Plus recruits and families sitting by Markus parents does not help. In a game like this I doubt there would be UW fans in those seats.
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Plenty of Underboard at game and police removed them. Plus recruits and families sitting by Markus parents does not help. In a game like this I doubt there would be UW fans in those seats.
These people are pathetic. Must be all the meat.
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Plenty of Underboard at game and police removed them. Plus recruits and families sitting by Markus parents does not help. In a game like this I doubt there would be UW fans in those seats.
That is awful. Seems incomprehensible to me how any true MU fans could do that. It certainly wouldn't seem UW fans would be sitting in good seats, but I'd put nothing past their sleazy fan base/program to plant a few trolls on a day we have 5-star recruits on hand.
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Weren't people attacking him for being human scum for being too active and fighting to the end even though we were going to lose, just 2 games ago?
Welcome to scoop
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A "handful of teenagers"? It's not. It's more than that. Is this your first time on Scoop? You don't think they have people reading these boards? (every MU coach has, btw).
Rofl. You have way to high of an opinion on Scoop to think the coaches are checking it/care
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What's the red flag? No one else left. Symir reclassified. Dexter still came to red shirt. Jayce came in as a grad transfer. Wojo got an extension Got a pretty dam good class that is far from being over. The only red flag I see is the saintly Houser brother had a problem with the program and they left
The red flag was that Wojo mismanaged the locker room last year. What should have been handled and blown over, instead snow-balled and led to the Hauser's transferring out...and along with it our projected Top 10 ranking.
It was nice mental masturbation for some to hypothesize that we'd be better without them, but that was non-sense. We have no reliable second or even third scorer - Sam and Joey would have given us that.
As a result, we are probably headed for another first round loss in the NCAA this year, we graduate arguably three of our best players (Markus, Sacar, Jayce), and Year 7 of the Wojo regime probably ends up as an NIT team.
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I am far from the Markus Howard fanclub President, but he earned a long standing ovation from the faithful. He was/is a very good player in our history and represented himself and MU with class. Wojo was a dick for not giving him his moment. Again, I am far from being a Howard groupie, but I gave him a hand at the bar where I was watching.
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Wojo has been very subdued the last couple of games, reminds me a bit of Buzz before he left...has Wojo checked out?
I do wonder if you are on to something. IIRC, neither Jayce nor Sacar thanked any coach. Markus did call out Wojo and the video cut to him. He seemed .. stoic, zero reaction.
I suppose that could be due to losing 4 of 5 games, plus laying a sizable egg in front of a packed crowd celebrating MU's top scorer in history.
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I am far from the Markus Howard fanclub President, but he earned a long standing ovation from the faithful. He was/is a very good player in our history and represented himself and MU with class. Wojo was a dick for not giving him his moment.
Gotta be honest .. I don't see this line of thinking at all.
25 seconds earlier, MU had a chance. I don't blame Wojo for not calling a foul at the end. Hell, despite his 37 points, I bet Markus was pretty sad anyhow. Just get the game over.
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Never mind I see you were referring to Wojo. Sorry.
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I do wonder if you are on to something. IIRC, neither Jayce nor Sacar thanked any coach. Markus did call out Wojo and the video cut to him. He seemed .. stoic, zero reaction.
I suppose that could be due to losing 4 of 5 games, plus laying a sizable egg in front of a packed crowd celebrating MU's top scorer in history.
I took it as him trying to keep his emotions together. He did walk off the court quickly. I’m sure he didn’t speak due to getting booed and taking away from the players.
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The red flag was that Wojo mismanaged the locker room last year. What should have been handled and blown over, instead snow-balled and led to the Hauser's transferring out...and along with it our projected Top 10 ranking.
It was nice mental masturbation for some to hypothesize that we'd be better without them, but that was non-sense. We have no reliable second or even third scorer - Sam and Joey would have given us that.
As a result, we are probably headed for another first round loss in the NCAA this year, we graduate arguably three of our best players (Markus, Sacar, Jayce), and Year 7 of the Wojo regime probably ends up as an NIT team.
How do you know it was mismanaged? Maybe if Wojo placated the Hausers a bunch of people would have left and then Sam and Joey could have been surrounded by grad transfers from the American East and we can be talking about CBI.
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How do you know it was mismanaged? Maybe if Wojo placated the Hausers a bunch of people would have left and then Sam and Joey could have been surrounded by grad transfers from the American East and we can be talking about CBI.
Because the Hausers left. That’s how I know it was mismanaged. And with their departure any real chance of us making a run.
PS - The coaching staff had to go into full on scramble mode to limit the transfers to just the Hausers. After they announced their departure, it was widely known other players needed to be re-recruited to the program.
PSS - I suspect a team led by Sam Hauser would have done equally as well as this year’s squad. What’s sad AF is that Wojo couldn’t keep Markus + Hauser brothers in good harmony.
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Because the Hausers left. That’s how I know it was mismanaged. And with their departure any real chance of us making a run.
PS - The coaching staff had to go into full on scramble mode to limit the transfers to just the Hausers. After they announced their departure, it was widely known other players needed to be re-recruited to the program.
PSS - I suspect a team led by Sam Hauser would have done equally as well as this year’s squad. What’s sad AF is that Wojo couldn’t keep Markus + Hauser brothers in good harmony.
Couldn’t agree more! Also remember Sam and Markus were great friends at one point. The hauser’s has Markus to their place for a holiday or 2 if I recall. It wasn’t like wojo had to mange 2/3 people who hated each other from day one.
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PS - The coaching staff had to go into full on scramble mode to limit the transfers to just the Hausers. After they announced their departure, it was widely known other players needed to be re-recruited to the program.
Actually this is not widely known. In fact the it may not be accurate at all. Many versions I have heard have the opposite taking place. That the Hausers’ transfer prevented other players from leaving.
And it’s “PPS” by the way.
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Because the Hausers left. That’s how I know it was mismanaged. And with their departure any real chance of us making a run.
PS - The coaching staff had to go into full on scramble mode to limit the transfers to just the Hausers. After they announced their departure, it was widely known other players needed to be re-recruited to the program.
PSS - I suspect a team led by Sam Hauser would have done equally as well as this year’s squad. What’s sad AF is that Wojo couldn’t keep Markus + Hauser brothers in good harmony.
Wrong on so many levels. Just because someone transfers does not mean the scenario was mismanaged. Some things are inevitable.
Story I heard from a players family was that players were going to transfer if both Hausers started, as it would not leave room for them to get any meaningful minutes.
I liked Sam as a player, but he, in my opinion, was not an alpha male. He could not create his own shot. I belive this team would be fighting with St Johns and Georgetown for 9th place if we switched Markus and Sam.
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Wrong on so many levels. Just because someone transfers does not mean the scenario was mismanaged. Some things are inevitable.
Story I heard from a players family was that players were going to transfer if both Hausers started, as it would not leave room for them to get any meaningful minutes.
I liked Sam as a player, but he, in my opinion, was not an alpha male. He could not create his own shot. I belive this team would be fighting with St Johns and Georgetown for 9th place if we switched Markus and Sam.
If the hauser’s stayed Cain was leaving, that it.
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How do you know it was mismanaged? Maybe if Wojo placated the Hausers a bunch of people would have left and then Sam and Joey could have been surrounded by grad transfers from the American East and we can be talking about CBI.
Who was going to go? Not Markus, not Jayce, not Koby. Sacar? To a mid major instead of a top 10 team? Unlikely. I guess maybe Cain, maybe Ed quits.
Bottom line, Sam and Joey would have been surrounded by at least Markus, Koby and Jayce. So already a much better team. Add the likely return of Sacar and Theo and it’s top 10. If Cain and Elliot come back, even better due to depth.
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Who was going to go? Not Markus, not Jayce, not Koby. Sacar? To a mid major instead of a top 10 team? Unlikely. I guess maybe Cain, maybe Ed quits.
Bottom line, Sam and Joey would have been surrounded by at least Markus, Koby and Jayce. So already a much better getter team. Add the likely return of Sacar and Theo and it’s top 10. If Cain and Elliot come back, even better due to depth.
Cain, that’s it.
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Who was going to go? Not Markus, not Jayce, not Koby. Sacar? To a mid major instead of a top 10 team? Unlikely. I guess maybe Cain, maybe Ed quits.
Bottom line, Sam and Joey would have been surrounded by at least Markus, Koby and Jayce. So already a much better getter team. Add the likely return of Sacar and Theo and it’s top 10. If Cain and Elliot come back, even better due to depth.
But that wasn’t an option.
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But that wasn’t an option.
Sad but true
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Wrong on so many levels. Just because someone transfers does not mean the scenario was mismanaged. Some things are inevitable.
Story I heard from a players family was that players were going to transfer if both Hausers started, as it would not leave room for them to get any meaningful minutes.
I liked Sam as a player, but he, in my opinion, was not an alpha male. He could not create his own shot. I belive this team would be fighting with St Johns and Georgetown for 9th place if we switched Markus and Sam.
Marquette would be going into the tourney in a stronger position with the Hausers on the team and Marcus going pro after last year. All the coaches in the Big E know how to defend Marcus. He may get a lot of points but our offense stinks. I hear this from guys who know basketball. Cannot figure out why Wojo can’t coach a team offense. We are what we are with Marcus scoring the high % of our points.
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These people are pathetic. Must be all the meat.
The students sounded like UW football fans early in the game. Next it’ll be Eat sh*t F*ck You
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I think we should all argue about the Hausers leaving one more time, because that's every bit as useful here as it was in the first 2,553 threads in which it was mentioned, and also because it's very relevant to the OP of this fine thread.
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Marquette would be going into the tourney in a stronger position with the Hausers on the team and Marcus going pro after last year. All the coaches in the Big E know how to defend Marcus. He may get a lot of points but our offense stinks. I hear this from guys who know basketball. Cannot figure out why Wojo can’t coach a team offense. We are what we are with Marcus scoring the high % of our points.
Four years of Howard and some still do not know his name.
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Didn’t you know arguing about the same past incident repeatedly will obviously make a difference to the present time?
I think we should all argue about the Hausers leaving one more time, because that's every bit as useful here as it was in the first 2,553 threads in which it was mentioned, and also because it's very relevant to the OP of this fine thread.
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Marquette would be going into the tourney in a stronger position with the Hausers on the team and Marcus going pro after last year. All the coaches in the Big E know how to defend Marcus. He may get a lot of points but our offense stinks. I hear this from guys who know basketball. Cannot figure out why Wojo can’t coach a team offense. We are what we are with Marcus scoring the high % of our points.
All the coaches have a game plan to beat Marquette. It works if players not named Markus are missing their shots. Having Joey and Sam instead of Markus would make our offense worse
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nope, that's more of a symptom of carbohydrate overload.
"These people are pathetic. Must be all the meat"
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All the coaches have a game plan to beat Marquette. It works if players not named Markus are missing their shots. Having Joey and Sam instead of Markus would make our offense worse
Correct, every player not named Markus was off their game yesterday. Unfortunately that is going to happen most games when we play elite teams because better talent makes lesser talent look really bad at all levels of basketball. Markus is the only player Seton Hall would take on their team without blinking. The rest of their players are simply better than ours and if our players not named Markus shoot 20% from the field we will lose every time. It’s not that good teams scheme us better. They are simply better.
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Shooter
Great post and I agree.
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People actually think are our offense has been the problem the last 5 games?
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People actually think are our offense has been the problem the last 5 games?
Definitely offense and defense. Better players make both look bad.
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Definitely offense and defense. Better players make both look bad.
Scored 1.18 PPP against the #17 defense in the country. Our offense looks bad only in context cause they have to score every other possession to keep us in games.
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Not saying we would not have beaten a lesser team with Markus Howards offensive output yesterday. Just not a first, second, or third place team. Our other players did not support defensively or offensively him no matter how good our ppp looked.
Play like we did yesterday against St. John’s and DePaul we should win with that ppp.
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I do wonder if you are on to something. IIRC, neither Jayce nor Sacar thanked any coach. Markus did call out Wojo and the video cut to him. He seemed .. stoic, zero reaction.
I suppose that could be due to losing 4 of 5 games, plus laying a sizable egg in front of a packed crowd celebrating MU's top scorer in history.
Neither Jayce or Sacar thanked his parents either. What does that mean?
Seton Hall was very good yesterday, the egg our team laid was because of how well Seton Hall shot yesterday.
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How do you know it was mismanaged? Maybe if Wojo placated the Hausers a bunch of people would have left and then Sam and Joey could have been surrounded by grad transfers from the American East and we can be talking about CBI.
If we had Markus and Sam and Joey we would be in the NCAAs even if we had an exodus of other players. It was mismanaged to get to the point that it as an issue at all.
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Not saying we would not have beaten a lesser team with Markus Howards offensive output yesterday. Just not a first, second, or third place team. Our other players did not support defensively or offensively him no matter how good our ppp looked.
Play like we did yesterday against St. John’s and DePaul we should win with that ppp.
The offense yesterday, over the course of the season, would be the best in the BE, by far. Defense is awful.
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Fair enough. Markus was outstanding. Defense was bad.
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How does Wojo brick that moment and not get him a standing O. Jesus.
Markus got his big ovation in the ceremony after the game. I sure that since you are such a good fan that you did not stay for this.
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Markus got his big ovation in the ceremony after the game. I sure that since you are such a good fan that you did not stay for this.
If I were at the game I absolutely would have stayed. I would nit pass judgment on those who left, however. Personal choice.
It is virtually automatic on Senior Day for seniors to get subbed out one last time - at programs across the country. Hell coaches do it many times during regular season games to get acknowledgement for players who have had great games.
In the scheme of things was it a big deal? No. However, in my opinion it shows someone being asleep at the wheel. Kind of like calling for a foul down the stretch in a tie game.
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Coach Wojo brought Markus out of games for applause in other major performances. Buffalo and other games, but Saturday he forgot or fell aslee at the wheel in his last game?
This is a poor take.
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Coach Wojo brought Markus out of games for applause in other major performances. Buffalo and other games, but Saturday he forgot or fell aslee at the wheel in his last game?
This is a poor take.
It was a two possession game almost till the end.
Poor take on your poor take.
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It was a two possession game almost till the end.
Poor take on your poor take.
Didn't we still have a timeout left? I checked the ESPN game log and we only called 3 timeouts, one of which was in the first half, so unless that is wrong we could have used it to get the seniors their in game ovation. I was surprised when we didn't call timeout when we had the ball under 10 seconds. That is the only time it would have made sense. I would have rather we had done it, but not worth getting worked up over, especially if you have a post game ceremony planned.
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What if Markus wanted to finish the game...his home career...ON the court not the bench?
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It was a 5 point game with about 30 seconds to go, Marquette was suddenly hot, and Seton Hall had missed the last three front ends of the 1-and-1. Markus had been lights out all day and Sacar, I think, was the one who hit the three to make it a 5 point game. At that point, I had completely forgotten about ovations or anything but MU getting back in the game. The last few possessions for both teams were a jumbled mess, and then time ran out.
I criticize Wojo a lot, but I’m okay with not getting Markus or the other seniors a standing ovation with six seconds left or whatever it was. Most of the crowd was leaving at that point anyway, and the ones still there were probably too deflated to manage a standing O, mostly due to the little run Marquette made that ultimately failed. I have no problem with the way the game ended as far as Senior Day stuff is concerned.
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Markus came out at about the 1:29 mark. I stood and applauded because I figured that was it. No one else was standing and applauding. Markus was only out for a foul/defensive situation and he came right back in. I think fans were not even worried about the last time on the floor since no one really applauded when he came out that late in the game.
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What if Markus wanted to finish the game...his home career...ON the court not the bench?
His last home game is tomorrow night...oh wait.
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His last home game is tomorrow night...oh wait.
Brilliant
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Some pretty boys like many here were berating Howard's parents, shouting crap at them. When TV did a closeup of them Howard's mother looked really uncomfortable. Must have been great for the recruits and families all sitting by them. Yes this fan base is $hit.
Nobody was berating Howard's parents... there was one guy yelling things at Wojo for a long period of time (asking for Stan to take over for Wojo and basically calling Wojo a bad coach) and eventually Howard's parents had enough and his dad calmly went to talk to the guy. I overheard Howard's dad saying something to the effect that he was trying to enjoy his son's last home game and he was making it very hard for him to do that. Then Howard's mom walked up and basically said if you're that unhappy why don't you just leave the game and that we don't need fans like you. A few minutes later an usher walked up to the fan and told him she needed to talk to him in the hallway so the fan got up and walked out and never came back. This was in section 117 FWIW.
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Nobody was berating Howard's parents... there was one guy yelling things at Wojo for a long period of time (asking for Stan to take over for Wojo and basically calling Wojo a bad coach) and eventually Howard's parents had enough and his dad calmly went to talk to the guy. I overheard Howard's dad saying something to the effect that he was trying to enjoy his son's last home game and he was making it very hard for him to do that. Then Howard's mom walked up and basically said if you're that unhappy why don't you just leave the game and that we don't need fans like you. A few minutes later an usher walked up to the fan and told him she needed to talk to him in the hallway so the fan got up and walked out and never came back. This was in section 117 FWIW.
This is what my GF told me happened and she was right over there.
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Nobody was berating Howard's parents... there was one guy yelling things at Wojo for a long period of time (asking for Stan to take over for Wojo and basically calling Wojo a bad coach) and eventually Howard's parents had enough and his dad calmly went to talk to the guy. I overheard Howard's dad saying something to the effect that he was trying to enjoy his son's last home game and he was making it very hard for him to do that. Then Howard's mom walked up and basically said if you're that unhappy why don't you just leave the game and that we don't need fans like you. A few minutes later an usher walked up to the fan and told him she needed to talk to him in the hallway so the fan got up and walked out and never came back. This was in section 117 FWIW.
For a transcript of what was said, please just review Elonsmusk’s posts.
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Correct, every player not named Markus was off their game yesterday. Unfortunately that is going to happen most games when we play elite teams because better talent makes lesser talent look really bad at all levels of basketball. Markus is the only player Seton Hall would take on their team without blinking. The rest of their players are simply better than ours and if our players not named Markus shoot 20% from the field we will lose every time. It’s not that good teams scheme us better. They are simply better.
+1
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Nobody was berating Howard's parents... there was one guy yelling things at Wojo for a long period of time (asking for Stan to take over for Wojo and basically calling Wojo a bad coach) and eventually Howard's parents had enough and his dad calmly went to talk to the guy. I overheard Howard's dad saying something to the effect that he was trying to enjoy his son's last home game and he was making it very hard for him to do that. Then Howard's mom walked up and basically said if you're that unhappy why don't you just leave the game and that we don't need fans like you. A few minutes later an usher walked up to the fan and told him she needed to talk to him in the hallway so the fan got up and walked out and never came back. This was in section 117 FWIW.
WTF is wrong with people
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WTF is wrong with people
Especially cringe worthy knowing that all of the recruits were right in front of Howard's parents so they obviously heard this dude as well. I never understood being so discontent that you still want to go to the game and just shout the entire time to ruin everyone else's game experience. Once this dude started he legit would not shut up. And this was not some immature young kid, the dude looked to be in his 50's.
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Especially cringe worthy knowing that all of the recruits were right in front of Howard's parents so they obviously heard this dude as well. I never understood being so discontent that you still want to go to the game and just shout the entire time to ruin everyone else's game experience. Once this dude started he legit would not shut up. And this was not some immature young kid, the dude looked to be in his 50's.
Those are expensive seats to. Not exactly drunken idiot in the upper deck who goes to one game a year.
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Nobody was berating Howard's parents... there was one guy yelling things at Wojo for a long period of time (asking for Stan to take over for Wojo and basically calling Wojo a bad coach) and eventually Howard's parents had enough and his dad calmly went to talk to the guy. I overheard Howard's dad saying something to the effect that he was trying to enjoy his son's last home game and he was making it very hard for him to do that. Then Howard's mom walked up and basically said if you're that unhappy why don't you just leave the game and that we don't need fans like you. A few minutes later an usher walked up to the fan and told him she needed to talk to him in the hallway so the fan got up and walked out and never came back. This was in section 117 FWIW.
Small correction: Section 118.
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Small correction: Section 118.
Howard's parents sit in section 118. The fan in question was sitting in 117 unless there were multiple instances of this happening. Hence why Howard's dad walked up the stairs and crossed the aisle to talk to the fan.
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Nobody was berating Howard's parents... there was one guy yelling things at Wojo for a long period of time (asking for Stan to take over for Wojo and basically calling Wojo a bad coach) and eventually Howard's parents had enough and his dad calmly went to talk to the guy. I overheard Howard's dad saying something to the effect that he was trying to enjoy his son's last home game and he was making it very hard for him to do that. Then Howard's mom walked up and basically said if you're that unhappy why don't you just leave the game and that we don't need fans like you. A few minutes later an usher walked up to the fan and told him she needed to talk to him in the hallway so the fan got up and walked out and never came back. This was in section 117 FWIW.
So there weren’t “pretty boys like on here berating Markus’ parents” and this isolated incident doesn’t mean “our fanbase is shiit”??
News’s post was so close to being accurate but unfortunately he just missed the mark. Tough break.