New national poll conducted by The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Reporting shows that two-thirds of Americans surveyed believe college athletes should be allowed to cash in on their names, images and likenesses.
http://apnorc.org/projects/Pages/Compensation-for-Collegiate-Athletes.aspx
Obviously, it's going to happen. Will be interesting to see what form it ends up taking.
Also in poll: Only 14% hold a favorable view of the NCAA.
Regardless of the results, i dislike when headlines state x% of Americans like/dislike etc. It should read x% of Ameeicans polled...
Quote from: lawdog77 on January 07, 2020, 01:13:14 PM
Regardless of the results, i dislike when headlines state x% of Americans like/dislike etc. It should read x% of Ameeicans polled...
You are absolutely correct. I fixed it.
California passed a state law saying students could receive payment from endorsements. Last I heard, about 14 other states had a bill in congress. 2023 is the year it takes effect. What it really does is finally allow boosters to legally fund athletes. What's to stop some booster who owns a local business from hiring the baskteball team do a commercial? Or Nike, Addidas can funnel funds from other sources into a shoe contract of sorts. There are a lot of creative ways to get athletes money now. I'm curious as to how high the price will go, now that it's public. I'm sure some smaller schools will surprise as well. We did hear Creighton mentioned in the federal investigation.
Quote from: MU82 on January 07, 2020, 01:14:51 PM
You are absolutely correct. I fixed it.
Thanks. I agree too, just not sure about the logistics.
Sorry, Mike.
This poll is just begging for a chico carpet bomb of posts.
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on January 07, 2020, 01:19:50 PM
California passed a state law saying students could receive payment from endorsements. Last I heard, about 14 other states had a bill in congress. 2023 is the year it takes effect. What it really does is finally allow boosters to legally fund athletes. What's to stop some booster who owns a local business from hiring the baskteball team do a commercial? Or Nike, Addidas can funnel funds from other sources into a shoe contract of sorts. There are a lot of creative ways to get athletes money now. I'm curious as to how high the price will go, now that it's public. I'm sure some smaller schools will surprise as well. We did hear Creighton mentioned in the federal investigation.
Sounds exactly like what's happening right now....
Quote from: Jockey on January 07, 2020, 01:25:34 PM
Sorry, Mike.
This poll is just begging for a chico carpet bomb of posts.
I don't think we should avoid posts about interesting, relevant topics just because one or two Scoopers -- and I'm not even calling out the guy you mentioned -- might or might not attempt to ruin the thread.
I won't respond to "carpet-bombers," and I suggest others do the same. It's obviously a legit topic for this forum and will directly affect MU hoops.
We Are Marquette!
Quote from: panda on January 07, 2020, 01:30:50 PM
Sounds exactly like what's happening right now....
Yes, the athletes will just have to pay taxes on it, and it's legal. #MoreTransparency
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on January 07, 2020, 01:54:22 PM
Yes, the athletes will just have to pay taxes on it, and it's legal. #MoreTransparency
That's totally reasonable. Transparency is a good thing.
In before the lock
Reading the internals is great. Less educated support this, almost 50% don't know much or anything about the NCAA or what they do. So let's ask a question with limited information, not balanced, not presenting all sides...awesome.
Reminds me of polls where people are asked if college should be free or health care...and how support falls dramatically when all facets are posed....like who pays for it. Of course here the negative aspects were not shared to the poll takers.
Brand X. You been on a bunch the last few days.....but but you only come here at most once a day now. LOL.
Lol
Only 17% hold an unfavorable view...classic example of cherry picking deleting by the journalist here....no surprise.
Lol
Kids are about to get paid. About time
Quote from: Cheeks on January 07, 2020, 03:10:50 PM
Only 17% hold an unfavorable view...classic example of cherry picking deleting by the journalist here....no surprise.
People who cherry-pick polls and ignore the internals are the worst.
Quote from: Cheeks on January 07, 2020, 02:58:01 PM
Reading the internals is great. Less educated support this, almost 50% don't know much or anything about the NCAA or what they do.
"People who don't support my position are too stupid to know what's good for them."
Quote from: Cheeks on January 07, 2020, 02:58:01 PM
Reading the internals is great. Less educated support this, almost 50% don't know much or anything about the NCAA or what they do. So let's ask a question with limited information, not balanced, not presenting all sides...awesome.
Reminds me of pills where people are asked if college should be free or health care...and how support falls dramatically when all facets are posed.
Brand X. You been on a bunch the last few days.....but but you only come here at most once a day now. LOL.
did jockstrap increase your rent again?
paying the players will be the demise of college athletics
S U P E R B A R
Quote from: MU82 on January 07, 2020, 01:08:57 PM
New national poll conducted by The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Reporting shows that two-thirds of Americans surveyed believe college athletes should be allowed to cash in on their names, images and likenesses.
http://apnorc.org/projects/Pages/Compensation-for-Collegiate-Athletes.aspx
Obviously, it's going to happen. Will be interesting to see what form it ends up taking.
Also in poll: Only 14% hold a favorable view of the NCAA.
My only questions are, will the student athletes be off doing commercials or photo shoots during the season and how will it affect play in relation to kids trying to promote themselves on the court on the field on the track or in the pool. Team sports are obviously where this becomes tricky. If people think egos are a problem now, imagine when kids are competing for big money.
Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on January 07, 2020, 04:20:15 PM
My only questions are, will the student athletes be off doing commercials or photo shoots during the season and how will it affect play in relation to kids trying to promote themselves on the court on the field on the track or in the pool. Team sports are obviously where this becomes tricky. If people think egos are a problem now, imagine when kids are competing for big money.
Time to open a jewelry/tattoo shop near campus.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on January 07, 2020, 04:12:48 PM
paying the players will be the demise of college athletics
"Allowing professionals to compete will be the demise of the Olympics."
Quote from: MU82 on January 07, 2020, 01:39:49 PM
I don't think we should avoid posts about interesting, relevant topics just because one or two Scoopers -- and I'm not even calling out the guy you mentioned -- might or might not attempt to ruin the thread.
I won't respond to "carpet-bombers," and I suggest others do the same. It's obviously a legit topic for this forum and will directly affect MU hoops.
We Are Marquette!
This IS a very interesting and relevant topic to which most here provide excellent viewpoints. Hopefully, it will continue as such.
Quote from: Pakuni on January 07, 2020, 04:29:37 PM
"Allowing professionals to compete will be the demise of the Olympics."
comparing apples to yoga pants
i don't recall the topic of allowing pros to compete in olympics being near the concern as paying college athletes. every other country had been doing it since socrates except us.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on January 07, 2020, 05:11:05 PM
comparing apples to yoga pants
i don't recall the topic of allowing pros to compete in olympics being near the concern as paying college athletes. every other country had been doing it since socrates except us.
I strongly disagree. It was a major topic of discussion for a long time.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on January 07, 2020, 05:11:05 PM
comparing apples to yoga pants
i don't recall the topic of allowing pros to compete in olympics being near the concern as paying college athletes. every other country had been doing it since socrates except us.
It is absolutely a valid comparison. Amateur athletics is a joke.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on January 07, 2020, 05:11:05 PM
comparing apples to yoga pants
i don't recall the topic of allowing pros to compete in olympics being near the concern as paying college athletes. every other country had been doing it since socrates except us.
NY Times October 1991, after it was announced pros would compete in the 1992 Summer Games:
"The Olympics Are Dead"
https://www.nytimes.com/1991/10/27/sports/l-the-olympics-are-dead-552791.html
Internals were interesting. 44% of the respondents are currently not employed. Hmm. Only 33% are college graduates.
The poll had questions about immigration, Trump, NCAA, abortion, etc. Outstanding poll for this issue....OUTSTANDING. ::)
http://www.apnorc.org/projects/Documents/NCAA%20Topline%202019.pdf
Quote from: Cheeks on January 07, 2020, 11:24:41 PM
Internals were interesting. 44% of the respondents are currently not employed. Hmm. Only 33% are college graduates.
Ignoring that you'd like to make this about Politics.
About 38% of Americans are not employed. Now, a vast majority of those are "Not in the labor force", but they're still not employed.
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t01.htm
Only about 35% of Americans are college graduates.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Educational_attainment_in_the_United_States#General_attainment_of_degrees/diplomas
So what's the issue?
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 07, 2020, 11:37:08 PM
Ignoring that you'd like to make this about Politics.
About 38% of Americans are not employed. Now, a vast majority of those are "Not in the labor force", but they're still not employed.
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t01.htm
Only about 35% of American's are college graduates.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Educational_attainment_in_the_United_States#General_attainment_of_degrees/diplomas
So what's the issue?
Let's put those lazy 90 year olds to work.
I forgot to mention in my OP that this is the second major national poll in which roughly 2/3rds of Americans surveyed said college athletes should be compensated when their names and images are used to generate profit.
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/20704329/blacks-whites-split-topic-compensation-college-players
While, as other Scoopers mentioned, California already has passed a law that will go in effect in 2023, many other states are working on legislation now. South Carolina -- the diametric ideological opposite of California -- is putting the final touches on a similar law that would take effect in 2021.
One can understand why the NCAA is desperate for a national law, because change is coming fast.
Quote from: MU82 on January 08, 2020, 08:07:25 AM
I forgot to mention in my OP that this is the second major national poll in which roughly 2/3rds of Americans surveyed said college athletes should be compensated when their names and images are used to generate profit.
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/20704329/blacks-whites-split-topic-compensation-college-players
While, as other Scoopers mentioned, California already has passed a law that will go in effect in 2023, many other states are working on legislation now. South Carolina -- the diametric ideological opposite of California -- is putting the final touches on a similar law that would take effect in 2021.
One can understand why the NCAA is desperate for a national law, because change is coming fast.
If there's something that transcends ideology, it's sports. The south has to get on board quickly or their sacred sports programs will be under attack.
I have been thinking about this issue for a while. I believe that 99 percent of College Athletes that are in head count sports ( those sports where scholarships and full cost of attendance are taken care) and 100 percent of College Athletes who are in equivalency sports ( partial scholarship rides) are more than fully compensated . As Chico points out most people dont understand the system fully and just respond to something that sounds good in concept.
That said, if the popular will wants to go to compensating student athletes , so be it. I think one of the strange consequences will be that smaller programs put all their resources into one great player. So it may turn out to be like old lawless days where payments where rampant . In those days schools like Jacksonville some how get a player like Artis Gilmore, Niagara gets Calvin Murphy, St. Bonnie gets Bob Lanier etc
So MU might be able to actually rise to the top in this scenario , just like they did with Al. Take our big budget and spending it wisely. Maybe create a niche going after two and done type players.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 08, 2020, 04:25:44 PM
So MU might be able to actually rise to the top in this scenario , just like they did with Al. Take our big budget and spending it wisely. Maybe create a niche going after two and done type players.
I've wondered how MU's big budget will play into this as well. The thing is, if a player is looking to be paid, does a certain mentality come with it?
Does that mentality fit with what they're doing now in terms of image?
Furthermore, is it that much of an advantage? Other schools have resources as well, especially from boosters. The other thing I think of is.... once you start paying guys, how does that affect other teammates who aren't getting paid?
There's a lot of ego massaging here, especially when you're applying this to competitive athletes that are kids. They often don't see the big picture and are prone to jealousy.
Quote from: Jockey on January 07, 2020, 11:54:08 PM
Let's put those lazy 90 year olds to work.
Pretty sure MU82 ain't been that old for all these years bruh