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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: rocket surgeon on December 28, 2019, 07:30:54 PM
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At least 2 offensive starters for Georgia’s sugar bowl will be skipping the game in order to prepare for the nfl. 3 others will miss for “other” reasons.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28383491/georgia-at-least-5-starters-vs-baylor-sugar-bowl
I realize this may be apples to yoga pants comparisons, but would an ncaa b-ball player skip a sweet 16, elite 8 or final 4 game(s), baring injury or other to prepare for the nba?
Just throwing this out there-I totally understand, but I wonder how this makes the team feel. In this case, the quarterback is losing both his tackles. That can’t make him look real good in this marquis game
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Yes they’d skip the S16, E8, or FF of the NIT to prepare for the NBA Draft.
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Discussed many other places. Last year, many were advocating for Zion to not return from his knee injury. With how his rookie season has gone from an injury perspective, maybe they were right.
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At least 2 offensive starters for Georgia’s sugar bowl will be skipping the game in order to prepare for the nfl. 3 others will miss for “other” reasons.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28383491/georgia-at-least-5-starters-vs-baylor-sugar-bowl
I realize this may be apples to yoga pants comparisons, but would an ncaa b-ball player skip a sweet 16, elite 8 or final 4 game(s), baring injury or other to prepare for the nba?
Just throwing this out there-I totally understand, but I wonder how this makes the team feel. In this case, the quarterback is losing both his tackles. That can’t make him look real good in this marquis game
I hope it comes to it....get this stuff out of college sports.
Just remember, these kids are playing to win games....LOL. What a crock. I get their investment in their bodies and I get their choice, let's just accept the reality that this is what it is....and what kids are choosing now. The sooner we get this stuff out of the college game, the better. In the meantime, they'll continue to do it and an aspect of the public will become disenchanted, but they don't see that part.
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Discussed many other places. Last year, many were advocating for Zion to not return from his knee injury. With how his rookie season has gone from an injury perspective, maybe they were right.
GET THIS STUFF OUT OF COLLEGE SPORTS. Let ZION go directly to the NBA and get this crap out of here. Force the NBA GMs to do their jobs and evaluate that talent at the high school level...they are quaking in their boots already at the thought of having to sign these kids with almost no real data or competition. Love it.
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I hope it comes to it....get this stuff out of college sports.
Just remember, these kids are playing to win games....LOL. What a crock. I get their investment in their bodies and I get their choice, let's just accept the reality that this is what it is....and what kids are choosing now. The sooner we get this stuff out of the college game, the better. In the meantime, they'll continue to do it and an aspect of the public will become disenchanted, but they don't see that part.
Now we’re even going to kids aren’t playing to win games? Wow.
Still waiting on just one quote from a 5 star recruit from the list of schools you provided claiming winning wasn’t as high on their list of priorities as getting to the NBA was. Just one. You listed about 10 schools and claimed your conclusion was made based on what you read that they said. Shouldn’t be hard to find a single link proving this.
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Discussed many other places. Last year, many were advocating for Zion to not return from his knee injury. With how his rookie season has gone from an injury perspective, maybe they were right.
Alrighty then, but my question isn’t skipping the whole thing from the beginning. What if they played games 1 & 2 or even 3 but decided to bail in one of the big ones, i.e. the final or championship game. I just thought it was an interesting scenario
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Remember, there have been quite a few players who have increased their values in these games. I’m sure there have been some flip sides as well
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Now we’re even going to kids aren’t playing to win games? Wow.
Still waiting on just one quote from a 5 star recruit from the list of schools you provided claiming winning wasn’t as high on their list of priorities as getting to the NBA was. Just one. You listed about 10 schools and claimed your conclusion was made based on what you read that they said. Shouldn’t be hard to find a single link proving this.
Markus Howard has never been quoted about Lou Gehrig's disease...therefore he doesn't care about Lou Gehrig's disease. Theo John has never been quoted about Chinese food in the press, therefore he doesn't like Chinese food.
Look, we can play these games all day if you wish P. Plenty of quotes about WHY a kid chose a certain school, and for some of them it comes down to:
Coaching staff can get me to the NBA
To get my skills better for the next level
Live my dream of going to the NBA
Etc, etc
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SOMEWHERE DOWN HERE, if they bother....because I want to play for a winning college program...or want to win in the college game.
Now, I didn't say all, I didn't even say most or many...I said SOME. And based on my conversations with agents (whom I deal with nearly daily), networks like the Big Ten Network, ACC, SEC Networks, etc....I know what I'm saying to be true. There are SOME (which is what I said), that don't give one damn about college, the program or winning...and certainly not going to class....they do so to stay eligible and that is the only reason. The second they can get out, they get out. That is what I said....the fact they didn't say a quote "I'm only here for the NBA development" is not what should be looked at.....it's often what is NOT said that is the key, and that's my point. Most guys go to play college basketball or football because they want to compete, play for a winning program, maybe get a degree, hopefully better themselves at a professional career.....unfortunately or fortunately (depending what you believe) that is NOT the case for SOME of these high level guys who don't give one damn about where or who they are playing for. Several of the examples I gave you are 100% slam dunks for that distinction.
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Remember, there have been quite a few players who have increased their values in these games. I’m sure there have been some flip sides as well
Correct. Those that think they are rock solid at a certain position in the draft, they will sit out. Their scholarship dollars should be docked...quite frankly....but oooooohhh, I'm a tyrant because they aren't living up to their agreed upon grant in aid they signed. Tyranical. ::)
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The amount of outrage one can muster over a hypothetical is truly impressive.
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Markus Howard has never been quoted about Lou Gehrig's disease...therefore he doesn't care about Lou Gehrig's disease. Theo John has never been quoted about Chinese food in the press, therefore he doesn't like Chinese food.
Look, we can play these games all day if you wish P. Plenty of quotes about WHY a kid chose a certain school, and for some of them it comes down to:
Coaching staff can get me to the NBA
To get my skills better for the next level
Live my dream of going to the NBA
Etc, etc
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SOMEWHERE DOWN HERE, if they bother....because I want to play for a winning college program...or want to win in the college game.
Now, I didn't say all, I didn't even say most or many...I said SOME. And based on my conversations with agents (whom I deal with nearly daily), networks like the Big Ten Network, ACC, SEC Networks, etc....I know what I'm saying to be true. There are SOME (which is what I said), that don't give one damn about college, the program or winning...and certainly not going to class....they do so to stay eligible and that is the only reason. The second they can get out, they get out. That is what I said....the fact they didn't say a quote "I'm only here for the NBA development" is not what should be looked at.....it's often what is NOT said that is the key, and that's my point. Most guys go to play college basketball or football because they want to compete, play for a winning program, maybe get a degree, hopefully better themselves at a professional career.....unfortunately or fortunately (depending what you believe) that is NOT the case for SOME of these high level guys who don't give one damn about where or who they are playing for. Several of the examples I gave you are 100% slam dunks for that distinction.
Cheeks. You claimed SOME of the players from a list of schools YOU listed said they weren’t as interested in winning as they were in getting ready for the NBA. When I said you didn’t know what their motivations were you claimed I didn’t either. That’s correct. The difference is I didn’t claim to know like you did. YOU claimed you knew this from what YOU READ THEM SAYING. I am asking for ONE example of this. Not ALL the players you claimed cared more about getting to the NBA than winning. Just ONE. Which would fall into “SOME” of these players.
But seems like another case where Cheeks claims he’s read all about something yet when asked for A SINGLE example...victim card comes flying out. Predictable.
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So does Dawson Garcia not care about winning since he chose Marquette over Kansas and UNC?
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So does Dawson Garcia not care about winning since he chose Marquette over Kansas and UNC?
Depends. Did Cheeks read it? Or better yet, since the goalposts have now shifted to this so that he can claim he can’t provide documented proof like when he claimed he was reading these things from the recruits but has yet to provide one example of, what did Cheeks hear from the agents he constantly deals with about Dawson NOT saying?
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Correct. Those that think they are rock solid at a certain position in the draft, they will sit out. Their scholarship dollars should be docked...quite frankly....but oooooohhh, I'm a tyrant because they aren't living up to their agreed upon grant in aid they signed. Tyranical. ::)
I don’t know if a school could enforce it, but good luck on the recruiting trail after that.
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The amount of outrage one can muster over a hypothetical is truly impressive.
Seems the outrage is coming from wades who is trying to call Chico’s out on a totally reasonable statement. Cheeks, how much rent you paying wades to live in his head? ;)
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Cheeks. You claimed SOME of the players from a list of schools YOU listed said they weren’t as interested in winning as they were in getting ready for the NBA. When I said you didn’t know what their motivations were you claimed I didn’t either. That’s correct. The difference is I didn’t claim to know like you did. YOU claimed you knew this from what YOU READ THEM SAYING. I am asking for ONE example of this. Not ALL the players you claimed cared more about getting to the NBA than winning. Just ONE. Which would fall into “SOME” of these players.
But seems like another case where Cheeks claims he’s read all about something yet when asked for A SINGLE example...victim card comes flying out. Predictable.
You lying about picking games, predictable.
No goalposts changed, P. None. Players go through the media drill, we did it with players at every level I have been at...it’s the cliche special about how glad they are to be here, they want to this and that....then there is reality at what actually happens.
James Wiseman...NCAA said he could play come January....he signed with an agent...I’m curious if winning is so important to him why he chose to do that....you know the answer, I know the answer, folks at the AAC definitely know the answer.... up you tell me. Then we can go through the others if you wish.
Why is it so hard for you to admit some guys just use this as a pit stop....hell, they are encouraged to do just that...forget school second semester as eligibility doesn’t matter, limit your practices, do enough to keep your brand and game going forward...get your shots, show what you can do. You should spend time with some NCAA coaches some time off the record. Again, SOME players do this. My fear, this gets a lot worse in the future until they get the one and done stuff eliminated. Too many people talking in their ears, they are making decisions solely for them...winning way down the list, if it exists at all. But sure, you believe in fairy tales if you wish.
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Seems the outrage is coming from wades who is trying to call Chico’s out on a totally reasonable statement. Cheeks, how much rent you paying wades to live in his head? ;)
Min wage...he went hard for it
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Seems the outrage is coming from wades who is trying to call Chico’s out on a totally reasonable statement. Cheeks, how much rent you paying wades to live in his head? ;)
As much as I’m paying to live in yours apparently.
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You lying about picking games, predictable.
No goalposts changed, P. None. Players go through the media drill, we did it with players at every level I have been at...it’s the cliche special about how glad they are to be here, they want to this and that....then there is reality at what actually happens.
James Wiseman...NCAA said he could play come January....he signed with an agent...I’m curious if winning is so important to him why he chose to do that....you know the answer, I know the answer, folks at the AAC definitely know the answer.... up you tell me. Then we can go through the others if you wish.
Why is it so hard for you to admit some guys just use this as a pit stop....hell, they are encouraged to do just that...forget school second semester as eligibility doesn’t matter, limit your practices, do enough to keep your brand and game going forward...get your shots, show what you can do. You should spend time with some NCAA coaches some time off the record. Again, SOME players do this. My fear, this gets a lot worse in the future until they get the one and done stuff eliminated. Too many people talking in their ears, they are making decisions solely for them...winning way down the list, if it exists at all. But sure, you believe in fairy tales if you wish.
Aka “I said I read these players saying what I claimed they said, but I really didn’t.”
Thank you for confirming what we all knew already.
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As much as I’m paying to live in yours apparently.
Nope, Just a big fan of yours buddy
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Min wage...he went hard for it
You live in everyone’s head that reads Scoop. Are we at 7K posts in 13 months now? Good thing you’re not going to be here all that often or the cost of rent might be quite a bit more. Thanks for the cheep living!
Nope, Just a big fan of yours buddy
Got it. That makes a lot of sense. Thank you, I appreciate knowing I have a fan on here.
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At least 2 offensive starters for Georgia’s sugar bowl will be skipping the game in order to prepare for the nfl. 3 others will miss for “other” reasons.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28383491/georgia-at-least-5-starters-vs-baylor-sugar-bowl
I realize this may be apples to yoga pants comparisons, but would an ncaa b-ball player skip a sweet 16, elite 8 or final 4 game(s), baring injury or other to prepare for the nba?
Just throwing this out there-I totally understand, but I wonder how this makes the team feel. In this case, the quarterback is losing both his tackles. That can’t make him look real good in this marquis game
This has been discussed numerous times on Scoop already. But sure, we can discuss it again.
And you're right ... your example is apples to yoga pants.
If you want apples to apples, compare sitting out one of tonight's college football playoff games to sitting out an NCAA
basketball tournament game
It hasn't happened. It likely won't happen. Because those games all matter, and these athletes want to win championships.
Al McGuire has been deified by some Scoopers for gallantly ordering Chones to quit on a legitimate championship contender so Chones could take care of himself financially.
What these football players are doing is skipping a glorified exhibition game so they don't ruin their financial future. There is at least one example of a top-50 draft prospect - Michigan's Jake Butt 3 years ago - who chose to play a non-playoff bowl game, got hurt, and it cost him millions and millions of dollars.
That same year, McCaffrey and Fournette skipped their bowl games, and took some heat for it, but they are making big bucks. McCaffrey has gone on to be one of the best players in the NFL.
That's capitalism, baby!
You want to claw back their scholarships? That's actually not all that unreasonable ... but try selling it to future recruits, unless it becomes a national policy (which it won't).
What do their teammates think? Well, all we can go by are the public comments of extreme support for guys like McCaffrey and Fournette. Maybe some resent it, but I have not seen or heard that kind of reaction.
What if guys start to skip 5 or 10 or 20 college games (depending on the sport)? Well, what if? Chones did just that, and his teammates and coaches endorsed it (as do many Scoopers now).
10-15 years into a dentist's career, he or she is just starting to make real money. Most pro athletes don't have careers half (or even a quarter) that long. They have to protect their earning power when they can and maximize it as early as they realistically can.
Have a nice night.
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Aka “I said I read these players saying what I claimed they said, but I really didn’t.”
Thank you for confirming what we all knew already.
Still lying....you betting or not...$500....man up or go to your room...
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You live in everyone’s head that reads Scoop. Are we at 7K posts in 13 months now? Good thing you’re not going to be here all that often or the cost of rent might be quite a bit more. Thanks for the cheep living!
Got it. That makes a lot of sense. Thank you, I appreciate knowing I have a fan on here.
Cheep...cheep..cheep...LOL....yes, you are cheep (sic)...
Everyone...nobody in the world...always...never....forever....yup, you are awesome with the broad strokes. PAT yourself on the back, P.
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Correct. Those that think they are rock solid at a certain position in the draft, they will sit out. Their scholarship dollars should be docked...quite frankly....but oooooohhh, I'm a tyrant because they aren't living up to their agreed upon grant in aid they signed. Tyranical. ::)
Why would you be a tyrant for enforcing a contract? It would be monumentally stupid to enforce it, but it’s not tyrannical.
You’re a tyrant because you’d think nothing of throwing people in jail for crimes there is no evidence that they committed. But that’s a different topic.
But your whiney victimization knows no bounds of topics, which is why no one would really mind if you fell off of Scoop forever.
For now, keep on topic.
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Remember, there have been quite a few players who have increased their values in these games. I’m sure there have been some flip sides as well
Right. But the players who are skipping these games are usually projected to be high picks where the downside risk is greater than the upside of having a big game on a big stage.
But my opinion is that good coaches won’t have a problem with this, and can actually use it as a recruiting tool.
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Let players earn off their likeness.
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Remove the scholarship, consider a clawback, and publicly admonish!
The poor schools are in an eff'd position where they can't do the above, but it would be reasonable to do so.
Student-athletes get so much.
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Why would you be a tyrant for enforcing a contract? It would be monumentally stupid to enforce it, but it’s not tyrannical.
You’re a tyrant because you’d think nothing of throwing people in jail for crimes there is no evidence that they committed. But that’s a different topic.
But your whiney victimization knows no bounds of topics, which is why no one would really mind if you fell off of Scoop forever.
For now, keep on topic.
He is not for honoring contracts. He is for athletes honoring contracts. Coaches? meh.
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Why would you be a tyrant for enforcing a contract? It would be monumentally stupid to enforce it, but it’s not tyrannical.
You’re a tyrant because you’d think nothing of throwing people in jail for crimes there is no evidence that they committed. But that’s a different topic.
But your whiney victimization knows no bounds of topics, which is why no one would really mind if you fell off of Scoop forever.
For now, keep on topic.
I can think of plenty who would mind here, but I get those that share opposite views don't like it when someone brings up opposite viewpoints....easiest to just make them go away or discredit them at every turn. Oh now...victimhood card.
I would throw people in jail for trying to sabotage a plane with 150 people on board to send a strong message not for anyone to do it again...but that's a different topic.
For now, keeping on topic.... they sign to play football, basketball, etc for a school. It doesn't say "until I feel like it", it doesn't say "until I deem the games aren't as important". So yes, I would enforce it because the person agreed to compete for the school, not compete for the school when they felt like it.
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I can think of plenty who would mind here, but I get those that share opposite views don't like it when someone brings up opposite viewpoints....easiest to just make them go away or discredit them at every turn. Oh now...victimhood card.
I would throw people in jail for trying to sabotage a plane with 150 people on board to send a strong message not for anyone to do it again...but that's a different topic.
For now, keeping on topic.... they sign to play football, basketball, etc for a school. It doesn't say "until I feel like it", it doesn't say "until I deem the games aren't as important". So yes, I would enforce it because the person agreed to compete for the school, not compete for the school when they felt like it.
Do athletic scholarship contracts mandate participation, and if not, then penalties? I honestly don’t know. If so, let’s see actual contractual language and actual facts, for both sides of this argument.
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Do athletic scholarship contracts mandate participation, and if not, then penalties? I honestly don’t know. If so, let’s see actual contractual language and actual facts, for both sides of this argument.
You's new here, ain't ya?
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I have nothing against schools attempting to claw back scholarships from players who skip college games, if that's what they want to do.
It would send quite a message to future recruits, but that would be their choice. And it would not get a single pro-bound athlete to change his mind.
"Let's see, I'm about to make tens of millions of dollars ... but I'd better risk a career-ending injury to play in the Chick-fil-A Weed Eater Blockbuster Video WorldCom Bowl because they're gonna make me repay my $50K scholarship."
If the NCAA wants to make such a thing national policy, cool. Maybe they could fold it into the new rules that permit athletes to profit off their own likenesses while retaining eligibility.
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Let players earn off their likeness.
Now that I thought about this, I believe women athletes just might earn more off their "likeness" than men. Let's be honest, sex sells.
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1. Isn't the first semester concluded before bowl season? Players can just withdraw from school at the conclusion of the semester. They may have even graduated by this time. Universities trying to get a clawback would face a steep legal challenge.
2. If players skipping bowl games is that big of a deal, schools can give the players a financial incentive to play. But I don't think the NCAA members will make the rule change.
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2. If players skipping bowl games is that big of a deal, schools can give the players a financial incentive to play. But I don't think the NCAA members will make the rule change.
Shouldn't swag bags be enough?
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Obviously, Trevor Lawrence isn't gonna skip the national title game.
But I wouldn't blame him a bit for sitting out all of next season. He could "retire" as a college football legend having never lost a game in 2 years, with 2 national titles (that's if he beats LSU; he'd still have a helluva resume even if Clemson loses) ... refine his game by working at his own pace with a QB guru ... make major money as an endorser ... stay healthy ... and still be the No. 1 overall pick in the 2021 draft.
If he comes back, he will have a target on his back. Defensive players will try to crush him, critics will find reasons to nitpick about his game, a serious injury could cost him $100 million-plus, etc. All one has to do is look at what happened to Tua this year.
Lawrence probably won't skip the 2020 season, but he probably should at least seriously consider it.
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Just got around to looking at the language on this in the grant in aid. Not sure if this is standardized across institutions, but I suspect that it is. The language in the grant-in-aid says (or at least said in November 2016), "I am aware that pursuant to NCAA Bylaw 15.3.4 and associated NCAA interpretations, the amount of this aid may be immediately reduced or cancelled during the term of this award if...I voluntarily withdraw from this sport for personal reasons..."
So, it would be consistent with the agreement to stop offering the GIA, but there is no provision to recover past payments. I don't know how many of the players who skip the bowl games return for the spring semester (suggesting the GIA is not cancelled) or how many stop attending at the end of the fall semester (receiving no further GIA).
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Just got around to looking at the language on this in the grant in aid. Not sure if this is standardized across institutions, but I suspect that it is. The language in the grant-in-aid says (or at least said in November 2016), "I am aware that pursuant to NCAA Bylaw 15.3.4 and associated NCAA interpretations, the amount of this aid may be immediately reduced or cancelled during the term of this award if...I voluntarily withdraw from this sport for personal reasons..."
So, it would be consistent with the agreement to stop offering the GIA, but there is no provision to recover past payments. I don't know how many of the players who skip the bowl games return for the spring semester (suggesting the GIA is not cancelled) or how many stop attending at the end of the fall semester (receiving no further GIA).
And since school isn't in session during a bowl game, there won't be any aid to cancel. If an athlete completes the semester, moves back home, etc., and then withdraws from school, the school has no recourse because cancellation only applies "during the period of the award." (ie, the first semester)
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Just got around to looking at the language on this in the grant in aid. Not sure if this is standardized across institutions, but I suspect that it is. The language in the grant-in-aid says (or at least said in November 2016), "I am aware that pursuant to NCAA Bylaw 15.3.4 and associated NCAA interpretations, the amount of this aid may be immediately reduced or cancelled during the term of this award if...I voluntarily withdraw from this sport for personal reasons..."
So, it would be consistent with the agreement to stop offering the GIA, but there is no provision to recover past payments. I don't know how many of the players who skip the bowl games return for the spring semester (suggesting the GIA is not cancelled) or how many stop attending at the end of the fall semester (receiving no further GIA).
Not standardized, but 15.3.4.2(d) is clear. Aid can be reduced or canceled if there is voluntary withdrawal. I wonder if any kids who skip actually do want to continue studies in the Spring, and what schools have done in these cases.
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Not standardized, but 15.3.4.2(d) is clear. Aid can be reduced or canceled if there is voluntary withdrawal. I wonder if any kids who skip actually do want to continue studies in the Spring, and what schools have done in these cases.
My guess -- and it's only a guess -- is that schools generally permit it and extend the GIA to the spring semester, even in cases where players skip the bowl games.
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I have nothing against schools attempting to claw back scholarships from players who skip college games, if that's what they want to do.
It would send quite a message to future recruits, but that would be their choice. And it would not get a single pro-bound athlete to change his mind.
"Let's see, I'm about to make tens of millions of dollars ... but I'd better risk a career-ending injury to play in the Chick-fil-A Weed Eater Blockbuster Video WorldCom Bowl because they're gonna make me repay my $50K scholarship."
If the NCAA wants to make such a thing national policy, cool. Maybe they could fold it into the new rules that permit athletes to profit off their own likenesses while retaining eligibility.
The message it would send is we are giving you a free education in exchange for you participating in our season. That's the deal.
Don't worry, all of you outraged by NIL are going to get that soon enough....along with all the warts that go with it. The "solve" that so many of you think it becomes, only opens up new problems.
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Shouldn't swag bags be enough?
Shouldn't honoring the document they signed be enough? Cue the "but coaches don't honor document nonsense"....except they do...buyout clauses are the penalty. They cannot just up and leave without that penalty. If players don't want to honor the commitment they are signing, then don't sign them...play somewhere else, go pro, abandon your teammates and school - your decision.
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And since school isn't in session during a bowl game, there won't be any aid to cancel. If an athlete completes the semester, moves back home, etc., and then withdraws from school, the school has no recourse because cancellation only applies "during the period of the award." (ie, the first semester)
I want to make sure I understand how you might be interpreting this. A college basketball player their season straddles both semesters. The GIA covers tuition, etc, for both semesters. I understand you are talking football above, but say in basketball are you suggesting a college basketball player is a free agent between semesters since the period of the award stopped at the semester finish?
Again, not accusing...asking if that would complete your thought process?
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Shouldn't honoring the document they signed be enough? Cue the "but coaches don't honor document nonsense"....except they do...buyout clauses are the penalty. They cannot just up and leave without that penalty.
They literally can do so if they leave during a semester break - like before a bowl game.
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Shouldn't honoring the document they signed be enough?
Nothing in the document requires a kid to continue playing if he/she chooses to no longer play, nor does it state that it would be a violation of the contract.
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Nothing in the document requires a kid to continue playing if he/she chooses to no longer play, nor does it state that it would be a violation of the contract.
It says the GIA can be reduced or immediately withdrawn as currently written.
I would suggest schools tighten these up in the future and pay for the GIA not on a quarterly or semester basis of the school year, but tie it to the season of competition. I would also directly tie the GIA into that completion. If you want 100% of your tuition covered you are available for 100% of the athletic calendar. If you leave early, you are subject to having to pay a prorated difference of the time remaining in the academic calendar.
Will some schools not do that as a recruiting tool? Sure. Go for it. If I was a coach I'd ask if you are here to win, play for your teammates or are you just here to go through the motions and don't care? Hmm...seems we recently had this discussion and absolutely there are some kids that are there only as a pitstop, could care little about winning and just want to get to the paycheck...fine...then sign with one of those schools.
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It says the GIA can be reduced or immediately withdrawn as currently written.
I would suggest schools tighten these up in the future and pay for the GIA not on a quarterly or semester basis of the school year, but tie it to the season of competition. I would also directly tie the GIA into that completion. If you want 100% of your tuition covered you are available for 100% of the athletic calendar. If you leave early, you are subject to having to pay a prorated difference of the time remaining in the academic calendar.
Will some schools not do that as a recruiting tool? Sure. Go for it. If I was a coach I'd ask if you are here to win, play for your teammates or are you just here to go through the motions and don't care? Hmm...seems we recently had this discussion and absolutely there are some kids that are there only as a pitstop, could care little about winning and just want to get to the paycheck...fine...then sign with one of those schools.
So very shocked that you would want to limit the options of student athletes even more.
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It says the GIA can be reduced or immediately withdrawn as currently written.
Right. If an athlete chooses not to play, the school has the option to stop providing him/her with the benefits of an athletic scholarship. So if Alabama Player A chooses to skip the Citrus Bowl, Alabama can choose not to educate him for free any more.
This seems entirely fair and reasonable.
But that's not the same as saying the athlete must play or that the schools have the right to seek a return of benefits previously earned.
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I feel like this is the same as the NIL debate. People are maki the exception into the norm. I don’t follow closely enough, but are non-first round picks skipping bowls?
People make it sound like these bowls are featuring walkons against each other.
Coaches also have their new employer pay the buyout more often than not. So not sure how big of a penalty that is.
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I feel like this is the same as the NIL debate. People are maki the exception into the norm. I don’t follow closely enough, but are non-first round picks skipping bowls?
Absolutely.
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I feel like this is the same as the NIL debate. People are maki the exception into the norm. I don’t follow closely enough, but are non-first round picks skipping bowls?
People make it sound like these bowls are featuring walkons against each other.
Coaches also have their new employer pay the buyout more often than not. So not sure how big of a penalty that is.
And new employers are scared off if that new penalty is too high, but to hear some speak its as if any coach at any time can just get up on Tuesday, walk down to the corner coaching store and get a better gig whenever they want.
And yes, more than just first rounders are skipping bowls games.
I say all of this in a good natured way.
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I feel like this is the same as the NIL debate. People are maki the exception into the norm. I don’t follow closely enough, but are non-first round picks skipping bowls?
People make it sound like these bowls are featuring walkons against each other.
Coaches also have their new employer pay the buyout more often than not. So not sure how big of a penalty that is.
It's definitely the exception and not the norm.
Having said that, sure, even some non-stars who care about their financial futures are skipping bowls. They have every right to do so ... just as they have every right to play in them; I wouldn't criticize them for that, either.
As you state, a buyout is absolutely no deterrent to a coach leaving. A buyout clause simply guarantees money for the school if the coach leaves. The new school pays the buyout almost every time. (I can't think of a recent example in which the new school didn't, but maybe there are examples out there, so I won't say it as an absolute.)
The App State coach bolted a couple weeks before his school's bowl game to take the job at Mizzou. He had only completed his first season at App State and had several years left on his contract. Nobody should begrudge him that. It's a better job, and he would be foolish not to secure a better financial future for himself and his family. But he is no more or less "disloyal" than an athlete who does the same, IMHO.
Again, Jim Chones left a Marquette team in the middle of a season -- one that many thought would have resulted in a national title had he stayed. His coach, Al McGuire, strongly backed the move; indeed, McGuire insisted on it. Why? Because McGuire wanted Chones to take care of his financial future.
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Having said that, sure, even some non-stars who care about their financial futures are skipping bowls.
Where do you - if anywhere - draw the line? What if they care about their financial future so they quit 10 games in? Only bowls are OK, or is it much deeper than that?
It’s their right? Sure, anyone can say eff a contract, but there are remedies. Kids in this situation have a huge advantage BC iof the negative press aspect.
If a kid has a great first four weeks, are you supportive and praising of a kid quitting the team?
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Where do you - if anywhere - draw the line? What if they care about their financial future so they quit 10 games in? Only bowls are OK, or is it much deeper than that?
It’s their right? Sure, anyone can say eff a contract, but there are remedies. Kids in this situation have a huge advantage BC iof the negative press aspect.
If a kid has a great first four weeks, are you supportive and praising of a kid quitting the team?
This is just a slippery slope argument that has no real life examples as far as I know. Bowl games, due to taking place after the semester ends and weeks after the regular season, are a unique outlier that don’t exist in other sports.
If a player wanted to quit four weeks in, that’s fine. But I wouldn’t blame the school for rescinding their GIA and charging him.
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This is just a slippery slope argument that has no real life examples as far as I know. Bowl games, due to taking place after the semester ends and weeks after the regular season, are a unique outlier that don’t exist in other sports.
If a player wanted to quit four weeks in, that’s fine. But I wouldn’t blame the school for rescinding their GIA and charging him.
So it’s OK to rescind early on in the season, but not later?
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So it’s OK to rescind early on in the season, but not later?
As I understand the rule, schools can’t rescind after the semester ends. Since most (all?) bowl games are played when schools are not in session, I don’t schools have any recourse.
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As I understand the rule, schools can’t rescind after the semester ends. Since most (all?) bowl games are played when schools are not in session, I don’t schools have any recourse.
You’re not answering the question (or typing English). I’m asking if you’re OK with kids quitting late in the season, or mid-season?
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This has been discussed numerous times on Scoop already. But sure, we can discuss it again.
And you're right ... your example is apples to yoga pants.
If you want apples to apples, compare sitting out one of tonight's college football playoff games to sitting out an NCAA
basketball tournament game
It hasn't happened. It likely won't happen. Because those games all matter, and these athletes want to win championships.
Al McGuire has been deified by some Scoopers for gallantly ordering Chones to quit on a legitimate championship contender so Chones could take care of himself financially.
What these football players are doing is skipping a glorified exhibition game so they don't ruin their financial future. There is at least one example of a top-50 draft prospect - Michigan's Jake Butt 3 years ago - who chose to play a non-playoff bowl game, got hurt, and it cost him millions and millions of dollars.
That same year, McCaffrey and Fournette skipped their bowl games, and took some heat for it, but they are making big bucks. McCaffrey has gone on to be one of the best players in the NFL.
That's capitalism, baby!
You want to claw back their scholarships? That's actually not all that unreasonable ... but try selling it to future recruits, unless it becomes a national policy (which it won't).
What do their teammates think? Well, all we can go by are the public comments of extreme support for guys like McCaffrey and Fournette. Maybe some resent it, but I have not seen or heard that kind of reaction.
What if guys start to skip 5 or 10 or 20 college games (depending on the sport)? Well, what if? Chones did just that, and his teammates and coaches endorsed it (as do many Scoopers now).
10-15 years into a dentist's career, he or she is just starting to make real money. Most pro athletes don't have careers half (or even a quarter) that long. They have to protect their earning power when they can and maximize it as early as they realistically can.
Have a nice night.
Thanks, Mike, for this oasis of common sense in a desert of mean spirited insanity. And BTW, I don’t address you as “Mike” to be a dick or to “doxx” you. I do it as a sign of familiarity and friendship. Unlike you know who. If you’re offended (LOL) just let me know.
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You’re not answering the question (or typing English). I’m asking if you’re OK with kids quitting late in the season, or mid-season?
Yes. If Markus wanted to leave the program tomorrow to prepare on his own for the NBA draft, I wouldn’t have a problem with it. He’s an adult making what he thinks is the best decision for his future. Really no different than a mid year transfer.
And if it happened mid semester, I wouldn’t blame Marquette for rescinding his GIA.
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Thanks, Mike, for this oasis of common sense in a desert of mean spirited insanity. And BTW, I don’t address you as “Mike” to be a dick or to “doxx” you. I do it as a sign of familiarity and friendship. Unlike you know who. If you’re offended (LOL) just let me know.
Namedropper
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Yes. If Markus wanted to leave the program tomorrow to prepare on his own for the NBA draft, I wouldn’t have a problem with it. He’s an adult making what he thinks is the best decision for his future. Really no different than a mid year transfer.
And if it happened mid semester, I wouldn’t blame Marquette for rescinding his GIA.
Cool, dude. Let’s enter some into done contracts as counterparties. This is goooone b gr8
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Where do you - if anywhere - draw the line? What if they care about their financial future so they quit 10 games in? Only bowls are OK, or is it much deeper than that?
It’s their right? Sure, anyone can say eff a contract, but there are remedies. Kids in this situation have a huge advantage BC iof the negative press aspect.
If a kid has a great first four weeks, are you supportive and praising of a kid quitting the team?
I guess I draw the line the same place Jim Chones did and Lou Holtz did and Eli Drinkwitz did.
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Cool, dude. Let’s enter some into done contracts as counterparties. This is goooone b gr8
Uh...who wouldn’t be abiding by their contractural obligations if Markus left tomorrow?
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Uh...who wouldn’t be abiding by their contractural obligations if Markus left tomorrow?
Markus
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Markus
#fakenews
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Markus
Nope. Second semester hasn’t started. No benefit gained by Markus. Therefore no compensation to be paid back.
Interesting how people like to only point out the contractural language when it benefits them, but ignore it when it doesn’t.
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Nope. Second semester hasn’t started. No benefit gained by Markus. Therefore no compensation to be paid back.
Interesting how people like to only point out the contractural language when it benefits them, but ignore it when it doesn’t.
He has been given a year long scholarship. It could be cut in half. Stop lying, dipcrap.
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He has been given a year long scholarship. It could be cut in half. Stop lying, dipcrap.
Please quote the contract language that bars an athlete from choosing to stop playing.
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Nope. Second semester hasn’t started. No benefit gained by Markus. Therefore no compensation to be paid back.
Interesting how people like to only point out the contractural language when it benefits them, but ignore it when it doesn’t.
This goes to the question I asked earlier...so you do believe there is a window for a sport that crosses class periods to opt out....it seems you do anyway.
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Please quote the contract language that bars an athlete from choosing to stop playing.
Who said “barred”? An SA *can* do a lot of things. The question is whether there is a related remedy.
The NCAA Bylaws provide a remedy for an institution when an SA chooses to stop playing.
It also provides a remedy if an SA is convicted of murder.
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Thanks, Mike, for this oasis of common sense in a desert of mean spirited insanity. And BTW, I don’t address you as “Mike” to be a dick or to “doxx” you. I do it as a sign of familiarity and friendship. Unlike you know who. If you’re offended (LOL) just let me know.
Lenny Man, he goes bye Nads, hey?
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He has been given a year long scholarship. It could be cut in half. Stop lying, dipcrap.
False. The terms of the contract allow him to leave early with compensation provided to the school if the athlete leaves for personal reasons, or via transfer if they submitted paperwork. Implicit in the NCAA bylaw is that an athete may leave in between semesters with no compensation provided.
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False. The terms of the contract allow him to leave early with compensation provided to the school if the athlete leaves for personal reasons, or via transfer if they submitted paperwork. Implicit in the NCAA bylaw is that an athete may leave in between semesters with no compensation provided.
Norby, Markus has a scholarship for the 2019-20 academic year. If he quit the team tomorrow, the school could drop the scholarship. C’mon bub
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Norby, Markus has a scholarship for the 2019-20 academic year. If he quit the team tomorrow, the school could drop the scholarship. C’mon bub
Of course. But the remedies are part of the contract itself. If Markus left tomorrow, he would get no GIA for the second semester. If he left February 15, he would have to reimburse the GIA that Marquette provided for second semester - if MU chose to enforce the remedies.
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Of course. But the remedies are part of the contract itself. If Markus left tomorrow, he would get no GIA for the second semester. If he left February 15, he would have to reimburse the GIA that Marquette provided for second semester - if MU chose to enforce the remedies.
No. Not all remedies are in the GIAs, which are not standardized among all schools.
At any rate, I don’t think a Feb-15-so-reimburse-us scenario would ever play out because the SAs have the power (PR)... and not sure that’s in many GIAs. However, if he did leave Feb 15 the aid could be removed immediately. That would be the remedy for the school.
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Agreed.
I thought the GIA had boilerplate language, but it can be customized in some ways as well?
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”Again, Jim Chones left a Marquette team in the middle of a season -- one that many thought would have resulted in a national title had he stayed. His coach, Al McGuire, strongly backed the move; indeed, McGuire insisted on it. Why? Because McGuire wanted Chones to take care of his financial future.”
MU- this was an extraordinary show of Al’s concern for his guys well-being first. His humanity and unselfishness. If I remember correctly, Al gave his blessing before the news came out and thus the green light for jimmy. plus it was jimmys family (the state of their home, etc)whom Al saw as the real impetus and proactive gesture
Not sure any of these other coaches have been this out in front about their stars ending their seasons early for their health $ we’ll being. Some of these families of their stars had already been cough-cough, ahem, been doing alright for themselves as opposed to jimmys.
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”Again, Jim Chones left a Marquette team in the middle of a season -- one that many thought would have resulted in a national title had he stayed. His coach, Al McGuire, strongly backed the move; indeed, McGuire insisted on it. Why? Because McGuire wanted Chones to take care of his financial future.”
MU- this was an extraordinary show of Al’s concern for his guys well-being first. His humanity and unselfishness. If I remember correctly, Al gave his blessing before the news came out and thus the green light for jimmy. plus it was jimmys family (the state of their home, etc)whom Al saw as the real impetus and proactive gesture
Not sure any of these other coaches have been this out in front about their stars ending their seasons early for their health $ we’ll being. Some of these families of their stars had already been cough-cough, ahem, been doing alright for themselves as opposed to jimmys.
Yup
As Jim told me, his circumstances were also severe and not the same as the vast majority of these other pursuits. Jim’s dad had died, the family was already impoverished. Things were so bad he couldn’t wait four months for the NBA draft. This was a day to day survival situation which is rare and not typically that extreme in these other cases.
Al was pushing this long before it hit the press because of Jim’s situation.
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Who said “barred”? An SA *can* do a lot of things. The question is whether there is a related remedy.
The NCAA Bylaws provide a remedy for an institution when an SA chooses to stop playing.
It also provides a remedy if an SA is convicted of murder.
Right. Not only does the contract not state it's a violation for an athlete to voluntarily stop playing, but it envisions that exact thing happening and lays out what could happen if it does. I emphasize "could" because it's worth noting that the contract says an athlete's aid "may be immediately reduced or cancelled." Not "will be" or "must be," but "may be." That's noteworthy because it belies the arguments of some here that seem to believe the NCAA ought to, and would be on solid footing to, recover aid already provided. Even the NCAA in its own contract suggests no such thing.
I don't think anyone here has ever said it would be wrong or unreasonable for a school to stop providing aid when an athlete chooses to stop playing.
As for murder, I've never seen that mentioned in a scholarship agreement, but I'll take your word for it.
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Which is why if this becomes more and more a thing, the schools should tighten up this language. JB brings up an excellent point, however, in that the media and PR backlash will of course be massively on one side. The SA will simply claim he is hurt, can't participate in said games, so why are you penalizing the kid by revoking part of the scholarship....yada yada yada.
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Which is why if this becomes more and more a thing, the schools should tighten up this language. JB brings up an excellent point, however, in that the media and PR backlash will of course be massively on one side. The SA will simply claim he is hurt, can't participate in said games, so why are you penalizing the kid by revoking part of the scholarship....yada yada yada.
Nah.
When these kids stop playing, it's because they're leaving school to focus on preparing for the draft. It's not Nick Bosa and Leonard Fournette attended classes second semester on their respective schools' dime. I've yet to see a case in which an athlete stopped playing games, but demanded that the school continue, against its wishes, to provide free education, room, board, etc.
Am I missing any?
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”Again, Jim Chones left a Marquette team in the middle of a season -- one that many thought would have resulted in a national title had he stayed. His coach, Al McGuire, strongly backed the move; indeed, McGuire insisted on it. Why? Because McGuire wanted Chones to take care of his financial future.”
MU- this was an extraordinary show of Al’s concern for his guys well-being first. His humanity and unselfishness. If I remember correctly, Al gave his blessing before the news came out and thus the green light for jimmy. plus it was jimmys family (the state of their home, etc)whom Al saw as the real impetus and proactive gesture
Not sure any of these other coaches have been this out in front about their stars ending their seasons early for their health $ we’ll being. Some of these families of their stars had already been cough-cough, ahem, been doing alright for themselves as opposed to jimmys.
rocket: Al was right, IMHO, as was Chones. Many of us love Al (and/or the memory of Al), so we are totally onboard with what happened back then. Indeed, many Scoopers romanticize that situation, all part of the Saint Al narrative (which is cool).
But think about it -- this was a college athlete leaving a championship-level team just a couple weeks before the start of the NCAA tournament. The team was 21-0 when he left ... but lost its very next game and limped to a 3-4 finish that included a second-round NCAA-tournament loss.
Had there been a Scoop back then, how would most Scoopers have responded?
As for the bowl-skippers, IMHO the financial status of the athlete should have nothing to do with how "right" they are. McCaffrey's family obviously had money; so it's OK for a poor kid to protect his professional and financial future but not McCaffrey? That doesn't seem fair.
It's OK for Chones to bail on a championship-level team but not for Fournette to skip a bowl game that has absolutely no bearing on anything tangible?
Obviously, I believe McCaffrey and Fournette were "right" doing what they did. The many athletes who are skipping bowl games this year are "right." The many who choose to play in bowl games also are "right." I also don't begrudge the coaches who bolt from their contracts and skip bowl games to improve their financial and professional futures; that's just the way things work.
Skipping a non-playoff bowl game to secure one's financial future seems like a no-brainer to me. Ed McCaffrey, a longtime NFL player, advised his son to do it. I would have done the same had my son been in a similar position.
That said, for those who want to play in those games, I support their choices, too.
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Nah.
When these kids stop playing, it's because they're leaving school to focus on preparing for the draft. It's not Nick Bosa and Leonard Fournette attended classes second semester on their respective schools' dime. I've yet to see a case in which an athlete stopped playing games, but demanded that the school continue, against its wishes, to provide free education, room, board, etc.
Am I missing any?
It depends on the situation, there are some kids that still go on and get that degree to graduate in May or June while others do not as you exemplified.
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Nah.
When these kids stop playing, it's because they're leaving school to focus on preparing for the draft. It's not Nick Bosa and Leonard Fournette attended classes second semester on their respective schools' dime. I've yet to see a case in which an athlete stopped playing games, but demanded that the school continue, against its wishes, to provide free education, room, board, etc.
Am I missing any?
You wouldn’t hear about it because the school’s hands are tied by crazies in the public, like you and the mass media.
Remember what Will Grier did? Shameful
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Remember what Will Grier did? Shameful
You mean when he skipped the Camping World Bowl on the recommendation of his head coach? Disgusting!
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You mean when he skipped the Camping World Bowl on the recommendation of his head coach? Disgusting!
You probably believe that. Sad!
No, when he played in the senior bowl after quitting on his team.
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You probably believe what. Sad!
No, when he played in the senior bowl after quitting on his team.
Gross!
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rocket: Al was right, IMHO, as was Chones. Many of us love Al (and/or the memory of Al), so we are totally onboard with what happened back then. Indeed, many Scoopers romanticize that situation, all part of the Saint Al narrative (which is cool).
But think about it -- this was a college athlete leaving a championship-level team just a couple weeks before the start of the NCAA tournament. The team was 21-0 when he left ... but lost its very next game and limped to a 3-4 finish that included a second-round NCAA-tournament loss.
Had there been a Scoop back then, how would most Scoopers have responded?
As for the bowl-skippers, IMHO the financial status of the athlete should have nothing to do with how "right" they are. McCaffrey's family obviously had money; so it's OK for a poor kid to protect his professional and financial future but not McCaffrey? That doesn't seem fair.
It's OK for Chones to bail on a championship-level team but not for Fournette to skip a bowl game that has absolutely no bearing on anything tangible?
Obviously, I believe McCaffrey and Fournette were "right" doing what they did. The many athletes who are skipping bowl games this year are "right." The many who choose to play in bowl games also are "right." I also don't begrudge the coaches who bolt from their contracts and skip bowl games to improve their financial and professional futures; that's just the way things work.
Skipping a non-playoff bowl game to secure one's financial future seems like a no-brainer to me. Ed McCaffrey, a longtime NFL player, advised his son to do it. I would have done the same had my son been in a similar position.
That said, for those who want to play in those games, I support their choices, too.
Can’t disagree with anything here 82, each have an investment in themselves that they should want to protect.
I’ve got to believe in jimmys situation, the players knew what was coming. The others? I don’t know, but if they didn’t, I’ve got to think there is/was some animosity to win that next “big” game. Many of them had that as a goal and the player that got them there just went poof
I’m just throwing different scenarios out there that might come into play. Not saying if they are right or wrong. Not for me to decide.
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Can’t disagree with anything here 82, each have an investment in themselves that they should want to protect.
I’ve got to believe in jimmys situation, the players knew what was coming. The others? I don’t know, but if they didn’t, I’ve got to think there is/was some animosity to win that next “big” game. Many of them had that as a goal and the player that got them there just went poof
I’m just throwing different scenarios out there that might come into play. Not saying if they are right or wrong. Not for me to decide.
Fair enough, rocket.
The only quotes I've ever seen about these kids who skip bowl games have been supportive, but people say all kinds of things in public they might not believe.
Like coaches and dentists and sportswriters and folks of any walk in life, there is a "fraternity" of athletes. In general, they tend to support each other's pursuit of better lives.
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Nah, eye've herd dentists hate each udder's guts, hey?
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You wouldn’t hear about it because the school’s hands are tied by crazies in the public, like you and the mass media.
Remember what Will Grier did? Shameful
another fool denigrating the mass media.
Wonder where he got that idea from.
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another fool denigrating the mass media.
Wonder where he got that idea from.
Well considering Gallup polls showing less than 50% trust in the media goes back to 2003....yes, please tell us since your theory since the one you just tied to push was false. Feel free to look it up on google.
Happy New Year
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Well considering Gallup polls showing less than 50% trust in the media goes back to 2003....yes, please tell us since your theory since the one you just tied to push was false. Feel free to look it up on google.
Happy New Year
A deeper dive into those polls tells a very different story.
Happy New Year
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Haven't read the whole thread but I'd point out that those against compensation for NIL are also the ones against players skipping bowl games....ironically allowing the former likely prevents the latter
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A deeper dive into those polls tells a very different story.
Happy New Year
Not really, but I get the reflex you have to always defend the water carriers.
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Man, wee gots lotsa fools on dis board accordin' ta Brandy (know doxin' intended). Of course, opinions are like ass holes, aina?
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Haven't read the whole thread but I'd point out that those against compensation for NIL are also the ones against players skipping bowl games....ironically allowing the former likely prevents the latter
These guys are going to play in a game with their argument that they protecting millions in future revenues for a much smaller amount from NIL?
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Not really, but I get the reflex you have to always defend the water carriers.
Ignorance is bliss.
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Ignorance is bliss.
LOL. Yup, every Gallup poll since 2003...if we only knew what was really going on behind the numbers.
Coincidentally non Gallup polls on the same subject show the same thing...but only if knew.
Outstanding
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LOL. Yup, every Gallup poll since 2003...if we only knew what was really going on behind the numbers.
Coincidentally non Gallup polls on the same subject show the same thing...but only if knew.
Outstanding
"My worst, my absolute worst about me came on this message board….and for that I apologize to you. The desire to be right all the time, push buttons, get the last word in, etc. Just not good... UGH. Embarrassing." --Jams
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"My worst, my absolute worst about me came on this message board….and for that I apologize to you. The desire to be right all the time, push buttons, get the last word in, etc. Just not good... UGH. Embarrassing." --Jams
Just another thing he was lying about.
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Just another thing he was lying about.
Lol. I give what I get here. For someone like you, who always has to have the last word as well, to pontificate on this is funny.
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These guys are going to play in a game with their argument that they protecting millions in future revenues for a much smaller amount from NIL?
Depends on what their NIL contracts say. If they have to appear in the bowl games as part of the agreement then yes they would or they'd be in breach.
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Depends on what their NIL contracts say. If they have to appear in the bowl games as part of the agreement then yes they would or they'd be in breach.
NIL isn’t the relevant doc here.
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NIL isn’t the relevant doc here.
Sure it is, if we want to fix this. Your argument is that the scholarship agreement requires their participation....it does not otherwise it's conditional which make them university employees which as has been repeated ad nauseum (correctly) in the eyes of the law SAs are not employees.
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Depends on what their NIL contracts say. If they have to appear in the bowl games as part of the agreement then yes they would or they'd be in breach.
And they will say so what, the amount of money at risk of injury vs what they would get from NIL is no comparison. That's why I don't see how your argument holds water. NIL isn't going to stop these guys from sitting out.
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You probably believe that. Sad!
No, when he played in the senior bowl after quitting on his team.
when you're the least famous of your brothers maybe he felt he had no choice...unless he wanted to quit football to be a "youtube celebrity" whose talent is convincing others you have talent instead of taking a beating on a weekly basis.
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Hi, I am not good at reading comprehension
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No, and I'm not sure you know what an NLI is. First, it's not required. Second, it's relevant for one year and that's it.
My argument is that NCAA bylaws allow a school to revoke athletic aid if a kid voluntarily quits. That's just factual.
Isn't he talking about NIL, not NLI?
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No, and I'm not sure you know what an NLI is. First, it's not required. Second, it's relevant for one year and that's it.
Reading would be helpful. He said NIL (name, image, likeness) not NLI.
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My argument is that NCAA bylaws allow a school to revoke athletic aid if a kid voluntarily quits. That's just factual.
Not if they skip a bowl game.
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Isn't he talking about NIL, not NLI?
My bad
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And they will say so what, the amount of money at risk of injury vs what they would get from NIL is no comparison. That's why I don't see how your argument holds water. NIL isn't going to stop these guys from sitting out.
Simple contract law, if the "advertisement" agreement I sign as part of my NIL with the local car dealership includes the requirement that I participate in all relevant games(as an example) and then I willfully sit out one of those said games I'm in breach of contract and all the money I earned can be taken away via lawsuit.
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Simple contract law, if the "advertisement" agreement I sign as part of my NIL with the local car dealership includes the requirement that I participate in all relevant games(as an example) and then I willfully sit out one of those said games I'm in breach of contract and all the money I earned can be taken away via lawsuit.
Keep in mind, the kids we are talking about sitting out bowl games are also the kids that are going to get the biggest contracts under NIL provisions if available. So having that money plus the hassle of legal action if they sit out is likely to be more than enough to get them back into the games that don't actually matter that we all watch like lemmings. Yes the NIL contracts won't be nearly as big as the NFL contracts but they are certainly something more than the nothing burger they currently get to play a meaningless game.
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Simple contract law, if the "advertisement" agreement I sign as part of my NIL with the local car dealership includes the requirement that I participate in all relevant games(as an example) and then I willfully sit out one of those said games I'm in breach of contract and all the money I earned can be taken away via lawsuit.
Understand completely, but what I am saying is “all that money” from the local car dealership will pale in comparison to the risk / reward calculus he will do and will happily breach IMO.