1. Koby will get better.
2. Sacar is in a nice groove. It appears he will be the second scorer.
3. Bailey and Cain continue to deliver.
4. Theo getting abused on the perimeter is why it is difficult to play two bigs at the same time.
5. 'step on their necks'. Three Markus misses and three defensive breakdowns.
6. Good defense for MU, tough makes by ND. NDSU did a really nice job of spacing the floor and neutralizing the help. And road teams getting soft rims from 3? WTH?
7. Good offense by MU, missed good shots. Really not that many bad shots. Except anything taken by Koby from distance. Odd misses on good looks. Layups, little runners, post ups.
8. Opportunities to blow it open. Not seized
9. NDSU did a lot of good stuff. Kudos.
10. Avoided the upset. Set a record. Festive holidays to all.
Announcers said at the end what I have been saying all along. This is a talented team. Even without the Hausers.
Backdoor cover.
So long as you didn't take Marquette at -15
Feels like this will be a really good win on selection sunday
It won't hurt.
Quote from: tower912 on December 20, 2019, 10:01:59 PM
Announcers said at the end what I have been saying all along. This is a talented team. Even without the Hausers.
If our studs can start making their damn 2 pt shots we will be really tough to guard.
The potential is there to really get on a roll.
NDSU is a very well-coached team. Take the win, go home for the holidays and come back with a taste for Blue Jay in the new year.
Merry Christmas Scoopers.
Quote from: dgies9156 on December 20, 2019, 10:15:22 PM
NDSU is a very well-coached team. Take the win, gonocoque e for the holidays and come back with a taste for Blue Jay in the new year.
Merry Christmas Scoopers.
Central Arkansas might suck
But we gotta slay them first.
Quote from: tower912 on December 20, 2019, 09:58:11 PM
1. Koby will get better.
2. Sacar is in a nice groove. It appears he will be the second scorer.
3. Bailey and Cain continue to deliver.
4. Theo getting abused on the perimeter is why it is difficult to play two bigs at the same time.
5. 'step on their necks'. Three Markus misses and three defensive breakdowns.
6. Good defense for MU, tough makes by ND. NDSU did a really nice job of spacing the floor and neutralizing the help. And road teams getting soft rims from 3? WTH?
7. Good offense by MU, missed good shots. Really not that many bad shots. Except anything taken by Koby from distance. Odd misses on good looks. Layups, little runners, post ups.
8. Opportunities to blow it open. Not seized
9. NDSU did a lot of good stuff. Kudos.
10. Avoided the upset. Set a record. Festive holidays to all.
I seriously hope by the Creighton game. Maybe what Bardo said, go home, be with family and clear your head Koby.
Last 8 games:
Field goals: 12 for 57 (21%)
Threes: 5 for 34 (14%)
He has not made an outside shot in last two games and only one in last three (three pointer vs KSU). All layups. Thats almost impossible.
Give him credit at the free throw line, he is a machine.
Wojo cut rotation in second half, sat Symir entire, Elliott saw a few and Johnson/Morrow a few. Theo played majority.
Symir continued with no turnovers, so in last four games, 14 assists and zero turnovers.
Good win, solid opponent. Merry Christmas holiday to all.
I thought the Warriors played well most of the game, and their better talent let them pull away at "winning time."
McEwen, Bailey, Sacar and Theo played some nice D.
I have no problem with a 14-point win over a decent opponent.
This i how i thought the team would look. The movement and spacing on offense has been much better.
NDSU is a decent team
Quote from: nyg on December 20, 2019, 10:17:39 PM
Theo played majority.
You could see why. He changed the way NDSU approached the paint. Several times they saw him and stopped short. With the others in, they drove to the bucket. He altered the few shots attempted while he was in the paint.
Quote from: pbiflyer on December 20, 2019, 10:26:47 PM
You could see why. He changed the way NDSU approached the paint. Several times they saw him and stopped short. With the others in, they drove to the bucket. He altered the few shots attempted while he was in the paint.
As good as Theo was at this today, I was very impressed by bailey and his use of his length today. 5 blocks was impressive. Will need all that against the good 4s in the big east.
Good players find ways to positively effect the game even when they are not playing their best. Koby is in a terrible funk shooting the ball, but a line of 12/7/3 while only taking 7 shots, and holding Shahid to 9 points on 12 shots and 2 TOs with 0 assists is a performance I will take more often than not.
First off, very solid title thread Tower.
I agree that this game being so close for so long was more the result of NDST playing well than us playing poorly...but it's still concerning to me. The bison were without two starters tonight, would have felt more comfortable if we dominated them.
Sy got the big hook today. He got caught looking around for his man....as his man was hitting a wide open three. Pretty sure he didn't play after that. Team defense is often a struggle for freshmen, he will get it with time.
If I'm the coaches, I'd whip balls at Theo, Ed, and Jayce until they can catch them cleanly.'
Koby needs a lid lifter so badly...but still cracked double digits.
5 games in a row of double digit scoring for Sacar. He may be our second scorer. If Koby can find himself....plus the occasional big games from Bailey, Cain, and Greg, I think we'll be okay on offense.
Kudos to NDSU. Well coached, good system, lots of solid play.
Sacar was strong.
BB 5 blocks already mentioned but wow.
Koby is this close to having the breakout game he needs. Liked his confidence.
Markus was Markus.
Quote from: TAMU Garcia on December 20, 2019, 11:38:29 PM
First off, very solid title thread Tower.
I am glad somebody got the joke.
NDSU is a very good basketball team. Too often casual fans get caught up in 'name' Power 6 opponents. Their 5 out style was a serious challenge for MU. We played a solid game not turning the ball over very much by our standards and by playing some solid D. This was no cupcake victory. Well done. Merry Christmas fellas.
Plus they had a guy named Rocky. That's always tough to overcome.
Quote from: tower912 on December 21, 2019, 06:12:57 AM
I am glad somebody got the joke.
Took me a bit
I like it
Quote from: jsglow on December 21, 2019, 07:59:38 AM
NDSU is a very good basketball team. Too often casual fans get caught up in 'name' Power 6 opponents. Their 5 out style was a serious challenge for MU. We played a solid game not turning the ball over very much by our standards and by playing some solid D. This was no cupcake victory. Well done. Merry Christmas fellas.
NDSU never looked nervous. Winning a play in game last year, going toe to toe with Duke, and returning almost everyone means they aren't intimidated. They ran their stuff and made some shots. If they get and stay healthy, they should beat up the Horizon league.
Thread title on point.
The Bison were fine but let's not get carried away. They lost by 11 to Indiana State, 7 to Stony Brook, and 6 to Utah Valley and were down 2 players. They're a team that would win maybe 2 games in the BE this year.
I think this game showed us why we need Theo on the floor 30 minutes a game (if fouls allow).
Ed was terrible. Jayce may have even been terrible-er. I was one of the very few here who weren't thrilled or impressed when Jayce signed. He has done nothing to change my mind so far.
Other than those two, MU played very well against a good Mid-Major who played as well as possible. They made a lot of tough shots against good defensive pressure.
The one area, though, on defense that has to get better - as there will be a couple of times this year where it will be needed - is their press. It looks right now as though it is designed only as an "inconvenience" rather than as an effort to create turnovers.
Quote from: Jockey on December 21, 2019, 09:46:25 AM
I think this game showed us why we need Theo on the floor 30 minutes a game (if fouls allow).
Ed was terrible. Jayce may have even been terrible-er. I was one of the very few here who weren't thrilled or impressed when Jayce signed. He has done nothing to change my mind so far.
Other than those two, MU played very well against a good Mid-Major who played as well as possible. They made a lot of tough shots against good defensive pressure.
The one area, though, on defense that has to get better - as there will be a couple of times this year where it will be needed - is their press. It looks right now as though it is designed only as an "inconvenience" rather than as an effort to create turnovers.
NDSU had a center that played on the perimeter and did a lot of picking and popping. This is the complete opposite of who Jayce is. We don't want him out there chasing guys as he just isn't quick enough. Would have loved it if we had dumped the ball into Jayce and Theo a bit more to put pressure on their big guy, but we don't do that often.
Regarding our press, we don't press to create TO's. We press to shorten the clock and force the opponent to not get the best shot they can. Nothing wrong at all with that philosophy.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 21, 2019, 09:41:59 AM
The Bison were fine but let's not get carried away. They lost by 11 to Indiana State, 7 to Stony Brook, and 6 to Utah State and were down 2 players. They're a team that would win maybe 2 games in the BE this year.
Yes, they were still a cupcake, albeit a vegan one. Thankfully the staff had the team pretty well prepared, otherwise it could have been an ugly loss.
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on December 21, 2019, 09:50:02 AM
Regarding our press, we don't press to create TO's. We press to shorten the clock and force the opponent to not get the best shot they can. Nothing wrong at all with that philosophy.
I understand this and realize that is the purpose. And, generally, it is a good strategy. I just would like to occasionally see a press that is designed to create turnovers. There will be a few games this year where we are trailing in the last 5 minutes and will need to get the ball.
*koby isn't playing terribly *
His shooting is bad currently. But every other aspect of his game is good.
Quote from: #UnleashJayce on December 21, 2019, 10:51:16 AM
*koby isn't playing terribly *
His shooting is bad currently. But every other aspect of his game is good.
Agreed, his game is good, not great. But he will need to get better for BE play. Obviously, his shooting needs to get a lot better too.
I like Symir
I like Symir, too, and think he will be very good. Last night, he lost track of his man who hit an open 3. Then, Koby, Sacar, Markus, and Greg were playing well.
There is definitely zero need for a 2 big lineup if Bailey and Cain are both going to keep contributing really well.
I'd actually like us to try and get those guys even more involved offensive. That pull up Bailey hit to start the 2nd half is something he should be able to get multiple times a game.
And for Cain a few catch a shoot opportunities a game and maybe use his athleticism on some back door cuts into the lane.
Zero concerns about Cain and Bailey. They continue to improve and gain confidence. Need Koby to find his jumper. Need the bigs to start getting some put backs and catch the ball when thrown to them. If those things happen, the ceiling for this team is very high.
Quote from: Jockey on December 21, 2019, 09:46:25 AM
I think this game showed us why we need Theo on the floor 30 minutes a game (if fouls allow).
Ed was terrible. Jayce may have even been terrible-er. I was one of the very few here who weren't thrilled or impressed when Jayce signed. He has done nothing to change my mind so far.
Other than those two, MU played very well against a good Mid-Major who played as well as possible. They made a lot of tough shots against good defensive pressure.
The one area, though, on defense that has to get better - as there will be a couple of times this year where it will be needed - is their press. It looks right now as though it is designed only as an "inconvenience" rather than as an effort to create turnovers.
Exactly!! Jayce flat out stinks. Anybody who thinks otherwise isn't watching. There's a reason he got 9 minutes. He's bad at basketball. But we won. So right now I'll just pretend he's good
Jayce is terrible chasing around the perimeter. He is a big body and a space eater. I feel like he is Otule with two eyes. No crime in that. Be big, help on defense, grab some rebounds, get a couple put backs. He is fine for that role.
Quote from: tower912 on December 21, 2019, 12:41:31 PM
Jayce is terrible chasing around the perimeter. He is a big body and a space eater. I feel like he is Otule with two eyes. No crime in that. Be big, help on defense, grab some rebounds, get a couple put backs. He is fine for that role.
Yep. He's an old fashioned low post 5. And, the knee brace does not help trying to move out on the perimeter.
Quote from: tower912 on December 21, 2019, 12:41:31 PM
Jayce is terrible chasing around the perimeter. He is a big body and a space eater. I feel like he is Otule with two eyes. No crime in that. Be big, help on defense, grab some rebounds, get a couple put backs. He is fine for that role.
Every Marquette's favorite Irishman, Chris O'Tule
Marquette does not need a 30 minutes per game and a double double every night from him.
Quote from: Jockey on December 21, 2019, 09:46:25 AM
I think this game showed us why we need Theo on the floor 30 minutes a game (if fouls allow).
Ed was terrible. Jayce may have even been terrible-er. I was one of the very few here who weren't thrilled or impressed when Jayce signed. He has done nothing to change my mind so far.
Other than those two, MU played very well against a good Mid-Major who played as well as possible. They made a lot of tough shots against good defensive pressure.
The one area, though, on defense that has to get better - as there will be a couple of times this year where it will be needed - is their press. It looks right now as though it is designed only as an "inconvenience" rather than as an effort to create turnovers.
Each has had good games and poor games. I agree that Theo is more likely to give us what we need most often on the floor, but both of the others have strengths, too. I like having all those fouls to give, all those bodies to battle with opposing bigs.
And I think one of the consistent strengths Wojo has shown since becoming our coach is a good feel for which center to put in when. So I trust his decision on which 5 should get whatever minutes on a given night.