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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: MuMark on December 17, 2019, 06:10:12 PM
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Love to see this.....
https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/1207086736687300609
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Love to see this.....
https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/1207086736687300609
Tremendous good news for Hutch.
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One of my favorite Marquette players.
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Hutch is Clutch
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The diet version of Markus. The 5’10 undersized scoring who could light it up. His 3 from the corner against Louisville is one of my sharpest Marquette memories as a kid
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#classmate
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High fived Hutch at my sophomore year Winter Flurry. My favorite MU player while I was in school.
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Pretty nifty story. Great Marquette player
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Was my favorite player as a kid. I was 6 years old for that three against Louisville. Still remember it clear as day.
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Great story about a true Warrior. His performances against UL are the stuff of legend.
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Hutch is Clutch
Hutch is clutch.
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High fived Hutch at my sophomore year Winter Flurry. My favorite MU player while I was in school.
More like BLURRY FLURRY, am I right?
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Hutch was my favorite player growing up. Just hit big shot after big shot. Shut down the Fieldhouse with 25. Dagger three at the MECCA in the NIT. That shot against UL. What a player.
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Hutch was my favorite player growing up. Just hit big shot after big shot. Shut down the Fieldhouse with 25. Dagger three at the MECCA in the NIT. That shot against UL. What a player.
Video of said UL shot:
https://twitter.com/muoverload/status/1207022248391053317
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Hutch was clutch!!!
Deane handcuffed him as aFreshman until he let him loose and the rest is history. That and health issues as aSenior or that young man goes from an all time great to a serious discussion of being on MUs Mt. Rushmore and in the rafters. One of the all time great Warriors and one of the most beloved for certain
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Video of said UL shot:
https://twitter.com/muoverload/status/1207022248391053317
Continuing to love MUoverload, TT. Thanks!
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Everybody loves and appreciates Hutch.
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That and health issues as a snior or that young man goes from an all time great to a serious discussion of being on MUs Mt. Rushmore and in the rafters. One of the all time great Warriors and one of the most beloved for certain
I know he had the sickle cell, but didn't he also hurt his ankle as a senior? That team started 10-0 and fell off a cliff, and I seem to remember him being injured.
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I think it was more than just the sickness and injury. There was a growing disconnect. Al McGuire gave Mike some pretty incredible advice for dealing with Hutch.
"You need him a hell of a lot more than he needs you"
Al would be the king in any era.
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That team started 10-0 and fell off a cliff
No pun intended since John Cliff played on the team? 8-)
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I think it was more than just the sickness and injury. There was a growing disconnect. Al McGuire gave Mike some pretty incredible advice for dealing with Hutch.
"You need him a hell of a lot more than he needs you"
Al would be the king in any era.
Hutch took his time coming back from the ankle injury because of that disconnect. Hutch also thought Deane was a racist.
Not that Hutch was innocent in the issues between him and Deane. Academic eligibility was always a worry with Hutch. Managers had to wait outside of classrooms to make sure Hutch was there and Dan Theiss was often responsible for marching Hutch to his classes.
He's had a tough go of it after college. The car accident that ended his draft prospects, his son dying young. I'm glad he finally came back and finished his degree.
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Well said Billy Hoyle....
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Video of said UL shot:
https://twitter.com/muoverload/status/1207022248391053317
Didn’t realize it was Pat Hughes (current radio voice of the Cubs) on the call.
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Didn’t realize it was Pat Hughes (current radio voice of the Cubs) on the call.
Was Hughes still doing work for the Brewers then?
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Was Hughes still doing work for the Brewers then?
A few months after this game, Pat started his first season as a Cubs broadcaster.
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Didn’t realize it was Pat Hughes (current radio voice of the Cubs) on the call.
Yes, we hired Pat to be our play by play when I was in the athletic dept. We had three different play by play announcers in the five+ years I was there.
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Hutch took his time coming back from the ankle injury because of that disconnect. Hutch also thought Deane was a racist.
Not that Hutch was innocent in the issues between him and Deane. Academic eligibility was always a worry with Hutch. Managers had to wait outside of classrooms to make sure Hutch was there and Dan Theiss was often responsible for marching Hutch to his classes.
He's had a tough go of it after college. The car accident that ended his draft prospects, his son dying young. I'm glad he finally came back and finished his degree.
Hutch did some other things, too, that drove Deane and staff crazy. I’ll never forget some of the craziness because we lived it every day in the office. Happy for him that he completed his degree. I understand he and Deane were friendly at the 100th, hopefully the thoughts Hutch had at the time about him were a by product of immaturity and don’t carry through to today.
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Hutch did some other things, too, that drove Deane and staff crazy. I’ll never forget some of the craziness because we lived it every day in the office. Happy for him that he completed his degree. I understand he and Deane were friendly at the 100th, hopefully the thoughts Hutch had at the time about him were a by product of immaturity and don’t carry through to today.
They had shoes to drop too? Shocking!
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Hutch did some other things, too, that drove Deane and staff crazy. I’ll never forget some of the craziness because we lived it every day in the office. Happy for him that he completed his degree. I understand he and Deane were friendly at the 100th, hopefully the thoughts Hutch had at the time about him were a by product of immaturity and don’t carry through to today.
So you are saying the rift was all Hutch's fault? That's a load of BS. Deane was an A-hole to Hutch and many players. I was told he took it to a personal level and crossed a few boundaries.
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So you are saying the rift was all Hutch's fault? That's a load of BS. Deane was an A-hole to Hutch and many players. I was told he took it to a personal level and crossed a few boundaries.
I don't think he was saying that nor was I. Both shared responsibility.
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I don't think he was saying that nor was I. Both shared responsibility.
That's not how I read Cheeks answer. I read it as Hutch was immature, and that was the reason for the riftbut since you and Cheeks are the same person ;D, OK
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They had shoes to drop too? Shocking!
More like disposable socks....not even in the same zip code.
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So you are saying the rift was all Hutch's fault? That's a load of BS. Deane was an A-hole to Hutch and many players. I was told he took it to a personal level and crossed a few boundaries.
Uhm, no...I didn’t say that at all. Please show me where I did.
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That's not how I read Cheeks answer. I read it as Hutch was immature, and that was the reason for the riftbut since you and Cheeks are the same person ;D, OK
We are the same person.
I will say it this way, I thought he was immature at the time...many people that age are. The staff was demanding of certain things and in my opinion he felt he was being ganged up on. Ultimately they wanted what was best for him and the program. Staying eligible was important for them as coaches, also for him as a player. That meant going to class, laying off some stuff, etc.
The staff pushed that on everyone, regardless of seniority, race, ability, position, etc. Do I feel the staff could have approached things different...yes. Plenty of fault on both sides, but sometimes young people don’t get it until a decade or two later?
Have kids? I’m sure you know what I am talking about or maybe if not yours, perhaps you have seen it with other kids. I know from my own experiences as a kid that I went back years later to thank my parents when I was super pissed at them in the moment for forcing me to do certain things or depriving me of stuff that could hurt me.
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Well considering you basically said hopefully maturity by Hutch changed his feelings. To me, that sounds like you are saying Deane did no wrong.
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I know from my own experiences as a kid that I went back years later to thank my parents when I was super kissed at them in the moment for forcing me to do certain things or depriving me of stuff that could hurt me.
This explains some things...
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More like disposable socks....not even in the same zip code.
So, a racist coach who sexually assaulted a female donor in public is just a sock drop? It sounds like the athletics Department had some weak players in place back in the day...now I know why.
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This explains some things...
Autocorrect....lol
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Well considering you basically said hopefully maturity by Hutch changed his feelings. To me, that sounds like you are saying Deane did no wrong.
Hopefully my further explanation did the trick
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So, a racist coach who sexually assaulted a female donor in public is just a sock drop? It sounds like the athletics Department had some weak players in place back in the day...now I know why.
A racist coach? Don’t tell Lens, that will be a crushing blow.
Maybe you should take it up with that coach’s boss at the time since other people there, especially subordinates would have no impact or even be privy to behaviors you allege.
Interesting if your accusations are true that said coach was embraced and invited back for the 100th celebration, while one former coach decided he was too busy.
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So, a racist coach who sexually assaulted a female donor in public is just a sock drop? It sounds like the athletics Department had some weak players in place back in the day...now I know why.
do you have proof that Deane was a racist? He sure seemed to recruit a decent number of African-American kids for a racist.
And tell me about the donor thing. The word back on campus was he had an affair with the wife of a BOT member which was one of the things that led to his dismissal. Who knows if that was true or not...
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A racist coach? Don’t tell Lens, that will be a crushing blow.
Maybe you should take it up with that coach’s boss at the time since other people there, especially subordinates would have no impact or even be privy to behaviors you allege.
Interesting if your accusations are true that said coach was embraced and invited back for the 100th celebration, while one former coach decided he was too busy.
Racist? Never once recruited an Asian, could be.
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do you have proof that Deane was a racist? He sure seemed to recruit a decent number of African-American kids for a racist.
And tell me about the donor thing. The word back on campus was he had an affair with the wife of a BOT member which was one of the things that led to his dismissal. Who knows if that was true or not...
If wife of BOT member regularly hung out at Bob's Barbershop or Hegs...maybe.
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You confuse me, Billy Hoyle. BTW, I never called Deane a racist. I put a question mark at the end of my comment based on YOUR insider comment.
do you have proof that Deane was a racist? He sure seemed to recruit a decent number of African-American kids for a racist.
Hutch took his time coming back from the ankle injury because of that disconnect. Hutch also thought Deane was a racist.
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And tell me about the donor thing. The word back on campus was he had an affair with the wife of a BOT member which was one of the things that led to his dismissal. Who knows if that was true or not...
As has been witnessed and reported here by the Meat Heads, allegedly Deane-O took a bite out of a young, unsuspecting female lawyer alum’s posterior at Turners, among other things. Which is a sexual assault.
Yet, all of this is just a “disposable sock” to those in the AD at the time I hear. Just turn a blind eye when you are employed in the situation but it is a Scoop travesty when others do the same.
#40yearstojudge
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Hopefully my further explanation did the trick
Nope.
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Congratulations, Aaron! A great story.
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Racist? Never once recruited an Asian, could be.
True story.
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As has been witnessed and reported here by the Meat Heads, allegedly Deane-O took a bite out of a young, unsuspecting female lawyer alum’s posterior at Turners, among other things. Which is a sexual assault.
Yet, all of this is just a “disposable sock” to those in the AD at the time I hear. Just turn a blind eye when you are employed in the situation but it is a Scoop travesty when others do the same.
#40yearstojudge
First time I am ever hearing this is right now. So not sure how a blind eye can be turned if said event was never known. If a tree falls in the forest....
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As has been witnessed and reported here by the Meat Heads, allegedly Deane-O took a bite out of a young, unsuspecting female lawyer alum’s posterior at Turners, among other things. Which is a sexual assault.
Don't know about this, but I can confirm that Deane-O made quite a posterior of himself in public while on a road trip to the Big Easy.
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Don't know about this, but I can confirm that Deane-O made quite a posterior of himself in public while on a road trip to the Big Easy.
I assume Budweiser was involved.
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Don't know about this, but I can confirm that Deane-O made quite a posterior of himself in public while on a road trip to the Big Easy.
Was he at least wearing a seatbelt?
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I assume Budweiser was involved.
That was his biggest character flaw. Drinking anything that comes out of STL.
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I assume Budweiser was involved.
A can of ButtWiper....never understood why people drink that swill.
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Great work from Ben on this article.
Love how Wojo pushed him hard to help make happen
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/2019/12/24/ex-marquette-star-aaron-hutchins-earns-degree-after-21-years/2721052001/
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Fantastic story!
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Fantastic story!
This^^^^^^^
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He’s gone through a lot. A few people reached out to me via PM’s the last two weeks to explain some of it once he left...I was in the AD for most of his career, but did not know the scale of his issues after leaving MU...this article does a good job of bringing most to light.
Hutch admits his immaturity in the article, able to laugh it off now...that is a big win for him. He definitely had demons at MU and beyond.
Would be great to see him continue to progress in his career. Glad to see Wojo hard on him to finish his degree. The right kind of culture to push.
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Great story. The 100 Year Anniversary was a turning point for Wojo and #MUBB. This has a Hank Raymonds feel to it.
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This is what Marquette basketball always has been about.
Our guys get degrees.
Give Coach Wojo a lot of credit for this one. He understands Marquette Basketball is about people. Our legacy is about winning, of course, but it's also about people who make a difference in the world.
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Great work from Ben on this article.
Love how Wojo pushed him hard to help make happen
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/2019/12/24/ex-marquette-star-aaron-hutchins-earns-degree-after-21-years/2721052001/
Incredible story of persistence. Overlapped with Aaron while he was at MU, shared a few mutual friends. He was always a friendly guy, never walked around with the ego that many in his position (BMOC), would.
Time to retire #12 for his basketball accomplishments and how he's persevered through a life of many difficult moments.
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Incredible story of persistence. Overlapped with Aaron while he was at MU, shared a few mutual friends. He was always a friendly guy, never walked around with the ego that many in his position (BMOC), would.
Time to retire #12 for his basketball accomplishments and how he's persevered through a life of many difficult moments.
Hutchins was a great player, but I don’t think he should have his number retired. That said, I’d be all for a pregame ceremony with lights dimmed and a highlight reel played where he’s honored at half court and comes out to a standing ovation. Could be a cool thing to do at National Marquette Day or before the Seton Hall game to get people amped.
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Hutchins was a great player, but I don’t think he should have his number retired. That said, I’d be all for a pregame ceremony with lights dimmed and a highlight reel played where he’s honored at half court and comes out to a standing ovation. Could be a cool thing to do at National Marquette Day or before the Seton Hall game to get people amped.
That's a great idea...message the Athletic Department!
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Incredible story of persistence. Overlapped with Aaron while he was at MU, shared a few mutual friends. He was always a friendly guy, never walked around with the ego that many in his position (BMOC), would.
Time to retire #12 for his basketball accomplishments and how he's persevered through a life of many difficult moments.
No
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Hutchins was a great player, but I don’t think he should have his number retired. That said, I’d be all for a pregame ceremony with lights dimmed and a highlight reel played where he’s honored at half court and comes out to a standing ovation. Could be a cool thing to do at National Marquette Day or before the Seton Hall game to get people amped.
Agree.
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That's a great idea...message the Athletic Department!
+1
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Incredible story of persistence. Overlapped with Aaron while he was at MU, shared a few mutual friends. He was always a friendly guy, never walked around with the ego that many in his position (BMOC), would.
Time to retire #12 for his basketball accomplishments and how he's persevered through a life of many difficult moments.
The only numbers that haven’t been but probably should be retired are #34 for Travis and #10 for Tony Miller. Hutch was an awesome player (his NIT performance and the team’s accomplishments that March kept me at MU after I’d decided to transfer) but he’s not at the level of number retirement.
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Nope.
Hopefully you read Ben Steele’s article from a few days ago where Aaron said he was immature, etc...then maybe that will do the trick.
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No
Appreciate your Billy Hoyle response about Travis and Tony. Both were great Warriors. But to discount Hutch, like this as in "no," pretty crapty.
Silent Verbal had a great idea. Perhaps retiring his number was a reach. However, Hutch would be an exception where you look at the body of on court work, and off court and possibly make an exception. What Hutch has had to endure in his life is brutal..and the fact he's weathered all of that and come out the other side is a great achievement in and of itself.
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Appreciate your Billy Hoyle response about Travis and Tony. Both were great Warriors. But to discount Hutch, like this as in "no," pretty crapty.
Silent Verbal had a great idea. Perhaps retiring his number was a reach. However, Hutch would be an exception where you look at the body of on court work, and off court and possibly make an exception. What Hutch has had to endure in his life is brutal..and the fact he's weathered all of that and come out the other side is a great achievement in and of itself.
Are you claiming I am Billy Hoyle? LOL
I’m fine with Verbal’s idea...and yes, retiring the number is a massive reach much like Wojo should have ballpark record / program Hank Raymond’s was a massive reach.
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Appreciate your Billy Hoyle response about Travis and Tony. Both were great Warriors. But to discount Hutch, like this as in "no," pretty crapty.
Silent Verbal had a great idea. Perhaps retiring his number was a reach. However, Hutch would be an exception where you look at the body of on court work, and off court and possibly make an exception. What Hutch has had to endure in his life is brutal..and the fact he's weathered all of that and come out the other side is a great achievement in and of itself.
Sorry, but Cheeks and I are two different people. And I also don’t recall Travis playing for Golden State.
Nobody is discounting Hutch’s career. I was lucky with him being in my class (entering, not actual classes, he didn’t go) and seeing him all four years but you don’t retire a number because someone overcame hardships, many self-inflicted, to graduate 21 years after he should have. And his antics senior year cost the team a possible NCAA tourney appearance.
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No disrespect to Diener or Miller but if another jersey is retired it should be Jim Chones. It is a travesty that it has not been retired already.
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No disrespect to Diener or Miller but if another jersey is retired it should be Jim Chones. It is a travesty that it has not been retired already.
This.
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No disrespect to Diener or Miller but if another jersey is retired it should be Jim Chones. It is a travesty that it has not been retired already.
One loss in his MU career. Crazy.
Of interest in this article is the quote from Al who was shopping him that summer, although it was against NCAA rules.
https://journaltimes.com/news/local/leaving---warriors-got-his-mom-a-house/article_aa0f3f94-f232-5bd5-91cb-e55fff7114eb.html
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No disrespect to Diener or Miller but if another jersey is retired it should be Jim Chones. It is a travesty that it has not been retired already.
Oh great another thread about this.