Any word on whether there will be any recruits at Madness? (apologies if this is covered in the recruiting thread)
I heard from SaveOD that Tyrese Hunter is going to be there.
Mark Miller confirms
https://twitter.com/wisbbyearbook/status/1178867954982834178?s=21
https://twitter.com/evan_flood/status/1178862857770979328?s=21
https://twitter.com/wisbbyearbook/status/1178871465732648960?s=21
We need to let these non athletic types go to the Badgers. Very disappointing . We were making good progress moving away from slow guys who can't jump.
Confused on how nelson is one of the better 22' prospects in the state, can easily name a dozen of kids better
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on September 30, 2019, 11:02:18 PM
Confused on how nelson is one of the better 22' prospects in the state, can easily name a dozen of kids better
I do not even know who he is. However, assuming he is the 13th best player that would make him better than 500(?) other 2022 players in Wisconsin so the statement would be correct.
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 30, 2019, 10:41:21 PM
We need to let this non athletic types go to the Badgers. Very disappointing . We were making good progress moving away from slow guys who can't jump.
Don't want any white players hey Herman......we get it.
https://twitter.com/Evan_Flood/status/1178862857770979328?s=20
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 30, 2019, 10:41:21 PM
We need to let this non athletic types go to the Badgers. Very disappointing . We were making good progress moving away from slow guys who can't jump.
Full agreement with Cain the get beat on defense and no easy transition buckets Hauser ball needs to be chalked up as a recruiting mistake and learned from. This aint the big ten, there is not going to be anyone for them to guard. Im fine with bringing these kids in for Madness and if one of them blows up fine, you recruit him hard but only if he has the athleticism to play in the BE
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on September 30, 2019, 11:02:18 PM
Confused on how nelson is one of the better 22' prospects in the state, can easily name a dozen of kids better
Casting a wide net at the sophomore level, especially when they are in-state kids who can just drive here, is hardly a problem.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on October 01, 2019, 06:00:04 AM
Full agreement with Cain the get beat on defense and no easy transition buckets Hauser ball needs to be chalked up as a recruiting mistake and learned from. This aint the big ten, there is not going to be anyone for them to guard. Im fine with bringing these kids in for Madness and if one of them blows up fine, you recruit him hard but only if he has the athleticism to play in the BE
Silly. Sam and Joey competed in the Big East just fine.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 01, 2019, 07:57:29 AM
Casting a wide net at the sophomore level, especially when they are in-state kids who can just drive here, is hardly a problem.
Exactly. People are reading way too much into Madness.
Why in the world would we want guys like Ty Jerome, Kyle Guy, Kihei Clark, and Jack Salt?
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 01, 2019, 07:57:29 AM
Casting a wide net at the sophomore level, especially when they are in-state kids who can just drive here, is hardly a problem.
This. There is no downside to having the kids there.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 01, 2019, 08:45:50 AM
Why in the world would we want guys like Ty Jerome, Kyle Guy, Kihei Clark, and Jack Salt?
Or how about Frank Kaminsky, Sam Decker, Bronson Koenig, and Tyler Herro. Or how about Sam Hauser.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 01, 2019, 08:45:50 AM
Why in the world would we want guys like Ty Jerome, Kyle Guy, Kihei Clark, and Jack Salt?
or Travis Diener, Steve Novak, Gordon Hayward, Larry Bird or Donte DiVincenzo?
Assuming a kid is not athletic or can't play at this level because of his skin color is pathetic.
Then again we've recruited some athletic guys who couldn't carry Travis's jock.....
ps and yes we invite all kinds of kids to madness every season....most don't get offered.
Mark Miller
@WisBBYearbook
2022 G/F Jeffrey Brazziel (6-5) of Milwaukee Madison plans to attend Marquette's Midnight Madness on Friday.
Mark Miller
@WisBBYearbook
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Additional 2022 prospects from Wisconsin attending Marquette's Midnight Madness on Friday include Leon Bond of Wauwatosa East, Jack Rose of Westosha Central, Seth Trimble and Steven Clay of Menomonee Falls, Andrew Alia of Kenosha St. Joseph, and Danilo Jovanovich of Whitnall.
PUNY LIST> Boy did we sink.
Where are the 2020 recruits?
Are they getting a meet and greet with T-Pain?
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/3o7btR7AIrwtkHOacg/giphy.gif)
Quote from: MuMark on October 01, 2019, 11:24:26 AM
Mark Miller
@WisBBYearbook
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Additional 2022 prospects from Wisconsin attending Marquette's Midnight Madness on Friday include Leon Bond of Wauwatosa East, Jack Rose of Westosha Central, Seth Trimble and Steven Clay of Menomonee Falls, Andrew Alia of Kenosha St. Joseph, and Danilo Jovanovich of Whitnall.
JP Tokoto's little brother
Quote from: MuMark on October 01, 2019, 10:27:47 AM
or Travis Diener, Steve Novak, Gordon Hayward, Larry Bird or Donte DiVincenzo?
Assuming a kid is not athletic or can't play at this level because of his skin color is pathetic.
Then again we've recruited some athletic guys who couldn't carry Travis's jock.....
ps and yes we invite all kinds of kids to madness every season....most don't get offered.
(http://66.media.tumblr.com/33f6c13b4e73915ae99f76ad7df05e40/tumblr_o70addljiC1r2lmkgo1_500.gif)
https://twitter.com/wisbbyearbook/status/1179085940280700932?s=21
Do these guys all have their MU student IDs ready to pick up their tickets for the event?
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 01, 2019, 07:58:01 AM
Silly. Sam and Joey competed in the Big East just fine.
On the defensive and athleticism end? What games were u watching
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on October 01, 2019, 09:07:04 PM
On the defensive and athleticism end? What games were u watching
You said we need to chalk up "Hauser ball" as a recruiting mistake. That's silly. Especially considering they transferred to two of last years final four teams.
Quote from: MuMark on October 01, 2019, 12:49:02 PM
https://twitter.com/wisbbyearbook/status/1179085940280700932?s=21
I don't care if he can play or not. Anyone named Foster Wonders gets a scholarship in my book.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 01, 2019, 09:24:19 PM
You said we need to chalk up "Hauser ball" as a recruiting mistake. That's silly. Especially considering they transferred to two of last years final four teams.
Its unfortunate ur intelligence only allowed u to grasp onto two words of my entire post. My condolences.
Quote from: thebigjake on October 01, 2019, 10:24:32 PM
I don't care if he can play or not. Anyone named Foster Wonders gets a scholarship in my book.
And when he makes his decision, the "Foster Knows" headline is ready to go.
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 02, 2019, 05:06:03 AM
And when he makes his decision, the "Foster Knows" headline is ready to go.
Bravo
An unranked recruit will hardly foster wonders for the Marquette program.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on October 01, 2019, 11:02:41 PM
Its unfortunate ur intelligence only allowed u to grasp onto two words of my entire post. My condolences.
Nice backtrack. I re-read what you wrote, and even though it looked like it was written by a third grader, I understood it completely.
Funny that our coaches, commentators and most of the board felt that our lack of athleticism n transition were our biggest weknesses last year. Time to take tge Hauser boy's bobble heads out from under ur pillow.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 01, 2019, 09:24:19 PM
You said we need to chalk up "Hauser ball" as a recruiting mistake. That's silly. Especially considering they transferred to two of last years final four teams.
The Hauser are solid to very good players. Sam is a big loss. Joey will be a big loss over time and should be a very good player. However, they are not great at most things, a step slow, which is n a strange way a bonus because that makes them four year college players (or 5 for Sam now and maybe 5 for Joey).
The issue with the Hauser is not that they weren't good, it is just that having both on the floor at the same time was a bit of a problem. Both are a step slow on D. One slower guy on D can be covered over a lot of the time, but not two. (this is also part of why I doubt we see 2 bigs playing at the same time this year, especially if none of them can shoot the 3 ball).
I am ignoring the roll that Joey played in the teams meltdown and ignoring how Joey played down the stretch and his avoiding passing to Howard, fumbling the ball away or traveling, etc. That is all very unfortunate, and hopefully a learning experience for Joey on how to better handle things and himself when he feels wronged. Ignoring this stuff, we are a better team with them on it than without. Or at least with one of them on it preferably Sam. Both playing together put us behind on D on rotation. But Joey as a center, on the right team, is the spot for him.
I have theorized in the past and it still rolls around in the back of my mind that, assuming status quo, i.e. none of the rumored transfers if the Hausers stayed, Joey was not guaranteed a starting job this year. And he would be competing with Sam for minutes at the 4 and some occasional time at the 5. Koby was going to start. Markus was going to start. Theo was going to start (maybe Jayce now, but I don't think Jayce comes if the Hausers stayed). Which leaves Sacar, Sam and Joey competing for starting jobs at the forward positions. Sacar's defense gives him the nod over Joey. Sam back to being a stretch 4. And with the way Bailey came on at the end of the year, particularly at the defensive end, that would be more competition for minutes.
Don't forget, early last season Bailey was starting and Joey was coming off the bench. IMO, that was for defensive reasons, but Joey started hitting shots and Brendan went ice cold. Alas. If they had stayed, MU would still be in the top 10 in a lot of preseason forecasts.
Onward to the next recruiting class.
Quote from: tower912 on October 02, 2019, 09:55:41 AM
I have theorized in the past and it still rolls around in the back of my mind that, assuming status quo, i.e. none of the rumored transfers if the Hausers stayed, Joey was not guaranteed a starting job this year. And he would be competing with Sam for minutes at the 4 and some occasional time at the 5. Koby was going to start. Markus was going to start. Theo was going to start (maybe Jayce now, but I don't think Jayce comes if the Hausers stayed). Which leaves Sacar, Sam and Joey competing for starting jobs at the forward positions. Sacar's defense gives him the nod over Joey. Sam back to being a stretch 4. And with the way Bailey came on at the end of the year, particularly at the defensive end, that would be more competition for minutes.
Don't forget, early last season Bailey was starting and Joey was coming off the bench. IMO, that was for defensive reasons, but Joey started hitting shots and Brendan went ice cold. Alas. If they had stayed, MU would still be in the top 10 in a lot of preseason forecasts.
Onward to the next recruiting class.
I think we heard rumblings that Greg was going to start at guard as well.
Quote from: tower912 on October 02, 2019, 09:55:41 AM
I have theorized in the past and it still rolls around in the back of my mind that, assuming status quo, i.e. none of the rumored transfers if the Hausers stayed, Joey was not guaranteed a starting job this year. And he would be competing with Sam for minutes at the 4 and some occasional time at the 5. Koby was going to start. Markus was going to start. Theo was going to start (maybe Jayce now, but I don't think Jayce comes if the Hausers stayed). Which leaves Sacar, Sam and Joey competing for starting jobs at the forward positions. Sacar's defense gives him the nod over Joey. Sam back to being a stretch 4. And with the way Bailey came on at the end of the year, particularly at the defensive end, that would be more competition for minutes.
Don't forget, early last season Bailey was starting and Joey was coming off the bench. IMO, that was for defensive reasons, but Joey started hitting shots and Brendan went ice cold. Alas. If they had stayed, MU would still be in the top 10 in a lot of preseason forecasts.
Onward to the next recruiting class.
Did Joey even deserve to be starting during BE play last year?!?! And he got worse as the year went on, was thourougly out played by Ed, bailey, and jamal. Got more minutes than he deserved. I realize he was only a freshman but in the heart of a battle that doesnt matter, results do and down the stretch he got the benefit of the doubt far far too often. I think Wojo coddled him. He was only a frshman and clearly will be better in years 2-3-4..., but his lack of athleticism coupled with Sams dictated he receive fewer minutes last year and this year had he stayed.
You are correct, hard to hide both Hausers when they are trying to guard switchables with far more athleticisn than themselves, constant scramble n help. Look forward to watching guys this year with the ability to actually keep someone in front of them. Its been awhile.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on October 02, 2019, 10:34:19 AM
Did Joey even deserve to be starting during BE play last year?!?! And he got worse as the year went on, was thourougly out played by Ed, bailey, and jamal.
Joey deserved to start but hit the wall in late January. At that time his minutes decreased and Bailey's increased mostly due to what he brought on the defensive end. However it's not like Brendan was setting the word on fire offensively by any stretch. His season EFG was .416 and hit double digit scoring for a grand total of one game during conference play.
And Jamal? No way. He was pretty bad on both ends of the floor all year.
Now could Ed and Theo have played together more? (Did they ever?) Maybe.
nm
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 02, 2019, 10:43:44 AM
Joey deserved to start but hit the wall in late January. At that time his minutes decreased and Bailey's increased mostly due to what he brought on the defensive end. However it's not like Brendan was setting the word on fire offensively by any stretch. His season EFG was .416 and hit double digit scoring for a grand total of one game during conference play.
And Jamal? No way. He was pretty bad on both ends of the floor all year.
Now could Ed and Theo have played together more? (Did they ever?) Maybe.
So ur now using brendans offense to excuse the fact that joey and his brother played bad defense. And when things went sour for joey his offense sucked too when turnovers are factored in.
Bottom line during the 3 years that the Hausers were on the team MU had two horribly horribly atrocious defenses and one season of ok at best defense. Deny it all u want. Other coaches were not interested in taking them both for a reason. Hopefully Wojo has learned his lesson of trying to defend with unathletic players
The worst individual defender in the Wojo era was Rowsey. Once Rowsey left, the defense improved dramatically. Use this information however you want.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on October 02, 2019, 12:16:54 PM
Bottom line during the 3 years that the Hausers were on the team MU had two horribly horribly atrocious defenses and one season of ok at best defense. Deny it all u want. Other coaches were not interested in taking them both for a reason. Hopefully Wojo has learned his lesson of trying to defend with unathletic players
The "Hausers" weren't on the team for 3 years. They were on for one. The one when the defense was much improved from previous Wojo coached teams.
Playing Rowsey and Howard next to each other was far worse defensively than playing Sam and Joey next to each other.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 02, 2019, 12:27:58 PM
The "Hausers" weren't on the team for 3 years. They were on for one. The one when the defense was much improved from previous Wojo coached teams.
Mere coincidence?
Yes.
Quote from: tower912 on October 02, 2019, 12:32:31 PM
Playing Rowsey and Howard next to each other was far worse defensively than playing Sam and Joey next to each other.
U guys keep wanting to shift the playing field. The discussion was not weher the team was worse defensively with rowsey and howard or hauser n hauser. The issue is we had prolly a combination of the two least athletic defenders in the BE on the court when brothers Hauser were out there together. Were we better than the year before sure. But we still had two turnstiles out there at the same time, one can be protected. Two cannot be. Last 6 weeks of the season we could not stop anyone.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on October 02, 2019, 06:03:17 PM
U guys keep wanting to shift the playing field. The discussion was not weher the team was worse defensively with rowsey and howard or hauser n hauser. The issue is we had prolly a combination of the two least athletic defenders in the BE on the court when brothers Hauser were out there together. Were we better than the year before sure. But we still had two turnstiles out there at the same time, one can be protected. Two cannot be. Last 6 weeks of the season we could not stop anyone.
This is overstating things. Joey was a turnstile. Sam understood how to play in the system. It's why he was one of our best defenders as a freshman. He understood the system and what we wanted to do. He was a good team defender. No, he was never going to shut down a Shamorie Ponds one-on-one, but he defended well in the team concept and knew how to push his man to the help defender when he couldn't do it on his own.
We will be better defensively, but primarily because Joey's not on the floor. Sam was a big positive on the offensive end and a net neutral on the defensive end. Had he alone come back, we would be much better, and I firmly believe losing him for 1 year is a bigger deal than losing Joey for 3.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 02, 2019, 12:27:58 PM
The "Hausers" weren't on the team for 3 years. They were on for one. The one when the defense was much improved from previous Wojo coached teams.
I attribute the improve defense mostly to John and Morrow. The opponents were no longer able to just drive it to the basket.
Sam was not a turnstile.........he made up for his lack of superior quickness with high basketball IQ to be at worst a decent defender.
Rowsey and Markus and a lack of size throughout the roster were much bigger factors in the struggles defensively in the 2 years before last.
Sam had trouble with players like Paschal and Martin(Butler) but so did lots of guys.
Joey struggled imo......but he was a frosh......won't surprise me if he improves as he gets older.....like most guys do.
Joey will do fine in the BiG Ten there will almost always be a big slow kid he can guard on the other team. Additionally he will have all american size and athleticism to help cover his deficiencies. As i stated originally significantly easier to guard big ten guys than BE
https://twitter.com/wisbbyearbook/status/1179574092216913920?s=21
A number of high academic schools are very interested in 2020 F Aiden Flynn (6-5) of Milwaukee Marquette. Macalester, St. Thomas, University of Chicago, Case Western, Wash U all involved with Flynn, a 4.0 student with 35 ACT.
Quote from: Newsdreams on October 02, 2019, 08:58:24 PM
https://twitter.com/wisbbyearbook/status/1179574092216913920?s=21
A number of high academic schools are very interested in 2020 F Aiden Flynn (6-5) of Milwaukee Marquette. Macalester, St. Thomas, University of Chicago, Case Western, Wash U all involved with Flynn, a 4.0 student with 35 ACT.
Sounds like a bright well rounded kid but he's mentioned here, why?
Anybody who thinks Sam was a bad defensive player has no clue about basketball.
Nobody is claiming he was a lockdown m-t-m defender, because he wasn't, but he was an adequate m-t-m defender against most of the opponents he was asked to check, and he was a well above-average help defender. Solid rebounder, too. And obviously, he was a brilliant shooter, though he did tail off at the end of last season, as unfortunately many Warriors did.
I enjoyed watching him play, and I wish he didn't feel he had to transfer; he'd have made us a better team, just as he will be good for Virginia.
Joey was only around for one season and he was pretty bad the second half of it. Mostly a disaster on D, especially anywhere near the perimeter. But he has the potential to be a fine offensive player, and it's easy to see why Izzo wanted him.
And yes, I apologize for contributing to yet another Hauser discussion in a thread that was supposed to have nothing to do with them.
Quote from: JWags85 on October 02, 2019, 09:58:03 PM
Sounds like a bright well rounded kid but he's mentioned here, why?
Belongs in the Big East recruiting thread because St Thomas is looking at him.
Quote from: Newsdreams on October 02, 2019, 08:58:24 PM
https://twitter.com/wisbbyearbook/status/1179574092216913920?s=21
A number of high academic schools are very interested in 2020 F Aiden Flynn (6-5) of Milwaukee Marquette. Macalester, St. Thomas, University of Chicago, Case Western, Wash U all involved with Flynn, a 4.0 student with 35 ACT.
Coached the young man in youth baseball- nice, steady kid.
Dad was a big (looming) presence on the field in his life, even at a young age....
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 02, 2019, 10:57:42 PM
Belongs in the Big East recruiting thread because St Thomas is looking at him.
I laughed.
Evan Daniels
@EvanDaniels
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Big recruiting weekend for Marquette. They'll host these prospects for Marquette Madness: •Micawber Etienne •Osa Ighodaro •DaRon Holmes •Treyton Thompson •Jeremy Sochan •Tyrese Hunter •Jeff Brazziel
Nice list
Some on officials
https://twitter.com/jsteppe1/status/1180171051386454016?s=21
Micawber Etienne and DaRon Holmes will be on official visits during #MarquetteMadness, per a source. Osa Ighodaro, Treyton Thompson, Jeremy Sochan, Tyrese Hunter and Jeff Brazziel will be on unofficial visits. #mubb
Wow—I don't recall any prior recruits coming to madness on an official.
Sounds good to me.
Very nice to get some 4 star out of state kids to take junior year officials at Madness.
Sochan is from England I believe.
Quote from: MuMark on October 04, 2019, 12:53:48 PM
Very nice to get some 4 star out of state kids to take junior year officials at Madness.
Sochan is from England I believe.
Did a search and found Sochan is from England but attends La Lumiere Prep. Treyton Thompson also attends LP.
Edit: Ben Steele reports Sochan is from Poland, then played at a school in England before landing at La Lumiere.
Holmes is from AZ and was AAU an teammate with Oso.
Braylen Blue
@BraylenBlue
2h
Look forward to checking out the @MarquetteMBB open practice tomorrow!
Quote from: muguru on October 04, 2019, 01:48:29 PM
Braylen Blue
@BraylenBlue
2h
Look forward to checking out the @MarquetteMBB open practice tomorrow!
Hope no one calls him orange
Quote from: Lazar's Headband on October 04, 2019, 01:17:56 PM
Did a search and found Sochan is from England but attends La Lumiere Prep. Treyton Thompson also attends LP.
Edit: Ben Steele reports Sochan is from Poland, then played at a school in England before landing at La Lumiere.
One site in England said Sochan's mother is a Poland native and they live in Southampton, England. Born in the U.S., so has dual citizenship in U.S. and Poland.
Related to vander or sacre?
Quote from: TedBaxter on October 04, 2019, 02:42:51 PM
One site in England said Sochan's mother is a Poland native and they live in Southampton, England. Born in the U.S., so has dual citizenship in U.S. and Poland.
Thanks.
Quote from: TedBaxter on October 04, 2019, 02:42:51 PM
One site in England said Sochan's mother is a Poland native and they live in Southampton, England. Born in the U.S., so has dual citizenship in U.S. and Poland.
Wojo has this one in the bag then.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on October 04, 2019, 02:43:58 PM
Related to vander or sacre?
Braylen's father Seneca runs a basketball training place in Madison. If I recall correctly, he worked out a bunch of Marquette guys when Vander was playing. I think Vander and Seneca are cousins???
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 04, 2019, 03:03:26 PM
Braylen's father Seneca runs a basketball training place in Madison. If I recall correctly, he worked out a bunch of Marquette guys when Vander was playing. I think Vander and Seneca are cousins???
So he is going get in a screaming match with Wojo in the locker room and leave for NBA after his junior year
Looks like Wes is one of the judges for the dunk contest.
Quote from: Newsdreams on October 04, 2019, 12:45:08 PM
Some on officials
https://twitter.com/jsteppe1/status/1180171051386454016?s=21
Micawber Etienne and DaRon Holmes will be on official visits during #MarquetteMadness, per a source. Osa Ighodaro, Treyton Thompson, Jeremy Sochan, Tyrese Hunter and Jeff Brazziel will be on unofficial visits. #mubb
Eitienne, Holmes, Thompson and Sochan. That's four out of state top 100 type players. Not to mention Hunter from Racine who is also a top 100. Not a bad crop for madness.
None of these recruits were told about Hausergate, huh?
Quote from: jesmu84 on October 04, 2019, 09:53:17 PM
None of these recruits were told about Hausergate, huh?
Kids these days don't read letters. Text or nothing
Good gravy, Jamal :o
https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/1180318396115804160?s=21
Quote from: jesmu84 on October 04, 2019, 09:53:17 PM
None of these recruits were told about Hausergate, huh?
Shhhhhh!!!!