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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Pakuni on July 03, 2019, 08:27:03 AM
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Ben Steele @BenSteeleMJS
Marquette assistant Brett Nelson will be named head coach at Holy Cross, according to a source. Very well-respected in basketball circles, Nelson has been with #mubb since Steve Wojciechowski's first season in 2014-15. He was promoted to associate head coach in 2017.
Well, at least Mark Phelps is available.
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Ben Steele @BenSteeleMJS
Marquette assistant Brett Nelson will be named head coach at Holy Cross, according to a source. Very well-respected in basketball circles, Nelson has been with #mubb since Steve Wojciechowski's first season in 2014-15. He was promoted to associate head coach in 2017.
Well, at least Mark Phelps is available.
Best of luck to Brett. Great spot to begin his head coaching career!
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It will be interesting to see if Diener gets the job. I have a feeling he wants to play one more year but he could come back for this now.
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Didn’t even realize there were openings out there. Good for Brett but really late in the game.
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It will be interesting to see if Diener gets the job. I have a feeling he wants to play one more year but he could come back for this now.
Was he good? Did he leave on good terms?
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Good luck to Brett.
Now we'll need another shooter for the noontime coaches' games.
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Didn’t even realize there were openings out there. Good for Brett but really late in the game.
HC's previous coach, Bill Carmody, retired about two weeks ago, in part because his wife is battling cancer.
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Woah, late hire indeed. Best of luck to Brett!
Presutti to Assistant with Madhavapallil taking over DOB & giving Cam more responsibility wouldn’t be the worst if they elect to go in-house this late. But I’m guessing Wojo has a short list ready to roll.
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Wow - great news for Brett and his family. I could be wrong, but was Brett not a final candidate for Drake's position last spring?
The reason HC was open was because Bill Carmody had a late "resignation" this Spring. It actually was only open for a few weeks.
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Wojo needs to hire a top assistant with strong connections to some good recruits. Im sure Nelson was a fine asst. but his list of recruits was not very impressive. Stan hasnt done much lately either. Duane has been Killings it.
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Wojo needs to hire a top assistant with strong connections to some good recruits. Im sure Nelson was a fine asst. but his list of recruits was not very impressive. Stan hasnt done much lately either. Duane has been Killings it.
Hire Dave Hauser
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Hire Dave Hauser
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Everyone else does this...now would be a perfect time to hire a brother or a father, uncle, family member of a top recruit. :)
Or...the perfect time to bring in a veteran X's and O's guy
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Wojo needs to hire a top assistant with strong connections to some good recruits. Im sure Nelson was a fine asst. but his list of recruits was not very impressive. Stan hasnt done much lately either. Duane has been Killings it.
Jayce Johnson...Kobe McEwen...Greg Elliot...Jamal Cain
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D Wade!
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Hire an X’s and O’s guy
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Hire Dave Hauser
Love it! You get an A+.
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Jayce Johnson...Kobe McEwen...Greg Elliot...Jamal Cain
Not to mention Stan has been lead on all the guys from Minnesota as well.
Good news for Brett, but that will be a big loss. He was the guy who worked with the shooters and I believe he's been a big part of why our three-point shooting has been so good. With Stan and Dwayne in the fold, I'm less worried about a recruiting ace and more hopeful we get someone who works well with X's and O's. Too bad Yaklich isn't still out there. Will be interesting to see who Wojo gets. Diener is a good shout and I could see it. I know he's still been involved with the program, though obviously on the periphery with his playing career front and center.
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I don't particularly like the idea of hiring from in house. Jon Harris could be a good option, though I don't know much about his history as a recruiter.
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Love it! You get an A+.
It is simple, a father of a high school All-American, sort of like Pat Baldwin, they could pay him more than UWM
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If you want a shooting coach, then Steve Novak
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It is simple, a father of a high school All-American, sort of like Pat Baldwin, they could pay him more than UWM
Baldwin earns $350K and has a $700K buyout.
So, I guess the question is, is it worth it for MU to pay $1.1 million-ish this year and about $400K a year going forward for a one-and-done? That's way above adidas' rate.
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Baldwin earns $350K and has a $700K buyout.
So, I guess the question is, is it worth it for MU to pay $1.1 million-ish this year and about $400K a year going forward for a one-and-done? That's way above adidas' rate.
Ok, so that seems to rich for me, so another HS All-American father is fine. Happens all the time.
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Congrats to Brett and his Family. Going to a solid institution with a good opportunity. Holy Cross has some very nice facilities on their campus. I think Brett will have the team in the top tier of the Patriot League in due course.
Wojo now has a head coaching tree.
As for a replacement, I would imagine that this good news will help attract a high quality up and coming young assistant. Someone young and ambitious.
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Big loss for us but great opportunity for Brett, best of luck to him at holy cross
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Baldwin earns $350K and has a $700K buyout.
So, I guess the question is, is it worth it for MU to pay $1.1 million-ish this year and about $400K a year going forward for a one-and-done? That's way above adidas' rate.
Yes.
He's already a D1 head coach, so it's not like he's some completely useless mind in terms of basketball. He just happens to have a future NBA player as a son.
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Timing is not great and it hurts MU a little. However, cannot pass on this kind of opportunity. Congratulations and good luck, Brett.
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Yes.
He's already a D1 head coach, so it's not like he's some completely useless mind in terms of basketball. He just happens to have a future NBA player as a son.
This should be the first call. Baldwin is a legit coach, so it's not like wasting a spot on someone you'll release after their kid leaves. And landing the potential #1 recruit in 2021 & #1 NBA pick in 2022 would be worth far more than the $1.2M it would probably cost to get him here.
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Yes.
He's already a D1 head coach, so it's not like he's some completely useless mind in terms of basketball. He just happens to have a future NBA player as a son.
Unless Baldwin feels he is about to be fired, why would an active D1 coach voluntarily leave his position to become an assistant under Wojo?
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Unless Baldwin feels he is about to be fired, why would an active D1 coach voluntarily leave his position to become an assistant under Wojo?
It does happen. Buzz left being a head coach to be an assistant. The head coach of north Dakota left to be an assistant at Illinois state this summer iirc.
That being said, I don't think there's any evidence to suggest that either party is interested here
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Hire Dave Hauser
;D
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Unless Baldwin feels he is about to be fired, why would an active D1 coach voluntarily leave his position to become an assistant under Wojo?
Let's say he's making $350,000 per year. Marquette offers him $500,000 per year to be an assistant. That would certainly be high, but I believe around what they were paying Isaac Chew when they added him. So you are offering him more than a 40% pay raise for less responsibility and working at a more prestigious basketball program than he's ever worked at before (sorry, Northwestern).
He's a legit assistant, so as long as Marquette doesn't tank under Wojo, he would be able to seek out a new HC job in 3 years while commanding a higher salary when he does. In addition, it's job security. He likely can't afford too many more 9-22 seasons at UW-Milwaukee and after losing 2 senior starters this year and having 4 set to graduate next year, a soft landing might be appealing. And if everything worked out really well, he'd be in prime position to interview for Marquette if Wojo left in the next few years.
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Nah man, dat ain't happen'ng. Da dude's a D-1 head coach. He's knot sittin' next ta Woj ta bee his lackey, hey?
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Nah man, dat ain't happen'ng. Da dude's a D-1 head coach. He's knot sittin' next ta Woj ta bee his lackey, hey?
Just like Buzz, a D1 head coach, would never sit next to Crean to be his lackey?
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I'd see if John Scheyer is gettable. He'd be closer to home as well.
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Ummm...Rob Judson
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It does happen. Buzz left being a head coach to be an assistant. The head coach of north Dakota left to be an assistant at Illinois state this summer iirc.
That being said, I don't think there's any evidence to suggest that either party is interested here
The Northern Arizona coach, Jack Murphy, resigned this summer to take a job as Associate Head Coach at Arizona. MU connection there is that he is now coaching alongside Justin Gainey, and replaced Mark Phelps.
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Ummm...Rob Judson
LOL No...no offense Doc, but I'd like to think MU could do better than Judson. I know he's already on staff, but still. Don't think he's much of a recruiter.
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LOL No...no offense Doc, but I'd like to think MU could do better than Judson. I know he's already on staff, but still. Don't think he's much of a recruiter.
Lon Kruger and Bill Self would disagree. He was their top recruiter at Illinois, especially for in-state players, back when the Illini kept most of the top players in state.
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Lon Kruger and Bill Self would disagree. He was their top recruiter at Illinois, especially for in-state players, back when the Illini kept most of the top players in state.
That was a long time ago..I personally want to see either...A. A veteran X's and O's guy(not Judson), it's too bad Phil Martelli is no longer available.
B. a grand slam type recruiter. Not that Stan/Dwayne aren't, but even more "fire power" COULD mean a whole new world for MU recruiting, IF they were to hire the right guy.
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Lon Kruger and Bill Self would disagree. He was their top recruiter at Illinois, especially for in-state players, back when the Illini kept most of the top players in state.
Are we recruit players from Illinois from 20 years ago? If not, pass
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That was a long time ago..I personally want to see either...A. A veteran X's and O's guy(not Judson), it's too bad Phil Martelli is no longer available.
B. a grand slam type recruiter. Not that Stan/Dwayne aren't, but even more "fire power" COULD mean a whole new world for MU recruiting, IF they were to hire the right guy.
Look, I'm not arguing for or against Judson, but you saying he's not much of a recruiter" is simply wrong.
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I'd see if John Scheyer is gettable. He'd be closer to home as well.
Please no, my head may explode if that happened.
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Just like Buzz, a D1 head coach, would never sit next to Crean to be his lackey?
I think New Orleans was a mess of a program at that time to be fair. A little different than Milwaukee.
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I'd see if John Scheyer is gettable. He'd be closer to home as well.
He ain't leaving Duke except for head coaching job.
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Unless Baldwin feels he is about to be fired, why would an active D1 coach voluntarily leave his position to become an assistant under Wojo?
Because Wojo has the team trending upward. We heard that here
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Because Wojo has the team trending upward. We heard that here
That’s a good point, Willie. That’s why I think it’ll be an attractive opening.
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It doesn't matter if it's a one year hire - go get the best there is. Why is one year OK? The bucks are bring Wesley Matthews to town for what will likely be his last year in the NBA. Following that, MU needs to grab him as top assistant where he'll be ready to take over for Wojo after a couple years of adjustment.
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and by the way, congrats to Brett and family - great move to a great place.
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Rob Jeter is currently an assistant at Minnesota. Would be a solid candidate if he wanted to move back to Milwaukee.
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Rob Jeter is currently an assistant at Minnesota. Would be a solid candidate if he wanted to move back to Milwaukee.
This is one of the better suggestions I've seen so far.
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Is this the first head coach hire from Wojo's tree?
If so, good for Brett and good for Wojo. Being able to get your assistants HC jobs helps bring in coaching talent, its like sending players to the NBA.
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Rob Jeter is currently an assistant at Minnesota. Would be a solid candidate if he wanted to move back to Milwaukee.
Hard pass
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Baldwin isn’t leaving UWM to be a Marquette assistant. Completely different circumstances than Buzz.
Jon Harris makes sense.
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Hard pass
Exactly, if they can't do any better than Jeter...C'mon people, this is a position that HAS to get a big time recruiter.
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He ain't leaving Duke except for head coaching job.
People say that about Coaches all the time. People said Wojo would never leave Duke for anything other than the Duke HC job either.
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Everyone else does this...now would be a perfect time to hire a brother or a father, uncle, family member of a top recruit. :)
Or...the perfect time to bring in a veteran X's and O's guy
Looking forward to the "Fire Wojo and replace him with [unnamed Nelson replacement]" threads.
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Jayce Johnson...Kobe McEwen...Greg Elliot...Jamal Cain
3 juniors n a 5th year senior?
Again .... lately
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https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=58727.0
5/7 JJ commits to MU. That's pretty recent if you ask me.
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People say that about Coaches all the time. People said Wojo would never leave Duke for anything other than the Duke HC job either.
This is a great opportunity to hire Chris Beard as an assistant
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This is a great opportunity to hire Chris Beard as an assistant
lol!! ;D
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https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=58727.0
5/7 JJ commits to MU. That's pretty recent if you ask me.
And, McEwen was last year and is now eligible to play after sitting out. That’s recent as well.
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People say that about Coaches all the time. People said Wojo would never leave Duke for anything other than the Duke HC job either.
What people said Wojo would never leave an assistant job at Duke for a good head coaching job at a high major school? Nobody credible said that.......what was said (by Wojo )was that he was only going to pursue the right head coaching job if he was going to leave Duke......
Forget Baldwin.....it ain't happening.....
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Hologram Al.
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Hologram Al.
+Infinity would really help with recruiting
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What people said Wojo would never leave an assistant job at Duke for a good head coaching job at a high major school? Nobody credible said that.......what was said (by Wojo )was that he was only going to pursue the right head coaching job if he was going to leave Duke......
Forget Baldwin.....it ain't happening.....
Why because Head Coaches have never left their positions to take Asst Coaching positions at a high major before??(Buzz comes right to mind). Also, as someone mentioned, he might not be at UWM much longer either if he doesn't get it turned around quickly.
Look, I don't care if it's Baldwin or who it is, but other schools do it, so it's time for MU to also have that advantage...hire a top recruit's dad, uncle, brother, HS Coach whoever. Whatever it takes to get said recruit(s).
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It's not impossible for a standing low-major head coach to accept an assistant coach job at a major program. However, moves like that come with substantial risk if that coach wishes to once again become a head coach again. I remember Buzz referencing that coaches that quit D1 head coaching jobs for assistant positions can essentially be blacklisted and not be considered for head coaching roles any more (he said he thought he wouldn't be a head coach again after New Orleans; he was just in right place/right time when Crean left for IU).
It's understandable too. Why would any AD take a risk on a coaching candidate that quit the role for an assistant position at a prior school? That coach better have one heck of a connection if he were to be offered again.
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This is a great opportunity to hire Chris Beard as an assistant
I was thinking Tony Bennett, Kelvin Sampson or who was the other guy that Scoopers thought we could get a couple months back? Lon Kruger maybe?
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Exactly, if they can't do any better than Jeter...C'mon people, this is a position that HAS to get a big time recruiter.
We wouldn’t be hiring Jeter as a head coach . The guy has a lot of positives. He was successful as a Head Coach at a crap program. He was a top assistant at a very successful rival and he is an assistant at the Big ten level now. The guy has many years of contacts and relationships that he can bring to the table . And on top of all of this he had a short stint with MU as an assistant so he knows what we are all about.
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We wouldn’t be hiring Jeter as a head coach . The guy has a lot of positives. He was successful as a Head Coach at a crap program. He was a top assistant at a very successful rival and he is an assistant at the Big ten level now. The guy has many years of contacts and relationships that he can bring to the table . And on top of all of this he had a short stint with MU as an assistant so he knows what we are all about.
I agree with this analysis. Wojo could do far worse than Rob Jeter. Jeter’s biggest mistake was staying loyal to UWM after making the tourney following Bruce Pearl. I don’t hold his record at UWM against him. Hard place to win consistently.
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I agree with this analysis. Wojo could do far worse than Rob Jeter. Jeter’s biggest mistake was staying loyal to UWM after making the tourney following Bruce Pearl. I don’t hold his record at UWM against him. Hard place to win consistently.
When has Rob Jeter ever landed a major, big time recruit?? That's what I want to fill Nelson's position...either a veteran X's and O's guy or an absolute top notch recruiter, like one regarded as one of the best in the business, or the potential to be.
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Why because Head Coaches have never left their positions to take Asst Coaching positions at a high major before??(Buzz comes right to mind). Also, as someone mentioned, he might not be at UWM much longer either if he doesn't get it turned around quickly.
Look, I don't care if it's Baldwin or who it is, but other schools do it, so it's time for MU to also have that advantage...hire a top recruit's dad, uncle, brother, HS Coach whoever. Whatever it takes to get said recruit(s).
Buzz left because New Orleans got hit by a friggin Hurticane.......
Pass......hire the right coach.........one who can recruit players other then his own kid.
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When has Rob Jeter ever landed a major, big time recruit?? That's what I want to fill Nelson's position...either a veteran X's and O's guy or an absolute top notch recruiter, like one regarded as one of the best in the business, or the potential to be.
Name names
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When has Rob Jeter ever landed a major, big time recruit?? That's what I want to fill Nelson's position...either a veteran X's and O's guy or an absolute top notch recruiter, like one regarded as one of the best in the business, or the potential to be.
Jeter did a very good job where he was at the Badgers top recruiter , responsible for recruiting top quality guys like Alando Tucker etc. His recruiting is why he was hired for the Milwaukee job. He recruited well enough at Milwaukee , which is a difficult place to recruit, to record a cumulative winning record while he was there. He then was fired for spurious reasons after a decent season. He then went to UNLV and recruited Brandon McKoy who was a McDonalds All American as well as other solid talent. Got rehired into the Big Ten at Minnesota . His track record is much better than anyone we have hired to date in the Wojo Era.
I doubt he would want to come to MU anyway , as he has a nice job at Minnesota. Only reason would be for significantly more money.
I am sure there are good quality young guys lining up for the MU job. I am not worried about who we will get.
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Everyone else does this...now would be a perfect time to hire a brother or a father, uncle, family member of a top recruit. :)
Or...the perfect time to bring in a veteran X's and O's guy
Maybe a touch of exaggeration as I can think of 5 to 10 instances in the last 25 years. There are probably more, but with so many Division 1 schools is it not the exception than the rule?
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I am sure there are good quality young guys lining up for the MU job. I am not worried about who we will get.
I agree completely. Most likely, who we get will be an unfamiliar name. I didn't know who Stan nor Dwayne were, but both have done well. Only a small handful of assistants are known names, and is usually because they failed at a bigger job or are on the fast track to a head gig. I think Wojo has generally done well with assistants, I'm not too worried about this.
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At this point in the game you could (and we probably will) do a lot worse than Jeter. A former D1 coach who should have relationships to some of the big time Minnesota guys we are recruiting. Maybe not the main recruiter for those guys but still someone I’d assume they’ve had a conversation with here or there.
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Watt makes y'all tink anywon butt an up and cummer is gonna wanna sit on da bench heer, hey?
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Maybe a touch of exaggeration as I can think of 5 to 10 instances in the last 25 years. There are probably more, but with so many Division 1 schools is it not the exception than the rule?
Sure, it's the exception, but i can't think of a single instance where it didn't get the desired result...getting the highly ranked brother etc. I mean Oklahoma State just hired Cade Cunningham's Brother...it will land them Cade which is exactly why they hired him. I'd do it too, and wish MU would.
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Watt makes y'all tink anywon butt an up and cummer is gonna wanna sit on da bench heer, hey?
Exactly. Jeter ain’t leaving a Big 10 assistant job to come to MU. Baldwin isn’t leaving a head coaching job. It’s not going to be a recruits father or brother. Let’s get real here.
Wojo just needs to make a solid hire.
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Exactly. Jeter ain’t leaving a Big 10 assistant job to come to MU. Baldwin isn’t leaving a head coaching job. It’s not going to be a recruits father or brother. Let’s get real here.
Wojo just needs to make a solid hire.
Yeah because Richard Pitino is so much more decorated than Wojo and Minnesota is so much better of a program than MU...
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Yeah because Richard Pitino is so much more decorated than Wojo and Minnesota is so much better of a program than MU...
MU might be marginally better. That won’t be enough.
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Sure, it's the exception, but i can't think of a single instance where it didn't get the desired result...getting the highly ranked brother etc. I mean Oklahoma State just hired Cade Cunningham's Brother...it will land them Cade which is exactly why they hired him. I'd do it too, and wish MU would.
The desired result is to build a solid program. Not to hire a guy who isn’t otherwise qualified who can bring a one and done recruit in who then leaves in a year.
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Watt makes y'all tink anywon butt an up and cummer is gonna wanna sit on da bench heer, hey?
120k raise will do the trick
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Watt makes y'all tink anywon butt an up and cummer is gonna wanna sit on da bench heer, hey?
Eye here itz bin awyle since u bin an up and cummer, yay Doc?
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Sure, it's the exception, but i can't think of a single instance where it didn't get the desired result...getting the highly ranked brother etc. I mean Oklahoma State just hired Cade Cunningham's Brother...it will land them Cade which is exactly why they hired him. I'd do it too, and wish MU would.
Wait.. earlier you said "everybody does it".. so which is it?
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Hire Dave Hauser
Perfect. +1 megazillion!
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I'd see if John Scheyer is gettable. He'd be closer to home as well.
No, No, NO,No! Trust me on that one.
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Please no, my head may explode if that happened.
You got that right, bro! OMG!! No, No.
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What's Tracy Webster up to?
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What's Tracy Webster up to?
That may not be a bad thought. Probably need to do some looking into his time at Cal.
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Let’s bust Jerry Wainwright out of the nursing home (https://media0.giphy.com/media/MrDOeT5IiKPWU/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a5d1d83277a352f7532924f70&rid=giphy.gif)
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The desired result is to build a solid program. Not to hire a guy who isn’t otherwise qualified who can bring a one and done recruit in who then leaves in a year.
Who said he wouldn't be qualified?? I said earlier, I'd do it IF he is qualified. But I'd find that guy that can bring you that recruit..because one leads to two, two leads to three, kids know kids they talk to each other. Look what Penny is doing at Memphis..sure, he's not a father of a recruit etc, but find someone with those kind of connections if possible, and of course do it legally(which I have no doubt Wojo would). You might as well play the game. It's an advantage, no doubt about that. Why should MU be any different than other schools that have done it?? In fact, I'd argue if they don't, they aren't taking advantage of a tool that's at their disposal, just as it is at everyone's disposal.
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Who said he wouldn't be qualified?? I said earlier, I'd do it IF he is qualified. But I'd find that guy that can bring you that recruit..because one leads to two, two leads to three, kids know kids they talk to each other. Look what Penny is doing at Memphis..sure, he's not a father of a recruit etc, but find someone with those kind of connections if possible, and of course do it legally(which I have no doubt Wojo would). You might as well play the game. It's an advantage, no doubt about that. Why should MU be any different than other schools that have done it?? In fact, I'd argue if they don't, they aren't taking advantage of a tool that's at their disposal, just as it is at everyone's disposal.
But you were specifically saying a family member of a recruit. Now you are just saying a connected recruiter. Those really aren’t the same thing.
I agree someone with Penny-like, and legal,recruiting connections would be ideal. But that’s not what you were talking about earlier.
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Wojo is going to fill a spot to go out on the road starting a week from today and keep in mind, every other D1 school is planning their recruiting trips for next week. Will it be an unemployed college coach, someone with professional ties or maybe the most logical, an in staff promotion of Rob Judson or Jake Pressuti as was suggested by a friend of mine.
I can hear it now if Wojo stays in house. Everybody is an expert.
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Jon Harris, hey?
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Sure, it's the exception, but i can't think of a single instance where it didn't get the desired result...getting the highly ranked brother etc. I mean Oklahoma State just hired Cade Cunningham's Brother...it will land them Cade which is exactly why they hired him. I'd do it too, and wish MU would.
SMU hiring Tyrese Maxey’s dad didn’t work out for them. This was just last year
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Sure, it's the exception, but i can't think of a single instance where it didn't get the desired result...getting the highly ranked brother etc. I mean Oklahoma State just hired Cade Cunningham's Brother...it will land them Cade which is exactly why they hired him. I'd do it too, and wish MU would.
This is why members here are sometimes confused by you. In the beginning of this topic you said every program does this, and now you agree it is the exception. Those are two very different constructs.
Do you think there may be some confirmation bias in your conclusions? You hear or read where it worked, but you don't often hear where it doesn't. Will Baldwin's son go to UWM? Was part of his hiring in the hopes that he would play for dad?
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Eye here itz bin awyle since u bin an up and cummer, yay Doc?
C’mon, 82, don’t encourage him.
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Brett will at least have a similar fight song at Holy Cross. A certain MU supporter points it out in the footnotes.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_Lz6-elbsY
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First, I wish Brett well -- just not too well! LOL
Second, I'd like to see us do a Jerry Wainwright, bench coach type of guy. I think that would genuinely bring Wojo back to earth while he polishes his "style" of play. It was the one element that was missing in early Buzz and it's rather missing now.
Another option -- is Bo Ellis interested? Did a great job with the big men years ago and he's a link to the glory years.
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Brett will at least have a similar fight song at Holy Cross. A certain MU supporter points it out in the footnotes.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_Lz6-elbsY
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When I worked in Boston, one of my fellow CPA's was a Holy Cross grad and a former member of their pep band.
Apparently HC has a licensing arrangement with Marquette in which they pay us $1.00 per year for the right to use that song. While he was there (mid-70's), the pep band went out of their was to pay the dollar in a creative way - Giant golf-tournament check, pennies in an unusual container, etc.
I don't know if that still happens.
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First, I wish Brett well -- just not too well! LOL
Second, I'd like to see us do a Jerry Wainwright, bench coach type of guy. I think that would genuinely bring Wojo back to earth while he polishes his "style" of play. It was the one element that was missing in early Buzz and it's rather missing now.
Another option -- is Bo Ellis interested? Did a great job with the big men years ago and he's a link to the glory years.
Bo Ellis? He’s 65 years old.
Cmon. Hire a good recruiter and all is fine.
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The only thing I know about Holy Cross is that they almost gave me a heart attack in Indy in 2003.
Thank goodness for Travis Diener, because D-Wade mostly sucked in that game, and Jackson and Merritt were totally M.I.A.
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Bo Ellis? He’s 65 years old.
Cmon. Hire a good recruiter and all is fine.
Ideally, I think if we can get Brett Nelson 2.0 it would be great.
1. A guy with a big time playing Pedigree
2. A solid track record of assistant coach jobs with recruiting contacts
3. An ability to help develop talent once on campus
4. A potential head coach
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Ideally, I think if we can get Brett Nelson 2.0 it would be great.
1. A guy with a big time playing Pedigree
2. A solid track record of assistant coach jobs with recruiting contacts
3. An ability to help develop talent once on campus
4. A potential head coach
#1 is not at all necessary.
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#1 is not at all necessary.
I was presenting points 1 through 4 as a package representative of Brett Nelson 2.0. Yes , the playing pedigree in a vacuum does not mean a lot. However, as part of the rest of the items it made an attractive overall package.
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First, I wish Brett well -- just not too well! LOL
Second, I'd like to see us do a Jerry Wainwright, bench coach type of guy. I think that would genuinely bring Wojo back to earth while he polishes his "style" of play. It was the one element that was missing in early Buzz and it's rather missing now.
Another option -- is Bo Ellis interested? Did a great job with the big men years ago and he's a link to the glory years.
No disrespect to Bo, who is an all timer at Marquette. The rumors when Deane was coaching is Bo wasn't quite as skilled or determined as a coach. Does the NCAA allow a consultant type that can work limited hours without having to take up a full coaching position?
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a consultant type that can work limited hours
That was basically Deane when he was the head coach!
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Thoughts on Todd Townsend? Former player, recruiting ties in Illinois and Wisconsin. Currently at Valpo with stops at NIU, Drake, and Milwaukee.
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Thoughts on Todd Townsend? Former player, recruiting ties in Illinois and Wisconsin. Currently at Valpo with stops at NIU, Drake, and Milwaukee.
I would love to get an ex-player...I think someone mentioned Jon Harris, which would be interesting as well.
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Harris or Townsend, I can live with.
Thinking outside the box:
What about bringing Scott Merritt over from the Women's team?
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Harris or Townsend, I can live with.
Thinking outside the box:
What about bringing Scott Merritt over from the Women's team?
Harris, Townsend , Merritt all would be excellent.
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I like the Merritt idea. I’m guessing they probably wouldn’t poach the women’s team at this late date though.
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Andre LaFleur maybe? Lots of big east experience, youngish, available.
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Wojo has brought in several outstanding assistants. I completely trust his judgment on Nelson's replacement.
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Andre LaFleur maybe? Lots of big east experience, youngish, available.
Would be an excellent choice too.
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I like the Merritt idea. I’m guessing they probably wouldn’t poach the women’s team at this late date though.
I get the affection for bringing in alums as assistant Coaches, but the problem with Harris, Townsend and Merritt especially is NONE of them have recruited the kind of talent MU needs to be successful. I will say it again,this spot HAS to be a grand slam recruiter. One of the best in the country. Find that guy...if he's already employed, offer him enough $$ that he can't/won't say no.
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I get the affection for bringing in alums as assistant Coaches, but the problem with Harris, Townsend and Merritt especially is NONE of them have recruited the kind of talent MU needs to be successful. I will say it again,this spot HAS to be a grand slam recruiter. One of the best in the country. Find that guy...if he's already employed, offer him enough $$ that he can't/won't say no.
Do you realize how hard that will be with only about 4 days before staffs go out for the evaluation period?
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Do you realize how hard that will be with only about 4 days before staffs go out for the evaluation period?
You don't want him to be officially hired then though...he can recruit for MU anyway.
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I get the affection for bringing in alums as assistant Coaches, but the problem with Harris, Townsend and Merritt especially is NONE of them have recruited the kind of talent MU needs to be successful. I will say it again,this spot HAS to be a grand slam recruiter. One of the best in the country. Find that guy...if he's already employed, offer him enough $$ that he can't/won't say no.
At the end of the day recruiting is the responsibility of the Head Coach. The assistants recruiting efforts are to a big degree bound by the quality of the program they are at. For example, a guy who is recruiting at the Ohio Valley level really needs to show that he can recruit guys who will be All League in that conference even though once in a blue moon a Ja Morant will show up.
The skills we are looking for in an assistant is someone who is a proven hard worker and has built a network of contacts in the AAU and High School scene developed over a meaningful period of time. These contacts help the assistant separate the wheat from the chaff. After all the Head Coach time is valuable and has many competing demands for attention .
The other big part of the assistant job is skills development , a schools that don't regularly get 5 star kids this component of the job cannot be underestimated.
Finally the assistant should have the stature of personality that is trending toward eventually being a head coach.
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I get the affection for bringing in alums as assistant Coaches, but the problem with Harris, Townsend and Merritt especially is NONE of them have recruited the kind of talent MU needs to be successful. I will say it again,this spot HAS to be a grand slam recruiter. One of the best in the country. Find that guy...if he's already employed, offer him enough $$ that he can't/won't say no.
I like the idea of hiring a recruiter, too, but IIRC, you were advocating not long ago for Wojo to hire a seasoned X-and-O guy the next time he had an opening. Which is it?
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I get the affection for bringing in alums as assistant Coaches, but the problem with Harris, Townsend and Merritt especially is NONE of them have recruited the kind of talent MU needs to be successful. I will say it again,this spot HAS to be a grand slam recruiter. One of the best in the country. Find that guy...if he's already employed, offer him enough $$ that he can't/won't say no.
I’m not as worried about having recruited at the same level of talent. I think a big part of recruiting is the relationships developed at the AAU and HS levels. Not all talent is high D1 and if these guys have good relationships with the coaches and programs based on their lower tier talent, that will quickly translate up to the level of their new job. BTW- Harris was involved with some top recruiting classes at Tennessee and California.
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I like the idea of hiring a recruiter, too, but IIRC, you were advocating not long ago for Wojo to hire a seasoned X-and-O guy the next time he had an opening. Which is it?
I said one or the other...IF the right X's and O's guy is available(and I'm talking someone that is well known for it and is GREAT at it), that's who I would prefer, if not, go with the grand slam recruiter. That being said an X's and O's guy can also be a great recruiter, right??
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You don't want him to be officially hired then though...he can recruit for MU anyway.
This is an off cycle hire. It will be hard to get an experience, high level recruiter at this point regardless of the money.
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This is an off cycle hire. It will be hard to get an experience, high level recruiter at this point regardless of the money.
You never know...Coaches move around all the time for various different reasons. I want him to at least exhaust all options in this area, before he(if that's what he decides) to hire within, or just make a "meh" hire.
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You never know...Coaches move around all the time for various different reasons. I want him to at least exhaust all options in this area, before he(if that's what he decides) to hire within, or just make a "meh" hire.
I think he will be very deliberate when making his decision. I don’t believe he has promoted assistants from within previously.
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I said one or the other...IF the right X's and O's guy is available(and I'm talking someone that is well known for it and is GREAT at it), that's who I would prefer, if not, go with the grand slam recruiter. That being said an X's and O's guy can also be a great recruiter, right??
As I said, I trust Wojo to make a good hire, as he has in the past.
I know it's crazy to actually trust the guy who hired Nelson, Stan and Killings as opposed to trusting an anonymous interwebs guy who claims to know more about basketball than the rest of us have forgotten, but that's the chance I'm willing to take.
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This is an off cycle hire. It will be hard to get an experience, high level recruiter at this point regardless of the money.
Disagree, money talks, and I would say Wojo probably sees 1 AAU coach or assistant that the kids really like. Need somebody
with connections to high school players. Sure the 3 MU players are nice additions but bring nothing to the table called experincece
in recruiting at a high level.
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Disagree, money talks, and I would say Wojo probably sees 1 AAU coach or assistant that the kids really like. Need somebody
with connections to high school players. Sure the 3 MU players are nice additions but bring nothing to the table called experincece
in recruiting at a high level.
Yes, Money talks and thus MU will get a lot of quality applicants for the job.
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Sure the 3 MU players are nice additions but bring nothing to the table called experincece
in recruiting at a high level.
Obviously Wojo wants the best available candidate, but I don’t know how you can say Jon Harris has no high level recruiting experience. You could also say the same thing about Brett Nelson before coming to Marquette.
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We can talk about all the potential candidates we want but Wojo’s track record is to hire someone completely off the radar, or with Duke ties. I’m sure he’ll make a good hire.
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Just need to make sure the candidates don't read Scoop.
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Disagree, money talks, and I would say Wojo probably sees 1 AAU coach or assistant that the kids really like. Need somebody
with connections to high school players. Sure the 3 MU players are nice additions but bring nothing to the table called experincece
in recruiting at a high level.
Put it this way. IMO they aren’t hiring a proven assistant away from another major program this time.
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Logical.
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Just need to make sure the candidates don't read Scoop.
Plus Tax
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Just need to make sure the candidates don't read Scoop.
But then how will they ever learn to coach?
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The only thing I know about Holy Cross is that they almost gave me a heart attack in Indy in 2003.
Thank goodness for Travis Diener, because D-Wade mostly sucked in that game, and Jackson and Merritt were totally M.I.A.
One of my good friends in LA is a Holy Cross grad. When I first started hanging out with him, Marquette came up and he said “you ******, I’m still not over 2003”. He was a soph and his roommate was on the team. He told me going into the game, the roommate told him their strategy was to sell out and take out Wade and force Diener (the small white PG) to beat you. We all know what happened.
I happily remind him constantly that Diener is probably my fave MU player of all time and I still have a baggy #34 jersey from that year in my closet
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One of my good friends in LA is a Holy Cross grad. When I first started hanging out with him, Marquette came up and he said “you ******, I’m still not over 2003”. He was a soph and his roommate was on the team. He told me going into the game, the roommate told him their strategy was to sell out and take out Wade and force Diener (the small white PG) to beat you. We all know what happened.
I happily remind him constantly that Diener is probably my fave MU player of all time and I still have a baggy #34 jersey from that year in my closet
Cool story, thanks for sharing. I just looked at the box score for that game and my goodness, did Travis ever save our bacon. Considering all that happened as a result of the Final Four run, that may be one of the more important (and overlooked) performances in MU history.
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Cool story, thanks for sharing. I just looked at the box score for that game and my goodness, did Travis ever save our bacon. Considering all that happened as a result of the Final Four run, that may be one of the more important (and overlooked) performances in MU history.
It really was. I was in Indy ... and Diener became one of my favorite Warriors ever that day.
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Congrats to Brett. Great school, great hoops history...but it's in Worcester.
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One of my good friends in LA is a Holy Cross grad. When I first started hanging out with him, Marquette came up and he said “you ******, I’m still not over 2003”. He was a soph and his roommate was on the team. He told me going into the game, the roommate told him their strategy was to sell out and take out Wade and force Diener (the small white PG) to beat you. We all know what happened.
I happily remind him constantly that Diener is probably my fave MU player of all time and I still have a baggy #34 jersey from that year in my closet
You're friends with Bill Simmons? Cool
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I happily remind him constantly that Diener is probably my fave MU player of all time and I still have a baggy #34 jersey from that year in my closet
No worries...it will get less baggy per year.
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MU Holy Cross is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwJIwihZoNU
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Merritt and Jackson were both brutal to watch in that game -- shooting a combined 4 for 17 (23.5%). Diener scored as many points (29) as the rest of the starting lineup combined. It was a career high for Travis, and couldn't have come at a better time. Man, was that kid a competitor.
I also forgot that Tom Crean was an assistant to Holy Cross coach Kevin Willard when Willard was at Western Kentucky and Pittsburgh.
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Congrats to Brett, BTW. Hate to lose him, but it's always a good sign when your assistants are in demand. It reflects well on the Marquette program. Think Holy Cross got a great young coach. Best of luck, and hope Wojo brings in someone just as good -- if not better.
"Brett is as good a basketball mind and worker as I have been around in college basketball. He has made Marquette University and our players better every day that he has been with us." Steve Wojciechowski
"I have been blessed to work with Brett at both Ball State and Marquette...He's a very good teacher of the game. But most importantly, he is a man of character and integrity who will do things the right way every day." Bill Scholl
"I have never seen a harder worker and a more committed player and coach to the game of basketball." Billy Donovan
http://www.patriotleague.org/news/2019/7/8/holy-cross-names-brett-nelson-mens-basketball-head-coach.aspx (http://www.patriotleague.org/news/2019/7/8/holy-cross-names-brett-nelson-mens-basketball-head-coach.aspx)
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Now what are the Wojo bashers going to say when they can no longer claim Wojo's assistants get no interest in head coaching jobs?
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Now what are the Wojo bashers going to say when they can no longer claim Wojo's assistants get no interest in head coaching jobs?
Donnie Jones coaching tree?
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The assistant coaching candidates while all have their chance to show their recruiting chops in the interview process. They first have to convince Wojo and Staff they have the mettle for the job and why they are better than all the other very qualified candidates. If they have connections who can influence at MU that can lobby for them all the better. It is the same thing they have to do with recruits and their parents.
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Jake Presutti promoted to asst Coach
https://twitter.com/BenSteeleMJS/status/1148702139998461953
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Jake Presutti promoted to asst Coach
https://twitter.com/BenSteeleMJS/status/1148702139998461953
If a person is qualified and has done a good job, it is important to promote from within. And if Wojo feels Jake was qualified, I feel great about the promotion.
Now go get 'em, Jake!
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A very solid choice and I am confident he will seize the opportunity with the vigor he has done everything else in his career. Nice to keep continuity as we have a critical season coming up.
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If a person is qualified and has done a good job, it is important to promote from within. And if Wojo feels Jake was qualified, I feel great about the promotion.
Now go get 'em, Jake!
I don't necessarily disagree, it's just that this is the first time under Wojo he has promoted from within for an asst position. I hope Jake does a great job, but I think it's fair to wonder/ask..what kind of connections does he have?? I'm guessing very very few. How many connections can a DOBO possibly have??
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Woah, late hire indeed. Best of luck to Brett!
Presutti to Assistant with Madhavapallil taking over DOB & giving Cam more responsibility wouldn’t be the worst if they elect to go in-house this late.
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I don't necessarily disagree, it's just that this is the first time under Wojo he has promoted from within for an asst position. I hope Jake does a great job, but I think it's fair to wonder/ask..what kind of connections does he have?? I'm guessing very very few. How many connections can a DOBO possibly have??
1. DOBO coordinates all the official visits etc which are frequently orchestrated through club and high school coaches.
2. Has the entire Syracuse basketball alumni base which should not be underestimated .
3. Has extensive relationships from USA basketball
4. He is a well known in the New York upstate area where we have focused a lot of our recruiting effort recently
5. Worked in the NBA right out of school, those contacts grow over time
Jake is the definition of an up and coming assistant.
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* NM - Herm covered it
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I don't necessarily disagree, it's just that this is the first time under Wojo he has promoted from within for an asst position. I hope Jake does a great job, but I think it's fair to wonder/ask..what kind of connections does he have?? I'm guessing very very few. How many connections can a DOBO possibly have??
As I said several times, I trust that Wojo will know more about the person he hires and more about the needs of the program than any of us Scoopers do.
I like the hire because the head coach likes the hire. I'd say that if Shaka or Buzz or Crean had made the hire, too.
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1. DOBO coordinates all the official visits etc which are frequently orchestrated through club and high school coaches.
2. Has the entire Syracuse basketball alumni base which should not be underestimated .
3. Has extensive relationships from USA basketball
4. He is a well known in the New York upstate area where we have focused a lot of our recruiting effort recently
5. Worked in the NBA right out of school, those contacts grow over time
Jake is the definition of an up and coming assistant.
Was not aware of this, admittedly, I don't pay much attention to staff people's backgrounds unless they are an asst Coach. Thanks for the info. Sounds promising.
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Was not aware of this, admittedly, I don't pay much attention to staff people's backgrounds unless they are an asst Coach. Thanks for the info. Sounds promising.
Here is a very old Sports Illustrated profile of Jake from 11 years ago while still at Syracuse. It shows the character of the individual.
https://www.si.com/more-sports/2008/02/07/syracuse-presutti
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1. DOBO coordinates all the official visits etc which are frequently orchestrated through club and high school coaches.
2. Has the entire Syracuse basketball alumni base which should not be underestimated .
3. Has extensive relationships from USA basketball
4. He is a well known in the New York upstate area where we have focused a lot of our recruiting effort recently
5. Worked in the NBA right out of school, those contacts grow over time
Jake is the definition of an up and coming assistant.
That's an impressive resume for a DOBO. Seems wojo did a good job of hiring a DOBO who could step up and fill in if needed. I also wonder if the outcome would have been different if Nelson left earlier in the off-season.
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1. DOBO coordinates all the official visits etc which are frequently orchestrated through club and high school coaches.
2. Has the entire Syracuse basketball alumni base which should not be underestimated .
3. Has extensive relationships from USA basketball
4. He is a well known in the New York upstate area where we have focused a lot of our recruiting effort recently
5. Worked in the NBA right out of school, those contacts grow over time
Jake is the definition of an up and coming assistant.
In my opinion One of your better Posts.
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Here is a very old Sports Illustrated profile of Jake from 11 years ago while still at Syracuse. It shows the character of the individual.
https://www.si.com/more-sports/2008/02/07/syracuse-presutti
This is a fantastic article. Thank you for sharing.
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His brother is a Jesuit too!
Anyway this is by no means a flashy hire, but he clearly has impressed a lot of people during his career. Hope it works!