EOM
RIP Cincy.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on April 09, 2019, 11:49:19 AM
RIP Cincy.
If (when) Cincy hires the Northern Kentucky coach they'll be just fine.
I wonder how he'll feel coaching in the shadow of a water polo powerhouse
I think it's a great move for Cronin. He has had trouble winning in NCAA, but the wins will come. He will have the opportunity for better seedings moving forward.
Curious to see the Cincy response - now a program in the American with a strong history and a consistent presence in NCAA, it will be fun to see who they target.
Hate to say I just root against the American because of the split and wanting it established that the power 5+BE are the power 6 in basketball. Liked Cronin.
My personal dream is still and 11-team big East with UConn, but I'm thrilled with the stability if the current 10
So a program that's never content with anything less than a Final Four hires a coach that can't get to the Sweet 16, and a fanbase that was all too happy to see Howland's slowdown defensive style that won games get ran out of town is supposed to embrace a style that's even more slowdown and defensively based?
Someone fire up the hot air popper...
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 09, 2019, 12:48:55 PM
So a program that's never content with anything less than a Final Four hires a coach that can't get to the Sweet 16, and a fanbase that was all too happy to see Howland's slowdown defensive style that won games get ran out of town is supposed to embrace a style that's even more slowdown and defensively based?
Someone fire up the hot air popper...
I don't put too much weight in the tournament results because crapshoot (although Cronin's now got an extensive enough history that there may be something to it), but my thoughts exactly on the style.
UC job bigger than MU? Same? I really don't know.
Quote from: geps on April 09, 2019, 01:06:31 PM
UC job bigger than MU? Same? I really don't know.
I would put MU slightly above Cincy at this point due to better resources. IMHO of course
Wojo must : have said no/not been good enough to ask.
So Cronin is like the 8th choice by an AD with one foot out of the door.
Anyone checking the flights from Racine to Youngstown to keep tabs on Wojo regarding the Cincinnati job?
Quote from: drewm88 on April 09, 2019, 12:55:16 PM
I don't put too much weight in the tournament results because crapshoot (although Cronin's now got an extensive enough history that there may be something to it), but my thoughts exactly on the style.
so here are the odds for the ncaa championship, world series, and the superbowl:
UVA - 5/1
Duke - 8/1
Kentucky - 8/1
(Marquette - 40/1)
Patriots - 6/1
Chiefs - 8/1
Rams - 8/1
Dodgers - 11/2
Astros - 7/1
Yankees - 7/1
am i missing something...or is it less of a crapshoot than some might believe?
Cincinnati's fan base really soured on Cronin in recent years for his inability to win games in the tournament. In thirteen seasons, Cronin only managed to get to the Sweet 16 once. After Huggins' tenure (where he got to a Final Four and two Elite Eights), I could definitely see a sense of disappointment and frustration.
Things can always be better - but they can also get worse too. This will be a very interesting search for sure. They could pursue Matta (who has had success in the tournament), lower level coaches in McMahon (Murray State) or Brennan (NKU) or even go the ever-trending alumnus route with a Nick Van Exel (Memphis Grizzlies' assistant coach).
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 09, 2019, 01:15:26 PM
I would put MU slightly above Cincy at this point due to better resources. IMHO of course
Have you ever been to Cincy and seen their resources?
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 09, 2019, 02:37:37 PM
Have you ever been to Cincy and seen their resources?
Any school supported with taxes has unlimited resources.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 09, 2019, 03:15:07 PM
Any school supported with taxes has unlimited resources.
Counterpoint: UWM
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 09, 2019, 03:15:07 PM
Any school supported with taxes has unlimited resources.
Really?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 09, 2019, 03:15:07 PM
Any school supported with taxes has unlimited resources.
Aren't all schools supported with taxes?
Quote from: Pakuni on April 09, 2019, 03:22:38 PM
Aren't all schools supported with taxes?
The Al, the new dorm, Wojo's salary, MU contract with the Bucks to play at Fiserv all paid with Taxes? Don't think so.
Quote from: avid1010 on April 09, 2019, 01:44:05 PM
so here are the odds for the ncaa championship, world series, and the superbowl:
UVA - 5/1
Duke - 8/1
Kentucky - 8/1
(Marquette - 40/1)
Patriots - 6/1
Chiefs - 8/1
Rams - 8/1
Dodgers - 11/2
Astros - 7/1
Yankees - 7/1
am i missing something...or is it less of a crapshoot than some might believe?
Yes, you are missing something.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 09, 2019, 03:15:07 PM
Any school supported with taxes has unlimited resources.
more and more athletic programs are self-sufficient and not funded by public dollars for operations.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 09, 2019, 03:26:32 PM
The Al, the new dorm, Wojo's salary, MU contract with the Bucks to play at Fiserv all paid with Taxes? Don't think so.
That's very different from what you wrote earlier.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 09, 2019, 03:15:07 PM
Any school supported with taxes has unlimited resources.
Um..... OK.
Sounds like you pulled that from your nether regions.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 09, 2019, 04:10:03 PM
more and more athletic programs are self-sufficient and not funded by public dollars for operations.
Student fees, though.
Quote from: Cheeks on April 09, 2019, 03:51:33 PM
Yes, you are missing something.
Yes i am...should have led off by name dropping who i had dinner with last night.
Quote from: avid1010 on April 09, 2019, 06:53:14 PM
Yes i am...should have led off by name dropping who i had dinner with last night.
You are still missing something
Quote from: Cheeks on April 09, 2019, 07:42:43 PM
You are still missing something
right...which is why i posed the question. so add to the discussion or don't. do you think you're missing something when you quote andrew luck as being okay with his kid playing football...when tons of other players have themselves retired and said they won't let their kids play.
Quote from: Cheeks on April 09, 2019, 07:42:43 PM
You are still missing something
The meeting notes from the Scotch Summit?
ND sucks
Maybee Mickey likes flyin' WN, hey?
Before Wojo was even a thought---I wanted Mick Cronin or Kevin Willard
and Archie Miller. MU was kind of stuck on Ben Howland and believe
Cuonzo Martin at that time. Correct if I'm wrong.
Quote from: Earl Tatum on April 10, 2019, 05:13:28 PM
Before Wojo was even a thought---I wanted Mick Cronin or Kevin Willard
and Archie Miller. MU was kind of stuck on Ben Howland and believe
Cuonzo Martin at that time. Correct if I'm wrong.
I think you're wrong. Wojo seemed to be the next man up after the Shaka situation fell apart.
If MU had preferred Howland or Martin, they'd have gotten him.
As for Cronin, I'm not sure a Bob Huggins/Rick Pitino protege would have been embraced at Marquette.
Quote from: Earl Tatum on April 10, 2019, 05:13:28 PM
Before Wojo was even a thought---I wanted Mick Cronin or Kevin Willard
and Archie Miller. MU was kind of stuck on Ben Howland and believe
Cuonzo Martin at that time. Correct if I'm wrong.
You wanted kevin willard?
12-20
12-19
21-10
13-17
21-13 NIT second round
15-18
17-17
I'm pretty sure you and everyone else would've gone nuts if we got someone who's career accomplishment was second round of the NIT
Woud've loved Archie but my recollection was he wasn't interested, can someone confirm or deny?
Quote from: Pakuni on April 10, 2019, 05:17:11 PM
I think you're wrong. Wojo seemed to be the next man up after the Shaka situation fell apart.
If MU had preferred Howland or Martin, they'd have gotten him.
After Shaka, those were the three names. Howland's somewhat recently reported conduct likely ruled him out. Pretty sure he put his own name out repeatedly through Goodman. Martin & Wojo were interviewed, and from what I heard Martin was the favorite going in. But he botched the interview & Wojo knocked it out of the park. The phrase I've most often heard was "Cuonzo was running from something, Wojo was running to something."
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 10, 2019, 05:24:02 PM
After Shaka, those were the three names. Howland's somewhat recently reported conduct likely ruled him out. Pretty sure he put his own name out repeatedly through Goodman. Martin & Wojo were interviewed, and from what I heard Martin was the favorite going in. But he botched the interview & Wojo knocked it out of the park. The phrase I've most often heard was "Cuonzo was running from something, Wojo was running to something."
Did you actually hear that at the time, or have the Scoop platitudes made their way into mainstream consciousness?
Quote from: Earl Tatum on April 10, 2019, 05:13:28 PM
Before Wojo was even a thought---I wanted Mick Cronin or Kevin Willard
and Archie Miller. MU was kind of stuck on Ben Howland and believe
Cuonzo Martin at that time. Correct if I'm wrong.
MU never looked at Cronin or Willard.
Nor was MU stuck on Howland. A major donor pushed hard for Gentle Ben. Marquette passing on Howland caused the Powerful Penis to end his considerable support for the program.
Martin never had traction at MU.
What's interesting is that one of the names you mention had a dialogue with MU after our humiliating defeat to a mid major.
While exploratory, and it never had traction, there was a conversation between MU and the coach's people lasting more than 10 days.
U cant say a name? Wtf is this a cia operation?
Quote from: Jon on April 11, 2019, 01:01:58 AM
MU never looked at Cronin or Willard.
Nor was MU stuck on Howland. A major donor pushed hard for Gentle Ben. Marquette passing on Howland caused the Powerful Penis to end his considerable support for the program.
Martin never had traction at MU.
What's interesting is that one of the names you mention had a dialogue with MU after our humiliating defeat to a mid major.
While exploratory, and it never had traction, there was a conversation between MU and the coach's people lasting more than 10 days.
You're saying MU admin spoke with representatives of Cronin, Willard, Howland, Martin or Miller just a few weeks ago? And those talks last 10 days?
Jesmu
I think Jon's post was quite clear.
Quote from: Goose on April 11, 2019, 06:05:48 AM
Jesmu
I think Jon's post was quite clear.
Just verifying. He seemed to state it as fact and not speculation or opinion.
Jon/Keefe appears to be the most insider of insiders because of this information and the information about the Hausers. Though many other prominent posters have disagreed with his statements on the Hausers.
And, in the past, he has been shown to have an anti-wojo/fire wojo stance as well as shown untrustworthy at least once (plagiarism).
So, again, I just wanted to verify his post was fact and not opinion/speculation.
Quote from: Bocephys on April 10, 2019, 11:58:52 PM
Did you actually hear that at the time, or have the Scoop platitudes made their way into mainstream consciousness?
Heard it at the time.
Quote from: jesmu84 on April 11, 2019, 04:57:15 AM
You're saying MU admin spoke with representatives of Cronin, Willard, Howland, Martin or Miller just a few weeks ago? And those talks last 10 days?
Pretty sure he means post-Bazz, not this offseason.
Quote from: Bocephys on April 11, 2019, 07:07:04 AM
Pretty sure he means post-Bazz, not this offseason.
He said "after our humiliating defeat to a mid major". I assumed this was Murray St.
That's why I was clarifying
Quote from: jesmu84 on April 11, 2019, 07:17:18 AM
He said "after our humiliating defeat to a mid major". I assumed this was Murray St.
That's why I was clarifying
Yeah that's how I read it too
Why make yourself clearly understood when you can be vague, mysterious and intriguing?
Quote from: jesmu84 on April 11, 2019, 07:17:18 AM
He said "after our humiliating defeat to a mid major". I assumed this was Murray St.
That's why I was clarifying
He means after Hank lost to Miami (OH) in 1978......ushering in the "dark ages"
Quote from: Cheeks on April 11, 2019, 09:34:19 AM
He means after Hank lost to Miami (OH) in 1978......ushering in the "dark ages"
I doubt Cronin or Archie were candidates in 1978.
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Quote from: cheebs09 on April 11, 2019, 09:36:18 AM
I doubt Cronin or Archie were candidates in 1978.
Embryonic protégés
Quote from: jesmu84 on April 11, 2019, 06:49:58 AM
Just verifying. He seemed to state it as fact and not speculation or opinion.
Jon/Keefe appears to be the most insider of insiders because of this information and the information about the Hausers. Though many other prominent posters have disagreed with his statements on the Hausers.
And, in the past, he has been shown to have an anti-wojo/fire wojo stance as well as shown untrustworthy at least once (plagiarism).
So, again, I just wanted to verify his post was fact and not opinion/speculation.
Speculate all ya want, butt Jon's innuendo has legs, hey?
My guess is this was MU doing it due diligence in case Wojo left. I seriously doubt they were talking to other coaches while contemplating firing Wojo.
4ever
The old guard often knows more than just Al era memories to share.
Damn, the "old guard" going full-on snowflake mode
Quote from: Goose on April 11, 2019, 10:17:23 AM
4ever
The old guard often knows more than just Al era memories to share.
uh oh! look out here comes jon swinging his wiener around! who you calling old you punk! check the engine on the chevy and tell me its old!
Mick Cronin has a patent, aina?
Quote from: Goose on April 11, 2019, 10:17:23 AM
4ever
The old guard often knows more than just Al era memories to share.
Goose -
Was this MU reacting to Wojo rumors?
Or MU proactively looking to upgrade the coaching position?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 11, 2019, 09:53:07 AM
Speculate all ya want, butt Jon's innuendo has legs, hey?
An innuendo that no one has any clue about what he is talking about, has legs?
The funny thing is this is a mostly anonymous message board with rampant speculation and loaded with inaccuracies. Yet we have certain people that want to pose as in the know, however they never actually state anything, akin to a horoscope or fortune teller. Jon's innuendo is just that. What is he deep throat that fears assasination if the name of a speculative coaching candidate is named long after the fact? Horsecrap, its hollow i know more than u childish boasting is all
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on April 11, 2019, 10:30:57 AM
An innuendo that no one has any clue about what he is talking about, has legs?
The funny thing is this is a mostly anonymous message board with rampant speculation and loaded with inaccuracies. Yet we have certain people that want to pose as in the know, however they never actually stare anything, akin to a horoscope or fortune teller. Jon innuendo is just that. What is he deep throat that fears assasination if the name of a speculative coaching candidate is named long after the fact? Horsecrap, i know more than u childish boasting
Spot on.
Quote from: jesmu84 on April 11, 2019, 06:49:58 AM
Just verifying. He seemed to state it as fact and not speculation or opinion.
Jon/Keefe appears to be the most insider of insiders because of this information and the information about the Hausers. Though many other prominent posters have disagreed with his statements on the Hausers.
And, in the past, he has been shown to have an anti-wojo/fire wojo stance as well as shown untrustworthy at least once (plagiarism).
So, again, I just wanted to verify his post was fact and not opinion/speculation.
It's a fact.
And in terms of the "plagiarism" narrative, that was hatched by that idiot Sultan. I have never plagiarized anything in my life.
Quote from: Jon on April 11, 2019, 01:54:44 PM
It's a fact.
And in terms of the "plagiarism" narrative, that was hatched by that idiot Sultan. I have never plagiarized anything in my life.
Thanks. Appreciate the confirmation that MU admin was in discussion with outside coaches for the MU HC position. Hopefully it was merely diligence in the event Wojo was talking to others and it wasn't behind his back to try and replace him without being upfront with discussions.
I found this interesting phenomenon where one person shares an opinion with another, then that person shares it with someone else as a speculation, then the third person shares it with another as a fact. It is an amazing process. Much like the larvae becoming a moth.
Unless Jon clarifies his statements then he simply continues the be the same charleton that he has always been, innuendos and half truths that "show" that no matter what happens he was already in the know. Childs game
Quote from: jesmu84 on April 11, 2019, 02:06:36 PM
Thanks. Appreciate the confirmation that MU admin was in discussion with outside coaches for the MU HC position. Hopefully it was merely diligence in the event Wojo was talking to others and it wasn't behind his back to try and replace him without being upfront with discussions.
It was prudence on MU's part. It's important to note that MU didn't initiate the contact.
But, anyone who thinks Wojo wasn't putting his hand up once MU's season was over is naive.
MU should entertain such discussions in order to build contingencies. Corporate America does it all the time. The MU Athletic Department should be no different. It's a business.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 11, 2019, 02:10:55 PM
I found this interesting phenomenon where one person shares an opinion with another, then that person shares it with someone else as a speculation, then the third person shares it with another as a fact. It is an amazing process. Much like the larvae becoming a moth.
Aggie,
The Meat Summit Underboard has lots of insight. We knew about a recent hire well before it was published here.
But wait. Some coach called Marquette saying, "Yo, Wojo might take this (enter school) job opening. If he does that I'd love to have a chance to interview for your opening." And for 10 days MU entertained this coach? How is that possible given that we've heard for weeks now that it's laughable anyone would actually believe a different program would have any interest in Wojo being their coach? As we all have been informed, most vocally from one of these very well informed meat summit members, is that the only job Wojo is a candidate for us MU.
The math here doesn't add up.
Quote from: Jon on April 11, 2019, 02:15:54 PM
Aggie,
The Meat Summit Underboard has lots of insight. We knew about a recent hire well before it was published here.
Sorry Keefe this is lost on me. Can you put it into the form of a haiku? I recall those being very helpful during the last men's coaching search.
Quote from: Jon on April 11, 2019, 02:15:54 PM
Aggie,
The Meat Summit Underboard has lots of insight. We knew about a recent hire well before it was published here.
To be fair, didn't the meat summit also know about Shaka done deal, Martin done deal, hockey coming back, etc?
Quote from: Jon on April 11, 2019, 02:15:54 PM
Aggie,
The Meat Summit Underboard has lots of insight. We knew about a recent hire well before it was published here.
Again, we knew but noone else knew, but we are not gonna tell you what we knew. See how in the know we are.
Bullshit talks
Quote from: Cheeks on April 11, 2019, 03:12:15 PM
To be fair, didn't the meat summit also know about Shaka done deal, Martin done deal, hockey coming back, etc?
The only person who I truly trusted as a legit source was run off because one insufferable poster couldn't handle the resulting lack of attention.
Such a damn shame.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 11, 2019, 02:24:56 PM
Sorry Keefe this is lost on me. Can you put it into the form of a haiku? I recall those being very helpful during the last men's coaching search.
slicing through the fog
like a ginsu in prime beef
meat summit insight
Quote from: Cheeks on April 11, 2019, 03:12:15 PM
To be fair, didn't the meat summit also know about Shaka done deal, Martin done deal, hockey coming back, etc?
Meat Summiteers knew that Shaka was in (but didn't see the the Maya veto) and knew that Martin fell on his sword.
Zero intel on hockey but then we're not in New England...
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Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 11, 2019, 02:24:56 PM
Sorry Keefe this is lost on me. Can you put it into the form of a haiku? I recall those being very helpful during the last men's coaching search.
powerful penis
all in for gentleman ben
limp flaccid and soft
Quote from: Jon on April 11, 2019, 10:00:25 PM
Meat Summiteers knew that Shaka was in (but didn't see the the Maya veto) and knew that Martin fell on his sword.
Zero intel on hockey but then we're not in New England...
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The whole shaka was in but his wife vetoed it is compkete bullshit too. Totally annattempt to save face " oh ya we said he was in and he was too but then his wife". buuuuuullshit!
raised fist in the night
but nobody gives a sh1t
sand knit agony
Fun thread.
The more bullshit jon blows
attempts to be in the know
Empty speculation at best
Quote from: MU82 on April 11, 2019, 10:28:24 PM
Fun thread.
sh1t balls in the air
stay low and don't stop moving
toxic neighborhood
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on April 11, 2019, 10:30:58 PM
The more bullcrap jon blows
attempts to be in the know
Empty speculation at best
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Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on April 11, 2019, 10:30:58 PM
The more bullcrap jon blows
attempts to be in the know
Empty speculation at best
improper haiku
play by proper haiku rules
or don't play at all
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 11, 2019, 10:39:06 PM
improper haiku
play by proper haiku rules
or don't play at all
Dgaf
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on April 11, 2019, 10:21:43 PM
The whole shaka was in but his wife vetoed it is compkete bullcrap too. Totally annattempt to save face " oh ya we said he was in and he was too but then his wife". buuuuuullcrap!
I believe there is some truth to Mrs. Shaka story, but only some.
Quote from: Jon on April 11, 2019, 10:32:46 PM
sh1t balls in the air
stay low and don't stop moving
toxic neighborhood
See this is the insight I live for. It's why I just can't quit scoop.
Cheers Keefe
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Quote from: jesmu84 on April 11, 2019, 07:17:18 AM
He said "after our humiliating defeat to a mid major". I assumed this was Murray St.
That's why I was clarifying
Ahh, I missed that. Maybe getting rejected by the CBI counts as a mid-major loss?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 11, 2019, 10:39:06 PM
improper haiku
play by proper haiku rules
or don't play at all
churlish or just dull
bolstered by every post
sandy is a dunce
Quote from: Jon on April 11, 2019, 09:53:40 PM
slicing through the fog
like a ginsu in prime beef
meat summit insight
I missed this.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 11, 2019, 10:59:24 PM
I believe there is some truth to Mrs. Shaka story, but only some.
Obviously the Shaka Saga is far more nuanced and Scoop is hardly the best vehicle for communicating the many plot twists.
But Goose and I were able to triangulate as it was unfolding. Shaka did say he was in subject to some due diligence.
Maya Smart wasn't the only determining factor but her buy in certainly was a significant one. And I hate to say it but she actually commented that she wouldn't mind Chicago or Madison but really had no interest in living in Milwaukee.
Quote from: Jon on April 12, 2019, 12:03:17 PM
Obviously the Shaka Saga is far more nuanced and Scoop is hardly the best vehicle for communicating the many plot twists.
But Goose and I were able to triangulate as it was unfolding. Shaka did say he was in subject to some due diligence.
Maya Smart wasn't the only determining factor but her buy in certainly was a significant one. And I hate to say it but she actually commented that she wouldn't mind Chicago or Madison but really had no interest in living in Milwaukee.
I agree with this analysis.
Quote from: Jon on April 12, 2019, 12:03:17 PM
Obviously the Shaka Saga is far more nuanced and Scoop is hardly the best vehicle for communicating the many plot twists.
But Goose and I were able to triangulate as it was unfolding. Shaka did say he was in subject to some due diligence.
Maya Smart wasn't the only determining factor but her buy in certainly was a significant one. And I hate to say it but she actually commented that she wouldn't mind Chicago or Madison but really had no interest in living in Milwaukee.
Eff her. Shaka has been a major disappointment, and he very well could be fired after next season if he doesn't do better.
I welcome any Wojo detractor to show how Shaka has been one iota better.
11-22 in his second season and 20-34 in the conference his last 3 seasons. Can you imagine if Wojo had done that?
That's my analysis.
Quote from: Jon on April 12, 2019, 12:03:17 PM
Obviously the Shaka Saga is far more nuanced and Scoop is hardly the best vehicle for communicating the many plot twists.
But Goose and I were able to triangulate as it was unfolding. Shaka did say he was in subject to some due diligence.
Maya Smart wasn't the only determining factor but her buy in certainly was a significant one. And I hate to say it but she actually commented that she wouldn't mind Chicago or Madison but really had no interest in living in Milwaukee.
Good the mrs smart isnt mrs fryboy. I grew up in the suburbs and currently live in Madison. Would so much rather live in Milwaukee than the other 2 places.
That said, Austin is pretty appealingly, outside of the summer time.
Quote from: MU82 on April 12, 2019, 10:00:40 PM
Eff her. Shaka has been a major disappointment, and he very well could be fired after next season if he doesn't do better.
I welcome any Wojo detractor to show how Shaka has been one iota better.
11-22 in his second season and 20-34 in the conference his last 3 seasons. Can you imagine if Wojo had done that?
That's my analysis.
Dude did just win the NIT. Just sayin', aina?
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on April 12, 2019, 10:37:53 PM
Good the mrs smart isnt mrs fryboy. I grew up in the suburbs and currently live in Madison. Would so much rather live in Milwaukee than the other 2 places.
That said, Austin is pretty appealingly, outside of the summer time.
Austin is the best capital city California has ever had...