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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: DienerTime34 on March 23, 2019, 12:39:41 PM
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Hypothetically, you're Dr. Lovell. Oats calls and says "Wisconsin is home. And seeing the fan support and facilities at Marquette up close this year, I'm convinced it's my final destination. I can recruit the crap out of Michigan & Wisconsin. Just calling to let you know this is your only shot to get me."
Are you saying "Yes" or hitching your wagon to Wojo for the long haul?
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Not hitching my wagon to Wojo, but not saying “yes” to Oats. Let’s see him bring in some of his own players at Buffalo. He’s winning with Hurley’s guys.
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I’m saying, “Thanks for the prank call. Nate just signed a 5 year extension with Buffalo. He might be fielding calls, but he certainly isn’t making them.”
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You say thanks for calling, don't bother calling back, we'll call you if we need you.
Wojo is not going anywhere unless some scandal breaks that he was dropping bags or beating up players.
I'll ask again, when is the last time a coach was fired immediately after earning a 5 seed in the NCAAs or better without their being some off the court issues driving it? I haven't looked but no one has given me an answer in three days, I'm starting to believe it has never happened.
Best way to make a deep postseason run is to consistently earn high seeds. If Wojo keeps earning high seeds, the postseason success will come. It didn't happen next year. Deal with it, use it, and make ourselves better next season.
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I wouldn't want anything to do with a coach who just signed a five year extension but then was proactively calling different college presidents seeking a job. No employee is worth that.
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Just dumb. The guy been brought up numerous times in other posts.
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Hypothetically, you're Dr. Lovell. Oats calls and says "Wisconsin is home. And seeing the fan support and facilities at Marquette up close this year, I'm convinced it's my final destination. I can recruit the crap out of Michigan & Wisconsin. Just calling to let you know this is your only shot to get me."
Are you saying "Yes" or hitching your wagon to Wojo for the long haul?
You say, Nate how come you got your ass kicked by Wojo's team by 18 points and now we should take you on? How in the hell did you give up 103 points to MU in regulation? And why did you lose to Northern Illinois & Bowling Green, both rated worse than 100?
Then you ask, what are you plans for Buffalo once all the kids you didn't recruit are gone?
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Just to clarify something, I've seen a couple of people saying Oats didn't recruit his players. He's a fourth year coach, the senior 4-year players are his first class of freshmen. I'm not sure on the details of when Massingburg and Perkins committed, but every other player on that roster he recruited. So Jeremy Harris, Devonta Jordan, Jayvon Graves, Dontay Caruthurs, Montrell McRae, Jennathan Williams, Renaldo Segu....all his guys. He recruits the JUCO ranks really well.
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Just to clarify something, I've seen a couple of people saying Oats didn't recruit his players. He's a fourth year coach, the senior 4-year players are his first class of freshmen. I'm not sure on the details of when Massingburg and Perkins committed, but every other player on that roster he recruited. So Jeremy Harris, Devonta Jordan, Jayvon Graves, Dontay Caruthurs, Montrell McRae, Jennathan Williams, Renaldo Segu....all his guys. He recruits the JUCO ranks really well.
Fair point, he also has had major transfer. Wes Clark was arguably their best player last year, and he transferred in from Missouri. Massinburg was supposed to go to San Francisco, but another player committed and he was left with JUCO route or Buffalo. He committed in May, was recruited by Hurley and Buffalo, but Hurley left April 9th, Oats named coach April 11th...Massinburg signed May 11th.
Perkins signed with Buffalo when Hurley was the coach, back in October of '14.
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Uncle Leo?
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I say " You're an idiot, Nate. You're supposed to let your agent's proxy make these calls."
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Nate: "Hi GooooMarquette, this is Nate Oats."
GooooMarquette: "Hi, Nate. What's up?"
Nate: "Ummmm...I'm calling about your head coaching position."
GooooMarquette: "Oh, did you want to talk to Steve? Because you know he is our head coach, right?"
Nate: "Sorry. I think I have the wrong number."
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I wouldn't want anything to do with a coach who just signed a five year extension but then was proactively calling different college presidents seeking a job. No employee is worth that.
This
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I think his call went more like this,
"Wisconsin is home. After seeing Marquette finish one game out of first place this year in the Big East, and seeing them ranked in the Top 20 the majority of the season. Also, knowing that they have their entire team returning next season, plus some incredibly talented guards who sat out this year. I'm shocked to see their supposedly "great fanbase" turn on their coach, and a vocal group actually wants him to be fired? I wouldn't want to touch that program despite some great things this program has build. Too many in that fanbase aren't realistic with their expectations. Don't they realize that every fanbase in the Big East, and in every major conference thinks they should win NOW and go to the NCAA every year. That's a lot of teams, and a lot has to go right. The Marquette fanbase seems to be a bunch of whiners and a large number of them have proven they aren't supportive of the program. Too many were born with a gold spoon in their mouth and they want to win NOW, or else. MU has great facilities and is in a great conference, but I'm convinced this will never be my final destination. I could recruit the crap out of Michigan & Wisconsin, but my talent wouldn't be any better than what Wojo has brought in and continues to bring in. I feel as though unless I win the Big East Conference consistently and make the NCAA every year (and win multiple games) each year, I'm sure the fanbase would want me out as well."
(Pausing...shaking his head in disbelief)
"Just calling to let you know you should ignore the "idiot fanatics" and stay the course with a hard working, focused, and determined coaching staff and players. They have worked their asses off this season, and they are the most upset on how this season ended. Like everything in life, they will get up tomorrow and start working their asses off again, so they can continue to improve and try to make their fanbase happier next year. By the way, Marquette was a fun team to watch this year, and multiple players got a lot of national attention, just as the overall program did. Please know, if you listen to the whiners in your fanbase and get rid of successful coaches, others will take notice and stay away from Marquette. That's okay though, because DePaul is looking for a program to rival them for the bottom of the conference each year."
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You say thanks for calling, don't bother calling back, we'll call you if we need you.
Wojo is not going anywhere unless some scandal breaks that he was dropping bags or beating up players.
I'll ask again, when is the last time a coach was fired immediately after earning a 5 seed in the NCAAs or better without their being some off the court issues driving it? I haven't looked but no one has given me an answer in three days, I'm starting to believe it has never happened.
Best way to make a deep postseason run is to consistently earn high seeds. If Wojo keeps earning high seeds, the postseason success will come. It didn't happen next year. Deal with it, use it, and make ourselves better next season.
Mike Deane was fired 48 hours after completion of his fifth year after failing to reach the Sweet 16, and only one tourney appearance. Why does/should Wojo get a longer leash with far more talent then Deane had??
a 5 seed is a high seed?? Not to me it isn't...a 1,2,3 is a high seed. Getting a 5 after everything was pointing to no worse then a 3, for a vast majority of the season, is NOT a good look.
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This isn't how this is done. Why would Marquette want a coach too stupid to know that?
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Mike Deane was fired 48 hours after completion of his fifth year after failing to reach the Sweet 16, and only one tourney appearance. Why does/should Wojo get a longer leash with far more talent then Deane had??
Because Wojo is generally going in the right direction and Deane was clearly going in the wrong one.
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You say, Nate how come you got your ass kicked by Wojo's team by 18 points and now we should take you on? How in the hell did you give up 103 points to MU in regulation? And why did you lose to Northern Illinois & Bowling Green, both rated worse than 100?
Then you ask, what are you plans for Buffalo once all the kids you didn't recruit are gone?
This is exactly it.
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I'd pass along Barry Alvarez's contact information.
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Hypothetically, you're Dr. Lovell. Oats calls and says "Wisconsin is home. And seeing the fan support and facilities at Marquette up close this year, I'm convinced it's my final destination. I can recruit the crap out of Michigan & Wisconsin. Just calling to let you know this is your only shot to get me."
Are you saying "Yes" or hitching your wagon to Wojo for the long haul?
You say “Who dis?” and hang up the phone.
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Mike Deane was fired 48 hours after completion of his fifth year after failing to reach the Sweet 16, and only one tourney appearance. Why does/should Wojo get a longer leash with far more talent then Deane had??
Mike Deane was fired 48 hours after completing his 5th year in which he turned in a sub .500 season and the following year they were looking like they were going to be worse. Wojo just turned in an NCAA tournament appearance and a top 5 seed and the following season looks like they're going to be better. There is no comparison, saying there is just being stubborn.
a 5 seed is a high seed?? Not to me it isn't...a 1,2,3 is a high seed. Getting a 5 after everything was pointing to no worse then a 3, for a vast majority of the season, is NOT a good look.
Then you have been a very sad Marquette fan for a very long time. I have never lived in a time where getting a 5 seed was a bad season for Marquette. You say a high seed is 1, 2, or 3? Do you realize that in the last 40 years, Marquette has only got a top 3 seed 3 times? All of them 3 seeds? Why would you think that's a reasonable bar to measure success by?
Don't get me wrong, that's the level I want the program to be at, where we expect top 3 seeds and a 5 seed is considered a down year. But you've got to build to that.
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Just to clarify something, I've seen a couple of people saying Oats didn't recruit his players. He's a fourth year coach, the senior 4-year players are his first class of freshmen. I'm not sure on the details of when Massingburg and Perkins committed, but every other player on that roster he recruited. So Jeremy Harris, Devonta Jordan, Jayvon Graves, Dontay Caruthurs, Montrell McRae, Jennathan Williams, Renaldo Segu....all his guys. He recruits the JUCO ranks really well.
-Marquette: "JUCOs?!?!?" <click>
-Nate: "Hello? Hello?"
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Mike Deane was fired 48 hours after completion of his fifth year after failing to reach the Sweet 16, and only one tourney appearance. Why does/should Wojo get a longer leash with far more talent then Deane had??
a 5 seed is a high seed?? Not to me it isn't...a 1,2,3 is a high seed. Getting a 5 after everything was pointing to no worse then a 3, for a vast majority of the season, is NOT a good look.
This feels revisionist to me. Members here have spoken about trajectory, and Coach Steve is swinging upward, Mike Dean was swinging downward on recruiting and results. Trending is the difference.
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Mike Deane was fired 48 hours after completion of his fifth year after failing to reach the Sweet 16, and only one tourney appearance. Why does/should Wojo get a longer leash with far more talent then Deane had??
Mike Deane's fifth-season team won 14 games against a soft schedule (including 1-3 vs ranked opponents), never appeared in the rankings and obviously failed to qualify for even the NIT.
Wojo's fifth-season team won 24 games against a strong schedule (including 4-2 vs ranked opponents), was ranked as high as 10th, and earned a 5 seed in the tournament.
Does this answer your question?
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As so many pointed out here years ago...the 5 year mark should be the bench mark for Wojo's tenure...we are at the 5 year mark and now people are saying "next year, next year, next year". Move the goal posts much?? Big deal he is trending upward..Regular season wins mean squat. In CBB it's all about the tourney. Is MU a mid major now where winning 20+ games and a second place finish in a down conference should be applauded?? The small time thinking by the MU fan base is infuriating to me. Apparently it's the way the admin feel now too.
How soon everyone forgets where Buzz had the program...Now THAT was trending upward..Round of 64, round of 32, Sweet 16, Sweet 16, Elite 8...THAT is what trending upward is folks.
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As so many pointed out here years ago...the 5 year mark should be the bench mark for Wojo's tenure...we are at the 5 year mark and now people are saying "next year, next year, next year". Move the goal posts much?? Big deal he is trending upward..Regular season wins mean squat. In CBB it's all about the tourney. Is MU a mid major now where winning 20+ games and a second place finish in a down conference should be applauded?? The small time thinking by the MU fan base is infuriating to me. Apparently it's the way the admin feel now too.
How soon everyone forgets where Buzz had the program...Now THAT was trending upward..Round of 64, round of 32, Sweet 16, Sweet 16, Elite 8...THAT is what trending upward is folks.
Regular season wins mean more than squat. Why bother selling season tickets and having a season if they mean nothing?
I'm not sure you understand the term trending if you aren't including Coach Williams last year.
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Mike Deane's fifth-season team won 14 games against a soft schedule (including 1-3 vs ranked opponents), never appeared in the rankings and obviously failed to qualify for even the NIT.
Wojo's fifth-season team won 24 games against a strong schedule (including 4-2 vs ranked opponents), was ranked as high as 10th, and earned a 5 seed in the tournament.
Does this answer your question?
Mike Deane had also only signed in recruit, the 18th raked player in Indiana. Not the country, not the Midwest, not nationally at his position, in the entire state of Indiana.
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How soon everyone forgets where Buzz had the program...Now THAT was trending upward..Round of 64, round of 32, Sweet 16, Sweet 16, Elite 8...THAT is what trending upward is folks.
Something seems to be missing here ...
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I won’t be satisfied until we get 75 Nate Oats haikus from scoop “insiders”.
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I won’t be satisfied until we get 75 Nate Oats haikus from scoop “insiders”.
im personally just here for the sausage measuring contest between millennials and older generations.
goodness that was as good of a scoop meltdown as ive seen. one guy makes a general comment about older generations always talking about how soft millennials are but then go 5 pages deep about point differentials by a team mu most to and the irony there. and then one of those tough guy non-millennials who had it so much better when a college coach could throw a chair across the court or choke a teenager out with no discipline coming his way goes into a meltdown about agism, pondering whether a guy swallows or spits, how much he can bench and swim, and how he makes theo look like a twig. kind of proved the point. talk about soft.
so...i want in! wheres the registration table for this competition? team snowflake millennial baby!
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This feels revisionist to me. Members here have spoken about trajectory, and Coach Steve is swinging upward, Mike Dean was swinging downward on recruiting and results. Trending is the difference.
There were many MU donors pissed that Deane was let go at the time. Cords wasn’t as beloved at the start of his tour of duty as he was at the end.
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As so many pointed out here years ago...the 5 year mark should be the bench mark for Wojo's tenure...we are at the 5 year mark and now people are saying "next year, next year, next year". Move the goal posts much?? Big deal he is trending upward..Regular season wins mean squat. In CBB it's all about the tourney. Is MU a mid major now where winning 20+ games and a second place finish in a down conference should be applauded?? The small time thinking by the MU fan base is infuriating to me. Apparently it's the way the admin feel now too.
How soon everyone forgets where Buzz had the program...Now THAT was trending upward..Round of 64, round of 32, Sweet 16, Sweet 16, Elite 8...THAT is what trending upward is folks.
Missing every post season tournament at the end of Buzz’s tenure is trending upward? What was trending upward was news not about our team on the court, but off the court....that was trending upward
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As so many pointed out here years ago...the 5 year mark should be the bench mark for Wojo's tenure...we are at the 5 year mark and now people are saying "next year, next year, next year". Move the goal posts much?? Big deal he is trending upward..Regular season wins mean squat. In CBB it's all about the tourney. Is MU a mid major now where winning 20+ games and a second place finish in a down conference should be applauded?? The small time thinking by the MU fan base is infuriating to me. Apparently it's the way the admin feel now too.
How soon everyone forgets where Buzz had the program...Now THAT was trending upward..Round of 64, round of 32, Sweet 16, Sweet 16, Elite 8...THAT is what trending upward is folks.
No one is saying next year next year. They are saying we had a good season, nut up and enjoy it.
Regular season wins don't mean squat. Regular season wins are what get you high seeds. High seed are what get you to the Final Four. Continue to get high seeds and you increase your chances of playing on the biggest stage.
Buzz had us trending up....until he didn't. When he fell, he fell hard. If Buzz had been able to maintain his happy, we may have been well on our way to where we need to be. But that didn't happen and we had to start over.
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The only Hurley recruit left on UB is Perkins. And although Oates didn’t recruit him, he sure as hell should get credit for developing him and his talents. Even Hurley made a comment after the game about how much Perk had improved.
Oates has taken over a program that Hurley started building and has taken it to another level. Last year he had the highest ranked recruiting class in UB history and next years’ class is supposed to be even better. Considering UB has been a doormat in the NCAA since joining division 1 you have to give the guy a lot of credit.
I like the way Nate’s players play for him and I like the way he gets the most out of them. Like buzz, he is a motivator. He will
most likely never end up here at Marquette, however, I do think he would be a good fit if the job opened up.
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No one is saying next year next year. They are saying we had a good season, nut up and enjoy it.
Regular season wins don't mean squat. Regular season wins are what get you high seeds. High seed are what get you to the Final Four. Continue to get high seeds and you increase your chances of playing on the biggest stage.
Buzz had us trending up....until he didn't. When he fell, he fell hard. If Buzz had been able to maintain his happy, we may have been well on our way to where we need to be. But that didn't happen and we had to start over.
Given the way the admin was treating him at the time, I can't blame him for "checking" out. I wasn't at all happy about that final year but given they had been to two sweet 16's and an elite 8 the three prior years, he was given some slack by me under the circumstances.
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Given the way the admin was treating him at the time, I can't blame him for "checking" out. I wasn't at all happy about that final year but given they had been to two sweet 16's and an elite 8 the three prior years, he was given some slack by me under the circumstances.
No excuse. You are paid millions, you act accordingly and do your job.
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As so many pointed out here years ago...the 5 year mark should be the bench mark for Wojo's tenure...we are at the 5 year mark and now people are saying "next year, next year, next year". Move the goal posts much?? Big deal he is trending upward..Regular season wins mean squat. In CBB it's all about the tourney. Is MU a mid major now where winning 20+ games and a second place finish in a down conference should be applauded?? The small time thinking by the MU fan base is infuriating to me. Apparently it's the way the admin feel now too.
How soon everyone forgets where Buzz had the program...Now THAT was trending upward..Round of 64, round of 32, Sweet 16, Sweet 16, Elite 8...THAT is what trending upward is folks.
The guy who doesn't want to be lectured continues to lecture others.
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Missing every post season tournament at the end of Buzz’s tenure is trending upward? What was trending upward was news not about our team on the court, but off the court....that was trending upward
It gets really tiring that you keep referencing this Chicos...so damn tiring..The way the admin treated Buzz that last year I don't blame him for "checking" out. I didn't like it..but given that he had been to two Sweet 16's and an Elite 8 the three years prior, I can cut him a little bit of slack given the circumstances he was working under.
As far as the "off the court" stuff you keep referencing...let me put this in all caps so you get it through your f'n thick head...I DON'T GIVE TWO SH*TS about "off the court" stuff UNLESS it somehow affects the product ON THE FLOOR. Besides, what you keep referencing were ALLEGATIONS, no more, no less. In this country we are innocent until proven guilty.
I have ZERO ties to MU other than the Basketball program, so what i care about is the basketball team and the results they produce, that's it. Period. I became a season ticket holder 15 years ago because of my love for the BASKETBALL program, not the University or anything associated with their academic programs etc. The men's basketball program..that's it. I'm not an alum, have no family that attending MU, no friends that attended MU. Couldn't care less about the "image" of the University. That's just being honest. I care about Wins on the basketball court. That's it. Fell in love with the program as a kid, and it's been my passion ever since. So yes, the results ON THE FLOOR matter to me more than anything else.
Have I made this perfectly clear to you now??
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No excuse. You are paid millions, you act accordingly and do your job.
Wojo is getting paid Millions...his job is to win tournament games. That's every Coaches job in a high major program. Right or wrong, that's the reality. Is he doing his job??
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It gets really tiring that you keep referencing this Chicos...so damn tiring..The way the admin treated Buzz that last year I don't blame him for "checking" out. I didn't like it..but given that he had been to two Sweet 16's and an Elite 8 the three years prior, I can cut him a little bit of slack given the circumstances he was working under.
As far as the "off the court" stuff you keep referencing...let me put this in all caps so you get it through your f'n thick head...I DON'T GIVE TWO SH*TS about "off the court" stuff UNLESS it somehow affects the product ON THE FLOOR. Besides, what you keep referencing were ALLEGATIONS, no more, no less. In this country we are innocent until proven guilty.
I have ZERO ties to MU other than the Basketball program, so what i care about is the basketball team and the results they produce, that's it. Period. I became a season ticket holder 15 years ago because of my love for the BASKETBALL program, not the University or anything associated with their academic programs etc. The men's basketball program..that's it. I'm not an alum, have no family that attending MU, no friends that attended MU. Couldn't care less about the "image" of the University. That's just being honest. I care about Wins on the basketball court. That's it. Fell in love with the program as a kid, and it's been my passion ever since. So yes, the results ON THE FLOOR matter to me more than anything else.
Have I made this perfectly clear to you now??
Ehh, what’s a little rape....”I can cut him some slack”
Pathetic
For the administration, they care. For many alumni, which I believe you are not, we care. Find another program that allows that crap to happen where people don’t give two craps about....you will feel much better about yourself and your self worth, and what you value from humanity.
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Wojo is getting paid Millions...his job is to win tournament games. That's every Coaches job in a high major program. Right or wrong, that's the reality. Is he doing his job??
His job is not solely to win tournament games, that is PART of his job. Not at all surprising to anyone are these points that you didn’t mention. His job is to be ethical, not put the university in a bad light with actions by his program, graduate players...you know, stuff you don’t give two craps about.
He is also to field a good basketball team, which he has done and why they were rewarded with a NCAA at larger berth. Yes, win tournament games is PART of his job.
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Ehh, what’s a little rape....”I can cut him some slack”
Pathetic
For the administration, they care. For many alumni, which I believe you are not, we care. Find another program that allows that crap to happen where people don’t give two craps about....you will feel much better about yourself and your self worth, and what you value from humanity.
ALLEGED...ALLEGATIONS...NO CHARGES filed. Can you get that thru your g*d damn thick head?? You weren't there, stop stating it as FACTUAL. You know what?? I'm going to call Directv and accuse you of embezzling millions thru the years. And because I said it, it would HAVE to be true, right?? I mean, why would i lie about something so serious?? Because that NEVER happens in this world. People never just say stuff to get $$, publicity, have agenda's?? No never...#me too
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Mike Deane had also only signed in recruit, the 18th raked player in Indiana. Not the country, not the Midwest, not nationally at his position, in the entire state of Indiana.
Krunti Hester, though I don’t recall him being from Indiana. Yes, recruiting was a major reason, attendance was down, etc.
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There were many MU donors pissed that Deane was let go at the time. Cords wasn’t as beloved at the start of his tour of duty as he was at the end.
This is absolutely true, a bunch of our fans hated Cords when I worked there...but that is our intelligent fanbase for you. They know everything.
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His job is not solely to win tournament games, that is PART of his job. Not at all surprising to anyone are these points that you didn’t mention. His job is to be ethical, not put the university in a bad light with actions by his program, graduate players...you know, stuff you don’t give two craps about.
He is also to field a good basketball team, which he has done and why they were rewarded with a NCAA at larger berth. Yes, win tournament games is PART of his job.
Because in the history of this world ,not a single entity has ever recovered from a bit of bad publicity from time to time, right?? Coaches that have had a history of running a clean program, no bad publicity etc have lost their job because at the end of the day..they haven't won at a level that was required/wanted by the administration of said school. If this administration is under the desk for Wojo the way they seem to be, because winning at the highest level is secondary to them, then they are a damn joke.
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The only Hurley recruit left on UB is Perkins. And although Oates didn’t recruit him, he sure as hell should get credit for developing him and his talents. Even Hurley made a comment after the game about how much Perk had improved.
Oates has taken over a program that Hurley started building and has taken it to another level. Last year he had the highest ranked recruiting class in UB history and next years’ class is supposed to be even better. Considering UB has been a doormat in the NCAA since joining division 1 you have to give the guy a lot of credit.
I like the way Nate’s players play for him and I like the way he gets the most out of them. Like buzz, he is a motivator. He will
most likely never end up here at Marquette, however, I do think he would be a good fit if the job opened up.
Not entirely true as I pointed out yesterday. Another of their key guys was recruited by Buffalo before Hurley left, but signed a month after Hurley left.....because his scholarship at USF fell through so Buffalo was the only option left.
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Mike Deane had also only signed in recruit, the 18th raked player in Indiana. Not the country, not the Midwest, not nationally at his position, in the entire state of Indiana.
Many years later we are still talking about the much maligned Krunti Hester. More posts should be made about Lloyd Moore
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ALLEGED...ALLEGATIONS...NO CHARGES filed. Can you get that thru your g*d damn thick head?? You weren't there, stop stating it as FACTUAL. You know what?? I'm going to call Directv and accuse you of embezzling millions thru the years. And because I said it, it would HAVE to be true, right?? I mean, why would i lie about something so serious?? Because that NEVER happens in this world. People never just say stuff to get $$, publicity, have agenda's?? No never...#me too
Is that a threat?
You are entitled to your beliefs and what happened. We were in the news for all the wrong reasons, whether it be player punching student, players cited at parties on the heels of all this when they should have been as squeaky clean as possible at that point just out of common sense, to multiple sexual assault issues, to NCAA violations and lying about them to the administration (the cover up is always the problem) and on and on and on....that’s just the stuff that made the news.
But sure, we get it...you don’t care...just win baby...that’s all that matters to you. That’s fine for some schools and surely for professional sports. Thing is, you don’t run a university and you are not responsible for the stewardship of it. The people in charge made their decision, which is clearly at odds with yours. Many alumni support that vision, it was awful the press the university got. Awful. This is why I suggest you probably should move on, because the people in charge aren’t going to allow that stuff to happen again. I say this purely from a perspective of you will continue to be disappointed if you expect that kind of behavior to return and be allowed.
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Because in the history of this world ,not a single entity has ever recovered from a bit of bad publicity from time to time, right?? Coaches that have had a history of running a clean program, no bad publicity etc have lost their job because at the end of the day..they haven't won at a level that was required/wanted by the administration of said school. If this administration is under the desk for Wojo the way they seem to be, because winning at the highest level is secondary to them, then they are a damn joke.
Yes, and usually you recover by not repeating history. Thank you...could not have said it better.
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ALLEGED...ALLEGATIONS...NO CHARGES filed. Can you get that thru your g*d damn thick head?? You weren't there, stop stating it as FACTUAL. You know what?? I'm going to call Directv and accuse you of embezzling millions thru the years. And because I said it, it would HAVE to be true, right?? I mean, why would i lie about something so serious?? Because that NEVER happens in this world. People never just say stuff to get $$, publicity, have agenda's?? No never...#me too
This is a real bad look.
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Is that a threat?
You are entitled to your beliefs and what happened. We were in the news for all the wrong reasons, whether it be player punching student, players cited at parties on the heels of all this when they should have been as squeaky clean as possible at that point just out of common sense, to multiple sexual assault issues, to NCAA violations and lying about them to the administration (the cover up is always the problem) and on and on and on....that’s just the stuff that made the news.
But sure, we get it...you don’t care...just win baby...that’s all that matters to you. That’s fine for some schools and surely for professional sports. Thing is, you don’t run a university and you are not responsible for the stewardship of it. The people in charge made their decision, which is clearly at odds with yours. Many alumni support that vision, it was awful the press the university got. Awful. This is why I suggest you probably should move on, because the people in charge aren’t going to allow that stuff to happen again. I say this purely from a perspective of you will continue to be disappointed if you expect that kind of behavior to return and be allowed.
For a guy who often complains about lives being ruined by unproven allegations in the media ...
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Not entirely true as I pointed out yesterday. Another of their key guys was recruited by Buffalo before Hurley left, but signed a month after Hurley left.....because his scholarship at USF fell through so Buffalo was the only option left.
Not sure which player you are referring to. The only player on the current roster from the 2015 recruiting class is Perk. Not saying you are wrong, I'm just curious as I follow UB pretty closely. Even the Buffalo News quoted yesterday that Perk was the only holdover from the Hurley regime (I am a subscriber).
Harris came from a jucco in Florida but his first year was last year.
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Not sure which player you are referring to. The only player on the current roster from the 2015 recruiting class is Perk. Not saying you are wrong, I'm just curious as I follow UB pretty closely. Even the Buffalo News quoted yesterday that Perk was the only holdover from the Hurley regime (I am a subscriber).
Harris came from a jucco in Florida but his first year was last year.
Plus, Oats was Hurley’s chief recruiter as an assistant.
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Plus, Oats was Hurley’s chief recruiter as an assistant.
You are correct sir!
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Krunti Hester was from Brebuf in Indy, same high school as Alan Henderson.
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Is that a threat?
You are entitled to your beliefs and what happened. We were in the news for all the wrong reasons, whether it be player punching student, players cited at parties on the heels of all this when they should have been as squeaky clean as possible at that point just out of common sense, to multiple sexual assault issues, to NCAA violations and lying about them to the administration (the cover up is always the problem) and on and on and on....that’s just the stuff that made the news.
But sure, we get it...you don’t care...just win baby...that’s all that matters to you. That’s fine for some schools and surely for professional sports. Thing is, you don’t run a university and you are not responsible for the stewardship of it. The people in charge made their decision, which is clearly at odds with yours. Many alumni support that vision, it was awful the press the university got. Awful. This is why I suggest you probably should move on, because the people in charge aren’t going to allow that stuff to happen again. I say this purely from a perspective of you will continue to be disappointed if you expect that kind of behavior to return and be allowed.
I never said i condone any of that sh*t...ever. But what i don't condone is you using the word Rape like you 100% actually know it happened. You don't. What we do know is no one was charged with a crime, and no crime was found to have occurred. Would MU be the first entity in the history of business to receive bad publicity?? Ummm no. Most recover just fine in the end.
I don't expect that kind of behavior(and you spit this sh*t out on everything like you know EXACTLY what happened)..to continue. What i do hope for is for the basketball program to return to it's rightful place and to become elite again. I also expect the administration to want the same vision. Father Wild and Cords had that vision. this one...I don't get the sense that they do.
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Not sure which player you are referring to. The only player on the current roster from the 2015 recruiting class is Perk. Not saying you are wrong, I'm just curious as I follow UB pretty closely. Even the Buffalo News quoted yesterday that Perk was the only holdover from the Hurley regime (I am a subscriber).
Harris came from a jucco in Florida but his first year was last year.
I'm referring to Massinburg, who was recruited by Buffalo while Hurley was still there. Hurley left in early April, Oats was named coach a few days later. Massinburg had yet to make his decision, but Hurley and staff (yes, including Oats) were on him and offered. He had two offers, San Francisco and Buffalo. The USF offer fell through when another player took the last scholie, and he then committed to Buffalo about a month after Hurley left.
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First thing I say if Nate Oats calls is:
"Please tell me you're not related to that tool, Tom Oates, who is such an idiot he probably doesn't even know how to spell his own name."
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I'm not wading into this fight, but watching Chicos battle on behalf of someone who alleged sexual assault but never had it proven in court is quite the sight.
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I'm referring to Massinburg, who was recruited by Buffalo while Hurley was still there. Hurley left in early April, Oats was named coach a few days later. Massinburg had yet to make his decision, but Hurley and staff (yes, including Oats) were on him and offered. He had two offers, San Francisco and Buffalo. The USF offer fell through when another player took the last scholie, and he then committed to Buffalo about a month after Hurley left.
Buffalo wasn’t even in contact with Massinburg until after Hurley left according to this article...https://buffalonews.com/2017/12/18/ub-basketballs-cj-massinburg-goes-from-overlooked-to-hard-to-miss/
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Did you butt dial me? I think you meant to call somebody interested. Like Vegas.
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Buffalo wasn’t even in contact with Massinburg until after Hurley left according to this article...https://buffalonews.com/2017/12/18/ub-basketballs-cj-massinburg-goes-from-overlooked-to-hard-to-miss/
Great find. Let me find where I saw it, thought it was this one (below)....but only talks of the USF scholarship he lost...of course other media say he only had an offer from Prairie View, so some inconsistencies on that, too.
https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/college-sports/collegesports/2019/03/23/every-texas-school-passed-south-oak-cliffscj-massinburg-now-texas-tech-must-deal-buffalo-ncaa-second-round
Give me a few....could have been on their message board.
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Guru not being an alum explains a lot. Alums (and anyone with a shred of character) care about the school and the surrounding problems that come with a dirty program.
Results at any cost are not and should never be what Marquette is about.
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Well, after tonite, maybe Nate might want his current day job...
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Well, after tonite, maybe Nate might want his current day job...
Next man up, hey?
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Well, after tonite, maybe Nate might want his current day job...
But... but... but... Oats is our next coach....how can this be?
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Buffalo wasn’t even in contact with Massinburg until after Hurley left according to this article...https://buffalonews.com/2017/12/18/ub-basketballs-cj-massinburg-goes-from-overlooked-to-hard-to-miss/
LOL!
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HURRY, HANG UP!
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a telephone rings
sunlight dries tear-streaked faces
serendipity
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a telephone rings
sunlight dries tear-streaked faces
serendipity
There he is! Welcome back😀
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Thanks for calling, Nate. I've got some questions for you:
How is it possible that The Next Great Coach lost an NCAA game by an even larger margin than The Nation's Worst Coach did? Does that mean your team quit on you?
How is it possible that The Next Great Coach's team went nearly 12 minutes without a basket? Couldn't you motivate your team to realize how important the game was?
How is it possible that The Next Great Coach's team kept hoisting up early-clock 3s and a bunch of other terrible shots? Don't you have an offensive game plan?
How did The Next Great Coach lose to The Nation's Worst Coach by 18 points?
How did The Next Great Coach's team allowed The Nation's Worst Coach's team 103 points when it's The Nation's Worst Coach who doesn't know how to coach defense?
How is it possible that the player many Marquette fans wish wasn't on their team put up 40 points in a half against The Next Great Coach's team?
I'll hang up now and pretend I'm listening to your answers. Please don't call again.
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Thanks for calling, Nate. I've got some questions for you:
How is it possible that The Next Great Coach lost an NCAA game by an even larger margin than The Nation's Worst Coach did? Does that mean your team quit on you?
How is it possible that The Next Great Coach's team went nearly 12 minutes without a basket? Couldn't you motivate your team to realize how important the game was?
How is it possible that The Next Great Coach's team kept hoisting up early-clock 3s and a bunch of other terrible shots? Don't you have an offensive game plan?
How did The Next Great Coach lose to The Nation's Worst Coach by 18 points?
How did The Next Great Coach's team allowed The Nation's Worst Coach's team 103 points when it's The Nation's Worst Coach who doesn't know how to coach defense?
How is it possible that the player many Marquette fans wish wasn't on their team put up 40 points in a half against The Next Great Coach's team?
I'll hang up now and pretend I'm listening to your answers. Please don't call again.
Question...were you okay with how MU's season ended?? a 1-6 fall off a cliff from February 27th on?? Being one win(with 4 chances) away from securing a BE title??
I will hang up and listen to your answer. Thank You.
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Question...were you okay with how MU's season ended?? a 1-6 fall off a cliff from February 27th on?? Being one win(with 4 chances) away from securing a BE title??
I will hang up and listen to your answer. Thank You.
I did not like how the season ended. I wish we were still playing. I thought Wojo had an especially bad second half against Murray State -- almost as bad as Buffalo's coach had in the second half against us or today against Texas Tech.
You're welcome.
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I did not like how the season ended. I wish we were still playing. I thought Wojo had an especially bad second half against Murray State -- almost as bad as Buffalo's coach had in the second half against us or today against Texas Tech.
You're welcome.
Thank You...but with all due respect, Buffalo's Coach gets a bit of a pass from me for today..he was up against a team that was better then they were. Not a lot you can do about that. I can't give Wojo that same pass for Thursday. With the right game plan, that game was winnable..with the exception of Ja, MU was more talented at every spot on the floor.
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Thank You...but with all due respect, Buffalo's Coach gets a bit of a pass from me for today..he was up against a team that was better then they were. Not a lot you can do about that. I can't give Wojo that same pass for Thursday. With the right game plan, that game was winnable..with the exception of Ja, MU was more talented at every spot on the floor.
Okey dokey.
How about the one in Milwaukee on on Dec. 21, when Buffalo was the No. 12 team in the nation and got to go up against an obviously terrible, horribly coached, unmitigated disaster of a team? Gave up 64 points in the second half and lost by 18. Gets a pass on that one, too, I guess.
Markus was impossibly hot, right? There was nothing Oats could have done about it.
That's probably true. It's also true that the only coach for whom "no excuses" applies is the Marquette coach.
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Okey dokey.
How about the one in Milwaukee on on Dec. 21, when Buffalo was the No. 12 team in the nation and got to go up against an obviously terrible, horribly coached, unmitigated disaster of a team? Gave up 64 points in the second half and lost by 18. Gets a pass on that one, too, I guess.
Markus was impossibly hot, right? There was nothing Oats could have done about it.
That's probably true. It's also true that the only coach for whom "no excuses" applies is the Marquette coach.
Buffalo was overrated when we played them. Had they been in a P6 conference, they’d be a bubble team and might not have made the tournament. Getting their asses kicked by us in a true road game when our best player had one of the hottest shooting nights many of us have ever seen was about right.
And for the record, I’d rather hire Warren Oates than Nate for the MU job. Nate might be a good high major coach in time, but let him have a few more strong years at his current school first.
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Buffalo was overrated when we played them. Had they been in a P6 conference, they’d be a bubble team and might not have made the tournament. Getting their asses kicked by us in a true road game when our best player had one of the hottest shooting nights many of us have ever seen was about right.
And for the record, I’d rather hire Warren Oates than Nate for the MU job. Nate might be a good high major coach in time, but let him have a few more strong years at his current school first.
Yeah...no.
If every team that gets blown out in a game is "overrated" then you might be lucky to have 4 teams that deserve to be "rated."
Buffalo was fantastic. They played a very bad half against a great team in the last game of their season. Weird how often we're seeing that this year.
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Buffalo was overrated when we played them. Had they been in a P6 conference, they’d be a bubble team and might not have made the tournament. Getting their asses kicked by us in a true road game when our best player had one of the hottest shooting nights many of us have ever seen was about right.
This is very reasonable, RR.
I do get a kick out of the "no excuses" crowd who find ways to make excuses for anybody not named Wojo, though. (Not saying that's you.)
I had some fun with this whole The Next Great Coach thing, but really maybe Oats will be a great major-level coach. Or not. We just don't know. He could be the next Bill Self (Tulsa to Illinois to Kansas) or the next Bob Dukiet (ugh). Most likely, he'd be something in between those extremes ... kinda like Shaka Smart has been so far for Texas.
Some folks here are so desperate to dump Wojo and replace him with anybody that they've elevated Oats to some kind of mythical creature -- the Unicorn of coaching prospects. Others think we can steal Tony Bennett from Virginia.
Fun stuff!
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Okey dokey.
How about the one in Milwaukee on on Dec. 21, when Buffalo was the No. 12 team in the nation and got to go up against an obviously terrible, horribly coached, unmitigated disaster of a team? Gave up 64 points in the second half and lost by 18. Gets a pass on that one, too, I guess.
Markus was impossibly hot, right? There was nothing Oats could have done about it.
That's probably true. It's also true that the only coach for whom "no excuses" applies is the Marquette coach.
This one's easy..On Dec 21st..Buffalo played a team that was more talented then them..and what happened that day was no surprise. Just like them losing tonight was no surprise..those things will USUALLY happen when you don't have as much talent as the team you're playing. Although..MU's last 7 games went against that particular statement. It shouldn't have..but it did.
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Yeah...no.
If every team that gets blown out in a game is "overrated" then you might be lucky to have 4 teams that deserve to be "rated."
Buffalo was fantastic. They played a very bad half against a great team in the last game of their season. Weird how often we're seeing that this year.
I didn’t say Buffalo was overrated because they got blown out. I said I thought they were overrated when they played us, which is to say they weren’t the 12th best team in the country.
Don’t get me wrong, they’re a blast to watch and I love their style of play. I also thought they were undersized and lacked depth, and would get beat by the first good high major team they faced in the Tourney. And that’s what happened.
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I didn’t say Buffalo was overrated because they got blown out. I said I thought they were overrated when they played us, which is to say they weren’t the 12th best team in the country.
Don’t get me wrong, they’re a blast to watch and I love their style of play. I also thought they were undersized and lacked depth, and would get beat by the first good high major team they faced in the Tourney. And that’s what happened.
I guess it was more the “they would’ve been a bubble team had they played in a P6 conference” that I couldn’t disagree with more. Personally I thought Buffalo was the best team we beat this season. And our non con included the Big 12 winner, a top 4 Big 10 team, and a team that beat Michigan State and UNC this year. They were very, very good. And TTU is a better version of them.
I think they would’ve won the Big East and PAC 12 this year and would’ve competed for a Big 12 title. Would’ve been about 5th in the ACC and 4th in the B1G. (Blindly guessing here. I wonder if those would be even close to where KenPom would have them falling).
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This one's easy..On Dec 21st..Buffalo played a team that was more talented then them..and what happened that day was no surprise. Just like them losing tonight was no surprise..those things will USUALLY happen when you don't have as much talent as the team you're playing. Although..MU's last 7 games went against that particular statement. It shouldn't have..but it did.
Yes, the last 23 days of the season (with the possible exception of March 14) really blew. Is anybody here disputing that?
Doesn't change the fact that the coach you can't stand spanked one of the superstar coaches you want to replace him.
Oh, and everything you said in this post sounded suspiciously like the kind of "excuse" you hate hearing from those who have the temerity to ever defend Wojo.
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Yes, the last 23 days of the season (with the possible exception of March 14) really blew. Is anybody here disputing that?
Doesn't change the fact that the coach you can't stand spanked one of the superstar coaches you want to replace him.
Oh, and everything you said in this post sounded suspiciously like the kind of "excuse" you hate hearing from those who have the temerity to ever defend Wojo.
Where did I ever say I want Oates to replace him? I'll pass..I want someone more seasoned and that has won at the highest level.
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Where did I ever say I want Oates to replace him? I'll pass..I want someone more seasoned and that has won at the highest level.
My apologies (seriously) for thinking you backed Oats as Wojo's replacement.
Which seasoned, winning, high-major coach do you want whom we actually could land?
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Buffalo was overrated when we played them. Had they been in a P6 conference, they’d be a bubble team and might not have made the tournament. Getting their asses kicked by us in a true road game when our best player had one of the hottest shooting nights many of us have ever seen was about right.
And for the record, I’d rather hire Warren Oates than Nate for the MU job. Nate might be a good high major coach in time, but let him have a few more strong years at his current school first.
How about Hall and Oates...or Johnny?
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This is very reasonable, RR.
I do get a kick out of the "no excuses" crowd who find ways to make excuses for anybody not named Wojo, though. (Not saying that's you.)
I had some fun with this whole The Next Great Coach thing, but really maybe Oats will be a great major-level coach. Or not. We just don't know. He could be the next Bill Self (Tulsa to Illinois to Kansas) or the next Bob Dukiet (ugh). Most likely, he'd be something in between those extremes ... kinda like Shaka Smart has been so far for Texas.
Some folks here are so desperate to dump Wojo and replace him with anybody that they've elevated Oats to some kind of mythical creature -- the Unicorn of coaching prospects. Others think we can steal Tony Bennett from Virginia.
Fun stuff!
This this this
All kinds of exceptions, except when our team in involved and the exceptions are no longer valid. Others get blown out, well their coach gets a pass. We get blown out, our coach sucks.
It is truly amazing
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Guess he did"nt have to call......
AD's were calling him.....
Solid hire by Alabama......
Has a little "good Buzz" in him......
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And TJ to UNLV
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If Oats calls? Roll Tide?
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Why are you calling us Nate, unless you're trying to lure Markus to Alabama.
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Congrats on the new gig. Now stop stalking me.
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I wouldn't have taken his call to begin with...wasn't interested even if MU's Coaching gig was open.
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Yes, let's do a home/home series.
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Curious how many are like me that potentially overvalue oats and otzelberger because of their local connections and therefore perceived potential for the marq job being a possible dream job for them?
Maybe not explaining myself as eloquently as I should but because of our stepping stone history I so want to have our own successful long term commitment guy (maybe it’s wojo, who knows) that I know I value the local connection too much. I don’t take it as far as overvaluing Wardle but heck right or wrong maybe some do and as a marq fan I get that viewpoint too.
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Why do I come back to this website
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Why do I come back to this website
It's a gift that keeps on giving...
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I mean, I'm not criticizing anyone here, but whenever the topic of next MU coaches comes up, I see names like Otzelberger, Oates, Wardle, and they were all mentioned the last time too. But, names like that are just so small time thinking. People don't think that a power 6 Coach would ever be interested in the MU job...that couldn't be further from the truth, there have been several(and I'm not talking small time guys like Cuonzo Martin), that have expressed interest in the MU job, especially after Crean left..Rick Barnes being one of them.
When it was open when Buzz left, the timing was bad for MU...everybody and their brother thought Shaka was getting it(and he HAD accepted), so when his wife nixed it, that left MU a bit in scramble mode.
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I mean, I'm not criticizing anyone here, but whenever the topic of next MU coaches comes up, I see names like Otzelberger, Oates, Wardle, and they were all mentioned the last time too. But, names like that are just so small time thinking. People don't think that a power 6 Coach would ever be interested in the MU job...that couldn't be further from the truth, there have been several(and I'm not talking small time guys like Cuonzo Martin), that have expressed interest in the MU job, especially after Crean left..Rick Barnes being one of them.
When it was open when Buzz left, the timing was bad for MU...everybody and their brother thought Shaka was getting it(and he HAD accepted), so when his wife nixed it, that left MU a bit in scramble mode.
Rick Barnes planted his name to save his job/ get more money at the next state school he was going to coach at. MU was a ploy
The TB story had legs OTOH.
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I get that guru. And if wojo and marq ever parted ways I’d want marq to knock on high major coaching doors. I’m not necessarily saying I’d for sure want oats or otzelberger. I’m just saying as a marq fan I feel like my emotional pendulum has swung me too far to the side of wanting a long term guy that I overvalue local connections stupidly thinking that means (assuming success) they’d want to stay at marq a long time. Just a fault of mine that I wanted to disclose 😀
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If Nate Oates callled....
Congratulations on your new gig at Alabama. Make sure you get out of town once and awhile as that big football in town casts a huge shadow... almost Ike an eclipse. You need a title bit of sunshine!
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<chuckles at people who legitimately thought Wojo would be fired and MU would hire Oats>
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Hi Nate. How are you?
Why did you sign a 5 year extension with Buffalo only to move on to ALABAMA after flaming out in the 2nd round? You do know that they play football in Alabama, right?
You remember Buffalo. They gave you a shot even though you had zero head coaching experience at any college. Oh well, money talks.
Do you not read Scoop? The Marquette job would have been available in a few days.
Character revealed?
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Hi Nate. How are you?
Why did you sign a 5 year extension with Buffalo only to move on to ALABAMA after flaming out in the 2nd round? You do know that they play football in Alabama, right?
You remember Buffalo. They gave you a shot even though you had zero head coaching experience at any college. Oh well, money talks.
Do you not read Scoop? The Marquette job would have been available in a few days.
Character revealed?
I too get mad at people when they take new jobs with better pay and better benefits.
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Hi Nate. How are you?
Why did you sign a 5 year extension with Buffalo only to move on to ALABAMA after flaming out in the 2nd round? You do know that they play football in Alabama, right?
You remember Buffalo. They gave you a shot even though you had zero head coaching experience at any college. Oh well, money talks.
Do you not read Scoop? The Marquette job would have been available in a few days.
Character revealed?
Hi Nate,
I know we had a great season and, as a mid-major, you are expected to be courted and hired at a higher paying, higher profile job. As a kind gesture to the school for the good times we had, could you please sign this "extension" which will essentially just increase the buyout your next school will undoubtedly pay on your behalf so we get something out this deal?
-Mark Alnutt, Buffalo Athletic Director
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I too get mad at people when they take new jobs with better pay and better benefits.
Follow the Money.