1. Seton Hall tightened up their defense in the second half. Attacking and doubling and trapping and closing out taking away the 3 from Sam. Nice adjustment. Locking Sam down won them the game.
2. There was no way Markus was going to the basket very often after he came back. SHU knew it and just kept running him off the line. And they did not give him a call when he did drive. That wrist injury sure did not help. Markus wasn't really forcing before he got hurt, but he was certainly tentative after his return. Even his free throw shooting was off.
3. The refs. I try not to blame them. Tonight, they were poor enough they became an issue. Even that tech on Willard was a terrible call. And their ineptitude contributed to the chaos. And they still couldn't get the calls right on that.
5. Powell had heated up before the chaos. While being guarded well. And he was still on the floor after the chaos. Astounding.
6. Sometimes, Joey is such a freshman. The good and the bad, the brilliant and the dumb. The best thing is that he will become a sophomore.
7. I like that MU matched SHU's intensity and physicality. But sometimes they have to know when to walk away. Don't let the temper in the moment get the best of you. If one team goes nuts and the other one goes icy, I will bet on the icy one every time.
8. I thought Heldt should have played the rest of the first half after Morrow and Theo both had two. He is more than adequate for 2:43 with the other two in foul trouble. As he showed in the second half.
9. Foul trouble and ejections led to some messed up line ups. Whine about Cain, whine about Chartouny, but with what was available, what were Wojo's options?
10. Got some good looks as SHU made their runs. Joey missed two FT's and a 3, Markus missed an open 3, missed offensive rebounds.
11. Down the stretch, SHU was the icy aggressive team. The fracas focused and energized them. Ergo...
12. I really hate SHU. But I had a feeling when Powell was not ejected that this would be the outcome. Markus hurt. Two ejections. Foul trouble. In the end, too much to overcome. MU had their chances. But could not get the big play they needed. I'm frustrated and pissed, but after the fracas, this was how it was going to end.
powell>>>>> howard. ball game
I'm a cardholding "Fire Wojo" Wojo hater, but I don't think you can necessarily blame him for this loss. Powell went Super Saiyan and the referees dictated the flow for the last 10 minutes - nothing you can do about that. My only critique is that I wish he would have had the team attack the rim more with all of Seton Hall's lineup at 4 fouls. However, that's not the strength of the team (which, now that I'm typing it - is at least indirectly Wojo's fault?). Whatever, we weren't meant to win the BET this year.
Sam Hauser is our best player
Markus better realize it next year
He is the least clutch go to player ive ever watched
Is this how Kentucky felt after Laettner hit that shot?
Howard needs to look to pass A LOT more on his drives. Awful
Sam deserved the ball a lot more
You can debate the refs all day, but again inside 4 mins MU...
Struggled to get stops
Couldn't clear their boards
Lost every 50-50 ball
Unfortunately, this trend is going to lead to a very short NCAA appearance.
Would have been nice to have gotten those 3 SH guys fouled out about 3-4 minutes earlier.
You guys are hysterical. And wrong. But rationality isn't a thing after a game like this. So, vent away.
I don't think I've been more pissed off at a game in my life.
Anybody know of any good boxing gyms on the Northside of Chicago? Need to let out some aggression on the heavy bag.
no blame on wojo from me-he played it fine. how many winning plays did vander blue, djo, etc. make as guards at end of games. howard doesn't make those plays
Quote from: tower912 on March 15, 2019, 11:23:31 PM
You guys are hysterical. And wrong. But rationality isn't a thing after a game like this. So, vent away.
Your patronizing is sure gonna help.
It was brought up earlier that MU should attack Powell because he had 4 fouls. No way the officials call the 5th on Powell in the last 5 minutes. Absolute joke.
The dumb here is really stunning
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 15, 2019, 11:21:00 PM
I'm a cardholding "Fire Wojo" Wojo hater, but I don't think you can necessarily blame him for this loss. Powell went Super Saiyan and the referees dictated the flow for the last 10 minutes - nothing you can do about that. My only critique is that I wish he would have had the team attack the rim more with all of Seton Hall's lineup at 4 fouls. However, that's not the strength of the team (which, now that I'm typing it - is at least indirectly Wojo's fault?). Whatever, we weren't meant to win the BET this year.
Wojo deserves a Nobel Peace Prize for not getting himself ejected
Quote from: tower912 on March 15, 2019, 11:23:31 PM
You guys are hysterical. And wrong. But rationality isn't a thing after a game like this. So, vent away.
What are they wrong about?
I disliked Seton Hall before this game. Even more so now. The handshake line skirmish sealed it. unnatural carnal knowledge powell.
I'm a big Wojo fan, but why didn't we foul with 38 seconds left? Seton Hall had theee back ups in and Markus was getting to the line at will the last 2 minutes. Why not continue the free throw shooting contest?
Quote from: RJax55 on March 15, 2019, 11:23:10 PM
You can debate the refs all day, but again inside 4 mins MU...
Struggled to get stops
Couldn't clear their boards
Lost every 50-50 ball
Unfortunately, this trend is going to lead to a very short NCAA appearance.
Second weekend would be an absolute miracle at this point.
Crazy game, crazy statistics, crazy. Some crazy posters also.
Markus 1 for 15 from field. Free Throws 18 for 24. Has he ever shot worse in his career. No. Injury is to non shooting hand, but who knows.
SH free throws: 26 for 44 59% Total fouls 30
MU free throws: 29 for 41 70% Total fouls 27
MU missed 9 free throws down the stretch. Nine. Ball game.
Joe C. was terrible as was Cain. Cain looks lost, afraid, something, and he should have let that ball go out of bounds, but made a foul. But it is what it is. Better next year.
Why Wojo didn't call time out at end. Believe 5.9 seconds, throw it in, .5 seconds. Set up play at half court. I don't know, just strange game. Maybe stay a 5 seed, but probable 6 now.
Wojo just said it was craziest game ever seen.
Quote from: warriorfred on March 15, 2019, 11:24:40 PM
It was brought up earlier that MU should attack Powell because he had 4 fouls. No way the officials call the 5th on Powell in the last 5 minutes. Absolute joke.
He actually did commit a foul in there if you remember, it just wasn't called. It was on a Rowsey-style pump 3 and the refs let it go for some reason.
And I'm not saying that I expect that to always be called but it was a foul, and it was a game where there were 50 fouls so I assumed we'd get the call there as it was fairly obvious.
The mixture of blatant missed calls as well as false positives in this game was just perplexing. Truly unusual, as Wojo said.
Quote from: marquette09 on March 15, 2019, 11:27:20 PM
I'm a big Wojo fan, but why didn't we foul with 38 seconds left? Seton Hall had theee back ups in and Markus was getting to the line at will the last 2 minutes. Why not continue the free throw shooting contest?
He wanted to defend and get the rebound. In the end what you want is the ball with the chance to win or tie. He got that.
I get that the refs were awful and the ejections bad luck etc. But my god this game really sucked the life out of me. This season has turned to a complete disaster at the blink of an eye. Its just sad. If they dont win one next week it may be the most disappointing years in a long time. Not blaming wojo. Not saying anything by holy f*ck guys.. this has been deflating. Seton hall can f their cocky asses.
Quote from: tower912 on March 15, 2019, 11:18:22 PM
1. Seton Hall tightened up their defense in the second half. Attacking and doubling and trapping and closing out taking away the 3 from Sam. Nice adjustment. Locking Sam down won them the game.
2. There was no way Markus was going to the basket very often after he came back. SHU knew it and just kept running him off the line. And they did not give him a call when he did drive. That wrist injury sure did not help. Markus wasn't really forcing before he got hurt, but he was certainly tentative after his return. Even his free throw shooting was off.
3. The refs. I try not to blame them. Tonight, they were poor enough they became an issue. Even that tech on Willard was a terrible call. And their ineptitude contributed to the chaos. And they still couldn't get the calls right on that.
5. Powell had heated up before the chaos. While being guarded well. And he was still on the floor after the chaos. Astounding.
6. Sometimes, Joey is such a freshman. The good and the bad, the brilliant and the dumb. The best thing is that he will become a sophomore.
7. I like that MU matched SHU's intensity and physicality. But sometimes they have to know when to walk away. Don't let the temper in the moment get the best of you. If one team goes nuts and the other one goes icy, I will bet on the icy one every time.
8. I thought Heldt should have played the rest of the first half after Morrow and Theo both had two. He is more than adequate for 2:43 with the other two in foul trouble. As he showed in the second half.
9. Foul trouble and ejections led to some messed up line ups. Whine about Cain, whine about Chartouny, but with what was available, what were Wojo's options?
10. Got some good looks as SHU made their runs. Joey missed two FT's and a 3, Markus missed an open 3, missed offensive rebounds.
11. Down the stretch, SHU was the icy aggressive team. The fracas focused and energized them. Ergo...
12. I really hate SHU. But I had a feeling when Powell was not ejected that this would be the outcome. Markus hurt. Two ejections. Foul trouble. In the end, too much to overcome. MU had their chances. But could not get the big play they needed. I'm frustrated and pissed, but after the fracas, this was how it was going to end.
Tower, this is spot on except for #7. You suggest MU got drawn into the scrum but I'd say it was the opposite—oddly enough it was Theo who exemplified that (calmly walking away after being pushed, trying to pull Sacad away, basically being a chill mofo). The team handled some real "injustices" like seasoned pros.
Quote from: marquette09 on March 15, 2019, 11:27:20 PM
I'm a big Wojo fan, but why didn't we foul with 38 seconds left? Seton Hall had theee back ups in and Markus was getting to the line at will the last 2 minutes. Why not continue the free throw shooting contest?
We played straight up D, got them to miss and didn't get the rebound. Everything worked except the rebound part.
Quote from: tower912 on March 15, 2019, 11:23:31 PM
You guys are hysterical. And wrong. But rationality isn't a thing after a game like this. So, vent away.
In what way was anything I pointed out wrong?
Quote from: Mike Deane's Seat Belt on March 15, 2019, 11:27:33 PM
Second weekend would be an absolute miracle at this point.
And if we get there you will complain and bitch, but celebrate when we lose because of the great diehard fan you are.
That absolute stone from tooney at the end should be the last jump shot of his career.
Quote from: Babybluejeans on March 15, 2019, 11:30:47 PM
Tower, this is spot on except for #7. You suggest MU got drawn into the scrum but I'd say it was the opposite—oddly enough it was Theo who exemplified that (calmly walking away after being pushed, trying to pull Sacad away, basically being a chill mofo). The team handled some real "injustices" like seasoned pros.
Sacar needed to walk away. Yes, Theo was chill.
Quote from: Cheeks on March 15, 2019, 11:30:53 PM
We played straight up D, got them to miss and didn't get the rebound. Everything worked except the rebound part.
And even then it still almost worked.
Quote from: tower912 on March 15, 2019, 11:23:31 PM
You guys are hysterical. And wrong. But rationality isn't a thing after a game like this. So, vent away.
I agree with you, I thought they competed their asses off with guys playing crunch time that aren't normally getting those minutes. I think we go sweet sixteen, we're ready to rumble.
Quote from: Johnny B on March 15, 2019, 11:30:30 PM
I get that the refs were awful and the ejections bad luck etc. But my god this game really sucked the life out of me. This season has turned to a complete disaster at the blink of an eye. Its just sad. If they dont win one next week it may be the most disappointing years in a long time. Not blaming wojo. Not saying anything by holy f*ck guys.. this has been deflating. Seton hall can f their cocky asses.
+1 million. I'm just so pissed and dead inside. Suddenly a real Arby's season.
Quote from: tower912 on March 15, 2019, 11:32:10 PM
Sacar needed to walk away. Yes, Theo was chill.
Not correct - mental toughness, swagger, grit is something this team lacks in the aggregate. Whose fault that is? I don't know. Theo and Sacar have those qualities and they actually help the composure of the team in the long run. Sacar did nothing wrong on the first or second technicals - he left himself at the mercy of the judge, jury, and executioner - the referee. The wrong decision was made - what can you do?
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 15, 2019, 11:29:03 PM
He wanted to defend and get the rebound. In the end what you want is the ball with the chance to win or tie. He got that.
in a tie game. In a game where you're losing you want to extend the clock as much as possible. Especially when it's been working so well recently. It was a bad decision.
Quote from: Mike Deane's Seat Belt on March 15, 2019, 11:32:03 PM
That absolute stone from tooney at the end should be the last jump shot of his career.
Talk about hero ball. I think he'd been dreaming of that going in for some time.
Quote from: TJ on March 15, 2019, 11:35:50 PM
in a tie game. In a game where you're losing you want to extend the clock as much as possible. Especially when it's been working so well recently. It was a bad decision.
Well it worked. So...
Quote from: tower912 on March 15, 2019, 11:32:10 PM
Sacar needed to walk away. Yes, Theo was chill.
This is a really good point. If Sacar has more control over his mouth and attitude, no techs, no ejection, MU wins.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 15, 2019, 11:35:35 PM
Not correct - mental toughness, swagger, grit is something this team lacks in the aggregate. Whose fault that is? I don't know. Theo and Sacar have those qualities and they actually help the composure of the team in the long run. Sacar did nothing wrong on the first or second technicals - he left himself at the mercy of the judge, jury, and executioner - the referee. The wrong decision was made - what can you do?
Grit and toughness isn't about getting involved in a fracas when you have a technical already. That was dumb. Grit and toughness is walking away so you can defend the rest of the game.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 15, 2019, 11:37:29 PM
This is a really good point. If Sacar has more control over his mouth and attitude, no techs, no ejection, MU wins.
I'm really more concerned with his first T. If he had just turned away from Powell and smiled to himself, we wouldn't have had to worry about the second T.
He should have walked away there too, but I don't think that one was deserved at all.
Quote from: D'Lo Brown on March 15, 2019, 11:35:55 PM
Talk about hero ball. I think he'd been dreaming of that going in for some time.
These are great takes - totally disappointing today and the entire season.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 15, 2019, 11:35:35 PM
Not correct - mental toughness, swagger, grit is something this team lacks in the aggregate. Whose fault that is? I don't know. Theo and Sacar have those qualities and they actually help the composure of the team in the long run. Sacar did nothing wrong on the first or second technicals - he left himself at the mercy of the judge, jury, and executioner - the referee. The wrong decision was made - what can you do?
he did something wrong on the 2nd T - he got himself in an opposing players face when he had already been T'd up earlier in the game. Swagger and attitude are great the first time in a game, but he was basically asking to be thrown out there.
Quote from: forgetful on March 15, 2019, 11:38:51 PM
I'm really more concerned with his first T. If he had just turned away from Powell and smiled to himself, we wouldn't have had to worry about the second T.
He should have walked away there too, but I don't think that one was deserved at all.
Personally, I don't think so. That felt like a double T situation no matter what
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 15, 2019, 11:38:22 PM
Grit and toughness isn't about getting involved in a fracas when you have a technical already. That was dumb. Grit and toughness is walking away so you can defend the rest of the game.
There's a lot to be said for standing up for yourself and your team. I don't like this cliched take. You've been listening to too many B- color guys.
Very simple. We make our free throws we win the game. We blew it. But I'll agree, the refs were horrendous.
Quote from: TJ on March 15, 2019, 11:40:27 PM
did we win? I must have missed it.
No. But we had the ball with a chance to win or tie. That's exactly what you play for.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 15, 2019, 11:40:38 PM
There's a lot to be said for standing up for yourself and your team. I don't like this cliched take. You've been listening to too many B- color guys.
So you're saying Sacar was standing up while watching the end of the game in the locker room?
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 15, 2019, 11:34:47 PM
+1 million. I'm just so pissed and dead inside. Suddenly a real Arby's season.
Thought it was funny you plus one million'd this, but locked my Four Letter Words thread.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 15, 2019, 11:40:38 PM
There's a lot to be said for standing up for yourself and your team. I don't like this cliched take. You've been listening to too many B- color guys.
"Standing up for your team" is the biggest cliche ever. He was in trouble and didn't have the discipline to walk away. That's a negative.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 15, 2019, 11:41:33 PM
No. But we had the ball with a chance to win or tie. That's exactly what you play for.
rofl... after we fouled them anyway! Dude, this is crazy.
1) Markus has to realize he cannot do it himself. Sam Hauser is every bit the free throw shooter (and probably would have been better tonight on the free throw line at T-time) and should have been set up for the final shot.
2) The refs were awful. As in Ohio State 1971 awful. But we had our chances and blew it.
3) Thought Wojo showed a lot of class in his presser afterward. Stayed away from the obvious questions about the refs and hinted about his feelings, but left the listener to realize what he felt.
4) May be better off with a few extra days off, but it would have been nice to won the conference.
5) Seton Hell is a bunch of thugs. Hoping Villanova takes it to them early and often. Crush them!
1. We should have taken it inside every time when they were playing a lineup of 4 fouls almost across the board.
2. I wanted us to foul with 30-40 seconds left and keep extending the game, especially since Markus was getting whistles on every bump.
3. Sacar has to be smarter than to step up like that with a T already.
Those were the bad decisions. There was some bad execution, some bad luck, and some bad refereeing (sorry to get so extreme there), but those three decisions are what bother me.
Rest up, ice up, win two next week.
Quote from: tower912 on March 15, 2019, 11:23:31 PM
You guys are hysterical. And wrong. But rationality isn't a thing after a game like this. So, vent away.
You're right. Everything went against us. Worst refs in years.
And we still had a chance to win.
But throw aside the refs, the offensive boards given up, the missed FTs - the story was Powell outplayed Marcus - of course Powell should not even have been in the game after he tried to hurt Sacar.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 15, 2019, 11:41:33 PM
No. But we had the ball with a chance to win or tie. That's exactly what you play for.
we were gaining on them with every possession and then decided when down 1 to shorten the game by three possessions and hope for a rebound we didn't get. Then we ran out of time. It didn't work.
Quote from: Cheeks on March 15, 2019, 11:30:53 PM
We played straight up D, got them to miss and didn't get the rebound. Everything worked except the rebound part.
You mean half of the second half posessions?
Quote from: TJ on March 15, 2019, 11:45:50 PM
we were gaining on them with every possession and then decided when down 1 to shorten the game by three possession and hope for a rebound we didn't get instead. It didn't work.
It did. But I'm done trying to get you to understand how wrong you are.
Quote from: MUEng92 on March 15, 2019, 11:42:09 PM
So you're saying Sacar was standing up while watching the end of the game in the locker room?
As I said - he left himself at the mercy of the judge, jury, and executioner. The wrong decision was made. He made it clear that this team doesn't take crap. Quantifiable? No. But that attitude; knowing that you have that guy on your team; should make you wanna run through a brick wall.
Let's also remember the BET is not the end of our season. The effects of his/Theo's actions have not been fully realized.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 15, 2019, 11:35:35 PM
Not correct - mental toughness, swagger, grit is something this team lacks in the aggregate. Whose fault that is? I don't know. Theo and Sacar have those qualities and they actually help the composure of the team in the long run. Sacar did nothing wrong on the first or second technicals - he left himself at the mercy of the judge, jury, and executioner - the referee. The wrong decision was made - what can you do?
Hus first tech, stupidly he got in powells face and taunted him after they called the flagrant on powell. Might have cost us tge game. Stupid. Then did it again
Quote from: TJ on March 15, 2019, 11:45:50 PM
we were gaining on them with every possession and then decided when down 1 to shorten the game by three possessions and hope for a rebound we didn't get. Then we ran out of time. It didn't work.
I actually agree with this. As it happened, I didn't like wojo giving the command to stop fouling
MU was in the bonus with about 5 min left in the 1st half. MU didn't score in the last 3:52. That is on Wojo.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on March 15, 2019, 11:48:55 PM
Hus first tech, stupidly he got in powells face and taunted him after they called the flagrant on powell. Might have cost us tge game. Stupid. Then did it again
Wrong, cliched take. I'll die on this hill - along with Sacar and Theo.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 15, 2019, 11:37:01 PM
Well it worked. So...
I still don't think it was the right strategy. I would rather be down 3 with 38 seconds left and extend the game then be down by 1 (or in this case 2) with 7.5 seconds left. Just because it worked doesn't mean it was right.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 15, 2019, 11:50:07 PM
Wrong, cliched take. I'll die on this hill - along with Sacar and Theo.
In the locker room. Where you are useless. Good take.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 15, 2019, 11:50:07 PM
Wrong, cliched take. I'll die on this hill - along with Sacar and Theo.
So you are actually saying Sacar did more good standing in the locker room, ejected, than still playing if he'd kept his cool? Really?
I really enjoy this team but they are simply not tough enuff. How many times in tge last ten minutes did we not foul SH or give up an offensive rebound? Not very many times.
Just not tough enuff physically n then layed nothing but bricks at ft line, mentally.
Great leap forward this year but long way from champions.
Quote from: MUDish on March 15, 2019, 11:42:18 PM
Thought it was funny you plus one million'd this, but locked my Four Letter Words thread.
Honestly, that was more to keep it tidy. We pay Scoop's hamsters by the new thread.
Quote from: muhoops1 on March 15, 2019, 11:49:19 PM
MU was in the bonus with about 5 min left in the 1st half. MU didn't score in the last 3:52. That is on Wojo.
Is that the stretch with Markus, Joey, and Theo on the bench, Cain on the floor, and Bailey not hitting open shots? Yeah. Wojo.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 15, 2019, 11:53:48 PM
Honestly, that was more to keep it tidy. We pay Scoop's hamsters by the new thread.
I wasn't mad at all, I honestly thought it was funny.
Quote from: Johnny B on March 15, 2019, 11:30:30 PM
I get that the refs were awful and the ejections bad luck etc. But my god this game really sucked the life out of me. This season has turned to a complete disaster at the blink of an eye. Its just sad. If they dont win one next week it may be the most disappointing years in a long time. Not blaming wojo. Not saying anything by holy f*ck guys.. this has been deflating. Seton hall can f their cocky asses.
Ejections are not bad luck.
We lose our best individual defender. And our best interior defender/rim protector (and a top rebounder). Plus Markus was pretty severely limited by injury.
And we lost by 2 on the road while SH got to keep their best player on the floor (because he didn't receive the initial flagrant 2 he should have and then a flagrant + tech is not equivalent to 2 techs)
Weird reactions from fans.
I honestly can't believe a flagrant 1 on its own combined with a technical on its own is not an ejection. It's absurd.
Quote from: We R Final Four on March 15, 2019, 11:55:51 PM
Ejections are not bad luck.
Not getting ejected for throwing a deliberate elbow is definitely good luck.
Quote from: tower912 on March 15, 2019, 11:23:31 PM
You guys are hysterical. And wrong. But rationality isn't a thing after a game like this. So, vent away.
Being irrational is so yesterday. (Actually, two days ago).
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on March 15, 2019, 11:52:48 PM
I really enjoy this team but they are simply not tough enuff. How many times in tge last ten minutes did we not foul SH or give up an offensive rebound? Not very many times.
Just not tough enuff physically n then layed nothing but bricks at ft line, mentally.
Great leap forward this year but long way from champions.
Yep. Obviously the refs and bs double standard ejections were huge, but this team and particularly Markus wilted under the pressure. Again. For the 4th time in 5 games with the exception being a game that wasn't close. Whatever poise and magic we had earlier this year in crunch time has disappeared
Having an injured wrist and wilting under pressure are not the same thing.
Also. Markus was absolutely fouled on the last shot.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 16, 2019, 12:26:48 AM
Having an injured wrist and wilting under pressure are not the same thing.
If his shot was that severely affected then he was being selfish controlling the ball as much as he did and taking the last shot. Or his shot wasn't affected and he just wilted under the pressure. It's one or the other
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 16, 2019, 12:27:31 AM
Also. Markus was absolutely fouled on the last shot.
Eh, I watched it again and I don' think so. He might have gotten fouled by Reynolds dribbling up the court but I didn't see any contact on the shot.
Now he was absolutely fouled by Powell on a three pointer earlier in the game.
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 16, 2019, 12:29:49 AM
If his shot was that severely affected then he was being selfish controlling the ball as much as he did and taking the last shot. Or his shot wasn't affected and he just wilted under the pressure. It's one or the other
His "selfishly controlling the ball" got him to the line 24 times and fouled out multiple Pirates. Seton Hall keyed in on Sam in the second half and he was rarely open. Anim was gone, Theo was gone, Joey was gone for all but a minute. Who exactly did you want taking these shots?
I went back and watched the last play. Ed tries to set a screen but just gets in the way. Markus had maybe .1 second window to pass it to Sam but #2 for Seton Hall was sitting in the passing lane and it would have been risky.
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 16, 2019, 12:27:31 AM
Also. Markus was absolutely fouled on the last shot.
I didn't think so. I thought it was clean, if anything a slight tap on fingers after the ball was gone. Play on for sure. But I haven't watched 100 replays either, so I can't be sure.
I know the officials are supposed to call it the same all 40 minutes but there's a small chance that call gets made in the first 39 minutes but there was absolutely zero chance of that call happening in that situation.
Quote from: TJ on March 16, 2019, 12:38:46 AM
I didn't think so. I thought it was clean, if anything a slight tap on fingers after the ball was gone. Play on for sure. But I haven't watched 100 replays either, so I can't be sure.
I know the officials are supposed to call it the same all 40 minutes but there's a small chance that call gets made in the first 39 minutes but there was absolutely zero chance of that call happening in that situation.
Unless you're Theo John.
Quote from: warriorfred on March 16, 2019, 12:41:45 AM
Unless you're Theo John.
of course unless you're Theo John. That goes without saying. :)
He does seem to get breathing fouls, but he also jumps into guys too much. What I don't understand is why he doesn't average 5 fouls a game. Sitting him the rest of the way does as much good as letting him play 2 more minutes until he fouls out. What is Wojo saving them for? Every game?
Really sorry if it's been discussed but we had a full TO in the pocket on that last play. Was it a good call to let them play or think we should have called it?
Quote from: TJ on March 16, 2019, 12:38:46 AM
I didn't think so. I thought it was clean, if anything a slight tap on fingers after the ball was gone. Play on for sure. But I haven't watched 100 replays either, so I can't be sure.
I know the officials are supposed to call it the same all 40 minutes but there's a small chance that call gets made in the first 39 minutes but there was absolutely zero chance of that call happening in that situation.
He definitely got hit...but a ref would never call that at the end of a half or game...oh wait...
Quote from: AirPunch on March 16, 2019, 12:46:15 AM
Really sorry if it's been discussed but we had a full TO in the pocket on that last play. Was it a good call to let them play or think we should have called it?
I was hoping for Wojo to call the TO, but I don't blame him either way for making his choice.
Quote from: AirPunch on March 16, 2019, 12:46:15 AM
Really sorry if it's been discussed but we had a full TO in the pocket on that last play. Was it a good call to let them play or think we should have called it?
Calling a timeout means you let them setup their D, means we have to inbound ball because no more timeouts left. We got a good look, can't complain.
Only problem with the last shot was Markus taking it
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 16, 2019, 12:46:48 AM
He definitely got hit...but a ref would never call that at the end of a half or game...oh wait...
again, I didn't think so.
I also thought Theo committed the foul with time still on the clock. I wish they would have understood situation and let it go - many refs would have - but I didn't complain much about it. I honestly thought Matt should have been playing anyway. Or Sacar - why did he have to sit 10 minutes with 2 fouls while Theo plays with 2. Was he being punished? Punish him tomorrow.
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 16, 2019, 12:50:23 AM
Only problem with the last shot was Markus taking it
Yeah, I mean having your leading scorer and the Big East player of the Year taking your last shot.....dreadful.....
Quote from: Cheeks on March 16, 2019, 12:53:02 AM
Yeah, I mean having your leading scorer and the Big East player of the Year taking your last shot.....dreadful.....
I mean he was severely hampered with an injury, no? Pretty sure you're certain he was? Please correct me if I'm wrong
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 16, 2019, 12:54:13 AM
I mean he was severely hampered with an injury, no? Pretty sure you're certain he was?
Yup, injured and had a bad game....but he had an open look. I can't pretend to know if anyone else that was shooting makes it, as much as people like to play that game.
Quote from: Cheeks on March 16, 2019, 12:55:21 AM
Yup, injured and had a bad game....but he had an open look. I can't pretend to know if anyone else that was shooting makes it, as much as people like to play that game.
Right. So probably not the guy to take the last shot. Like I said.
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 16, 2019, 12:54:13 AM
I mean he was severely hampered with an injury, no? Pretty sure you're certain he was? Please correct me if I'm wrong
His best option to pass to was BB in the corner, who had previously airballed 2 corner threes earlier. Sad part is...this was the best shot.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 16, 2019, 01:01:38 AM
His best option to pass to was BB in the corner, who had previously airballed 2 corner threes earlier. Sad part is...this was the best shot.
That's funny. Actually Sam was waving his arms for the ball and had a good look
Who cares? None of them were going to step up. The SHU fans behind us would respond "Down Five" when we would chant "We are". No one in this league respects us because we're soft.
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 16, 2019, 12:02:01 AM
We lose our best individual defender. And our best interior defender/rim protector (and a top rebounder). Plus Markus was pretty severely limited by injury.
And we lost by 2 on the road while SH got to keep their best player on the floor (because he didn't receive the initial flagrant 2 he should have and then a flagrant + tech is not equivalent to 2 techs)
Weird reactions from fans.
It was an historically poorly officiated game. 99% of people on the internet and on TV agree. MU is the better team and will be a higher seed than SHU. Don't let internet idiots confuse you as being fans.
Wojo is growing as a coach. This will be a great coaching experience, but very tough to swallow.
Seton Hall did nothing wrong tonight but their coach was almost apologetic in the post game interview.
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 16, 2019, 01:02:46 AM
That's funny. Actually Sam was waving his arms for the ball and had a good look
Watch it again. It's not just about being open, it's about having a clear pass as well. Ed tries to set a screen but just gets in the way, blocking any pass between Markus and Sam. There maybe was a .1 second window where a pass was possible but #2 for Seton Hall was sitting in the passing lane, would have been risky. Plus, Sam would have gotten the ball with about 1.5 seconds and he was still 5-10 feet behind the 3 pt line.
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 16, 2019, 01:02:46 AM
That's funny. Actually Sam was waving his arms for the ball and had a good look
Interesting. I missed that. Well, if that was the case and the passing lane was there, definitely the shot.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 16, 2019, 01:14:58 AM
Watch it again. It's not just about being open, it's about having a clear pass as well. Ed tries to set a screen but just gets in the way, blocking any pass between Markus and Sam. There maybe was a .1 second window where a pass was possible but #2 for Seton Hall was sitting in the passing lane, would have been risky. Plus, Sam would have gotten the ball with about 1.5 seconds and he was still 5-10 feet behind the 3 pt line.
Yeah the problem was it looked like Markus made up his mind as soon as he got the ball that he was shooting it. He took his time getting up court and seemed to have a one track mind
Quote from: muhoops1 on March 16, 2019, 01:04:38 AM
Who cares? None of them were going to step up. The SHU fans behind us would respond "Down Five" when we would chant "We are". No one in this league respects us because we're soft.
You sure do hate this Marquette team. "We're soft." What exactly does that mean? Too many student-athletes? No thugs? Not athletic enough ... too many white guys?
Quote from: WarriorHal on March 16, 2019, 01:53:14 AM
You sure do hate this Marquette team. "We're soft." What exactly does that mean? Too many student-athletes? No thugs? Not athletic enough ... too many white guys?
I think it means he's a SHU troll.
Quote from: Babybluejeans on March 15, 2019, 11:30:47 PM
Tower, this is spot on except for #7. You suggest MU got drawn into the scrum but I'd say it was the opposite—oddly enough it was Theo who exemplified that (calmly walking away after being pushed, trying to pull Sacad away, basically being a chill mofo). The team handled some real "injustices" like seasoned pros.
Theo calmly walked away because he knew he was "guilty" of putting his hands on an airborne player. It wasn't much but he did, and that is an auto ejection if called. Zero chance in my opinion that Theo is that calm in that situation otherwise. Powell seemed to fly into the air mostly on his own. Almost nothing from Sacar there. And, the only player Powell was ulset with at that moment was Theo, not Sacar. Powell's emotions got him a few calls. That's poor officiatingto be affected by that.
Quote from: marquette09 on March 15, 2019, 11:27:20 PM
I'm a big Wojo fan, but why didn't we foul with 38 seconds left? Seton Hall had theee back ups in and Markus was getting to the line at will the last 2 minutes. Why not continue the free throw shooting contest?
This has happened a few times this season. I believe it was 38 seconds vs 26 seconds on the shot clock. Puts a lot of pressure on getting the stop, as well as the all important rebound.
Quote from: shoothoops on March 16, 2019, 07:12:01 AM
Theo calmly walked away because he knew he was "guilty" of putting his hands on an airborne player. It wasn't much but he did, and that is an auto ejection if called. Zero chance in my opinion that Theo is that calm in that situation otherwise. Powell seemed to fly into the air mostly on his own. Almost nothing from Sacar there. And, the only player Powell was ulset with at that moment was Theo, not Sacar. Powell's emotions got him a few calls. That's poor officiatingto be affected by that.
Nah. Theo was calm the way someone's calm when the the person coming at them poses no real threat at all.
One trait I wish Markus had a little more was the Rousey esque ability to pump fake and force contact with the defender, espcially from deep. Even when initiated by the offensive player, the foul gets called a great deal lf the time in the college game. It isn't something Howard looks for enough in his game on the perimeter. It can come handy from time to time, especially when being overplayed from deep and needing a bailout.
For the team, turnovers, not being strong with the basketball, valuing the basketball each possession, was a big problem in the first half especially. Long been a pattern. These are both soft/loose passes or ill advised passes, along with ball handling under pressure.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 15, 2019, 11:21:00 PM
I'm a cardholding "Fire Wojo" Wojo hater, but I don't think you can necessarily blame him for this loss. Powell went Super Saiyan and the referees dictated the flow for the last 10 minutes - nothing you can do about that. My only critique is that I wish he would have had the team attack the rim more with all of Seton Hall's lineup at 4 fouls. However, that's not the strength of the team (which, now that I'm typing it - is at least indirectly Wojo's fault?). Whatever, we weren't meant to win the BET this year.
so, are you writing that you want Coach Wojo fired, really? why?
goinUptown
They lost...bottom line. 5 of the last 6. What started as a potentially magical season, has gone downhill quickly. Seems to be no answers for it either. Love the tourney, but their spiral has really REALLY killed my enthusiasm. I will watch and root for them, but not expecting much at this point. Never seen a team fall so hard...so fast. Guess who that's on?? Everyone's wonder boy...Wojo. You all love the fact he brings in "good kids"...well...this is what a team of good kids gets you..no toughness, no physicality...just incredibly soft. And that equates to losing games. Seton Hall knew their chippyness and chirping would get into MU's heads because EVERYONE knows they are soft and mentally weak based on the meltdowns in the last 5 minutes of games. Guess what?? they were absolutely right, and it worked...to perfection for them.
What kind of meltdown is this team going to have if they are down in the last 5 minutes in the tourney when the stage is bigger, the lights are brighter, and you win or go home?? I shudder to think about that. Never want to see a season end...but this one..the way it's spiraled out of control...I just want this bad taste and dead feeling I have to go away..
Quote from: muguru on March 16, 2019, 07:53:32 AM
They lost...bottom line. 5 of the last 6. What started as a potentially magical season, has gone downhill quickly. Seems to be no answers for it either. Love the tourney, but their spiral has really REALLY killed my enthusiasm. I will watch and root for them, but not expecting much at this point. Never seen a team fall so hard...so fast. Guess who that's on?? Everyone's wonder boy...Wojo. You all love the fact he brings in "good kids"...well...this is what a team of good kids gets you..no toughness, no physicality...just incredibly soft. And that equates to losing games. Seton Hall knew their chippyness and chirping would get into MU's heads because EVERYONE knows they are soft and mentally weak based on the meltdowns in the last 5 minutes of games. Guess what?? they were absolutely right, and it worked...to perfection for them.
What kind of meltdown is this team going to have if they are down in the last 5 minutes in the tourney when the stage is bigger, the lights are brighter, and you win or go home?? I shudder to think about that. Never want to see a season end...but this one..the way it's spiraled out of control...I just want this bad taste and dead feeling I have to go away..
And that is all on Wojo...his team, his players, his "adjustments".
MU played the last several minutes without 3 starters and with Markus playing one handed. There weren't many options to be had.
Quote from: muhoops1 on March 16, 2019, 01:04:38 AM
Who cares? None of them were going to step up. The SHU fans behind us would respond "Down Five" when we would chant "We are". No one in this league respects us because we're soft.
Well nobody on this board respects you, so in that way, maybe you are the Marquette of scoop. You've become what you hate.
Quote from: muguru on March 16, 2019, 07:53:32 AM
They lost...bottom line. 5 of the last 6. What started as a potentially magical season, has gone downhill quickly. Seems to be no answers for it either. Love the tourney, but their spiral has really REALLY killed my enthusiasm. I will watch and root for them, but not expecting much at this point. Never seen a team fall so hard...so fast. Guess who that's on?? Everyone's wonder boy...Wojo. You all love the fact he brings in "good kids"...well...this is what a team of good kids gets you..no toughness, no physicality...just incredibly soft. And that equates to losing games. Seton Hall knew their chippyness and chirping would get into MU's heads because EVERYONE knows they are soft and mentally weak based on the meltdowns in the last 5 minutes of games. Guess what?? they were absolutely right, and it worked...to perfection for them.
What kind of meltdown is this team going to have if they are down in the last 5 minutes in the tourney when the stage is bigger, the lights are brighter, and you win or go home?? I shudder to think about that. Never want to see a season end...but this one..the way it's spiraled out of control...I just want this bad taste and dead feeling I have to go away..
This is up there with the scoopiest of takes.
Quote from: Johnny B on March 15, 2019, 11:30:30 PM
I get that the refs were awful and the ejections bad luck etc. But my god this game really sucked the life out of me.
Yes. After the whole 10 minute pause in the game, I lost interest. Not to say I did not watch, but it wasn't like we (the team) were going to decide who wins the game. The refs were in control (but had totally lost control) and at that point either team could win, but it was less about what the teams were doing and more about what the refs were doing. Not real sure what I witnessed out there but that game was totally Donaghy'd (or is it Donaghied?).
Bring on the madness.
Quote from: MUDish on March 16, 2019, 12:11:00 AM
I honestly can't believe a flagrant 1 on its own combined with a technical on its own is not an ejection. It's absurd.
+ a million. His two incidents were far more aggregious than Sacar's.
Quote from: shoothoops on March 16, 2019, 07:12:01 AM
Theo calmly walked away because he knew he was "guilty" of putting his hands on an airborne player. It wasn't much but he did, and that is an auto ejection if called. Zero chance in my opinion that Theo is that calm in that situation otherwise. Powell seemed to fly into the air mostly on his own. Almost nothing from Sacar there. And, the only player Powell was ulset with at that moment was Theo, not Sacar. Powell's emotions got him a few calls. That's poor officiatingto be affected by that.
I seen players have their hands on an airborne player and just get called for the foul; not ejected. How many times has Howard been fouled while in the air attempting a 3 pointer, yet the player was not ejected.
Quote from: shoothoops on March 16, 2019, 07:14:16 AM
This has happened a few times this season. I believe it was 38 seconds vs 26 seconds on the shot clock. Puts a lot of pressure on getting the stop, as well as the all important rebound.
Nah, it was 38 seconds on the clock and 30 seconds on the shot clock. I hated the no foul there. With the way the game was being officiated, extend the game. Make Hall make their free throws. Instead we wasted 30 seconds of valuable time, eventually still put a guy at the line, and were left with only 1 opportunity to tie the game.
Quote from: Cheeks on March 16, 2019, 12:48:05 AM
Calling a timeout means you let them setup their D, means we have to inbound ball because no more timeouts left. We got a good look, can't complain.
If we called a timeout we would have just done the same thing anyway (give it to Howard and get out of the way). Better to do it against a scrambling defense rather than a planned one. I agree with no timeout there.
The time to call a timeout is in between the FTs. Set up what you want to run then.
With no TOs left I'd worry about them getting the ball in a decent spot from a sideline inbounds pass.
Call a TO so you can advance the ball hey?
Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 16, 2019, 01:01:38 AM
His best option to pass to was BB in the corner, who had previously airballed 2 corner threes earlier. Sad part is...this was the best shot.
Rough night for BB for sure when we could have really used a lift.
MU was down two, and the refs were calling fouls every time Howard drove towards the end of the game. I thought he should've drove to the hoop. Despite the fact that he'd already missed 6 free throws, I think he had a better chance getting to the line and tying the game than he did winning the game on a 3, what with the way he was shooting.
Interesting thread so far. Now that I let the game sink in and have read all of this ...
1. If Markus ever had a worse-shooting game than this, he probably wasn't even a teenager yet. It was painful to watch. Even a layup, 3 or 4 floaters that he usually makes easily, free throws. Just a bad offensive night. And it started well before he hurt his wrist. I certainly can understand why most folks would want anybody but him shooting our final shot. I haven't watched the replay, and I trust TAMU very much, so I'll take his word that there wasn't much of a chance to pass to Sam there. Frankly, Markus ended up getting a better look than I thought he would. I didn't think he was fouled; I certainly wouldn't have called it.
2. Having Markus continually driving the ball down the stretch actually was the right strategy because the refs were calling everything. He got so many FTs. If he had anywhere near his typical shooting night ...
3. I'll take Markus on my team anytime. The guy who "never" comes through in the clutch has had some huge performances in OT and down the stretch of regulation the last couple of years. People are frustrated so they exaggerate.
4. Sam shot well from 3 but took several shots while on the move -- leaners, floaters, etc -- and missed them all. That's not his game. I'd love to know why he doesn't post up a little more. Is it his decision? Wojo's? Is it a matter of him and whoever the 5 is getting in each other's way? All I know is that he almost always gets off a very good shot when he posts up; he made a couple last night. He's too good a 3-point shooter to post up constantly; I just wish he'd do it more.
5. There was nothing "manly" or "fighting for his team" about Sacar clapping in Powell's face. All it did was give SH 2 FTs, get him his second foul of the half (so he had to sit the rest of the half) and then put himself in position to get tossed later. He did a great job of getting under Powell's skin and drawing the elbow; he's a fourth-year player who should have been mature enough to walk away -- or at least to celebrate with his teammates, and not clap at Powell. I'd have T'd him up there, too.
6. I didn't really see anything Sacar did that was T-worthy after the 2H altercation, but the refs were trying desperately to get control. Sacar was the best player on the court for us in the 2H before that happened, and losing him was significant.
7. Gus and Jimmy Jackson actually said that SH losing Mamu was more significant than us losing Sacar and Theo, which is wrong bordering on ridiculous.
8. I didn't know it was an automatic ejection for pushing an airborne player. Theo certainly didn't shove Powell that hard, but Powell's momentum was carrying him that way so it probably looked worse than it was.
9. It is a stupid rule that, for ejection sake, treats clapping hands in an opponent's face more harshly than maliciously throwing an elbow at an opponent.
10. Morrow was an absolute beast in the first half. He has played very well the last month-plus. I just wish he was a better finisher and that he had a shooting range longer than a dunk.
11. We sure could have used a real good game from Bailey and/or Chartouny. They've given us a few. This wasn't one of them.
12. I have reffed a couple of games that my partner and I could feel getting away from us due to physical play. And when that happens, you definitely call things more tightly and are quicker with T's. But as many other Scoopers have said, that was a pretty poorly officiated game right there.
13. I'm guessing Willard got the T for being about 20 feet out of the coach's box. Coaches are told before the game to respect the coach's box. They are given some leeway, but not that much. Willard was closer to Wojo's coaching box than his own.
14. I probably wouldn't have T'd up the SH player who skipped his way down the court after the call he didn't like. But, again, by that time the refs were trying to maintain control. I thought the hanging-on-rim call the SH player got was pretty weak.
15. Powell definitely outplayed Markus in the "battle of stars." Anybody who denies that didn't watch the game. He is a stone-cold assassin down the stretch of games. He didn't quite top what he did to Kentucky, but he came close. Which, of course, doesn't mean he's anything but a giant pud.
16. I'm not sure how some Scoopers can watch that game and conclude that we aren't tough or physical or aggressive. We played very hard, we didn't back down from SH (often to our detriment) and we certainly didn't quit.
17. I wouldn't have called a TO at the end of the game, either. 6 seconds is plenty of time to get a good shot -- which we did get. I know some folks wish anybody but Markus had taken it, but it was a good look given the situation. It's hard to believe we would have gotten a better shot had SH been allowed to set up its defense.
18. I agree with the few Scoopers about fouling SH with just under 40 seconds left. I was yelling, "Foul! Foul!" Even with Markus struggling from the line, I would have taken my chances in a FT-shooting contest. It did end up working out reasonably OK, though, as far as the situation we ended up with -- a good look at a game-winning 3 from a great shooter (albeit one who was having a terrible game).
19. I was exhausted at the end of the game, but for I didn't feel quite as bad about it as I did after the Georgetown or Creighton games.
20. I still think our guys have another run in them this season. Despite losing 5 out of 6 games, we have played well for significant stretches in each of those games. We will be rested and hopefully healed, and we have shown many times this season that are good enough to get on a roll for a few weeks. But yes, I am an optimist.
Quote from: MU82 on March 16, 2019, 04:14:57 PM
Interesting thread so far. Now that I let the game sink in and have read all of this ...
1. If Markus ever had a worse-shooting game than this, he probably wasn't even a teenager yet. It was painful to watch. Even a layup, 3 or 4 floaters that he usually makes easily, free throws. Just a bad offensive night. And it started well before he hurt his wrist. I certainly can understand why most folks would want anybody but him shooting our final shot. I haven't watched the replay, and I trust TAMU very much, so I'll take his word that there wasn't much of a chance to pass to Sam there. Frankly, Markus ended up getting a better look than I thought he would. I didn't think he was fouled; I certainly wouldn't have called it.
2. Having Markus continually driving the ball down the stretch actually was the right strategy because the refs were calling everything. He got so many FTs. If he had anywhere near his typical shooting night ...
3. I'll take Markus on my team anytime. The guy who "never" comes through in the clutch has had some huge performances in OT and down the stretch of regulation the last couple of years. People are frustrated so they exaggerate.
4. Sam shot well from 3 but took several shots while on the move -- leaners, floaters, etc -- and missed them all. That's not his game. I'd love to know why he doesn't post up a little more. Is it his decision? Wojo's? Is it a matter of him and whoever the 5 is getting in each other's way? All I know is that he almost always gets off a very good shot when he posts up; he made a couple last night. He's too good a 3-point shooter to post up constantly; I just wish he'd do it more.
5. There was nothing "manly" or "fighting for his team" about Sacar clapping in Powell's face. All it did was give SH 2 FTs, get him his second foul of the half (so he had to sit the rest of the half) and then put himself in position to get tossed later. He did a great job of getting under Powell's skin and drawing the elbow; he's a fourth-year player who should have been mature enough to walk away -- or at least to celebrate with his teammates, and not clap at Powell. I'd have T'd him up there, too.
6. I didn't really see anything Sacar did that was T-worthy after the 2H altercation, but the refs were trying desperately to get control. Sacar was the best player on the court for us in the 2H before that happened, and losing him was significant.
7. Gus and Jimmy Jackson actually said that SH losing Mamu was more significant than us losing Sacar and Theo, which is wrong bordering on ridiculous.
8. I didn't know it was an automatic ejection for pushing an airborne player. Theo certainly didn't shove Powell that hard, but Powell's momentum was carrying him that way so it probably looked worse than it was.
9. It is a stupid rule that, for ejection sake, treats clapping hands in an opponent's face more harshly than maliciously throwing an elbow at an opponent.
10. Morrow was an absolute beast in the first half. He has played very well the last month-plus. I just wish he was a better finisher and that he had a shooting range longer than a dunk.
11. We sure could have used a real good game from Bailey and/or Chartouny. They've given us a few. This wasn't one of them.
12. I have reffed a couple of games that my partner and I could feel getting away from us due to physical play. And when that happens, you definitely call things more tightly and are quicker with T's. But as many other Scoopers have said, that was a pretty poorly officiated game right there.
13. I'm guessing Willard got the T for being about 20 feet out of the coach's box. Coaches are told before the game to respect the coach's box. They are given some leeway, but not that much. Willard was closer to Wojo's coaching box than his own.
14. I probably wouldn't have T'd up the SH player who skipped his way down the court after the call he didn't like. But, again, by that time the refs were trying to maintain control. I thought the hanging-on-rim call the SH player got was pretty weak.
15. Powell definitely outplayed Markus in the "battle of stars." Anybody who denies that didn't watch the game. He is a stone-cold assassin down the stretch of games. He didn't quite top what he did to Kentucky, but he came close. Which, of course, doesn't mean he's anything but a giant pud.
16. I'm not sure how some Scoopers can watch that game and conclude that we aren't tough or physical or aggressive. We played very hard, we didn't back down from SH (often to our detriment) and we certainly didn't quit.
17. I wouldn't have called a TO at the end of the game, either. 6 seconds is plenty of time to get a good shot -- which we did get. I know some folks wish anybody but Markus had taken it, but it was a good look given the situation. It's hard to believe we would have gotten a better shot had SH been allowed to set up its defense.
18. I agree with the few Scoopers about fouling SH with just under 40 seconds left. I was yelling, "Foul! Foul!" Even with Markus struggling from the line, I would have taken my chances in a FT-shooting contest. It did end up working out reasonably OK, though, as far as the situation we ended up with -- a good look at a game-winning 3 from a great shooter (albeit one who was having a terrible game).
19. I was exhausted at the end of the game, but for I didn't feel quite as bad about it as I did after the Georgetown or Creighton games.
20. I still think our guys have another run in them this season. Despite losing 5 out of 6 games, we have played well for significant stretches in each of those games. We will be rested and hopefully healed, and we have shown many times this season that are good enough to get on a roll for a few weeks. But yes, I am an optimist.
21. When the refs take 10 minutes to decide you know Marquette is
always going to get screwed.
I'm with you MU82, but I don't think they have another "run" left. Hope I'm wrong.
Missed the game yesterday because I was on a flight. Watched replay just now.
- Sacar really is glue on this team. A lot of things fell apart after he was ejected.
- Marquette needs to do a "nice guy" campaign for Theo... Maybe he should show up with a flat-top, short shorts, low-tops and high socks as well... because he's getting 3-4 "profile" fouls per game, and now a "profile" T with ejection. It's the equivalent of DWB what's happening to him.
- Marcus is not a PG
- Powell is a stud. 6'2" beats 5'11". I don't like him, but he came through in the 2nd half.
- Morrow gets a lot of garbage buckets. I saw 1 play for him this game... and he got a dunk off an inbound because he didn't make the handoff. Why not 3-4 plays for him each game?
- It goes without saying now... but MU got absolutely hosed by bad officiating. It was bad both ways, but the two ejections were both without merit, and Powell should have been ejected in the first half. That Powell was allowed by the Big East to play today is a travesty. The BEAST should have reviewed the 1st half elbow and suspended him. Now it appears that premeditated elbows to opponents are perfectly OK. Also, you can see Powell - before the elbow - look to see if the baseline ref is watching. It was 100% intentional.