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Quote from: Eye on March 06, 2019, 08:27:19 PM
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Won't happen but I would have when he first became healthy if he wanted to. But who knows
I was surprised when it was used back in December or whenever it was.
I've been thinking about that all night. I mean, for one regular season game & postseason play, seems like a waste, especially for a guy who had close to a 20% turnover rate as a freshman.
Dumbest idea I have heard, with 3 -5 games left no way
Glad I'm not the only one Brew. To answer my own question, probably not for what could be as few as 3 games when you probably weren't more than a pretty long longshot to win it all. Now if you have a legit shot to win the whole thing, and in some things break the right way you might be next year, you do what you gotta do.
No
Absolutely not.
I know lots of scoopers think Greg could be the missing piece to make this team a final four contender, but I just don't get it. He wasn't a strong ballhandler last year, and he's had more issues with his hand/thumb this year too. He's a 2 guard. Just like Markus.
He has promise, and I think he'll be a good college player, but I haven't seen anything that makes me think he'd be playing over Sacar this year. He might get a few minutes to spell the starters, and maybe he'd be getting some of Joe's minutes, but I doubt he'd be getting more than 8-10 per game.
And that's all if he had been healthy and playing all year. For him to lift a redshirt and come in for just a few games doesn't make sense for him or for the team. There's just not really any benefit to it.
Nope, he would be so behind everyone
You want to blow someone's eligibility for an entire season to play in one regular season game plus the postseason? To accomplish what? A Sweet 16?
No. Next question.
If I'm Wojo, and I think
1) Elliott is practicing better than the other primary ball handlers
2) He's healthy
3) He doesn't mind killing a year of eligibility
YES, I play him ASAP.
But since that hasn't happened I'm guessing at least 1 of those 3 isn't true.
Quote from: skianth16 on March 06, 2019, 08:47:37 PM
I know lots of scoopers think Greg could be the missing piece to make this team a final four contender, but I just don't get it. He wasn't a strong ballhandler last year, and he's had more issues with his hand/thumb this year too. He's a 2 guard. Just like Markus.
Jesus christ man this team is barely a round of 32 contender at this point. How many times have scoopers thrown around the FF this year.
He has promise, and I think he'll be a good college player, but I haven't seen anything that makes me think he'd be playing over Sacar this year. He might get a few minutes to spell the starters, and maybe he'd be getting some of Joe's minutes, but I doubt he'd be getting more than 8-10 per game.
And that's all if he had been healthy and playing all year. For him to lift a redshirt and come in for just a few games doesn't make sense for him or for the team. There's just not really any benefit to it.
Absolutely.
There has never been a better point guard in Marquette history. Burn the redshirt ... and then watch him turn pro.
It's the classic "backup QB syndrome." The backup MUST be better than what we have!
Quote from: skianth16 on March 06, 2019, 08:47:37 PM
I know lots of scoopers think Greg could be the missing piece to make this team a final four contender, but I just don't get it. He wasn't a strong ballhandler last year, and he's had more issues with his hand/thumb this year too. He's a 2 guard. Just like Markus.
He has promise, and I think he'll be a good college player, but I haven't seen anything that makes me think he'd be playing over Sacar this year. He might get a few minutes to spell the starters, and maybe he'd be getting some of Joe's minutes, but I doubt he'd be getting more than 8-10 per game.
And that's all if he had been healthy and playing all year. For him to lift a redshirt and come in for just a few games doesn't make sense for him or for the team. There's just not really any benefit to it.
All very true. Wouldn't be fair to GE and our biggest need was probably his biggest weakness, ball handling. His hand couldn't have helped, but I'm not sure we saw much that would suggest a great handle or true PG mentality.
It is probably the question I ponder more than any other for this team. Just not out loud. At this point, only if there was an injury to Markus and GE could step in and start. Other than that, I think the die is cast for this year. And ultimately, it is GE's choice.
I think early January or even a month ago it was a more valid question. I think they just hoped Chartouny would come around. At this point, hard to imagine he'd even be game ready.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 06, 2019, 09:23:52 PM
I think early January or even a month ago it was a more valid question. I think they just hoped Chartouny would come around. At this point, hard to imagine he'd even be game ready.
A week ago at this time there was no reason to even consider it.
No.
Markus' PG abilities haven't really changed over the course of the season, it's been the fact that he isn't scoring as much (weird since before he was criticized for being a score first PG). Are you all forgetting his 7 TO game against Presbyterian, his 8 TO game against DePaul, or his 7 TO game against BU? Of course, because we won all of those games, and he was also scoring in those WINS. Winning hides all faults, the same way losing brings them to the forefront.
He scored 33 on Sunday.
Not in the best interest of the kid or the program. I am a big fan of Greg. however ,he would not be effective right now . It takes time to get up to game speed .
We just have to work through this speed bump.
On second hand, whoever this Elliot character is should burn his redshirt. But our Elliott should keep his. ;D
Quote from: Eye on March 06, 2019, 08:42:05 PM
Glad I'm not the only one Brew. To answer my own question, probably not for what could be as few as 3 games when you probably weren't more than a pretty long longshot to win it all. Now if you have a legit shot to win the whole thing, and in some things break the right way you might be next year, you do what you gotta do.
No offense to Greg if he reads MUScoop but is he even good? Does he even know? He's becoming quite the star in MU folklore.
I'll tell ya what- I love everything about Greg. I saw him in Brooklyn walking to the bus being best friends all the walkons, I saw him cheer on Jamal when he needed a guy, and I always see him in Markus grill when he needs a guy. Greg you're ok by me, now I just hope you're good
The decision was made in the best interest of the player......
Even thought Gregg if I had to guess probably wants to help......You keep with what is in the best interest of the player......
No matter what.....
And yes.....he would help......But we are not Duke who has pressure to win a National Championship every year and a player does not know how many players are coming In at his position to subplant him in the next recruiting class of one and done's......
Quote from: burger on March 07, 2019, 08:11:34 AMBut we are not Duke who has pressure to win a National Championship every year
This is it for me. Do you think this is a national championship team this year? If so, lift the redshirt. If not, then what can you possibly win that will convince you this is more important than having fifth year senior Greg in 2021-2022?
Gotta admit, had the same thought walking out of the Pru but it could be screwing the kid over for as few as 3 games.
Why do people think Greg - even if 100% healthy and up to speed - is the answer at PG? Or why do they believe Wojo would play Greg at PG over Markus?
This thread is great. You don't make the decision to redshirt a kid just a play him when there are potentially as few as three games left in the season. Insanity.
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 07, 2019, 11:34:08 AM
Why do people think Greg - even if 100% healthy and up to speed - is the answer at PG? Or why do they believe Wojo would play Greg at PG over Markus?
I agree totally. He was not a point guard last year, so what makes him a point guard now. He is a 2 guard, which he will play next year. Maybe he can play a little
next year at the point, but he sure did not show he could play the point last year.
I think Greg played one handed last year. Before the re-injury, he was playing with both hands.
Wojo said he was playing well enough to start. I wondered who he would start in place of. Clearly not Markus. Sacar? Joey/Bailey?
As far as what he would give, I would take the one handed Greg of last year over the two handed Chartouny of this year. Even if he can only give 15 effective MPG, that would be more than Joe has given on a consistent basis.
Maybe that means Sacar or Sam plays more point.
I think Cain played better with Greg around.
It is too late to pull the red-shirt from Greg. Unless (a) Markus has a season ending injury or (B) it is truly believed that his presence gives MU an extra 1-2 tourney wins.
Quote from: tower912 on March 07, 2019, 11:47:30 AM
I think Greg played one handed last year. Before the re-injury, he was playing with both hands.
Wojo said he was playing well enough to start. I wondered who he would start in place of. Clearly not Markus. Sacar? Joey/Bailey?
As far as what he would give, I would take the one handed Greg of last year over the two handed Chartouny of this year. Even if he can only give 15 effective MPG, that would be more than Joe has given on a consistent basis.
Maybe that means Sacar or Sam plays more point.
I think Cain played better with Greg around.
It is too late to pull the red-shirt from Greg. Unless (a) Markus has a season ending injury or (B) it is truly believed that his presence gives MU an extra 1-2 tourney wins.
Chartonney did not work out, to bad, we were all hoping he could play. It is obvious he can not. Not quick enough. It was worth the try. Greg did not play point much last year, not sure he was a point in high school. Not sure where Greg fits in the program, it will be interesting to see how it all comes together next year. Still
would like to see another power forward on the team. Was hoping with the year off that Morrow could play the 4, obviously Wojo did not think he can. And seeing his offensive skill set, he it a center. Somebody who can play above the rim.
Like Cain? Or Bailey after a year in the weight room? Or Theo? Or Ike?
Does this entire thread go straight to scooptakes?
Quote from: jsglow on March 07, 2019, 12:01:20 PM
Does this entire thread go straight to scooptakes?
Thankfully, Twitter has character limits.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 06, 2019, 10:50:36 PM
On second hand, whoever this Elliot character is should burn his redshirt. But our Elliott should keep his. ;D
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