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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on March 03, 2019, 03:58:53 PM
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1. First, let me say that I was extremely impressed with Creighton's defense. They 'Jordan-ruled' Markus, double teaming him everywhere, daring any other MU player to beat them. Then, whenever MU drove or got the ball in the corner, Creighton trapped aggressively and then jumped passing lanes. Quick hands on reach ins. Finally, they took advantage of every weak pass. Of which there were many.
2. It was a bad day if your last name was Hauser.
3. Markus got his.
4. Every other player was passive and careless and weak on offense. Every. Other. Player.
5. Stripped in open court. Careless passes. Shot clock violations after passing up shots in the lane.
6. Probably the most disappointing game of the year from my perspective.
7. Usually, a team gets the result it deserves. Marquette got the result it deserved today.
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Worst loss of the season and that’s not hyperbole. No way Joey should’ve been in down the stretch turning it over every time he touched the ball. This team has no idea how to take care of the ball.
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Out-hustled by 1000% at home.
Worst effort since Indiana.
Shameful.
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Why didn’t Cain play? I really don’t understand.
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Every season we have a WTF conference loss. We held it off until game #16. Take it, learn from it, beat the hell outta Seton Hall on Wednesday.
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To be able to clinch a share of the big east title and then today to at the very least hold serve in first they really pissed it away. 22 turnovers is ridiculous. I dont know what else to say except that that was pathetic basketball. 2 games in the row up 4 and 5 at the 5 minute mark and then don't hit any fgs the rest of either game.
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Joey forever tarnished the Hauser family name
Most players have TO's from just being too aggressive. Maybe a little dumb.
His are absolutely unexplainable. Like not even a 2nd grader would make.
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That was unnatural carnal knowledgeing terrible. What a unnatural carnal knowledgeing joke. Where is the intensity? The focus? Jesus christ.
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TOs, TOs, TOs....
We gave this one away.
No excuse for playing so poorly this late in the season.
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Team better turn it around and fast or your going to be looking at a 6 seed for the ncaa touranment
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Wojo did a really bad job with subs today also. Joey played way too much. Ed not enough. Even Sam needed some time on the bench. He needed to get creative with his lineups to find the right mix. Poor job today by Wojo
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Agree, this was their worst performance of the year. Shouldn't happen this late. Turnover city. Tough game coming Wednesday.
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Team better turn it around and fast or your going to be looking at a 6 seed for the ncaa touranment
At this point I'd almost prefer a 6
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I’m not blaming this on intensity or hustle. 100% fault of lack of protecting the ball. Especially down the stretch. I mean Wojo had to pull Joey out for Bailey. That’s how bad it got.
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Usually a double team means someone is left unguarded. Amazed at the number of guys just standing and watching their teammate get smothered.
This reminded me of old Woj. No answer whether it was a player off the bench or play to run. Nothing. Need guards that can penetrate. Markus is not a facilitator.
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Every season we have a WTF conference loss. We held it off until game #16. Take it, learn from it, beat the hell outta Seton Hall on Wednesday.
Was hoping for a BE title. This made us much more difficult
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This team needs athletes in the worst way. Turning the ball over 20+ times at this point is pathetic. Give credit to CU and Wojo showed, once agin, that he's a work in progress. Oh, and as for Howard, collegiate guards just showed how to neuter him. Don't book your FF airfare and hotel rooms yet, 'cuz the sole is rippin' away from da shoe, hey?
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Usually a double team means someone is left unguarded. Amazed at the number of guys just standing and watching their teammate get smothered.
This reminded me of old Woj. No answer whether it was a player off the bench or play to run. Nothing. Need guards that can penetrate. Markus is not a facilitator.
I said early on this was a game JC needed a lot of minutes to allow Markus to play off the ball. JC also was a good matchup defensively. Wojo did a very poor job with lineups today
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Yeah, it sucks. But good teams lose and average teams rise to the occasion. They played great D and any time Markus tried to move the ball it was a challenge. Learn from it and win the last couple games. Nova could easily lose a game.
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Usually a double team means someone is left unguarded. Amazed at the number of guys just standing and watching their teammate get smothered.
This reminded me of old Woj. No answer whether it was a player off the bench or play to run. Nothing. Need guards that can penetrate. Markus is not a facilitator.
Though time blaming this on Wojo. Someone has to step up. Everyone got run. Everyone but Markus was poor.
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I said early on this was a game JC needed a lot of minutes to allow Markus to play off the ball. JC also was a good matchup defensively. Wojo did a very poor job with lineups today
JC had a possession where he channeled his inner joey and just gave the ball to the creighton defender without pressure.
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I said early on this was a game JC needed a lot of minutes to allow Markus to play off the ball. JC also was a good matchup defensively. Wojo did a very poor job with lineups today
JC played and was terrible.
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Peaked???
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JC played and was terrible.
Compared to who exactly?
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I'd like to take a moment to acknowledge Krampelj made everyone his bitch.
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New strategy: Play rugby defense against Markus and beat the crap out of him. See if anyone else steps up. Oh, for anyone else to step up, they would need the ball. From Markus. Who cannot pass.
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1. turnovers, turnovers, turnovers. many of which are unforced. absolutely mind blowing. everyone is guilty
2. weakness with the ball, and the number one culprit is joey. how many times a game does he literally hand the ball to the other team????
3. team is in a downward spiral, not a good time for that to happen. can wojo figure it out? based on history I have no confidence in that happening
4. team is not scrappy. we don't get to 50 50 balls.
5. our end of game offense apparently is panicked chucking from 3
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Joey forever tarnished the Hauser family name
Most players have TO's from just being too aggressive. Maybe a little dumb.
His are absolutely unexplainable. Like not even a 2nd grader would make.
^^^ Ban Dis Guy ^^^
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1. First, let me say that I was extremely impressed with Creighton's defense. They 'Jordan-ruled' Markus, double teaming him everywhere, daring any other MU player to beat them. Then, whenever MU drove or got the ball in the corner, Creighton trapped aggressively and then jumped passing lanes. Quick hands on reach ins. Finally, they took advantage of every weak pass. Of which there were many.
2. It was a bad day if your last name was Hauser.
3. Markus got his.
4. Every other player was passive and careless and weak on offense. Every. Other. Player.
5. Stripped in open court. Careless passes. Shot clock violations after passing up shots in the lane.
6. Probably the most disappointing game of the year from my perspective.
7. Usually, a team gets the result it deserves. Marquette got the result it deserved today.
In regards to 1.
Great game plan by McDermott. Markus cannot/will not pass to the open man so just double team him. Dozens and dozens of times Markus got doubled today n had a wide open man close by, if he passes n then we keep it moving we have open shots all day. He is a great shooter but his court vision and IQ are far far far below average. Its not that hard for college players, move it and keep it moving. Markus did exactly what they new he would and what they wanted him to do. Looked like a grade school team out there.
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Joey forever tarnished the Hauser family name
That’s harsh. He turned the ball over, he didn’t kill anyone.
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I'd like to take a moment to acknowledge Krampelj made everyone his bitch.
Krampelj, Samuels, Clark...Ugh...
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I'd like to take a moment to acknowledge Krampelj made everyone his bitch.
Indeed. He was/is a man.
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Microcosm of the game, loose ball on the floor and Bailey literally just runs away and makes 0 effort to try and get it
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Krampelj, Samuels, Clark...Ugh...
MU is exposed by skilled bigs. Theo's made great strides, but he's not quite there yet. Ed is a little too short to defend taller athletic big men. Matt Heldt is unable to defend anyone.
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Another bad start to a game. Five turnovers in four minutes, that’s got to change. One game it would be nice to start 10 to 2 or something. Same with start of second half.
CU small, so why not go inside. Same with SJU and not done.
22 ugly turnovers, 7 for Markus and he what 8 last game. Not going to beat anybody with that total.
10 more shot attempts for CU, who only shot 36%.
MU up four with ball after a great run, Joey turnover and they score. Then two more tos after that and crowd/ momentum gone. That was huge turnover and changed everything.
If turnovers continue, not going to beat SH away. See a three game loss streak before MU makes a run with a beating of Georgetown.
McDermott in huddle talking about doubling Markus “ He’s too small and can’t see over you guys”. Um, wonder what the NBA guys think or already know.
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Really poor effort from the whole team today. They looked a big step slow and unathletic today. We had some great luck in winning close games early in the season but seems things are regressing to the mean.
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Peaked???
I don't think we peaked, i just think our luck ran out. There were a descent number of game this year (at CU as an example) that we won because we got some lucky breaks. the ball stopped bouncing in our favor (or we just plain gave the other team the ball) and now we've lost 2 in a row.
PS: did we really think this year's team was top 10 in the country? 15-20 seems right.
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In regards to 1.
Great game plan by McDermott. Markus cannot/will not pass to the open man so just double team him. Dozens and dozens of times Markus got doubled today n had a wide open man close by, if he passes n then we keep it moving we have open shots all day. He is a great shooter but his court vision and IQ are far far far below average. Its not that hard for college players, move it and keep it moving. Markus did exactly what they new he would and what they wanted him to do. Looked like a grade school team out there.
IMO, at least a part of it comes from him being 5'11ish. It is damn difficult to see the floor when you are getting double teamed by two guys 4-6 inches taller than you. Creighton was very good at getting to the next option, leaving one guy open 30 feet from the ball.
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A loss like this was bound to happen, I won’t dwell on this as long as they don’t continue to lose, there’s plenty of time to get focused before the tournament. I’ll be pulling for Creighton to win their last 2 games and go deep into the BET, they still have a decent chance at the tournament and that would only help the conference going forward. We’re a lock even if we lose out.
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Some people in the game thread need to get out of their mom’s basement and go outside and off their keyboards my goodness
Dissipointing loss and Creighton took advantage of our biggest weakness, Markus’s ball dominance and turning the ball over. Hard to win a basketball game with 20+ turnovers.
I don’t think this has been stressed enough either but we are exceeding expectations this year. We are 23-6 (12-4). We held the 10 ranking even though we were 26 in Kenpom and 19 in the NET.
Hopefully this team can comeback strong and win their final 2 games. Still super happy on the way the season has gone.
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^^^ Ban Dis Guy ^^^
You break easily
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Nova could easily lose a game.
Well, they only have one more left.
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Well, they only have one more left.
Touché
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Every season we have a WTF conference loss. We held it off until game #16. Take it, learn from it, beat the hell outta Seton Hall on Wednesday.
Dreaming is free.
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1. turnovers, turnovers, turnovers. many of which are unforced. absolutely mind blowing. everyone is guilty
2. weakness with the ball, and the number one culprit is joey. how many times a game does he literally hand the ball to the other team????
3. team is in a downward spiral, not a good time for that to happen. can wojo figure it out? based on history I have no confidence in that happening
4. team is not scrappy. we don't get to 50 50 balls.
5. our end of game offense apparently is panicked chucking from 3
Two games is not a spiral, when one is a road game against the team tied for first. They played an awful game...it happens. I’d say Joey’s play was bad enough to give something else a shot, bringing him in off the bench for a game. Maybe give Cain a chance. He makes one mistake and doesn’t see the court. Give him a chance to get some extended minutes..not sure it can be worse than Joey today. Mix it up to light a fire..the patient approach hasn’t clicked. But again...it’s a two-game streak, not a spiral. We’ve gotten a little spoiled this year.
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Every season we have a WTF conference loss. We held it off until game #16. Take it, learn from it, beat the hell outta Seton Hall on Wednesday.
I could argue the first BE game was a WTF loss. But certainly the home game against St. John's was.
First 2 game skid all season though. Very disappointed. But play well in the next two games and all will be forgiven.
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Totally subjective observation from TV in Oregon is that the team is tired. Very tired.
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IMO, at least a part of it comes from him being 5'11ish. It is damn difficult to see the floor when you are getting double teamed by two guys 4-6 inches taller than you. Creighton was very good at getting to the next option, leaving one guy open 30 feet from the ball.
You have to a tually look in order to see
He doesnt even look when hes single teamed
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Totally subjective observation from TV in Oregon is that the team is tired. Very tired.
I would agree. They're working really hard on D (and it shows)but then getting lazy on offense. Sam in particular is showing the wear and tear of the season, and he was brutal shooting today. When all your threes are short, it's a sign of exhaustion.
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IMO, at least a part of it comes from him being 5'11ish. It is damn difficult to see the floor when you are getting double teamed by two guys 4-6 inches taller than you. Creighton was very good at getting to the next option, leaving one guy open 30 feet from the ball.
Exactly. That’s why I quoted what McDermott said in the huddle during the game. Markus is just not a point guard, he is a #2. He has been picking up his dribble, driving into corners and stopping and making just terrible passes. Heck he couldn’t even get it inbounds today. When he gets doubled, he appears to get abit nervous and then does not have the height to pass it out. In his last four games he has 22 turnovers, almost an average of 6 per game, which is on the verge of ridiculous bad. It took awhile, but the coaches know how to get to him by doubling him up.
Look, I think Markus is a great college player with an awesome offensive skill set of shooting at the collegiate level and been a blast watching that skill this year. Heck, he took almost half of MUs shots today, and kept them at least close. But can’t see him at next level getting doubled by let’s say OKC,s Westbrook and Ferguson or any other NBA guards.
Maybe Wojo makes an adjustment or two for remaining games to limit the turnover aspect, but right not it’s on the verge of a plague.
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Sam's missed 3 - which would have put us up 6 - seemed big at the time. I think I may be a little psychic. (Wait, if I was a little psychic, I would have known that at the time of the missed 3! My head hurts - nap time.)
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Some many games with so many Turnovers. It finally caught up with us today. There should be no excuses. Learn to value the ball or expect more of this.
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The Meat Summit came a week early. That was one bad stinker. From the players to the coaches to the refs to the student who could only filll 70% of their seats on a Sunday.
It will take a team of managers to flush this one.
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Hate these Sunday games. Just doesn’t have the same vibe. The team never got into a flow.
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New strategy: Play rugby defense against Markus and beat the crap out of him. See if anyone else steps up. Oh, for anyone else to step up, they would need the ball. From Markus. Who cannot pass.
This means not wrong. Howard was horrible against the trap
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Well that was a sh*t show.
Even the old curmudgeon next to me ran out of gas complaining play to play.
Didn’t look like a top 10 team.
Won’t have to worry about that when the new polls come out.
Stink. Stank. Stunk.
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Last 5:30 of Nova game, one point.
Last 5:30 of CU game, one field goal (didn't count Bailey's prayer), one free throw.
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Its one bad game but what a bad game. Bad turnovers. Bad offense. Bad supporting cast.
Repercussions? Bye bye 3 seed. Probably bye bye sole position of Big East title.
Need to right the ship. Need better play out of our players. Need better coaching out of our coaches. Too good of a year to go into a funk now.
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This team needs athletes in the worst way. Turning the ball over 20+ times at this point is pathetic. Give credit to CU and Wojo showed, once agin, that he's a work in progress. Oh, and as for Howard, collegiate guards just show how to neuter him. Don't book your FF airfare and hotel rooms yet, 'cuz the sole is rippin' away from da shoe, hey?
Pogo Sticks are on the top of my recruiting wish list.
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When I saw we had 21 TO’s late and it showed we were one off our season high (22 twice) I threw up in my mouth. We now have 3 games this year with 22 TOs. That’s unnatural carnal knowledgeing unreal
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As bad as Markus' worst moment were, I'm okay with 6 TO as long as he drops 33. We've had more than a few high scoring high TO games from him where we've won. What lost us was Sam, Joey, and Sacar combining for 10 TOs and only 15 points.
As bad as his one TO was, I would have ridden JC more instead of Joey. Better defense, and it at least gives Markus the option of going off the ball. If he can catch, running around a curl, and already be a full speed driving to the lane, he is more effective than just trying to beat his man straight off the dribble.
Man, oh, man do I hope that one of Koby, Dexter, or Symir can really keep the ball on a string because we need more folks that can beat their man off the dribble.
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Defense wasn't bad.
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As bad as Markus' worst moment were, I'm okay with 6 TO as long as he drops 33. We've had more than a few high scoring high TO games from him where we've won. What lost us was Sam, Joey, and Sacar combining for 10 TOs and only 15 points.
As bad as his one TO was, I would have ridden JC more instead of Joey. Better defense, and it at least gives Markus the option of going off the ball. If he can catch, running around a curl, and already be a full speed driving to the lane, he is more effective than just trying to beat his man straight off the dribble.
Man, oh, man do I hope that one of Koby, Dexter, or Symir can really keep the ball on a string because we need more folks that can beat their man off the dribble.
Preach
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Also one of my Markus' 6 TOs was that lazy pass that Joey threw him the closing moments. ESPN credited that to Markus instead of Joey. Another one of his TOs was the charging call that looked the exact same as the block that Creighton had just gotten on the other end.
Defense wasn't bad.
It was quite good. Held one of the best offensive teams in the country to 39.6%. I can't even imagine how low that number would be if you just looked at half court defense. It was all about the turnovers today (and Orebs and reffing to a lesser extent).
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These last 2 games the team just doesn't seem to have an edge. I don't think they've peaked, and I don't think other coaches have just figured out the game plan just yet. But something does need to change between today and March 14th for us to have a chance to make a run. Maybe it's a week of white t-shirt practices; maybe it's extra film time; maybe it's just days off to rest. I don't know what it takes, but I'm sure hoping Wojo does.
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These last 2 games the team just doesn't seem to have an edge. I don't think they've peaked, and I don't think other coaches have just figured out the game plan just yet. But something does need to change between today and March 14th for us to have a chance to make a run. Maybe it's a week of white t-shirt practices; maybe it's extra film time; maybe it's just days off to rest. I don't know what it takes, but I'm sure hoping Wojo does.
In one of Wojo’s post game press conferences, he alluded to the fact that he gives Howard and Sam Hauser substantial rest in practice. I’m not sure on the other guys. I think the team looks a bit mentally/physically exhausted right now but when the lights turn on at MSG I think they will get a second wind from that point forward. These next two games may be brutal though.
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Yeah, the team looked exhausted Wednesday and today.
But why would we be any more tired than Nova or Creighton? They both seemed to have plenty of energy. Frustrating.....
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Yeah, the team looked exhausted Wednesday and today.
But why would we be any more tired than Nova or Creighton? They both seemed to have plenty of energy. Frustrating.....
We are more tired because MU plays much tighter rotations. Markus and Sam especially, but wojos style is a short bench (much like his mentor).
Not sure I blame it as much on tired legs as I do on simply deferring/being passive for whatever reason.
I mean there are time that it seems like if we don’t get sam a decently open catch and shoot he just isn’t taking the shot. He does good work inside, but for whatever reason MU went away from feeding him/Joey/Theo in the post.
Imo gotta get back to some of that to open things up for everyone else
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I did not see the game, but followed online. I agree there is a very big need more athletic players. Cannot count on one guy scoring 40 and carrying a team, especially when he turns the ball over. That said, a lot of not very good teams out there this season and hope they turn it around quickly.
As for FF, funnier things have happened, but have always felt second weekend might be a stretch.
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Worried about Wojo. I know we don't see or hear everything in the "in the huddle" segments, but McDermott was communicating with his players, do this, do that. Wojo was telling them (twice, of course) how much time was left (as if they couldn't read the clock). Wouldn't you think that somewhere in the course of 40 minutes there would have been some sort of answer to "What happens when they double Markus?" I know I deal with losses as well as Guru, but Jesus, it does seem to me that there were coaching opportunities today that just didn't happen.
I've been a supporter of his, like what he has been doing for the program, but do not see anything positive happening in the X's and O's, in-game adjustments. It was clearly obvious what McDermott's strategy vis a vis Markus was, yet nothing changed. He got his ass out-coached today.
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It hurt that every time somebody else touched the ball they turned it over. You can have all of the schemes in the world and if your players don't execute them, instead being passive and careless, it will end poorly.
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Worried about Wojo. I know we don't see or hear everything in the "in the huddle" segments, but McDermott was communicating with his players, do this, do that. Wojo was telling them (twice, of course) how much time was left (as if they couldn't read the clock). Wouldn't you think that somewhere in the course of 40 minutes there would have been some sort of answer to "What happens when they double Markus?" I know I deal with losses as well as Guru, but Jesus, it does seem to me that there were coaching opportunities today that just didn't happen.
I've been a supporter of his, like what he has been doing for the program, but do not see anything positive happening in the X's and O's, in-game adjustments. It was clearly obvious what McDermott's strategy vis a vis Markus was, yet nothing changed. He got his ass out-coached today.
Thank you...what in the hell was Wojo exactly doing today anyway?? As was said above, he should have played Chartouny more to allow Markus to be off the ball, to counteract some of those double teams/traps. Another thing he could have tried was...put two guys right up top with Markus...I mean right next to him..you wanna double team him, you are going through us first...almost bodyguard like. They set screens, Markus goes around them. I watched Wojo's presser online and the first thing he said was "this is on me, anything that happens with this program is on me, so don;t be asking my players". Well wojo, we are what?? 30 games into the year and you have yet to figure out how to cut down on the TO's, you have yet to figure out how to stop the slow starts to halves, and you have seemingly have no plays in your play book for Sam/Joey post ups.
Throwing it in to Theo is an absolute LOST cause. every time it happens I want to pull what little hair I have...out. Anytime it happens, unless he is wide open and dunks it, it isn't going to end well..and if he gets fouled, he is most likely not making both(today not withstanding). Or even one. Sam and joey make their FT's, and they also are money with that short jumper in the lane...POST THEM UP more. Morrow is a FAR better offensive player than Theo.
Think about it...22 TO's, that's 22 lost possessions...if you take 4 of those back...and score on them...ONLY 4, you win the game. Pathetic.
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Compared to who exactly?
He played ten minutes. Took no shots. Had one rebound. One assist. One turnover.
He's a non-entity. Sure he "values the basketball," but he doesn't create anything either. Do you understand that in a pick-and-roll offense that having a PG that doesn't do anything offensively is pretty much useless? Why do you think that even when he is in the game, as soon as he brings it across the line he gives it up to Markus?
Look, this is what this team is. Markus is going to be the PG. They are going to run him off picks and get him either open or down the lane. Sand Knit is right that he has to get the ball out of his hand faster on double teams. And this isn't unique to Markus. The ball stops too much with a lot of guys.
Playing Jamal Cain or Joseph Chartouny isn't going to stop that.
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++ Funny/sad to see criticism of the guy who scored 33 points on 11-for-21 shooting despite being the complete focus of the opponent's defense. Markus is Markus. He has the ball 95% of the time and doesn't have great court vision or handle; we knew that a week ago when we were looking like undisputed Big East champs. He is who he is. Not sure why folks think that if he passed it more the rest of the Keystone Kops would have karried us to victory today. He was the only reason we didn't lose by 15+.
++ I was watching in a bar with several other MU alums; although I was paying pretty close attention, it was a social function and I might have missed a few plays. But by my count, Sam and Joey combined for one post play, with Joey scoring. One. Maybe some of that's on Markus, maybe some is on Wojo and maybe Creighton deserves some credit, but by my eye Sam and Joey didn't even seem interested in going to the post. Sam ... he has been super-effective there when he's done it, but he passed up 3 or 4 opportunities to even try today, got it at the elbow and either backpedaled, passed or both. Mystifying, really.
++ Probably Wojo's worst game of the season. He needed to try something personnel-wise -- anything -- to break the funk. In his defense, though, one minute we were up 4, then Joey got big-time butterfingers and bing-bang-boom we were down. It all unraveled quite fast and then we never could get it back. One thing I'm not worried about: what Wojo says in the televised cuddles.
++ Second straight game Sam missed a wide-open 3 that could have been huge. 3s are 3s, not layups, and even the best only hit 45% of them, but Sam has developed an almost mythical following here, like he can't do any wrong. I love that we have Sam, but in the end he's still just a regular human, and a young one at that. Very good basketball player most days; not so good today.
++ We managed to go through an entire game getting only 3 offensive rebounds. 3 O boards, 22 turnovers, only one double-figure scorer. Pretty good recipe for a loss.
++ I am not going to say stuff like, "Our guys didn't even show up" or "No effort whatsoever." Because I don't believe it's true. Stuff just happens in sports sometimes. It's not always a sign of "they wanted it more."
++ Capper for a really, really, really shytty weekend of basketball for yours truly. My HS team, playing in the 3rd round of the state tournament, fell behind by 15 late in the 3rd quarter, rallied to within 1 with about a minute to go, and had a couple of chances, but we just couldn't get it done and lost to a team I honestly believe we're better than. To rub salt in the wound, the No. 1 seed in our region lost, so if we had won we would have gotten to host the next game for a shot at the NC final four. Lots of tears flowing after the game. "Oh well," I told Mrs. 82 later, "at least Marquette will give me something to smile about this weekend." Ugh.
++ For those wondering how we could possibly lose a game like this ... again, just look around the country. Look at the games that ranked teams are losing to mediocre (or worse) teams. It happens. I know it doesn't make this one taste any better, but that's freakin' sports.
++ Look at the bright side, Scoopers ... guru can stop making his case that a conspiracy theory will keep us out of a 2-seed.
++ And having said all of this, I am STILL bullish on our boyz. We obviously are capable of playing bad and losing to just about anybody, but also capable of playing very, very well and beating just about anyone. We have talent, and most games we have toughness and good coaching and hoops IQ. We won 12 of 13 before this mini-skid, so obviously we are very capable of playing well enough and tough enough to win a stretch of games. I still believe we can and will put it together at the right time and do some damage in the NCAAs.
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Thank you...what in the hell was Wojo exactly doing today anyway?? As was said above, he should have played Chartouny more to allow Markus to be off the ball, to counteract some of those double teams/traps. Another thing he could have tried was...put two guys right up top with Markus...I mean right next to him..you wanna double team him, you are going through us first...almost bodyguard like. They set screens, Markus goes around them. I watched Wojo's presser online and the first thing he said was "this is on me, anything that happens with this program is on me, so don;t be asking my players". Well wojo, we are what?? 30 games into the year and you have yet to figure out how to cut down on the TO's, you have yet to figure out how to stop the slow starts to halves, and you have seemingly have no plays in your play book for Sam/Joey post ups.
Throwing it in to Theo is an absolute LOST cause. every time it happens I want to pull what little hair I have...out. Anytime it happens, unless he is wide open and dunks it, it isn't going to end well..and if he gets fouled, he is most likely not making both(today not withstanding). Or even one. Sam and joey make their FT's, and they also are money with that short jumper in the lane...POST THEM UP more. Morrow is a FAR better offensive player than Theo.
Think about it...22 TO's, that's 22 lost possessions...if you take 4 of those back...and score on them...ONLY 4, you win the game. Pathetic.
Do you know why they can't cut down on turnovers? Because Markus Howard isn't a PG and Joseph Chartouny is over his head. You run Chartouny at the point and he isn't going to see those same double teams. You know why? He isn't a threat. He's not going to shoot the ball if someone goes under the pick. He's not going to drive the lane and pick out an open shooter. Who would leave their guy to double Chartouny?
The ball has to move better. Stop dribbling into double teams and into traps. Not just Howard, but Sam, Joey and Sacar did that today. And everything stalls.
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He played ten minutes. Took no shots. Had one rebound. One assist. One turnover.
He's a non-entity. Sure he "values the basketball," but he doesn't create anything either. Do you understand that in a pick-and-roll offense that having a PG that doesn't do anything offensively is pretty much useless? Why do you think that even when he is in the game, as soon as he brings it across the line he gives it up to Markus?
Look, this is what this team is. Markus is going to be the PG. They are going to run him off picks and get him either open or down the lane. Sand Knit is right that he has to get the ball out of his hand faster on double teams. And this isn't unique to Markus. The ball stops too much with a lot of guys.
Playing Jamal Cain or Joseph Chartouny isn't going to stop that.
Chartouney playing more PG would’ve allowed Markus to play off the ball which would’ve gotten him more open looks. Wojo needed someone to “value the ball”. Clearly the lineup he went with couldn’t
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Chartouney playing more PG would’ve allowed Markus to play off the ball which would’ve gotten him more open looks. Wojo needed someone to “value the ball”. Clearly the lineup he went with couldn’t
How is playing Chartouny at point guard going to magically result in Markus getting open looks? Does he stop becoming the focus of the defense? Are defenders going to blitz the pick and roll and double the ball with Chartouny at the point? No. Of course not. This isn't a set offense that runs a bunch of plays for a two-guard.
Markus is more of a scoring threat with the ball in his hands. He shot over 50% and scored more than half their points. And despite all that usage, he had 6 of the teams 22 turnovers. He wasn't the problem today.
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Do you know why they can't cut down on turnovers? Because Markus Howard isn't a PG and Joseph Chartouny is over his head. You run Chartouny at the point and he isn't going to see those same double teams. You know why? He isn't a threat. He's not going to shoot the ball if someone goes under the pick. He's not going to drive the lane and pick out an open shooter. Who would leave their guy to double Chartouny?
The ball has to move better. Stop dribbling into double teams and into traps. Not just Howard, but Sam, Joey and Sacar did that today. And everything stalls.
You are 100% correct...it's games like these where they REALLY miss Rowsey.
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How is playing Chartouny at point guard going to magically result in Markus getting open looks? Does he stop becoming the focus of the defense? Are defenders going to blitz the pick and roll and double the ball with Chartouny at the point? No. Of course not.
Markus is more of a scoring threat with the ball in his hands. He shot over 50% and scored more than half their points. And despite all that usage, he had 6 of the teams 22 turnovers.
It’s much easier to get open looks when the ball isn’t in your hands. JC also probably would’ve taken Joeys minutes which today would have been a good thing. That not only would’ve eliminated many of the TOs but we would’ve matched up defensively as well. To point to his stat line in 10 minutes of play as a basis for not playing him is nonsense
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How is playing Chartouny at point guard going to magically result in Markus getting open looks? Does he stop becoming the focus of the defense? Are defenders going to blitz the pick and roll and double the ball with Chartouny at the point? No. Of course not. This isn't a set offense that runs a bunch of plays for a two-guard.
Markus is more of a scoring threat with the ball in his hands. He shot over 50% and scored more than half their points. And despite all that usage, he had 6 of the teams 22 turnovers. He wasn't the problem today.
This.
How 'bout any other Warrior not throwing/dribbling/gacking away the basketball over and over and over again. Obviously, the other 9 Warriors who played touched the ball enough to turn it over 16 times.
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http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=401083241
Box score. The numbers do tell the story. Turnovers, 22-13. Outrebounded. 26 FT's attempted to 12. (Yes, I know that number is skewed by fouling late) 10-25 shooting for anyone not named Markus. 3 free throws for anyone not named Markus. Cain and Heldt combined to play 7 minutes without a single stat. 3 Offensive rebounds for MU, 10 for Creighton.
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Re: At Marquette Game Thread
Sun Mar 03, 2019 7:31 pm
Trifecta wrote:
I don't know what to make of Marquette in the tournament. I could see them getting hot from 3 and making a Sweet Sixteen. But I could also see them getting bounced in the first round. The 4 forwards description is not too far off. They really could use another guard. Both of the Hauser brothers are glorified stretch-4s. Theo John is not an offensive threat. Sacar Amin doesn't seem particularly skilled offensively. Howard is literally the only guy that can create.
it's going to come down to matchups for them, I think. They really do have a nice set of players, but if they hit a team that can press them with some long, athletic guards they might struggle (checked and they have 2 losses to SJU this year.. that isn't surprising given what I saw today).
That said, more traditionally configured teams can struggle with them with the forwards who can step out and hit shots.
Got to give Mac and the team a ton of credit today.
and Martin with some love from the Marquette board
"I'd like to take a moment to acknowledge Krampelj made everyone his bitch."
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Re: At Marquette Game Thread
Sun Mar 03, 2019 7:31 pm
Trifecta wrote:
I don't know what to make of Marquette in the tournament. I could see them getting hot from 3 and making a Sweet Sixteen. But I could also see them getting bounced in the first round. The 4 forwards description is not too far off. They really could use another guard. Both of the Hauser brothers are glorified stretch-4s. Theo John is not an offensive threat. Sacar Amin doesn't seem particularly skilled offensively. Howard is literally the only guy that can create.
it's going to come down to matchups for them, I think. They really do have a nice set of players, but if they hit a team that can press them with some long, athletic guards they might struggle (checked and they have 2 losses to SJU this year.. that isn't surprising given what I saw today).
That said, more traditionally configured teams can struggle with them with the forwards who can step out and hit shots.
Got to give Mac and the team a ton of credit today.
and Martin with some love from the Marquette board
"I'd like to take a moment to acknowledge Krampelj made everyone his bitch."
What part of it is inaccurate?
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The trials of conference play, everyone gets to see you twice and when you are the top, everyone gunning for you. Creighton's defense was very good, they did a great job on Markus in terms of denial. That will be the pattern to play against MU the rest of the year. Hausers have to knock down a few shots to keep them honest. Thought Sacar had some opportunities today that he was taking the last few games, but not as much today.
Too timid. Seton Hall is the game that has had me worried for weeks, I didn't think today would be a loss, but easily could see at Seton Hall.
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The trials of conference play, everyone gets to see you twice and when you are the top, everyone gunning for you. Creighton's defense was very good, they did a great job on Markus in terms of denial. That will be the pattern to play against MU the rest of the year. Hausers have to knock down a few shots to keep them honest. Thought Sacar had some opportunities today that he was taking the last few games, but not as much today.
Too timid. Seton Hall is the game that has had me worried for weeks, I didn't think today would be a loss, but easily could see at Seton Hall.
Yeah, I’ve had that SHU game circled for a long time. Hopefully our road Warriors will come to the fore.
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It’s much easier to get open looks when the ball isn’t in your hands. JC also probably would’ve taken Joeys minutes which today would have been a good thing. That not only would’ve eliminated many of the TOs but we would’ve matched up defensively as well. To point to his stat line in 10 minutes of play as a basis for not playing him is nonsense
I used to think this way earlier in the season, but I really don’t think this is accurate anymore- I have been very surprised with how much wojo has played chartouney and Markus together in the last few games.
It seems to me that Markus has a much easier time creating his shot and getting a good one when the ball is in his hands more than when it isn’t. We’ve seen that all season. When he runs around off the ball trying to get an open look two things have happened for the most part
1- we typically waste a majority of the clock first
2- he usually doesn’t get a catch and shoot (like he did a lot last yr w Rowsey handling it) and instead he tries to create with much less time under more pressure in a part of the court w more congestion
It seems obvious that this team is much better w the ball in Markus hands. The team is much better w Markus having some space w ball in his hand. This means either more screens to get Markus loose or Markus picking up the extra defender and getting it out quicker.
Perhaps going inside a bit more to collapse the defense and keep their bigs honest so they can’t keep doubling him beyond the 3p line and he has more room on the perimeter
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I used to think this way earlier in the season, but I really don’t think this is accurate anymore- I have been very surprised with how much wojo has played chartouney and Markus together in the last few games.
It seems to me that Markus has a much easier time creating his shot and getting a good one when the ball is in his hands more than when it isn’t. We’ve seen that all season. When he runs around off the ball trying to get an open look two things have happened for the most part
1- we typically waste a majority of the clock first
2- he usually doesn’t get a catch and shoot (like he did a lot last yr w Rowsey handling it) and instead he tries to create with much less time under more pressure in a part of the court w more congestion
It seems obvious that this team is much better w the ball in Markus hands. The team is much better w Markus having some space w ball in his hand. This means either more screens to get Markus loose or Markus picking up the extra defender and getting it out quicker.
Perhaps going inside a bit more to collapse the defense and keep their bigs honest so they can’t keep doubling him beyond the 3p line and he has more room on the perimeter
Yeah exactly. And the bolded is what I see is the biggest problem. Teams are throwing a ton of length at Markus. And Creighton especially just absolutely blitzed the pick and roll, forcing Markus to either split the double or pass. And this is where his height is a problem. So everything stops. The motion goes away.
When Marquette's offense is humming, the ball is really moving. Today it wasn't. Creighton got everything clogged up.
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Worried about Wojo. I know we don't see or hear everything in the "in the huddle" segments, but McDermott was communicating with his players, do this, do that. Wojo was telling them (twice, of course) how much time was left (as if they couldn't read the clock). Wouldn't you think that somewhere in the course of 40 minutes there would have been some sort of answer to "What happens when they double Markus?" I know I deal with losses as well as Guru, but Jesus, it does seem to me that there were coaching opportunities today that just didn't happen.
I've been a supporter of his, like what he has been doing for the program, but do not see anything positive happening in the X's and O's, in-game adjustments. It was clearly obvious what McDermott's strategy vis a vis Markus was, yet nothing changed. He got his ass out-coached today.
One bad day a worrier shouldn’t make, but hopefully a warrior will make.
Listen, how many games has this squad looked to be in big trouble only to come back strong and pull away later in the game, making it seem like a no doubter?
I get it, you say the slow starts early and then again in the second half are on the coach. From a glass half full mind I see a coach that has had a much more laissez-faire attitude towards his guys this yr than he has in the past, and that has helped them stay calm and composed and use their skill to pull away late. This has been one of wojos biggest improvements this yr imo.
He did it again today telling them to forget everything that happened earlier in the game and play for the last 7,30. He was extremely calm late in the game, this is a huge difference from the past. Sam came out and hit a huge 3 right away and it looked like it would work again, but it just didn’t work today. It won’t always work, because you know, all Marquette’s reach equilibrium.
I would’ve liked to see more Ed and some Jamal today w Joey and Sam not at their best, and I agree w another poster that said this was one of his worst games substitution and adjustment wise- feed Sam and Joey in the post to try to get them going, feed Sam or Theo in the post, more screens etc
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One bad day a worrier shouldn’t make, but hopefully a warrior will make.
Listen, how many games has this squad looked to be in big trouble only to come back strong and pull away later in the game, making it seem like a no doubter?
I get it, you say the slow starts early and then again in the second half are on the coach. From a glass half full mind I see a coach that has had a much more laissez-faire attitude towards his guys this yr than he has in the past, and that has helped them stay calm and composed and use their skill to pull away less. This has been one of wojos biggest improvements this yr imo.
He did it again today telling them to forget everything that happened earlier in the game and play for the last 7,30. He was extremely calm late in the game, this is a huge difference from the past. Sam came out and hit a huge 3 right away and it looked like it would work again, but it just didn’t work today. It won’t always work, because you know, all Marquette’s reach equilibrium.
I would’ve liked to see more Ed and some Jamal today w Joey and Sam not at their best, and I agree w another poster that said this was one of his worst games substitution and adjustment wise- feed Sam and Joey in the post to try to get them going, feed Sam or Theo in the post, more screens etc
You answered it yourself, we only see small parts of the timeouts so why are you asking the question when you answered it for everyone?
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Yeah exactly. And the bolded is what I see is the biggest problem. Teams are throwing a ton of length at Markus. And Creighton especially just absolutely blitzed the pick and roll, forcing Markus to either split the double or pass. And this is where his height is a problem. So everything stops. The motion goes away.
When Marquette's offense is humming, the ball is really moving. Today it wasn't. Creighton got everything clogged up.
Unfortunately I think that Markus lack of height makes it extremely hard for him to first off see where to make the quick pass and then to execute it in a split second. He’s had a scorers mentality his entire life so his in traffic passing skills are not that precise yet
Gives him a skill to stick around Marquette and get better at for one more season while he breaks every scoring record, wins POY and wins a ship
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Unfortunately I think that Markus lack of height makes it extremely hard for him to first off see where to make the quick pass and then to execute it in a split second. He’s had a scorers mentality his entire life so his in traffic passing skills are not that precise yet
Gives him a skill to stick around Marquette and get better at for one more season while he breaks every scoring record, wins POY and wins a ship
You have cited the most important reason for Markus to stick around another year. If he can both hone those passing skills and have them become second nature, his future prospects will increase in a material way.
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Pure speculation here but.you wonder if some of these guys just went "oh its Creighton and it's at 2pm at home" and so.they just went out and got crap faced the night before and were sluggish because of it
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This team got their revenge on the Hauser family for the questionable shot last time.
We should've lost to this team 2x.
Much better we get a lower seed, I'd personally like to see us at 7 -- 10.
Less disappointing when we lose to higher seed. Much more exciting and better story line in March when you beat higher seeds.
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Pure speculation here but.you wonder if some of these guys just went "oh its Creighton and it's at 2pm at home" and so.they just went out and got crap faced the night before and were sluggish because of it
This is so moronic
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Yeah, I’ve had that SHU game circled for a long time. Hopefully our road Warriors will come to the fore.
I'll be at the game!
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Yeah exactly. And the bolded is what I see is the biggest problem. Teams are throwing a ton of length at Markus. And Creighton especially just absolutely blitzed the pick and roll, forcing Markus to either split the double or pass. And this is where his height is a problem. So everything stops. The motion goes away.
When Marquette's offense is humming, the ball is really moving. Today it wasn't. Creighton got everything clogged up.
You saw it, easy fix. Play like its a press because it is. Markus needs a wing man and then find the open man. Wala.
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This team got their revenge on the Hauser family for the questionable shot last time.
We should've lost to this team 2x.
Much better we get a lower seed, I'd personally like to see us at 7 -- 10.
Less disappointing when we lose to higher seed. Much more exciting and better story line in March when you beat higher seeds.
Hahah. It amazes me that people that think like this, and the getting crapfaced the night before, still exist
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Much better we get a lower seed, I'd personally like to see us at 7 -- 10.
Less disappointing when we lose to higher seed. Much more exciting and better story line in March when you beat higher seeds.
People only love an underdog when they win. They have a better chance at a Sweet 16 or further with a higher seed. Wouldn't you rather have that outcome?
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We have gone away from the pick and pop with Sam and Markus, and I’m not sure if it’s a defensive adjustment or an issue with Markus not giving the ball up. That used to be a great play to get Sam open.
Teams double Markus off the screen and he puts his head down and dribbles away from the screen. Is it height that isn’t allowing him to make that pass? Or is he trying too much to find his shot on that play?
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We have gone away from the pick and pop with Sam and Markus, and I’m not sure if it’s a defensive adjustment or an issue with Markus not giving the ball up. That used to be a great play to get Sam open.
Teams double Markus off the screen and he puts his head down and dribbles away from the screen. Is it height that isn’t allowing him to make that pass? Or is he trying too much to find his shot on that play?
This is why he needed to play off the ball more yesterday which gets back to my point that JC needed more minutes. In no way am I saying JC is the answer to our problems, or playing him more in every matchup is appropriate, but yesterday I think it would have been the right move
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This is why he needed to play off the ball more yesterday which gets back to my point that JC needed more minutes. In no way am I saying JC is the answer to our problems, or playing him more in every matchup is appropriate, but yesterday I think it would have been the right move
JC? Joe Chartouny or Jamal Cain?
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We have gone away from the pick and pop with Sam and Markus, and I’m not sure if it’s a defensive adjustment or an issue with Markus not giving the ball up. That used to be a great play to get Sam open.
Teams double Markus off the screen and he puts his head down and dribbles away from the screen. Is it height that isn’t allowing him to make that pass? Or is he trying too much to find his shot on that play?
They ran the pick and pop play repeatedly last night. Creighton covered it well. They either hedged so aggressively that there was no clean pass or they had a man in Hauser's grill.
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JC? Joe Chartouny or Jamal Cain?
Sorry, Chartouny
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We need to stop running the P&R with the 5 spot. It plays right into the defenses hands allowing the center to double Markus.
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We need to stop running the P&R with the 5 spot. It plays right into the defenses hands allowing the center to double Markus.
I had that thought as well. I think the theory is that Markus should be able to get around the pick from a big guy and cause some mismatches, but I think Creighton did a much better job of using a mobile big to guard the post versus a slower center. But yeah I think this was a problem yesterday.
I almost wonder if a five-out type offense wouldn't work in a situation like yesterday. Make teams guard more on the perimeter versus a cutting post that isn't much of a threat.
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I had that thought as well. I think the theory is that Markus should be able to get around the pick from a big guy and cause some mismatches, but I think Creighton did a much better job of using a mobile big to guard the post versus a slower center. But yeah I think this was a problem yesterday.
I almost wonder if a five-out type offense wouldn't work in a situation like yesterday. Make teams guard more on the perimeter versus a cutting post that isn't much of a threat.
I was thinking about that also. I was muttering 'go small' and my 12 year old wondered what I meant. I explained that with the defensive pressure being extended and Krampelj (sp?) on the bench, that MU should go with a line up of Markus, Sacar, and some combination of Hauser, Hauser, Bailey, and Cain in order to have more ball handlers and speed on the floor instead of having a true post in the game.
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MU has stopped going to the 5s on offense for the most part but Wojo started to go there to start the 2nd and MUs lead grew. Then MU forgot about it again and Turnover City presented itself.
Last four games: 15, 15, 18, 22 on the turnovers. MU has been scouted.
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My blue and gold brain tells me that this team could still win a few in the tournament, but my gut tells me that if we're really a 20 turnover team we may have exactly 4 games left.
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I was thinking about that also. I was muttering 'go small' and my 12 year old wondered what I meant. I explained that with the defensive pressure being extended and Krampelj (sp?) on the bench, that MU should go with a line up of Markus, Sacar, and some combination of Hauser, Hauser, Bailey, and Cain in order to have more ball handlers and speed on the floor instead of having a true post in the game.
At the very least, have either of the Hausers be the screener on the PnR rather than our big. Our 5's are not a threat when the ball screen is being set 30 feet from the basket. Doing so literally played right into Creighton's plan to blitz Markus on every ball screen. Eventually Markus stopped accepting the screen and went the opposite way which led to some easier buckets, but the PnR offense yesterday was brutal.
The other thing, and I don't want this to be a knock on Markus, but he has to at least be a threat to pass out of the ball screen. Teams are going to keep holding the double longer on him until he's willing to move the ball.
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Pure speculation here but.you wonder if some of these guys just went "oh its Creighton and it's at 2pm at home" and so.they just went out and got crap faced the night before and were sluggish because of it
I'm pretty sure they all shot up heroin and banged hookers all night. I mean, what else could possibly explain 22 turnovers? Besides, it was so easy beating Creighton the first time that who could blame them for thinking this one was in the bag?
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Agree with every single one of your points, Tower. Great post-game post. I'd add just one thing: it was surprising that Marquette didn't seem to make any adjustments during the second half.
We saw the aggressive trapping and double-teaming throughout the first 20 minutes. But I didn't notice any change in how we attacked the defense. If anything, Creighton's defense was even more effective in the second half. (MU scored 33 before the break and just 27 after.)
22 turnovers is a shocking number. So is 40 turnovers over the past 2 games. If that trend doesn't change, and soon, our season could be a lot shorter than we've come to expect.
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My blue and gold brain tells me that this team could still win a few in the tournament, but my gut tells me that if we're really a 20 turnover team we may have exactly 4 games left.
It helps that in the NCAAs we wont be going against teams we have already seen.
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I'm pretty sure they all shot up heroin and banged hookers all night. I mean, what else could possibly explain 22 turnovers? Besides, it was so easy beating Creighton the first time that who could blame them for thinking this one was in the bag?
Is that covered by their scholarships?
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At the 54.3 eFG% Marquette shot yesterday, they win the game if they have even a horrific 16 turnovers, instead of an abysmal 22.
Why can't Wojo recruit players who value the basketball?
It's like he traded in the ice cream truck for a bakery specializing in... turnovers.
/I'll show myself out
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If you would have told me we hold Creighton to that level shooting and under 70 points, we win that game. I would have taken that point total and shooting percentage before the game in a heartbeat.
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If you would have told me we hold Creighton to that level shooting and under 70 points, we win that game. I would have taken that point total and shooting percentage before the game in a heartbeat.
Wojo said almost exactly the same thing in his post-game press conference.
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I would say even with the 22 turnovers if 4 of them weren't out at mid court we win the game. How many times was the ball stolen when the other 4 guys from my were past the three point line leaving no one to help on defense. I must have seen a steal for a layup at least 5 times yesterday and a few on consecutive possessions. Even with all the turnovers the game was lost when we were up 54-50 and Joey turned the ball over 3 times in 1 min 30 seconds.
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Is that covered by their scholarships?
Hookers was covered at Louisville for awhile. Not sure about heroin.
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It helps that in the NCAAs we wont be going against teams we have already seen.
How does that benefit us more than it benefits the team were playing? Makes zero sense.
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Hookers was covered at Louisville for awhile. Not sure about heroin.
It was kind of a take on one of my all-time favorite lines:
"I spent half the money on hookers and blow. The rest, I wasted."
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Even with all the turnovers the game was lost when we were up 54-50 and Joey turned the ball over 3 times in 1 min 30 seconds.
Gave up a 16-6 run at that point to end the game, including a meaningless three pointer by Bailey in the last few seconds. Very similar to the 12-1 run by 'Nova to close out that loss.
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It helps that in the NCAAs we wont be going against teams we have already seen.
There is a book on our team, everyone knows how to play us. Time for a new look, some new plays, some creativity. Unless this is all just practice for next year.
St. JOHNS wrote the book on us, others are following.
We are not turning the ball over, they are causing us to turn the ball over.
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You break easily
Your comments about tarnishing the family name were repulsive.
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There is a book on our team, everyone knows how to play us. Time for a new look, some new plays, some creativity. Unless this is all just practice for next year.
St. JOHNS wrote the book on us, others are following.
We are not turning the ball over, they are causing us to turn the ball over.
After St. John's wrote the first chapter of this "book" you speak of, we went on an 8-game winning streak. After they wrote the second chapter, we went on a 4-game winning streak.
We simply played poor basketball on Sunday....
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After St. John's wrote the first chapter of this "book" you speak of, we went on an 8-game winning streak. After they wrote the second chapter, we went on a 4-game winning streak.
Not only that, but the way we lost to SJU (shooting like sh*t) was a lot different than how we lost against Creighton (turnovers)
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Yeah, that efg% mantra has not held up the last couple of games.
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After St. John's wrote the first chapter of this "book" you speak of, we went on an 8-game winning streak. After they wrote the second chapter, we went on a 4-game winning streak.
We simply played poor basketball on Sunday....
Copyright litigation ensued after Wojo attempted to change the Win Every DayTM slogan to Every Day I Write the BookTM.
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Not only that, but the way we lost to SJU (shooting like sh*t) was a lot different than how we lost against Creighton (turnovers)
You are correct. I just went back and looked at the two SJU box scores. We turned the ball over 12 and 9 times in the two losses...two of our better ball handling games of the season.
So no, Creighton did not follow some "book" that was written by SJU. We had more TOs on Sunday than we did in our two losses to SJU combined. Totally different games.
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There is a book on our team, everyone knows how to play us. Time for a new look, some new plays, some creativity. Unless this is all just practice for next year.
St. JOHNS wrote the book on us, others are following.
We are not turning the ball over, they are causing us to turn the ball over.
St. John's had a 6-5 perimeter defender with length and quickness who could guard Howard and take him out of his comfort zone. Not everyone has that and that's what's needed for the "book" to be written.
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Not only that, but the way we lost to SJU (shooting like sh*t) was a lot different than how we lost against Creighton (turnovers)
And not only that not only that, but SJU defended Markus by switching a lot of long athletic guards onto him, they rarely double teamed. Creighton defended him by using a very aggressive double team, the most aggressive I think we have seen all season.
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There is a book on our team, everyone knows how to play us. Time for a new look, some new plays, some creativity. Unless this is all just practice for next year.
St. JOHNS wrote the book on us, others are following.
We are not turning the ball over, they are causing us to turn the ball over.
Silliness.
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And not only that not only that, but SJU defended Markus by switching a lot of long athletic guards onto him, they rarely double teamed. Creighton defended him by using a very aggressive double team, the most aggressive I think we have seen all season.
The sad thing is Creighton didnt even do anything special. They simply double teamed n in most cases didnt even rotate. Sam would screen n they would double marKus sam would be standing literalky wide open 15 feet away and the ball would never come his way.
Watch joey C. Run pick n pop with sam. Or pick n roll with a big tgey can be things of beauty. Watch us run them with Markus, looks like a grade schooler with his head down . Ball is never delivered.
Al said many times... if the defense double teams ur all american and he wont pass then u will lose the game. Same as it ever was.
Markus great scorer, but a very poor PG. Low D1 as a PG. If he couldnt shoot hed have zero business on tge court. We unfortunately have no real options at PG. Chartouney just hasnt panned out. Great passer great on ball defender, yet hasnt gotten comfortable n season is almost over.
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The sad thing is Creighton didnt even do anything special. They simply double teamed n in most cases didnt even rotate. Sam would screen n they would double marKus sam would be standing literalky wide open 15 feet away and the ball would never come his way.
Watch joey C. Run pick n pop with sam. Or pick n roll with a big tgey can be things of beauty. Watch us run them with Markus, looks like a grade schooler with his head down . Ball is never delivered.
Al said many times... if the defense double teams ur all american and he wont pass then u will lose the game. Same as it ever was.
Markus great scorer, but a very poor PG. Low D1 as a PG. If he couldnt shoot hed have zero business on tge court. We unfortunately have no real options at PG. Chartouney just hasnt panned out. Great passer great on ball defender, yet hasnt gotten comfortable n season is almost over.
So he would be a low D1 player if he couldn't shoot but because he can he's an all american? You're selling him short big time. He's a very good ball handler in traffic. He can finish around the hoop. He plays solid defense. Yes his biggest weakness is recognizing who is open and getting the ball to them and that IS a big weakness, but your comment is silly.