Lots of talk about problems during the Buzz era.
So who/what were the problems?
This is what I remember ...
* Vander getting into a fight at Quiznos at 2AM
* Half the team busted for going into a bar when they were under 21
* Todd Mayo and the many members of the suspended for a half a West Virginia. Had to play 20 minutes with only five players. (forgot why)
And the biggie ...
* Haloween party in Humphreys circa 2011 when a girl (name never disclosed) saying she was sexually assaulted by a player(s). Don't remember the details but I remember it being detailed here many years ago.
Please correct and add above.
Question, if above is correct, was it Vander and Mayo (aka "toddler") that were the problems? Or were their others? If so, remember the fear was the Jucos were going to be problems. Vander and Mayo were not Jucos. I don't remember problems with the Jucos (DJO, Dwight B, Butler, Crowder, Fulce, etc.)
JFC
INB4LOCK
Quote from: Rick Majerus' Towel on February 28, 2019, 11:39:41 AM
Lots of talk about problems during the Buzz era.
So who/what were the problems?
This is what I remember ...
* Vander getting into a fight at Quiznos at 2AM
* Half the team busted for going into a bar when they were under 21
* Todd Mayo and the many members of the suspended for a half a West Virginia. Had to play 20 minutes with only five players. (forgot why)
And the biggie ...
* Haloween party in Humphreys circa 2011 when a girl (name never disclosed) saying she was sexually assaulted by a player(s). Don't remember the details but I remember it being detailed here many years ago.
Please correct and add above.
Question, if above is correct, was it Vander and Mayo (aka "toddler") that were the problems? Or were their others?
There were others but we definitely, definitely don't need to revisit this in an open forum.
Singleton
Quote from: mu03eng on February 28, 2019, 11:42:17 AM
There were others but we definitely, definitely don't need to revisit this in an open forum.
It is all in the archives of this site in all its detail. Hard to find as I tried.
Quote from: Rick Majerus' Towel on February 28, 2019, 11:44:03 AM
It is all in the archives of this site in all its detail. Hard to find as I tried.
What is the point of this thread
Ha. This is gonna be great...
Kinda just waiting for someone to bring politics up somehow to hurry the lock along.
Quote from: Coleman on February 28, 2019, 11:45:20 AM
What is the point of this thread
Lots of talk about the guys being "high character" now. 100% agree
Just trying to remember what was "low character" about the Buzz era (other than the obvious assault in Humphreys, Buzz survived three seasons after that happened)
Or is it "too soon" to discuss?
Quote from: fjm on February 28, 2019, 11:47:32 AM
Ha. This is gonna be great...
Kinda just waiting for someone to bring politics up somehow to hurry the lock along.
Trump sucks. Hillary is the worst. Politics are stupid.
Can we lock it now?
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 28, 2019, 11:49:23 AM
Heard he died on the cross.
Ok, I get this is too soon ....
Can we discuss Oliver Lee's bad checks? Tom Copa's driving skills? Sam Worthen's "shopping" techniques? Or are these too soon too?
Awesome thread as always Heise.
Quote from: fjm on February 28, 2019, 11:47:32 AM
Ha. This is gonna be great...
Kinda just waiting for someone to bring politics up somehow to hurry the lock along.
Here you go... Trump sucks, Obama sucks, Jill Stein sucks and for the libertarians, Gary Johnson sucks.
LOL over this topic. Feb. 28, plenty to discuss. Save this going nowhere thread for May.
We were all here. It wasn't that long ago. We know the what was reported, what was verified, and what wasn't. What is the point of rehashing this right now?
Good grief, who gives a damn. Especially things that happened almost a decade ago and have no relevance whatsoever for any type of discussion. Why do these posts even start, for the "national conversation" of every social issue on the planet.
This thread is squirmy, but I'm going to wait five years to judge it.
you forgot there was a second assault. Constant suspensions, multiple recruits that didn't arrive on campus that were head cases (Noskowiak and Harris), the small Juan Anderson violation and the Scott Monarch violation.
Also I'm with everyone else that says this is a stupid thread and completely pointless
OK, how about this .. people reply to this, and then we put it in a wiki article so it can be found and referenced for future generations.
This reminds me of Chico Escuela writing the book "Bad Stuff About the Mets".
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on February 28, 2019, 12:05:07 PM
OK, how about this .. people reply to this, and then we put it in a wiki article so it can be found and referenced for future generations.
Arby's introduced the Beef 'n Cheddar in October 2013, but the damage to MUBB had already been inflicted. This led to the Double Flush Era.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on February 28, 2019, 12:47:38 PM
This reminds me of Chico Escuela writing the book "Bad Stuff About the Mets".
Any relation to ChicosBailBonds?
Quote from: TallTitan34 on February 28, 2019, 12:47:38 PM
This reminds me of Chico Escuela writing the book "Bad Stuff About the Mets".
"Baseball been bery, bery good to me."
Quote from: Coleman on February 28, 2019, 12:57:15 PM
Any relation to ChicosBailBonds?
They had lunch once in 1979
#DoneDeal. Lock up this thread and give Heisy a break for awhile.
Quote from: Pakuni on February 28, 2019, 11:56:39 AM
This thread is squirmy, but I'm going to wait five years to judge it.
Is this where the other shoe (finally) drops?
Quote from: The Lens on February 28, 2019, 01:14:23 PM
Is this where the other shoe (finally) drops?
Relation to the exploding dukeshoes? Was it Wojo this whole time?
Can't wait to finally find out what Hiroshima was *rubs hands*
Quote from: wadesworld on February 28, 2019, 11:51:22 AM
Awesome thread as always Heise.
The Heisy version of standing in the corner and stomping his feet for attention.
Is Brent a dirt bag. Yes. Do we need to re-hash the details. No.
I'm surprised that nobody is talking about how squirmy Buzz himself was. I was glad to see him go after the crap he continually pulled.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on February 28, 2019, 02:25:48 PM
I'm surprised that nobody is talking about how squirmy Buzz himself was. I was glad to see him go after the crap he continually pulled.
I would like a wiki page for this. For reals.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on February 28, 2019, 02:32:42 PM
I would like a wiki page for this. For reals.
Let's see if we can flush something out.
By "Buzz Era Trouble" do you mean the Trouble the soccer team had paying their bills in the Buzz Era after Crean welched on his donation?
If a wiki page is done for Buzz-era problems, one should be done for Crean era issues, too.
There's nothing wrong or against the rules for posting this thread. Y'all on crack?
I have nothing but fond memories of Buzz and his time at MU
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 28, 2019, 01:11:42 PM
They had lunch once in 1979
Not so. Fake news. It was a beer summit.
Quote from: MUfan12 on February 28, 2019, 02:38:55 PM
Let's see if we can flush something out.
Do you think Scoop can hire an intern to do that for us?
This fan very much enjoyed the Buzz era.
Only made the second weekend of the tournament 3 times in 6 years. Previous coaches made it twice in 30 years. That's part of the history nobody can rewrite. The rest has been rewritten (and sometimes made up) so many times here I'll just leave it at that.
I've never understood how we're all huge Marquette fans and love the program, but we're also supposed to hate the last 20 years of Marquette history because our coaches were jerks. But it's OK to like the great players they brought into the program, and enjoy the winning memories, but the coaches suck. Wojo is great now, but when he leaves one day, we're gonna hate him and reminisce about the bad times.
This is really confusing.
Quote from: MUfan12 on February 28, 2019, 02:38:55 PM
Let's see if we can flush something out.
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Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 28, 2019, 11:49:44 AM
Trump sucks. Hillary is the worst. Politics are stupid.
Can we lock it now?
Cohen is the greatest, hey?
#lockit
Quote from: Goose on February 28, 2019, 04:09:29 PM
This fan very much enjoyed the Buzz era.
Loved the on-court results and the overall vibe of the program but the man is one weird f#ck.
There is some merit to the stories about having staff park his SUV and flushing.
True story: Buzz has an incredible germ phobia which causes him to overuse sanitizer. That's why the guy won't shake hands and he also refuses to flush.
He has a pronounced fear of the plume of toilet water that happens with every flush. "The Plume", a mix of aerosolized toilet water, infectious microbial life forms, and molecules of fecal matter, sprays the room with a shower of filth that drives Ol' Bert nuts. (Even dropping the lid doesn't prevent "The Plume;" rather, it limits the extent of the blast pattern.)
It's not that Bert directed someone to flush. It was understood that his sh1tter needed "monitoring" for both forms of sanitary release.
Perfect time for chicos to finally dish "the rest of the story" from that squirmy era. Aina.
Quote from: Jockey on February 28, 2019, 01:52:41 PM
The Heisy version of standing in the corner and stomping his feet for attention.
Bingo.
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 28, 2019, 06:54:24 PM
Cohen is the greatest, hey?
#lockit
Honestly, Sandy never quite panned out as most of us had hoped. He has done well at UWGB though.
I bet if Sandy ever testified to the NCAA the buzzster could be in a world of hurt.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on February 28, 2019, 07:16:13 PM
Perfect time for chicos to finally dish "the rest of the story" from that squirmy era. Aina.
+1
Quote from: Rick Majerus' Towel on February 28, 2019, 11:39:41 AM
Lots of talk about problems during the Buzz era.
So who/what were the problems?
This is what I remember ...
* Vander getting into a fight at Quiznos at 2AM
* Half the team busted for going into a bar when they were under 21
* Todd Mayo and the many members of the suspended for a half a West Virginia. Had to play 20 minutes with only five players. (forgot why)
And the biggie ...
* Haloween party in Humphreys circa 2011 when a girl (name never disclosed) saying she was sexually assaulted by a player(s). Don't remember the details but I remember it being detailed here many years ago.
Please correct and add above.
Question, if above is correct, was it Vander and Mayo (aka "toddler") that were the problems? Or were their others? If so, remember the fear was the Jucos were going to be problems. Vander and Mayo were not Jucos. I don't remember problems with the Jucos (DJO, Dwight B, Butler, Crowder, Fulce, etc.)
Oh how I wish Ners were here to refute this again.
How bout we start a thread about ND football and the Fighting Rapists.
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 28, 2019, 07:45:05 PM
Oh how I wish Ners were here to refute this again.
was he banned again?
Here's the ONLY thing that mattered to me from the Buzz era...he won games, and lots of them. Had the program on the cusp of elite. Then Larry Williams happened, and Father Pilarsz happened, and that was the end of Buzz. It has always amazed me that so many hold grudges against Coaches for leaving, and after they are gone, seemingly the only thing that matters is how "slimy" the Coach may or may not have been. he NEVER EVER EVER cheated, and he won. Yet, this is a demonstration of what society has become. No one looks back and cares about what they should..how many games were won(and done within NCAA rules), they only care about the off the court stuff. Winning is what should and will always matter(as long as it's done within the rules of the NCAA).
Wuz anywon called a beast, doe, hey?
Quote from: muguru on February 28, 2019, 08:33:28 PM
Here's the ONLY thing that mattered to me from the Buzz era...he won games, and lots of them. Had the program on the cusp of elite. Then Larry Williams happened, and Father Pilarsz happened, and that was the end of Buzz. It has always amazed me that so many hold grudges against Coaches for leaving, and after they are gone, seemingly the only thing that matters is how "slimy" the Coach may or may not have been. he NEVER EVER EVER cheated, and he won. Yet, this is a demonstration of what society has become. No one looks back and cares about what they should..how many games were won(and done within NCAA rules), they only care about the off the court stuff. Winning is what should and will always matter(as long as it's done within the rules of the NCAA).
I always really really liked Buzz, will always remember him fondly and was heartbroken when he left. I think he was great for the program and a great fit. Felt the same way about Kevin Oneill.
Hated that cöcksucker Crean.
Crean sucks
ND sucks
Quote from: muguru on February 28, 2019, 08:33:28 PM
Here's the ONLY thing that mattered to me from the Buzz era...he won games, and lots of them. Had the program on the cusp of elite. Then Larry Williams happened, and Father Pilarsz happened, and that was the end of Buzz. It has always amazed me that so many hold grudges against Coaches for leaving, and after they are gone, seemingly the only thing that matters is how "slimy" the Coach may or may not have been. he NEVER EVER EVER cheated, and he won. Yet, this is a demonstration of what society has become. No one looks back and cares about what they should..how many games were won(and done within NCAA rules), they only care about the off the court stuff. Winning is what should and will always matter(as long as it's done within the rules of the NCAA).
Cool. So it doesn't matter if the school is associated with sexual assault, battery, and generally poor behavior just so long as they pile up the wins. Good look for a faith based institution. Ignore list it is.
As for jucos, if memory serves me I think the problem was recruiting kids who weren't on track to graduate.
Quote from: source? on February 28, 2019, 09:32:44 PM
Cool. So it doesn't matter if the school is associated with sexual assault, battery, and generally poor behavior just so long as they pile up the wins. Good look for a faith based institution. Ignore list it is.
As for jucos, if memory serves me I think the problem was recruiting kids who weren't on track to graduate.
I've never understood the concept of ignoring everyone you disagree with.
What the hell type of a life is that??
Also the stuff about buzzes poop habits is pretty funny. What's the deal w the parking of the suv?
Quote from: DoctorV on February 28, 2019, 09:58:41 PM
I've never understood the concept of ignoring everyone you disagree with.
What the hell type of a life is that??
Also the stuff about buzzes poop habits is pretty funny. What's the deal w the parking of the suv?
Life's too short to waste time reading gurus garbage takes. Same reason I banned myself from Ners. That's the extent of my ignore list, and there are plenty of other posters I disagree with.
As to the SUV thing, supposedly old Buzz would pull up in front of the Al and make a manager park his car in the structure.
I think the test of a coach's tenure is how he exits the program when he leaves. McGuire, Raymonds, O'Neill and Crean left with tournament level talent for the next coach. No probation, no legacy of front page negative publicity and no snarky comments.
What comments did buzz make when he left? Just curious
Quote from: muguru on February 28, 2019, 08:33:28 PM
Here's the ONLY thing that mattered to me from the Buzz era...he won games, and lots of them. Had the program on the cusp of elite. Then Larry Williams happened, and Father Pilarsz happened, and that was the end of Buzz. It has always amazed me that so many hold grudges against Coaches for leaving, and after they are gone, seemingly the only thing that matters is how "slimy" the Coach may or may not have been. he NEVER EVER EVER cheated, and he won. Yet, this is a demonstration of what society has become. No one looks back and cares about what they should..how many games were won(and done within NCAA rules), they only care about the off the court stuff. Winning is what should and will always matter(as long as it's done within the rules of the NCAA).
Difference between being a fan of a college program and being an alum. We all care about the whole concept of Marquette not just the basketball program.
You would be one of the people saying about Michigan state, penn state or Syracuse's cover ups "doesn't matter they won and that's what counts" but it does to those people who are represented by that program. Certainly does to the people who were harmed during it.
From senior in HS to my senior year I turned a blind eye and only focused on the on court results, sure we were on the front page of multiple media outlets constantly and dragged through the mud but on court is what mattered. Hindsight is 20/20 and it was easy to see he was not an individual I wanted running the program that is essentially the face of the university.
Essentially, Thankful for the on court success made my main four years at MU and senior year of HS a blast going to games. Hate him for dragging my alma mater through the mud.
Quote from: TheTulsaWarrior on February 28, 2019, 10:29:48 PM
I think the test of a coach's tenure is how he exits the program when he leaves. McGuire, Raymonds, O'Neill and Crean left with tournament level talent for the next coach. No probation, no legacy of front page negative publicity and no snarky comments.
I'm sorry but this is silly. I am pretty sure no coach at MU has left the next guy with probation. Also the program was in fine shape. Every coach has to rebuild with their own players. Our coach took a strategy of the long rebuild, which is working now. Other coaches do it differently.
If you didn't like the actions or tribune article, fine. But don't make stuff up.
Medicare for all eh
At the risk of taking this off topic, has Buzz had any of the same issues at VT?
Quote from: muguru on February 28, 2019, 08:33:28 PM
Here's the ONLY thing that mattered to me from the Buzz era...he won games, and lots of them. Had the program on the cusp of elite. Then Larry Williams happened, and Father Pilarsz happened, and that was the end of Buzz. It has always amazed me that so many hold grudges against Coaches for leaving, and after they are gone, seemingly the only thing that matters is how "slimy" the Coach may or may not have been. he NEVER EVER EVER cheated, and he won. Yet, this is a demonstration of what society has become. No one looks back and cares about what they should..how many games were won(and done within NCAA rules), they only care about the off the court stuff. Winning is what should and will always matter(as long as it's done within the rules of the NCAA).
That's not accurate.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/marquette-assistant-fired-buzz-williams-suspended-for-first-big-east-game/
And I'm sorry, but the off the court stuff matters just as much as the on court stuff.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 01, 2019, 07:59:33 AM
And I'm sorry, but the off the court stuff matters just as much as the on court stuff.
Agreed, and it absolutely should. I can't believe no one has posted the giant Chicago Tribune article yet.
This is why we need a wiki page on this.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 01, 2019, 08:24:10 AM
This is why we need a wiki page on this.
We should call it the squirmy page
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 01, 2019, 07:59:33 AM
And I'm sorry, but the off the court stuff matters just as much as the on court stuff.
Absolutely, especially when the coach runs around preaching "Character Revealed". Indeed, his character was revealed.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 01, 2019, 08:24:10 AM
This is why we need a wiki page on this.
I'll build it out more later, but I added a section to the Buzz Williams page, including his departure to Virginia Tech. The entire page is quite out of date and I don't have the time to deal with it now.
https://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/buzz_williams
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 01, 2019, 08:46:27 AM
I'll build it out more later, but I added a section to the Buzz Williams page, including his departure to Virginia Tech. The entire page is quite out of date and I don't have the time to deal with it now.
https://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/buzz_williams
QuoteDeparture for Virginia Tech
In March 2015, Buzz Williams decided to run away from his poorly constructed team and the legal and NCAA issues above, and took the head coaching job at Virginia Tech; a school with no basketball tradition whatsoever. Buzz never acknowledged that he was showing a lack of the kind of toughness that he preached during his coaching tenure at Marquette, leading many to believe that he was simply a fraud and an opportunist.
LOL
Quote from: Rick Majerus' Towel on February 28, 2019, 11:51:06 AM
Ok, I get this is too soon ....
Can we discuss Oliver Lee's bad checks? Tom Copa's driving skills? Sam Worthen's "shopping" techniques? Or are these too soon too?
Tony Davis, the elevator operator?
O. Lee and BT doing lot of weed?
Artie Green, Tosa Gas?
Quote from: The Lens on March 01, 2019, 09:02:01 AM
LOL
"Fraud and opportunist" sounds a lot like a Crean description, aina?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 01, 2019, 12:41:24 PM
"Fraud and opportunist" sounds a lot like a Crean description, aina?
All the convictions, the NCAA penalties, the banners taken down, the wins vacated, the APR caused scholarship limits. What a mess. How did we ever survive?
QuoteDuring his tenure at Marquette, there were a number of issues that made some members of the Marquette community uncomfortable. Those included a one game violation and the dismissing of Scott Monarch due to Monarch lying to investigators about giving a prospect impermissible benefits.
As the story goes....A soon to be MU Chicago freshman (a few weeks) was up for a weekend to scrimmage with the team via the Amtrak and missed the train. So, the coach drove him safely back to the Southside of Chicago. The coach allowed the soon to be enrolled SA to use/grab the practice gear already allocated to him. The ride and the gear were impermissible, a couple of weeks early.
Larry thought it best to hire outside council to investigate and study security films to go after Buzz as Pilarz wanted an out contractually on Buzz (in defense, Larry was doing his job but it was the overkill that was out of kilter to some). Why Monarch lawyered up and denied what went down was plain stupid but that was the environment. Thus, Buzz got the suspension as he was the supervisor.
Professionally, it went downhill from there even faster from that point (and it was bad before that). MU was lucky to be done with the lot of them. A bunch of so-called leaders behaving badly.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 01, 2019, 01:51:16 PM
As the story goes....A soon to be MU Chicago freshman (a few weeks) was up for a weekend to scrimmage with the team via the Amtrak and missed the train. So, the coach drove him safely back to the Southside of Chicago. The coach allowed the soon to be enrolled SA to use/grab the practice gear already allocated to him. The ride and the gear were impermissible, a couple of weeks early.
Larry thought it best to hire outside council to investigate and study security films to go after Buzz as Pilarz wanted an out contractually on Buzz (in defense, Larry was doing his job but it was the overkill that was out of kilter to some). Why Monarch lawyered up and denied what went down was plain stupid but that was the environment. Thus, Buzz got the suspension as he was the supervisor.
Professionally, it went downhill from there even faster from that point (and it was bad before that). MU was lucky to be done with the lot of them. A bunch of so-called leaders behaving badly.
Go ahead and update the wiki fluffy
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 01, 2019, 01:51:16 PM
As the story goes....A soon to be MU Chicago freshman (a few weeks) was up for a weekend to scrimmage with the team via the Amtrak and missed the train. So, the coach drove him safely back to the Southside of Chicago. The coach allowed the soon to be enrolled SA to use/grab the practice gear already allocated to him. The ride and the gear were impermissible, a couple of weeks early.
Larry thought it best to hire outside council to investigate and study security films to go after Buzz as Pilarz wanted an out contractually on Buzz (in defense, Larry was doing his job but it was the overkill that was out of kilter to some). Why Monarch lawyered up and denied what went down was plain stupid but that was the environment. Thus, Buzz got the suspension as he was the supervisor.
Professionally, it went downhill from there even faster from that point (and it was bad before that). MU was lucky to be done with the lot of them. A bunch of so-called leaders behaving badly.
So the "character revealed" was that of Scott Pilarz and Larry Williams. Thank God they were fired but the well was poisoned. Who could blame a guy working under those conditions for wanting out?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 01, 2019, 03:33:26 PM
So the "character revealed" was that of Scott Pilarz and Larry Williams. Thank God they were fired but the well was poisoned. Who could blame a guy working under those conditions for wanting out?
Well, while I too loved Buzz as a coach--and he does have a lot of good personal characteristics--he is also very flawed and wasn't without a lot of guilt.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 01, 2019, 03:33:26 PM
So the "character revealed" was that of Scott Pilarz and Larry Williams. Thank God they were fired but the well was poisoned. Who could blame a guy working under those conditions for wanting out?
So the President and AD he doesn't like both are run out of town, to be replaced by a President he used to work for and a widely respected former AD, and he bolts. I don't care if he "wanted out" or not, don't give me the BS that the "well was poisoned." He did plenty of that himself.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 01, 2019, 04:09:59 PM
So the President and AD he doesn't like both are run out of town, to be replaced by a President he used to work for and a widely respected former AD, and he bolts. I don't care if he "wanted out" or not, don't give me the BS that the "well was poisoned." He did plenty of that himself.
Lenny defends Buzz to the same degree that Chico's defends Crean
Quote from: swoopem on March 01, 2019, 04:27:37 PM
Lenny defends Buzz to the same degree that Chico's defends Crean
The difference is that I have called Crean a jerk, an ahole, difficult guy to work for, poor against the zone, imbalanced recruiting classes, etc, etc. I try to put some balance in there. My "defense" has often been against ridiculous attacks. At the end of the day, he brought us Wade, performed very well in Big East, delivered a Final Four, etc. The Buzz lovers....yeah, he walks on water and there is no stopping them.
I find that to be a rather huge difference. Notice I have stayed out of this thread except for this one post....plenty could be said, but I honestly don't get why this one was brought up.
Buzz is in a perfect situation, at a football school in the middle of basically nowhere, low expectations and not a lot of people overseeing every move. At MU, basketball was the deal, and with it the scrutiny. Buzz is a very good coach, which I have also said many times.
Crean, also in a perfect situation. A rebuild, football school, in a hotbed of recruiting, he will do well first few years and then we'll see if he is able to figure it out.
Quote from: DoctorV on February 28, 2019, 09:58:41 PM
I've never understood the concept of ignoring everyone you disagree with.
Also the stuff about buzzes poop habits is pretty funny. What's the deal w the parking of the suv?
There is a large segment of the population who lectures not listens. It's a
terrible, terrible burden to be so agonizingly precise, correct, and accurate.
As for Buzzard's issues with sh1t: those insights are gold nuggets into a deeply flawed man's soul.
But beyond Bert, examinations of excrement, dung dramas, fables of feculence, number two narratives, descriptions of defecation, manure myths, comedies of crap, BM bromides, corn-choked cliffhangars, epics of excretion, stool sagas, wistful tales of well-marbled waste, poop potboilers, details of discharge, fecal folktales, spiels of sh1t, diarrhea disclosures, parables of purging, colon confessions, facts of the floater, intestinal intentions, conversations of the constitutional, sphincter shenanigans, the deuce dialogues, clearing the corona, and anal absolutions have all earned their rightful place in the Story of Man - whether for humor or for horror there is no other human activity that has at once both repulsed and fascinated the mind of Man.
As for parking, Buzz had an aversion to having to actually park his own f@cking vehicle, especially when it was cold.
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--Hy4SWcgE--/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/qn70ym2k2kxrqfjo28ew.jpg)
Quote from: muguru on February 28, 2019, 08:33:28 PM
Here's the ONLY thing that mattered to me from the Buzz era...he won games, and lots of them. Had the program on the cusp of elite. Then Larry Williams happened, and Father Pilarsz happened, and that was the end of Buzz. It has always amazed me that so many hold grudges against Coaches for leaving, and after they are gone, seemingly the only thing that matters is how "slimy" the Coach may or may not have been. he NEVER EVER EVER cheated, and he won. Yet, this is a demonstration of what society has become. No one looks back and cares about what they should..how many games were won(and done within NCAA rules), they only care about the off the court stuff. Winning is what should and will always matter(as long as it's done within the rules of the NCAA).
I pretty much agree with this. I do not follow Virginia Tech that closely, but I have not heard anything bad about Virginia Tech, since Buzz has been there.
One of the problems with the so called rape was that MU was keeping it in house instead of reporting it. MU looked really bad when they were accused of sweeping it under the rug. Was that Buzz's fault? I am not sure. I do believe Buzz left, because he was pushed out.
During the Buzz era I was thrilled with the on court results but didn't feel great about the off court stuff.....now that I know more, I regret enjoy the on the court so much cause Bert probably should have been let go (and Pilarz/Larry were schmucks so I'm not on their side)
Quote from: mu03eng on March 01, 2019, 09:02:56 PM
Pilarz
There are LOTS of whispers about Pilarz the Poet within the Georgetown Prep community.
He was sent back to Scranton because the prey was mostly at least 18...
Quote from: Cheeks on March 01, 2019, 04:35:19 PM
The difference is that I have called Crean a jerk, an ahole, difficult guy to work for, poor against the zone, imbalanced recruiting classes, etc, etc. I try to put some balance in there. My "defense" has often been against ridiculous attacks. At the end of the day, he brought us Wade, performed very well in Big East, delivered a Final Four, etc. The Buzz lovers....yeah, he walks on water and there is no stopping them.
I find that to be a rather huge difference. Notice I have stayed out of this thread except for this one post....plenty could be said, but I honestly don't get why this one was brought up.
Buzz is in a perfect situation, at a football school in the middle of basically nowhere, low expectations and not a lot of people overseeing every move. At MU, basketball was the deal, and with it the scrutiny. Buzz is a very good coach, which I have also said many times.
Crean, also in a perfect situation. A rebuild, football school, in a hotbed of recruiting, he will do well first few years and then we'll see if he is able to figure it out.
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+1. Also built up all sports, added the BC, Valley Fields, and The Al. Made the Blue & Gold Fund a viable fundraising vehicle, advanced Title IX. Hired Wojo, Kieger and Theis as a lame duck.
Crean's most selfless act, however, was also his most magnanimous: the massive donation he made to give the Marquette soccer program a home.
Crean is up there with the likes of Gates, Buffett, Tony Soprano, and Sammy Davis, Jr as a Man of Charity.
Though some may call him the Arrogant A$$hole of Athens others know him as "The Indigenous Benefactor "
When does the probation that we're on for all of Buzz's infractions end?
(I'm gonna party in the USA that day)
Quote from: Jon on March 01, 2019, 10:25:37 PM
Crean's most selfless act, however, was also his most magnanimous: the massive donation he made to give the Marquette soccer program a home.
Crean is up there with the likes of Gates, Buffett, Tony Soprano, and Sammy Davis, Jr as a Man of Charity.
Though some may call him the Arrogant A$$hole of Athens others know him as "The Indigenous Benefactor "
Did he ever actually cut the check or are we still waiting on that?
He cut the big fake golf tournamnt style check at the press conference. As far as actually donating a dollar? Not one.
It will be very interesting to me to see if Buzz makes a move in a few weeks. Texas A&M will undoubtedly open up, and it is not inconceivable to see if Texas opens up again. VT, like MU, has provided all of the resources and support a head coach could ask for, but if you read between the lines, we have already read this book before.
Buzz lost two assistants before the season began (Jeff Reynolds - A&M; Roccaforte - ECU).
He will be losing four of his starters: SR PG (J. Robinson), GS SR Wing (A. Hill) and SR F (C. Clark) to graduation, and SO (N. Walker-Alexander) to the NBA Draft (projected lottery pick).
He has a large recruiting class coming in, with next year's team composed of mostly underclassmen.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on March 02, 2019, 09:49:02 AM
It will be very interesting to me to see if Buzz makes a move in a few weeks. Texas A&M will undoubtedly open up, and it is not inconceivable to see if Texas opens up again. VT, like MU, has provided all of the resources and support a head coach could ask for, but if you read between the lines, we have already read this book before.
Buzz lost two assistants before the season began (Jeff Reynolds - A&M; Roccaforte - ECU).
He will be losing four of his starters: SR PG (J. Robinson), GS SR Wing (A. Hill) and SR F (C. Clark) to graduation, and SO (N. Walker-Alexander) to the NBA Draft (projected lottery pick).
He has a large recruiting class coming in, with next year's team composed of mostly underclassmen.
Nah, I think Buzz is going to go to UNO to make things right after abandoning the program in a time of need.
Quote from: Jon on March 02, 2019, 10:12:03 AM
Your name stinks you piece of sh1t!
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Quote from: Cheeks on March 01, 2019, 04:35:19 PM
The difference is that I have called Crean a jerk, an ahole, difficult guy to work for, poor against the zone, imbalanced recruiting classes, etc, etc. I try to put some balance in there. My "defense" has often been against ridiculous attacks. At the end of the day, he brought us Wade, performed very well in Big East, delivered a Final Four, etc. The Buzz lovers....yeah, he walks on water and there is no stopping them.
I find that to be a rather huge difference. Notice I have stayed out of this thread except for this one post....plenty could be said, but I honestly don't get why this one was brought up.
Buzz is in a perfect situation, at a football school in the middle of basically nowhere, low expectations and not a lot of people overseeing every move. At MU, basketball was the deal, and with it the scrutiny. Buzz is a very good coach, which I have also said many times.
Crean, also in a perfect situation. A rebuild, football school, in a hotbed of recruiting, he will do well first few years and then we'll see if he is able to figure it out.
Any chance on you divulging the "other shoe" now?
Quote from: Jon on March 01, 2019, 05:01:12 PM
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Quote from: Jon on March 02, 2019, 10:12:03 AM
Your name stinks you piece of sh1t!
now i get it-
Urban Dictionary: SCAT
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Quote from: rocket surgeon on March 02, 2019, 01:42:36 PM
now i get it-
Urban Dictionary: SCAT
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SCAT
SCAT is an acronym for Special Combat Assault Team. The Unit comes out of the ASS (Amphibious Support Ship) and into the MOUTH (Mobile Operational ...
As boring as it sounds, my user name actually is derived from my childhood admiration for a baseball player:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Alexander
Quote from: The Scat on March 02, 2019, 02:05:20 PM
As boring as it sounds, my user name actually is derived from my childhood admiration for a baseball player:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Alexander
just a joshin wit ya scat-man. glad to have ya on board-tro 'em da heater rickie eyn'a? ;D
Buzz did a great job for MU. Was our best coach since Al. Unfortunately the wheels started to come off the wagon for him his last year . His nature was such that it would have been hard to turn things around. Hence, I am happy he left and is doing well at Va Tech.
Things have worked out for us in the meantime . So life got better for both parties.