I'm not sure what the hell went on in Port tonight, but this is not a good look. https://twitter.com/jalen_j23/status/1095913399186264064?s=21
What is that a picture of? I'm missing something here.
Quote from: Pepe Sylvia on February 13, 2019, 11:53:16 PM
What is that a picture of? I'm missing something here.
I'm assuming it's Jalen Johnson in blackface.
Having worked in Port Washington for several years, I can assure that this will be tolerated.
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on February 13, 2019, 11:39:07 PM
I'm not sure what the hell went on in Port tonight, but this is not a good look. https://twitter.com/jalen_j23/status/1095913399186264064?s=21
It looks like Jalen Johnson with a facial cleanse mask on.
Are they ripping him for being a pretty boy cuz he got a facial??
Not sure I completely understand.
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on February 13, 2019, 11:39:07 PM
I'm not sure what the hell went on in Port tonight, but this is not a good look. https://twitter.com/jalen_j23/status/1095913399186264064?s=21
That's absolutely despicable. Every kid in that picture should be banned from attending any future high school sporting events.
Quote from: We R Final Four on February 14, 2019, 06:05:45 AM
Are they ripping him for being a pretty boy cuz he got a facial??
Not sure I completely understand.
Looks like yes, on the surface.
But it also looks a little like someone in blackface. Given the racial dynamics of Port and Nicolet, I don't think it's too much of a stretch to think that there might be some racial undertones here.
I'm guessing they were mocking him for wearing a mask especially considering the mask is blue.
Even so, probably not the best thought out taunt in this day in age seeing as it can me misinterpreted.
Apparently his girlfriend posted his blue facial cleanse mask online. The kids tried to have fun with it. It backfired. Obviously with all of the recent blackface events in the news, his is was terribly thought out. And, in my opinion, it's never ok to make fun of someone's physical appearance. Moving on, back to recruiting in this thread.....
Quote from: shoothoops on February 14, 2019, 08:06:41 AM
Apparently his girlfriend posted his blue facial cleanse mask online. The kids tried to have fun with it. It backfired. Obviously with all of the recent blackface events in the news, his is was terribly thought out. And, in my opinion, it's never ok to make fun of someone's physical appearance. Moving on, back to recruiting in this thread.....
To be fair we called Luke Harongody and Jack Cooley Shrek for years. Not saying it's ok but glass houses
Quote from: Skip Intro on February 14, 2019, 04:58:22 AM
I'm assuming it's Jalen Johnson in blackface.
Having worked in Port Washington for several years, I can assure that this will be tolerated.
He's wearing a facial mask, clearly. Normally I'd give the benefit of the doubt, but given that it's Port, nahh. Had enough experiences with them in the North Shore Confefence to know better
Quote from: shoothoops on February 14, 2019, 08:06:41 AM
Apparently his girlfriend posted his blue facial cleanse mask online. The kids tried to have fun with it. It backfired. Obviously with all of the recent blackface events in the news, his is was terribly thought out. And, in my opinion, it's never ok to make fun of someone's physical appearance. Moving on, back to recruiting in this thread.....
Ah, thanks for the background - I thought it was a Microsoft Paint job, not an actual pic. Makes a bit more sense now. Like you said, not cool either way, and ripe for misinterpretation, but we can certainly move on.
On that front, I've been keeping up with any local chatter on 2020 Ethan Morton, but it's been quiet. Not really surprising, considering playoffs start shortly. He did recently rise to #44 in the class on Rivals, for what it's worth. With the Torrence commitment, I would think we'd fall a bit down on his list, honestly. I don't necessarily see him as a dedicated point guard at the college level, more of a combo guard. Watching lots of UVA games recently, his game would seem to fit nicely in Bennett's system, and I know academics is a top priority, so that's my worthless guess.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 14, 2019, 06:08:51 AM
That's absolutely despicable. Every kid in that picture should be banned from attending any future high school sporting events.
Shoot first! Ask questions later.
Not following. They printed an actual photo that he put on social media? Or was this a photoshop situation trying to make a racial statement?
Quote from: WarriorDad on February 14, 2019, 02:06:52 PM
Not following. They printed an actual photo that he put on social media? Or was this a photoshop situation trying to make a racial statement?
Actual photo of him, that he posted, of him in a facial cleanse mask. No bad intentions. People are fabricating or at the very least misinterpreting what happened here, IMO.
Is there significance of the blue mask? Marquette blue, or Duke blue? :)
The PC crowd is reading waaaaaay too much into this calling it horrible and despicable....and kids should be banned, etc.
They were goofing on the opposing star player for getting a facial. That's it.
There's now breaking news by Fox 6 of an investigation underway:
http://via.fox6now.com/ATJ3H
Quote from: WarriorDad on February 14, 2019, 02:13:34 PM
Is there significance of the blue mask? Marquette blue, or Duke blue? :)
(https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.416230857.5464/mp,550x550,matte,ffffff,t.3u1.jpg)
Quote from: We R Final Four on February 14, 2019, 02:14:59 PM
The PC crowd is reading waaaaaay too much into this calling it horrible and despicable....and kids should be banned, etc.
They were goofing on the opposing star player for getting a facial. That's it.
Of course, but not a surprise at all. If only they had signs of Hollywood celebs in masks then all would be fine like Kimmel, or Fallon, Downey, etc.
Seems straight forward, not many dudes get facial masks and clearly it is blue....they were poking fun at him....but of course of course of course. Sigh.
Harmless intent (at least I assume that) harmful impact. Keep the intent in mind but you still have to address the impact.
Outrage culture on this one, would of course be despicable if it was a doctored photo but these kids would've done the exact same thing if a 5 star white recruit posted himself in a facial cleansing mask. Nothing to see here but I fear it gains more traction
It's such a different world we live in now
Quote from: kaps77 on February 14, 2019, 02:15:20 PM
There's now breaking news by Fox 6 of an investigation underway:
http://via.fox6now.com/ATJ3H
Now is the time to remind the Johnson family that former Badger superstar Josh Gasser was a Port Washington product...
In all seriousness, what is important to note here is that Jalen Johnson, his family, his coaches, etc., were all extremely offended by this, as evidenced by the tweets/retweets. It's not just "the PC police". This had nothing to do with MU (or UW), but I promise that it hurt either school's chance at landing Jalen or Kobe because it happened in their backyard. Doesn't really matter if you think they're being overly sensitive - they feel what they feel, and it's bad for MU.
Quote from: Skip Intro on February 14, 2019, 02:34:08 PM
Now is the time to remind the Johnson family that former Badger superstar Josh Gasser was a Port Washington product...
In all seriousness, what is important to note here is that Jalen Johnson, his family, his coaches, etc., were all extremely offended by this, as evidenced by the tweets/retweets. It's not just "the PC police". This had nothing to do with MU (or UW), but I promise that it hurt either school's chance at landing Jalen or Kobe because it happened in their backyard. Doesn't really matter if you think they're being overly sensitive - they feel what they feel, and it's bad for MU.
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But going to Durham is a solve? Ok
We have a society so ginned up to take people down in MeToo and Racial stuff that isn't there, it will ultimately destroy society.
People that made a tweet comment when they were 14 will be denied jobs or ostracized even if they cure cancer. It is amazing to watch the insanity.
Quote from: Cheeks on February 14, 2019, 02:37:45 PM
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But going to Durham is a solve? Ok
We have a society so ginned up to take people down in MeToo and Racial stuff that isn't there, it will ultimately destroy society.
People that made a tweet comment when they were 14 will be denied jobs or ostracized even if they cure cancer. It is amazing to watch the insanity.
"Destroy society" - that's some hyperbole. And all I'm saying is that when a high school kid is making his choice on where to play, a hometown / home state where he feels unwelcome is pretty easy to cross off the list. It doesn't matter if we agree with his reasoning or not.
Quote from: Cheeks on February 14, 2019, 02:37:45 PM
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We have a society so ginned up to take people down in MeToo and Racial stuff that isn't there, it will ultimately destroy society.
But the actual racism or sexual harassment won't?
Don't get me wrong, it seems what these kids did was just a stupid idea that is being looked at the wrong way, but to say the criticism around this is what's going to "ultimately destroy society" seems a bit much.
Well let's hope Jalen doesn't get wind of this thread. He wasn't happy with what the Port Washington fans did, so I'm sure all the posters talking about how soft society is will go over very well.
Quote from: Skip Intro on February 14, 2019, 02:51:45 PM
"Destroy society" - that's some hyperbole. And all I'm saying is that when a high school kid is making his choice on where to play, a hometown / home state where he feels unwelcome is pretty easy to cross off the list. It doesn't matter if we agree with his reasoning or not.
Hyperbole maybe, but innocent people's lives ruined because of false accusations and no corroboration is troubling at the least, and has long standing societal implications at the worst. If one can make a charge with no evidence to destroy someone, that is a huge societal problem.
If a kid is making a choice based on the actions of other 16 and 17!year olds, well that's just life. Kentucky hasn't had the best racial history nor has Alabama, and yet lands great athletes all the time. I think overthinking what a crowd doing with a picture of him that he posted and was not doctored in any way will influence his decision is a stretch. Most are predicting he is leaving the state, regardless of yesterday's actions.
Looks like a giant nothing burger.
Quote from: Cheeks on February 14, 2019, 03:01:13 PM
Hyperbole maybe, but innocent people's lives ruined because of false accusations and no corroboration is troubling at the least, and has long standing societal implications at the worst. If one can make a charge with no evidence to destroy someone, that is a huge societal problem.
If a kid is making a choice based on the actions of other 16 and 17!year olds, well that's just life. Kentucky hasn't had the best racial history nor has Alabama, and yet lands great athletes all the time. I think overthinking what a crowd doing with a picture of him that he posted and was not doctored in any way will influence his decision is a stretch. Most are predicting he is leaving the state, regardless of yesterday's actions.
Looks like a giant nothing burger.
Well, he doesn't think it's a giant nothing burger so maybe we should just show the kid some respect and if you want to think of a 16 or 17 year old kid as a snowflake because of that maybe that's something to keep in your own little mind.
https://twitter.com/robertzizzo/status/1096146927584972802?s=21
Nicolet superintendent Robert Kobylski issued a statement that said the picture was taken from Johnson's Instagram account and that he was wearing a charcoal facial mask to care for his skin.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 14, 2019, 03:06:06 PM
Well, he doesn't think it's a giant nothing burger so maybe we should just show the kid some respect and if you want to think of a 16 or 17 year old kid as a snowflake because of that maybe that's something to keep in your own little mind.
That's exactly it. These aren't random internet people being offended on his behalf - he's personally offended, as is his family. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter why, and reactions like Cheeks' basically read as "lighten up, kids will be kids, your feelings are wrong".
And regardless of these kids' intent with the photo itself, the WIAA has been abundantly clear that taunts like these (especially personalized ones) aren't tolerated. I doubt they see suspensions, etc., but wouldn't be surprised if they're barred from remaining games.
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on February 14, 2019, 03:22:16 PM
Nicolet superintendent Robert Kobylski issued a statement that said the picture was taken from Johnson's Instagram account and that he was wearing a charcoal facial mask to care for his skin.
So, it's Johnson's own picture!!
Despicable!
This reminds me of a story I was told by a professor during one of my advertising classes. He said a while back, Chevy was trying to increase the amount of cars it sold in Mexico. They decided that the car that they were going to try and promote in Mexico was the Chevy Nova. After months of marketing, sales were impossibly low. They couldn't figure out the issue so they did some assessment of the locals. It was only then that they realized that Nova translates in Spanish to "No go" or "not going", not exactly a positive endorsement for a car. I don't remember if they changed the name of the car in Mexico or started marketing a different car but that fixed the issue.
Now I have no idea if that story is true or not, it was the example the professor gave to drive home an important lesson. It does not matter what message you intend to send, it matters what message your customer receives. The poor Nova sales were not the fault of the locals not understanding Chevy's message, they were the fault of Chevy not realizing what impact their message would have on the locals.
The same lesson can be applied here. I'm willing to believe that the intent here was to tease Johnson about getting a facial. The impact that it has seemed to have on Johnson and others was that it was racially motivated which I think isn't an unreasonable impact to have. You can explain the intent all you want but that doesn't change the impact that it had on this student. These kids shouldn't be "destroyed" (I think that's the word Cheeks used), I'm not sure they should even be punished. Everyone makes mistakes, especially high schoolers. I think this is a teachable moment about being accountable for your actions even if you had a harmless intent. I think a genuine apology from the students involved would send a powerful and positive message.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 14, 2019, 03:37:50 PM
This reminds me of a story I was told by a professor during one of my advertising classes. He said a while back, Chevy was trying to increase the amount of cars it sold in Mexico. They decided that the car that they were going to try and promote in Mexico was the Chevy Nova. After months of marketing, sales were impossibly low. They couldn't figure out the issue so they did some assessment of the locals. It was only then that they realized that Nova translates in Spanish to "No go" or "not going", not exactly a positive endorsement for a car. I don't remember if they changed the name of the car in Mexico or started marketing a different car but that fixed the issue.
Now I have no idea if that story is true or not, it was the example the professor gave to drive home an important lesson. It does not matter what message you intend to send, it matters what message your customer receives. The poor Nova sales were not the fault of the locals not understanding Chevy's message, they were the fault of Chevy not realizing what impact their message would have on the locals.
The same lesson can be applied here. I'm willing to believe that the intent here was to tease Johnson about getting a facial. The impact that it has seemed to have on Johnson and others was that it was racially motivated which I think isn't an unreasonable impact to have. You can explain the intent all you want but that doesn't change the impact that it had on this student. These kids shouldn't be "destroyed" (I think that's the word Cheeks used), I'm not sure they should even be punished. Everyone makes mistakes, especially high schoolers. I think this is a teachable moment about being accountable for your actions even if you had a harmless intent. I think a genuine apology from the students involved would send a powerful and positive message.
Question for the thread generally, we know Jalen and his family/friends are upset/offended.....do we know if they are offended because they believe it to be racial in nature or because it is a personal attack (took a picture from Instagram to taunt him with)? If it's the former, I agree it's teachable moment about "think of it from all perspectives" and I don't think there is any punishment or action to be taken beyond that. If it's the later, and it's a violation of WIAA policy then there should be some sort of action because of the violation.
Tough spot for the kids who did it and tough spot for Jalen because he's going to get backlash for being sensitive. I'm kind of glad I'm not a kid in the current era.
Quote from: mu03eng on February 14, 2019, 03:44:41 PM
Question for the thread generally, we know Jalen and his family/friends are upset/offended.....do we know if they are offended because they believe it to be racial in nature or because it is a personal attack (took a picture from Instagram to taunt him with)? If it's the former, I agree it's teachable moment about "think of it from all perspectives" and I don't think there is any punishment or action to be taken beyond that. If it's the later, and it's a violation of WIAA policy then there should be some sort of action because of the violation.
Tough spot for the kids who did it and tough spot for Jalen because he's going to get backlash for being sensitive. I'm kind of glad I'm not a kid in the current era.
That's a good point, I didn't consider the angle that it could be against WIAA rules to do something like this.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 14, 2019, 03:06:06 PM
Well, he doesn't think it's a giant nothing burger so maybe we should just show the kid some respect and if you want to think of a 16 or 17 year old kid as a snowflake because of that maybe that's something to keep in your own little mind.
Kids think lots of stuff is doomsday, watch how they react with no internet for an hour....the world is ending and they start to go through withdrawals.
I don't think of him as a snowflake, I do think a lot of others are acting that way and of course going "there" before having any of the story...which happens way too often. Kid is under 18, I never understood why adults follow minors to begin with. I do get why other minors do, and they took a picture he put up there in the public space and used it publicly. No alteration, public domain photo, shocking.
Even if this is not racially motivated, it still speaks volumes about every kid holding up the posters. Do they even know if Jalen has any kind of skin condition where he needs to do this?
This was - at best - a mass action by a student body to bully and make fun of a student from a different school. It speaks volumes about the students. That they would do it openly speaks to the community where they live, and the teachings in the local school.
Quote from: Cheeks on February 14, 2019, 02:37:45 PM
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But going to Durham is a solve? Ok
We have a society so ginned up to take people down in MeToo and Racial stuff that isn't there, it will ultimately destroy society.
People that made a tweet comment when they were 14 will be denied jobs or ostracized even if they cure cancer. It is amazing to watch the insanity.
People standing up to others who sexually harrass them or sexually abuse them is a bad thing?
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 14, 2019, 04:15:21 PM
People standing up to others who sexually harrass them or sexually abuse them is a bad thing?
No, he said "We have a society so ginned up to take people down in MeToo and Racial stuff
that isn't there"
It's a bad thing when people are being punished for things that are assumed to be racially or sexually abusive or harrassing, but when the public takes the time to hear the whole story, there's no racial component, or no sexual abuse, etc. It's the public's increasing tendency to jump to conclusions based on a single first impression of an incident without bothering to get all of the facts.
My take is this-
If it bothered the kid and the family then it definitely bothered me.
If nothing else it's in complete poor taste. I get trying to get into another star athletes head, we did it when I was a kid and it'll be done til the end of time.
However, you've gotta be cognizant of the times and in tune with the emotions of the current era you are living in. Even if you don't agree with the rules of what is sensitive and what isn't, you have to always be respectful. The black face thing has been all over the news and to do something like this- even if you "mask" (pun intended) it under the guise of "I'm just making fun of the kid for getting facials" is completely foolish and jackass-ish. I mean how are you gonna live in the world where blackface has been all over the news and do something like that without realizing the repercussions? You're either completely disconnected with current reality, or in my opinion you think it's appropriate and/or funny due to the current reality. Terribly poor taste at the very least.
That said, I hope Wojo gives Jalen a call tonight just to shoot the crap for a while and tell him and his brother that he fully supports them and agrees that there's no place for that type of nonsense in the game. I think the kids would really appreciate it
Quote from: Cheeks on February 14, 2019, 02:37:45 PM
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But going to Durham is a solve? Ok
We have a society so ginned up to take people down in MeToo and Racial stuff that isn't there, it will ultimately destroy society.
People that made a tweet comment when they were 14 will be denied jobs or ostracized even if they cure cancer. It is amazing to watch the insanity.
Our society is horribly divided, but blame belongs on both sides.
On one side, we have racism, MeToo and other allegations that
sometimes get taken too far. On the other, we have people condoning outright sexism, racism and xenophobia. And the sentiment comes straight from the top ("very fine people on both sides"; "grab 'em by the pu$$y", etc).
We need some common sense to narrow the gap. Regrettably, I don't sense it coming anytime soon.
Unfortunate.
Quote from: Cheeks on February 14, 2019, 04:09:57 PM
Kids think lots of stuff is doomsday, watch how they react with no internet for an hour....the world is ending and they start to go through withdrawals.
I don't think of him as a snowflake, I do think a lot of others are acting that way and of course going "there" before having any of the story...which happens way too often. Kid is under 18, I never understood why adults follow minors to begin with. I do get why other minors do, and they took a picture he put up there in the public space and used it publicly. No alteration, public domain photo, shocking.
The photo was cropped to just show a closeup of Jalen's face. The full photo shows Jalen taking a selfie next (presumably) his girlfriend, who is also wearing a facial mask.
So the full context was not shown. The result is a picture that looks, to me, like a poor editing job depicting Jalen Johnson in blackface.
Hopefully people can learn from this. Be aware of not just your intentions but how others may perceive your actions.
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 14, 2019, 04:15:21 PM
People standing up to others who sexually harrass them or sexually abuse them is a bad thing?
No
People falsely accusing others of sexual abuse is, and it happens way too much with no evidence to support claims. That is a bad thing.
Quote from: BrewCity83 on February 14, 2019, 01:44:34 PM
Shoot first! Ask questions later.
You'd have to be living under a mountain to not know that this would immediately tie into the blackface discussion. Even rural Wisconsin isn't that ignorant of current events.
Quote from: DoctorV on February 14, 2019, 04:30:02 PM
My take is this-
If it bothered the kid and the family then it definitely bothered me.
If nothing else it's in complete poor taste. I get trying to get into another star athletes head, we did it when I was a kid and it'll be done til the end of time.
However, you've gotta be cognizant of the times and in tune with the emotions of the current era you are living in. Even if you don't agree with the rules of what is sensitive and what isn't, you have to always be respectful. The black face thing has been all over the news and to do something like this- even if you "mask" (pun intended) it under the guise of "I'm just making fun of the kid for getting facials" is completely foolish and jackass-ish. I mean how are you gonna live in the world where blackface has been all over the news and do something like that without realizing the repercussions? You're either completely disconnected with current reality, or in my opinion you think it's appropriate and/or funny due to the current reality. Terribly poor taste at the very least.
That said, I hope Wojo gives Jalen a call tonight just to shoot the crap for a while and tell him and his brother that he fully supports them and agrees that there's no place for that type of nonsense in the game. I think the kids would really appreciate it
But it wasn't black face and it was a picture Supposedly he or his girlfriend put out. I can totally see your argument if it actually was black face, if it actually was doctored, or not a photo of him actually with that mask. But it wasn't any of those things. Real photo, on HIS social media account, and NOT black face or even closely resembling anything other than a facial mask.
Las Vegas needs to crap down the Blie Man Group right away if this is the new criteria.
Weird hill to die on Cheeks.
Quote from: Lazar's Headband on February 14, 2019, 04:42:07 PM
The photo was cropped to just show a closeup of Jalen's face. The full photo shows Jalen taking a selfie next (presumably) his girlfriend, who is also wearing a facial mask.
So the full context was not shown. The result is a picture that looks, to me, like a poor editing job depicting Jalen Johnson in blackface.
Hopefully people can learn from this. Be aware of not just your intentions but how others may perceive your actions.
No alteration to his face at all. None.
Your last paragraph, we shut down society because someone, somewhere, is going to be offended somehow by something. It is impossible to please everyone and with so many on the prowl looking for injustices real or imagined, you might as well just stop it all.
Quote from: Jockey on February 14, 2019, 04:14:02 PM
Do they even know if Jalen has any kind of skin condition where he needs to do this?
This is so good.
Quote from: jficke13 on February 14, 2019, 04:53:17 PM
Weird hill to die on Cheeks.
Tired of the fauxrage victimhood complex that people have, especially those that immediately scream the worst only to find out later that's not what happened at all. Disgusting. Those kids weren't doing anything racist, but of course we have a bunch of know it alls here and society that insisted they were and calling for their expulsion without any facts or any evidence. Disgusting. It totally weakens actual fights against racism and other social blights when people don't gather the information all in their joy ride to try and take others down. Disgusting
I'm going to suggest to folks that no good can come from any additional dialog.
If I'm a recruit, I'm not sure I'd want to read what's in this thread, valid or not.
Quote from: Cheeks on February 14, 2019, 04:54:46 PM
No alteration to his face at all. None.
Your last paragraph, we shut down society because someone, somewhere, is going to be offended somehow by something. It is impossible to please everyone and with so many on the prowl looking for injustices real or imagined, you might as well just stop it all.
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PS:
Cheeks...its an Old Fashioned, not Old Fashion. I take my cocktails seriously!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Fashioned (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Fashioned)
Racial or not and 5 star recruit or not, this is still a high schooler we're talking about here, one who probably likes to hang with his friends and play video games and act like a normal kid when he's not being scrutinized for what he can do on a basketball court. He doesn't deserve the kind of heckling and negative attention he received in Port Washington. No high school kid does.
Shame on the poster here who's calling it fauxrage.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on February 14, 2019, 04:32:30 PM
Our society is horribly divided, but blame belongs on both sides.
On one side, we have racism, MeToo and other allegations that sometimes get taken too far. On the other, we have people condoning outright sexism, racism and xenophobia. And the sentiment comes straight from the top ("very fine people on both sides"; "grab 'em by the pu$$y", etc).
We need some common sense to narrow the gap. Regrettably, I don't sense it coming anytime soon.
Unfortunate.
+Bigly
Quote from: Cheeks on February 14, 2019, 04:44:57 PM
No
People falsely accusing others of sexual abuse is, and it happens way too much with no evidence to support claims. That is a bad thing.
You could have just said "false accusations are bad" without demonizing legitimate social movements.
Quote from: WarriorDad on February 14, 2019, 02:13:34 PM
Is there significance of the blue mask? Marquette blue, or Duke blue? :)
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Quote from: Cheeks on February 14, 2019, 03:01:13 PM
Hyperbole maybe, but innocent people's lives ruined because of false accusations and no corroboration is troubling at the least, and has long standing societal implications at the worst. If one can make a charge with no evidence to destroy someone, that is a huge societal problem.
If a kid is making a choice based on the actions of other 16 and 17!year olds, well that's just life. Kentucky hasn't had the best racial history nor has Alabama, and yet lands great athletes all the time. I think overthinking what a crowd doing with a picture of him that he posted and was not doctored in any way will influence his decision is a stretch. Most are predicting he is leaving the state, regardless of yesterday's actions.
Looks like a giant nothing burger.
this is absolutely true!! people have had to move, death threats, etc and then, in the situations when all the facts come in and prove the original story to be untrue? too late. they could do an hour long segment on 60 minutes to exonerate someone-no matta...damage is done. unless one is in that "club"
Quote from: GooooMarquette on February 14, 2019, 04:32:30 PM
Our society is horribly divided, but blame belongs on both sides.
On one side, we have racism, MeToo and other allegations that sometimes get taken too far. On the other, we have people condoning outright sexism, racism and xenophobia. And the sentiment comes straight from the top ("very fine people on both sides"; "grab 'em by the pu$$y", etc).
We need some common sense to narrow the gap. Regrettably, I don't sense it coming anytime soon.
Unfortunate.
Simple, concise, eloquently and accurately spoken.
Greeks always say "a fish smells from the head on down." Sounds better in Greek but the point stands- at the very least RESPECT and PROFESSIONALISM needs to come out of our highest offices. That shouldn't be too much to ask for, should it??
It's always nice to have sports imbedded deep in my life/passions because then I can ignore much of that other nonsense and concentrate on wonderful thing like Marquette basketball
Quote from: Cheeks on February 14, 2019, 04:54:46 PM
No alteration to his face at all. None.
I never said there was alteration to his face. I said the photo was cropped.
That opened the door for interpretation. One way to interpret the headshot is that it looks like edited blackface.
I've seen the original photo. Pretty easy to figure out what is going on. But before I saw the original, I had to figure out what the headshot meant without that context.
Quote from: Cheeks on February 14, 2019, 04:54:46 PM
Your last paragraph, we shut down society because someone, somewhere, is going to be offended somehow by something. It is impossible to please everyone and with so many on the prowl looking for injustices real or imagined, you might as well just stop it all.
Umm, not sure why society needs to be shutdown. Learn from mistakes. Maybe next time someone says, "Guys, it kinda looks like someone in blackface. Let's not do this."
Mistakes will still happen but keep learning from them. Try to make society better.
"you might as well just stop it all."
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Quote from: GooooMarquette on February 14, 2019, 04:32:30 PM
Our society is horribly divided, but blame belongs on both sides.
On one side, we have racism, MeToo and other allegations that sometimes get taken too far. On the other, we have people condoning outright sexism, racism and xenophobia. And the sentiment comes straight from the top ("very fine people on both sides"; "grab 'em by the pu$$y", etc).
We need some common sense to narrow the gap. Regrettably, I don't sense it coming anytime soon.
Unfortunate.
Perfectly said.
Quote from: DoctorV on February 14, 2019, 04:30:02 PM
My take is this-
If it bothered the kid and the family then it definitely bothered me.
If nothing else it's in complete poor taste. I get trying to get into another star athletes head, we did it when I was a kid and it'll be done til the end of time.
However, you've gotta be cognizant of the times and in tune with the emotions of the current era you are living in. Even if you don't agree with the rules of what is sensitive and what isn't, you have to always be respectful. The black face thing has been all over the news and to do something like this- even if you "mask" (pun intended) it under the guise of "I'm just making fun of the kid for getting facials" is completely foolish and jackass-ish. I mean how are you gonna live in the world where blackface has been all over the news and do something like that without realizing the repercussions? You're either completely disconnected with current reality, or in my opinion you think it's appropriate and/or funny due to the current reality. Terribly poor taste at the very least.
That said, I hope Wojo gives Jalen a call tonight just to shoot the crap for a while and tell him and his brother that he fully supports them and agrees that there's no place for that type of nonsense in the game. I think the kids would really appreciate it
I'm totally confused by all of this and ready to be educated. Assuming, and I stress assuming, the coordinated stunt by the students was simply to ride JJ for getting a facial, what is the big deal? And I may be really ignorant here, but doesn't the term black face mean a white person altering his or her facial appearance to look like they're black, which is bizarre and rightfully subject to criticism. In this case, given JJ's race and lack of intention to appear as another race, none of the criteria are met here. The logic on this board seems to be that any willful change to your face now gets lumped into black face. Weird. Anyway, like I said, I am open to any counter points.
I'm just glad we've got so many people here willing to help out this young man by telling him shouldn't be offensive to him.
Quote from: Pakuni on February 14, 2019, 05:45:56 PM
I'm just glad we've got so many people here willing to help out this young man by telling him shouldn't be offensive to him.
I guess that's my question. I genuinely want to know how the stunt is offensive from a racial standpoint - and it obviously was for JJ. I respect that and want to better understand why so I can avoid asking the question again.
Quote from: Windyplayer on February 14, 2019, 05:49:26 PM
I guess that's my question. I genuinely want to know how the stunt is offensive from a racial standpoint - and it obviously was for JJ. I respect that and want to better understand why so I can avoid asking the question again.
Why does it have to be a racial for it to be offensive to him?
Quote from: Archies Bat on February 14, 2019, 04:59:24 PM
I'm going to suggest to folks that no good can come from any additional dialog.
If I'm a recruit, I'm not sure I'd want to read what's in this thread, valid or not.
Plus Tax.
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 14, 2019, 05:52:36 PM
Why does it have to be a racial for it to be offensive to him?
Seriously. He doesn't have to justify his feelings to us or anyone else.
Quote from: Cheeks on February 14, 2019, 03:01:13 PM
Hyperbole maybe, but innocent people's lives ruined because of false accusations and no corroboration is troubling at the least, and has long standing societal implications at the worst. If one can make a charge with no evidence to destroy someone, that is a huge societal problem.
I believe there are far less false accusations than legitimate accusations and it is absolutely a good thing for our society to see people having the courage to come forward, whereas in the past they might not have. Are there some false accusations? Absolutely and that is horrible for anyone to have to endure a false accusation. Some situations like Brett Kavanaugh we will probably never know the truth, although pretty much everyone will have their opinion on what they believe. Someone like Bill Cosby got away with what he was doing for decades because people were afraid to speak about it, but now more people are willing to come forward with rape allegations, racial profiling, hate crimes, etc. and by far the majority of them are legitimate claims that should be investigated. It is just very unfortunate that a few people will put forth false accusations for political or personal gain and it does undermine the efforts of those accusations that are legit.
Quote from: Archies Bat on February 14, 2019, 04:59:24 PM
I'm going to suggest to folks that no good can come from any additional dialog.
If I'm a recruit, I'm not sure I'd want to read what's in this thread, valid or not.
Repetition...
Quote from: Warrior Code on February 14, 2019, 05:54:20 PM
Seriously. He doesn't have to justify his feelings to us or anyone else.
Oh geez. I figured the act was so incendiary because race was implicated and JJ's retweet seemed to indicate as much. If race is not involved, then WTH are we talking about? A kid that got his panty's in a bunch for students giving him a hard time for getting a facial? Don't think that's the case.
He's wearing a facial mask....If you jump to racism, I think you're the true racist.
Quote from: Windyplayer on February 14, 2019, 05:45:19 PM
I'm totally confused by all of this and ready to be educated. Assuming, and I stress assuming, the coordinated stunt by the students was simply to ride JJ for getting a facial, what is the big deal? And I may be really ignorant here, but doesn't the term black face mean a white person altering his or her facial appearance to look like they're black, which is bizarre and rightfully subject to criticism. In this case, given JJ's race and lack of intention to appear as another race, none of the criteria are met here. The logic on this board seems to be that any willful change to your face now gets lumped into black face. Weird. Anyway, like I said, I am open to any counter points.
Solid question windy.
I'll start off with saying I'm no expert here, and I doubt anyone is. All I know is that the student athlete found it offensive and called it unacceptable and that the school has already taken measures to denounce it.
I know that I've seen blackface photos all over the media lately and when I first saw that this morning I thought to myself "well that's just completely foolish and inappropriate" and my mind went to blackface.
That alone is enough to tell me that it wasn't a good idea. Someone should've stopped and said well yea this might not be smart- unless of course it was done as a rouse using the face mask excuse. My guess is that if the school is issuing suspensions there was some wrong doing involved
Quote from: Cheeks on February 14, 2019, 04:58:41 PM
Tired of the fauxrage victimhood complex that people have, especially those that immediately scream the worst only to find out later that's not what happened at all. Disgusting. Those kids weren't doing anything racist, but of course we have a bunch of know it alls here and society that insisted they were and calling for their expulsion without any facts or any evidence. Disgusting. It totally weakens actual fights against racism and other social blights when people don't gather the information all in their joy ride to try and take others down. Disgusting
So Port Washington High School is publicly apologizing and opening an investigation just for fun. Got it.
Said it in the golf thread. Chicos on his meds is somewhat bearable. Even Chicos Crean lover is annoying but whatever. Chicos "rich white male are so persecuted it's insane" ranter makes this place an embarrassment for everyone here.
my god its hard to get more embarrassing than this thread is. and this will ABSOLUTELY hurt us on the recruiting trail if any fan base cares to screenshot this and throw it out there for all to see.
it doesn't matter if its a facial, if they wanted to make fun of jj for being a softy for getting a facial they wouldve printed the entire photo with his girlfriend on the photo which wouldve made it even more easy to poke good natured fun at. when you zoom it in, cut the girl out it LOOKS like blackface. you think every single one of these kids thought hey this just looks like a facial that we can make fun of him for? heck no! theres a reason his coaches, family, and himself are so mad! theres a reason the school is going to suspend kids for this! if you think this is society just being soft and faux outrage youre just as dumb as the kids who did this!
and why would a racist thing (blackface) be offensive if its on someones face that is already black? are you kidding me?! i can't believe i actually have to answer that question, but its calling him fake black. he needs blackface to make himself black.
when people talk about how far weve come as a society we need only look at this thread. and it's a group of adult, jesuit educated people. never been so embarrassed by the mu fan base. what a joke. this thread needs to be entirely blown up.
even if its faux outrage, the kid is upset by it and here we are telling him to get over it. and his friends, kids we will be trying to recruit, will have his back and be pissed at exactly the type of people we apparently are. embarrassing. what a time to do this. 3 players ranked in the top 5 in the country in our back yard and were going to do our best to run them out of the state as fast as we can. nice.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 14, 2019, 06:18:18 PM
So Port Washington High School is publicly apologizing and opening an investigation just for fun. Got it.
Said it in the golf thread. Chicos on his meds is somewhat bearable. Even Chicos Crean lover is annoying but whatever. Chicos "rich white male are so persecuted it's insane" ranter makes this place an embarrassment for everyone here.
This + 1,000
This thread is not our finest moment.
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 14, 2019, 05:16:50 PM
You could have just said "false accusations are bad" without demonizing legitimate social movements.
I could, but then I'd have to say We Must Believe All. (Regardless if evidence exists or not)
Quote from: Pakuni on February 14, 2019, 05:45:56 PM
I'm just glad we've got so many people here willing to help out this young man by telling him shouldn't be offensive to him.
I'm just glad we have people here ready to cast guilty judgments on kids, kick them out, never go to any more athletic events, etc........ goes both ways.
Quote from: Cheeks on February 14, 2019, 04:58:41 PM
Tired of the fauxrage victimhood complex that people have, especially those that immediately scream the worst only to find out later that's not what happened at all.
Surely I am not the only one to appreciate the delicious irony of this statement coming from this poster. Thanks for the laugh.
Quote from: tower912 on February 14, 2019, 07:11:58 PM
Surely I am not the only one to appreciate the delicious irony of this statement coming from this poster. Thanks for the laugh.
Anytime, no different than Sultan, Brew, MU82, etc with the victimhood on parade.
Seriously Chicos. Between this thread and the Kuchar thread we get where you stand. Do everyone, including yourself, a favor and have a glass of wine with the wife, enjoy a nice Valentine's Day evening, and try again tomorrow.
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Quote from: GooooMarquette on February 14, 2019, 04:32:30 PM
Our society is horribly divided, but blame belongs on both sides.
On one side, we have racism, MeToo and other allegations that sometimes get taken too far. On the other, we have people condoning outright sexism, racism and xenophobia. And the sentiment comes straight from the top ("very fine people on both sides"; "grab 'em by the pu$$y", etc).
We need some common sense to narrow the gap. Regrettably, I don't sense it coming anytime soon.
Unfortunate.
True, in your examples you forgot the current anti-semitism that comes from some of the new leadership thrust upon us. It is appalling.....yes, examples on BOTH sides...we agree. Maybe the rush to judgments should slow down a few mph, just a thought. A few weeks ago other kids were blamed for stuff and within 48 hours journalists were deleting tweets so fast it was incredible...why...because the COMPLETE information came in. People are in such a desired state to burn people at the stake...sad.
Sorry going to come and call it out. There are far too many racists here on Scoop. I don't know if they realize it or not. Far more than I saw while at MU. Not teal.
Quote from: Archies Bat on February 14, 2019, 04:59:24 PM
I'm going to suggest to folks that no good can come from any additional dialog.
If I'm a recruit, I'm not sure I'd want to read what's in this thread, valid or not.
Quote from: Cheeks on February 14, 2019, 07:20:56 PM
Anytime, no different than Sultan, Brew, MU82, etc with the victimhood on parade.
BS. You go on with your "oh my stars what will happen when REAL racism shows up?" line of crap, ignoring that this is real racism. And ignoring what you perceive as smaller indications of racism is how society comes to accept large scale racism.
I suppose it shouldn't be a surprise, this crap has been happening more and more blatantly for years now, but I'm sure these kids are "very fine people..."
One group is totally right, one is totally wrong. The end.
Best thread ever.