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Title: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: Lennys Tap on January 26, 2019, 03:26:38 PM
Like most (all?) Marquette fans I have never liked DG. Today, he was "Awesome with a capital A, baby". Excellent analysis, very complimentary and (like the play by play guy) said we'll always be the Warriors!

Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: Johnny B on January 26, 2019, 03:27:39 PM
They clearly liked mu more than X. And did Doug say basketball porn?
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: Cheeks on January 26, 2019, 03:27:46 PM
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 26, 2019, 03:26:38 PM
Like most (all?) Marquette fans I have never liked DG. Today, he was "Awesome with a capital A, baby". Excellent analysis, very complimentary and (like the play by play guy) said we'll always be the Warriors!

I 100% agree with Lenny
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on January 26, 2019, 03:28:00 PM
He was great today.

Just threw up in my mouth.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: BM1090 on January 26, 2019, 03:28:51 PM
He was excellent. First time all year I felt I was learning something from the color commentator.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: The Sultan on January 26, 2019, 03:29:17 PM
Fox's use of close ups and camera angles annoys me to no end however.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: MUEng92 on January 26, 2019, 03:30:06 PM
Could've done with out some of the sound effects early.  NSFW

But, yes he was good otherwise
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: DUNKS45 on January 26, 2019, 03:30:31 PM
I was pleasantly surprised, I liked his take about scraping with Wojo too
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: RJax55 on January 26, 2019, 03:31:04 PM
Today we got Gottlieb the basketball color man. He's excellent in that role. When he morphs into Doug Gottlieb the radio show host is when he sucks.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 26, 2019, 03:31:07 PM
Rough start when he got distracted by the beer to open the game but it was a Marquette love fest after that. Also ripped on the officiating which was nice.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: Jockey on January 26, 2019, 03:31:35 PM
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 26, 2019, 03:26:38 PM
Like most (all?) Marquette fans I have never liked DG. Today, he was "Awesome with a capital A, baby". Excellent analysis, very complimentary and (like the play by play guy) said we'll always be the Warriors!

+1000
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: warriorchick on January 26, 2019, 03:32:18 PM
Which of the announcers said that the kid  in the student section was wearing an old school Marquette uniform?  How can they not know what are current unis look like?
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: DarkWarrior on January 26, 2019, 03:32:32 PM
He was very informative and very supportive of MU. Objective on the refs as well.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: skianth16 on January 26, 2019, 03:32:40 PM
I've always liked Gottlieb. He can talk too much at times, but I think he's one of the few guys that goes out of his way to explain the game. I was happy to see he was on the game today, and I thought he did a great job. I liked the Gottlieb/Brenneman duo today.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: wadesworld on January 26, 2019, 03:33:12 PM
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 26, 2019, 03:26:38 PM
Like most (all?) Marquette fans I have never liked DG. Today, he was "Awesome with a capital A, baby". Excellent analysis, very complimentary and (like the play by play guy) said we'll always be the Warriors!

He's always very knowledgeable and I typically agree with most of what he says, he just can't get out of his own way sometimes and loves hearing his own voice way too much. As a color guy who has to let the play by play guy talk, he's good. As a studio guy he tries to be the smartest guy on set.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on January 26, 2019, 03:33:18 PM
Quote from: warriorchick on January 26, 2019, 03:32:18 PM
Which of the announcers said that the kid  in the student section was wearing an old school Marquette uniform?  How can they not know what are current unis look like?

They called it the '77 championship style' or 'old school style' jersey.  Which isn't wrong. 
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 26, 2019, 03:33:49 PM
Have always liked DG.  Many dont like him for his whining, but his basketball analysis is great
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 26, 2019, 03:34:04 PM
When Doug was with CBS couple of year ago, this board liked his call on National Marquette Day of the Xavier at Marquette game on CBSSN. He calls a good game.

Most of the hate comes from his twitter shots at the Big East Conference in 2015 after Villanova lost to NC State.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on January 26, 2019, 03:34:20 PM
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 26, 2019, 03:26:38 PM
Like most (all?) Marquette fans I have never liked DG. Today, he was "Awesome with a capital A, baby". Excellent analysis, very complimentary and (like the play by play guy) said we'll always be the Warriors!
+1 actually felt like he was adding to the understanding of Markus' game too. 
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: MUBurrow on January 26, 2019, 03:35:04 PM
I can't believe how much I enjoyed him today. Brennaman is a perfect match for him - he lets Gottlieb just be a guy watching basketball.  If he just morphs into a weird, brotastic, Vegas insider kind of slimy version of Bill Walton, that would be a great career curveball for him that I didn't see coming.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: tower912 on January 26, 2019, 03:35:16 PM
I have been rough on him in the past.  He clearly likes the way this team plays and was not shy about saying it.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 26, 2019, 03:36:09 PM
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on January 26, 2019, 03:34:04 PM
When Doug was with CBS couple of year ago, this board liked his call on National Marquette Day of the Xavier at Marquette game on CBSSN. He calls a good game.

Most of the hate comes from his twitter shots at the Big East Conference in 2015 after Villanova lost to NC State.

Nah, my gripe came in 2013. "Miami by a sizeable margin," with an obviously smug look on his face. But yes, he was excellent today.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: warriorchick on January 26, 2019, 03:37:19 PM
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on January 26, 2019, 03:33:18 PM
They called it the '77 championship style' or 'old school style' jersey.  Which isn't wrong.

In what way?  It was designed to be basically a mashup of the uniforms of the last 40 years.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: The Sultan on January 26, 2019, 03:37:46 PM
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on January 26, 2019, 03:34:04 PM
When Doug was with CBS couple of year ago, this board liked his call on National Marquette Day of the Xavier at Marquette game on CBSSN. He calls a good game.

Most of the hate comes from his twitter shots at the Big East Conference in 2015 after Villanova lost to NC State.


The "hate" comes from where Fox sets him up to give his Super Bowl prediction during the middle of the game.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: BCHoopster on January 26, 2019, 03:38:36 PM
Like DG dissecting the play to Joey, nice out of bounds play!
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: Eye on January 26, 2019, 03:39:40 PM
Like Gottlieb. He was only one to say Arizona choked against Illinois in the Final 8 in 2005.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 26, 2019, 03:40:00 PM
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 26, 2019, 03:36:09 PM
Nah, my gripe came in 2013. "Miami by a sizeable margin," with an obviously smug look on his face. But yes, he was excellent today.
So, a prediction.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on January 26, 2019, 03:40:27 PM
Quote from: warriorchick on January 26, 2019, 03:37:19 PM
In what way?  It was designed to be basically a mashup of the uniforms of the last 40 years.

Color for starters.  Guess I am just wasn't as offended.  Seemed like an ok comment. 
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: We R Final Four on January 26, 2019, 03:40:51 PM
Quote from: warriorchick on January 26, 2019, 03:32:18 PM
Which of the announcers said that the kid  in the student section was wearing an old school Marquette uniform?  How can they not know what are current unis look like?
That was Doug.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: WarriorHal on January 26, 2019, 03:43:10 PM
Quote from: warriorchick on January 26, 2019, 03:37:19 PM
In what way?  It was designed to be basically a mashup of the uniforms of the last 40 years.

When I saw it, I immediately thought 76-77 season uniform... designed by Bo!
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: mileskishnish72 on January 26, 2019, 03:45:03 PM
It's easy to bitch about the officiating (especially when things are not going well). I usually don't go overboard with that, but today I was kind of stunned by how bad the zebras were, and was somewhat vocal about it with some colorful language. Such behavior on my part usually leads to marital discord, so I am grateful to Gottlieb for bailing me out today. My theory is that when even the announcers are critical, the reffing is bad. I would say that (at least) half of the fouls on Theo and Matt were poor calls. The makeup call on Sam was egregiously inept.

Can anyone point out a good place online to see who reffed where? So far the box scores I've seen do not list the officials.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: MuMark on January 26, 2019, 03:47:07 PM
Good call Lenny......Doug was really good today.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: Eye on January 26, 2019, 03:57:01 PM
Pomeroy. Not sure if it's behind the pay wall or not.

In any case, Roger Ayers - 5th in 6 days, this week, Charlotte Monday, Pitt Tuesday, Fordham Wednesday, cuse Thursday, Cincy today.

Brent Hampton - 4th in 5 days, this week, Georgia Tech Tuesday, Rhode Island Wednesday, Southern Miss Thursday, Cincy today

Tim Clougherty - 3rd in 4 days, this week, UMass Wednesday, cuse Thursday, Cincy today.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 26, 2019, 03:59:42 PM
Quote from: MuMark on January 26, 2019, 03:47:07 PM
Good call Lenny......Doug was really good today.
He was also good with Joe Davis on FS1 for Arizona at USC on Thursday night.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: mileskishnish72 on January 26, 2019, 04:00:00 PM
Thanks, Eye.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on January 26, 2019, 04:03:31 PM
I said at the beginning of the game in the game thread, DG blows.  He changed my opinion of him after today. He was good. 
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: mileskishnish72 on January 26, 2019, 04:03:48 PM
Found a KenPom article fro 2 yrs. ago that said that Ayers was the best ref. Yikes!
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: Eye on January 26, 2019, 04:12:36 PM
YW Miles. Pomeroy's ref ratings are based on the team rankings of the games the individual official officiates. So a guy who does a Villanova - Marquette game this year gets more credit than a guy who does a Milwaukee - Green Bay game this year. Not based on any objective analysis of how the official does in the games he does.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on January 26, 2019, 04:18:46 PM
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 26, 2019, 03:26:38 PM
Like most (all?) Marquette fans I have never liked DG. Today, he was "Awesome with a capital A, baby". Excellent analysis, very complimentary and (like the play by play guy) said we'll always be the Warriors!

My wife said early in the game today that the announcers seem really good like they know what they are talking about.  Told her that Doug G. Was "spot on."  He was a 100% better than Brian Anderson who doesn't know basketball and that's why he is awful as a play by play announcer.  Hope we have more Doug G. Do more games.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: wadesworld on January 26, 2019, 04:22:59 PM
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on January 26, 2019, 04:18:46 PM
My wife said early in the game today that the announcers seem really good like they know what they are talking about.  Told her that Doug G. Was "spot on."  He was a 100% better than Brian Anderson who doesn't know basketball and that's why he is awful as a play by play announcer.  Hope we have more Doug G. Do more games.

Comparing the color guy to the play by play guy probably isn't the best comparison to make.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 26, 2019, 04:26:52 PM
Wow. That's a new one. Someone not liking Brian Anderson.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: MU82 on January 26, 2019, 04:27:27 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on January 26, 2019, 03:33:12 PM
He's always very knowledgeable and I typically agree with most of what he says, he just can't get out of his own way sometimes and loves hearing his own voice way too much. As a color guy who has to let the play by play guy talk, he's good. As a studio guy he tries to be the smartest guy on set.

This. Well said, wades.

I said after the game that it was nice hearing Brennaman and Gotlieb today, thought they added to the broadcast.

The only time my wife and I got p-o'ed was when they kept talking about their spilled coffee while the game was going on and they completely missed a foul call, on Joey IIRC.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on January 26, 2019, 04:28:56 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on January 26, 2019, 04:22:59 PM
Comparing the color guy to the play by play guy probably isn't the best comparison to make.

Tell that to Anderson who does more color talk than play by play announcing.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: jsglow on January 26, 2019, 04:38:33 PM
I thought the play by play guy was awful.  And I could give a crap if you spill your coffee.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: muhoosier260 on January 26, 2019, 04:49:43 PM
Quote of the game was when they were talking nfl playoffs and DG complimented the patriots saying "they went into kansas city and let the air out of the football, air out of the stadium"
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: MUeng on January 26, 2019, 04:59:20 PM
Doug was into the game today. You could tell both were like "whew, these teams can shoot!" Great BE game, great win. Doug keeps it real
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: GooooMarquette on January 26, 2019, 05:06:02 PM
I've had issues with Doug in the past - mostly that he often seemed to be overly critical of MU. Maybe he didn't like TC or Burt but likes Wojo; maybe he just likes this group of guys; or maybe he is maturing enough to rein in his biases. Whatever it was, I thought he was outstanding today.

Once he stops ripping your team long enough to get you to want to listen, he really is awesome at dissecting the plays.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 26, 2019, 05:17:52 PM
Quote from: jsglow on January 26, 2019, 04:38:33 PM
I thought the play by play guy was awful.  And I could give a crap if you spill your coffee.
I'm sure he gives Cubs fans nightmares in what happened in October of 2003.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: BrewCity83 on January 26, 2019, 05:20:42 PM
My favorite DG quote today was, "Wojo is tougher than a two-dollar steak."
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on January 27, 2019, 01:38:47 AM
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on January 26, 2019, 05:17:52 PM
I'm sure he gives Cubs fans nightmares in what happened in October of 2003.

"Young Thhhhom Brennaman ." - harry carey.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: shoothoops on January 27, 2019, 07:43:53 AM
Quote from: wadesworld on January 26, 2019, 04:22:59 PM
Comparing the color guy to the play by play guy probably isn't the best comparison to make.

Yes, these are two very different jobs.

DG was good today. It's an example of why it is important to take situations individually for what they are. 

At times, DG can either talk too much, too negatively, too bluntly, and/or too impulsively, including about topics in which he is not well versed.  Delivery of message matters.  Bill Raftery for example is always positive and encouarging for players who make mistakes, or play poorly, while still pointing out their mistakes.  This is one of many reasons Raft comes across as more likable.  DG doesn't have to be like that, just be yourself, but stick primarily to the game at hand, pointing things out and why in at least a neutral manner, that comes across that you are enjoying what you are doing.

DG did well muchof the time today. 

Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: We R Final Four on January 27, 2019, 08:01:29 AM
DG was very good today. Like others, not a recent fan of his work.
My only criticism was on Joe's steal and subsequent poor pass to MH. DG blamed that pass on Joe's "lack of self confidence."
I thought was a bit lazy. Joe made a poor play,and DG was just itching to use his pre game notebook.

GAME NOTES:

Joe C.      Lacking self confidence.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: mujivitz06 on January 27, 2019, 08:45:17 AM
I, like, most of you here, liked DG yesterday on the call. He was funny, honest, insightful, and organic. However I have to say, and I think we should all be able to admit, a lot of that was because of how complimentary he was toward MU. We have to be honest that we enjoy hearing a 2 hour love fest for our team. I'm sure Xavier fans couldn't stand to hear the tongue bath we got. I'm not saying it was undeserved, but it makes me chuckle every time fans claim they want unbiased announcers/media. No, we want to hear them be fans of the team we like.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: burger on January 27, 2019, 08:52:21 AM
Nothing like showing "underage" drinking on national TV and the only one wearing a MU uniform.....

Got to love those fake ID's.....

I thought the line about Jesuit schools "serving" students on a Saturday afternoon was actually funny.....

My read......I actually think the kid was a graduate....and hanging out with his"Xavier" jail bait girl friend/previous hook-up.......A lot of that "cross-mingling" in Rome on those semesters.....

PS.....He called Marquette ....The Warriors going into one commercial.......
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 27, 2019, 09:21:43 AM
Dislike of Doug mite stem back two da daze his old man, as hed coach of da Panthers, ewesta hand out UWM schedules ta Warrior fans as wee entered the MECCA for hour games, hey?
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: MU82 on January 27, 2019, 09:25:05 AM
Quote from: mujivitz06 on January 27, 2019, 08:45:17 AM
I, like, most of you here, liked DG yesterday on the call. He was funny, honest, insightful, and organic. However I have to say, and I think we should all be able to admit, a lot of that was because of how complimentary he was toward MU. We have to be honest that we enjoy hearing a 2 hour love fest for our team. I'm sure Xavier fans couldn't stand to hear the tongue bath we got. I'm not saying it was undeserved, but it makes me chuckle every time fans claim they want unbiased announcers/media. No, we want to hear them be fans of the team we like.

Reasonable take, to be sure.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: Nukem2 on January 27, 2019, 09:28:14 AM
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 27, 2019, 09:21:43 AM
Dislike of Doug mite stem back two da daze his old man, as hed coach of da Panthers, ewesta hand out UWM schedules ta Warrior fans as wee entered the MECCA for hour games, hey?
Nah, he wuz a Domer (until he got caught red handed with dem little plastic kards).  Dat's enough right dere.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: wadesworld on January 27, 2019, 11:40:42 AM
Quote from: burger on January 27, 2019, 08:52:21 AM
Nothing like showing "underage" drinking on national TV and the only one wearing a MU uniform.....

Got to love those fake ID's.....

I thought the line about Jesuit schools "serving" students on a Saturday afternoon was actually funny.....

My read......I actually think the kid was a graduate....and hanging out with his"Xavier" jail bait girl friend/previous hook-up.......A lot of that "cross-mingling" in Rome on those semesters.....

PS.....He called Marquette ....The Warriors going into one commercial.......

This is a very odd post.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: JWags85 on January 27, 2019, 01:11:00 PM
Quote from: burger on January 27, 2019, 08:52:21 AM
My read......I actually think the kid was a graduate....and hanging out with his"Xavier" jail bait girl friend/previous hook-up.......A lot of that "cross-mingling" in Rome on those semesters.....

Methinks you don't know what jailbait actually means..but otherwise this post was still very odd
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 27, 2019, 01:23:39 PM
Quote from: mujivitz06 on January 27, 2019, 08:45:17 AM
I, like, most of you here, liked DG yesterday on the call. He was funny, honest, insightful, and organic. However I have to say, and I think we should all be able to admit, a lot of that was because of how complimentary he was toward MU. We have to be honest that we enjoy hearing a 2 hour love fest for our team. I'm sure Xavier fans couldn't stand to hear the tongue bath we got. I'm not saying it was undeserved, but it makes me chuckle every time fans claim they want unbiased announcers/media. No, we want to hear them be fans of the team we like.

This. He was drooling over Marquette.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: burger on January 27, 2019, 04:55:42 PM
Not odd.....Just the way it is......

When is that last time you have seen them show a student in the stands at any game drinking.....

When do you see "one" MU student/alumni in the Xavier student section.....If a road trip....There would be more MU gear and people....So some kind of connection.....

And I know of at least 3 marriages out of Rome semesters where Xavier and MU have "co-mingled"

Or do we not share facilities with Xavier on Rome semesters any more????
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 27, 2019, 05:21:32 PM
Quote from: burger on January 27, 2019, 04:55:42 PM
Not odd.....Just the way it is......

When is that last time you have seen them show a student in the stands at any game drinking.....

When do you see "one" MU student/alumni in the Xavier student section.....If a road trip....There would be more MU gear and people....So some kind of connection.....

And I know of at least 3 marriages out of Rome semesters where Xavier and MU have "co-mingled"

Or do we not share facilities with Xavier on Rome semesters any more????

Somehow even more odd.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: wadesworld on January 27, 2019, 06:00:52 PM
Quote from: burger on January 27, 2019, 04:55:42 PM
Not odd.....Just the way it is......

When is that last time you have seen them show a student in the stands at any game drinking.....

When do you see "one" MU student/alumni in the Xavier student section.....If a road trip....There would be more MU gear and people....So some kind of connection.....

And I know of at least 3 marriages out of Rome semesters where Xavier and MU have "co-mingled"

Or do we not share facilities with Xavier on Rome semesters any more????

So let me get this straight. You think the kid is a graduate from MU hanging out with his "jail bate" (not sure you know what that means but we'll go with it). But you think they're showing an underage kid drinking. So did this kid entered college at 15 years old or...? If he's a grad he's at least 22 years old. The drinking age is 21...

The fact of the matter is if the kid is a junior or senior he's more than likely over 21 years old and legally drinking. And there were something like 47 kids from Marquette High and DSHA that went to Xavier in this freshman class. Xavier is a very popular school for Milwaukee area high school graduates. I have 2 younger brothers that go there and an older sister that went there. Chances are the kid has friends who went to Xavier and he's visiting them for the game.

But maybe he's a 19 year old college graduate who's macking on some Xavier randos...
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 27, 2019, 06:07:39 PM
hes a bartender at Caffs according to Facebook
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 27, 2019, 08:45:08 PM
Just to add information into this very odd discussion....age of consent in Ohio is 16 (gross). So unless she was 15 or younger, she was not jailbait.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: brewcity77 on January 28, 2019, 03:32:02 AM
This thread has taken a rather disturbing and bizarre turn.  :o
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 28, 2019, 04:30:08 AM
Quote from: We R Final Four on January 27, 2019, 08:01:29 AM
DG was very good today. Like others, not a recent fan of his work.
My only criticism was on Joe's steal and subsequent poor pass to MH. DG blamed that pass on Joe's "lack of self confidence."
I thought was a bit lazy. Joe made a poor play,and DG was just itching to use his pre game notebook.

GAME NOTES:

Joe C.      Lacking self confidence.

I wholeheartedly disagree.  Chartouney had the ball and had space but didnt want the ball so he forced it to Markus who had defenders near him and he  had to throw the ball behind Markus to have any hope of markus catching it n not the defenders.  A more confident player attacks as he had a clear path foward, but hot potatoed it.  Hot potatoing it defined as "i want nothing to do with this ball, u take it". Putting the receiver in an inferior position than  the passer had the ball in, in a pure effort/panic to get rid of the ball.  Thought joe c played well but that was a baaad moment.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 28, 2019, 11:31:05 AM
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Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: GuyFromXGame on January 28, 2019, 12:13:57 PM
Quote from: burger on January 27, 2019, 04:55:42 PM
Not odd.....Just the way it is......

When is that last time you have seen them show a student in the stands at any game drinking.....

When do you see "one" MU student/alumni in the Xavie
r student section.....If a road trip....There would be more MU gear and people....So some kind of connection.....

And I know of at least 3 marriages out of Rome semesters where Xavier and MU have "co-mingled"

Or do we not share facilities with Xavier on Rome semesters any more????

Im the guy from the student section. Never been on this forum before so i don't know if I'm using it right or not but I was sent this disturbing thread by a friend and made this account to respond.

I'm a 22 year old senior at Marquette and was visiting my sister at XU who's a freshman there. I'm definitely not a grad with some "jail bait".

Also yea I bartend at Caff's. Come visit and talk MUBB with me sometime! Except for you, burger. You can stay away.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: RJax55 on January 28, 2019, 12:19:54 PM
Quote from: GuyFromXGame on January 28, 2019, 12:13:57 PM
Im the guy from the student section. Never been on this forum before so i don't know if I'm using it right or not but I was sent this disturbing thread by a friend and made this account to respond.

I'm a 22 year old senior at Marquette and was visiting my sister at XU who's a freshman there. I'm definitely not a grad with some "jail bait".

Also yea I bartend at Caff's. Come visit and talk MUBB with me sometime! Except for you, burger. You can stay away.

Welcome.

And, forget Burger. Just another old guy on Scoop talking like he's a dumbass 18 year old bro.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: rocky_warrior on January 28, 2019, 12:20:12 PM
Hah, thanks GuyFromXGame -  stick around, it's pretty much like a pub.  We have bouncers too - they just aren't very good at their job.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: BCHoopster on January 28, 2019, 12:23:13 PM
Right on, how did the x kids treat you? You were awesome!
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 28, 2019, 12:24:18 PM
Quote from: GuyFromXGame on January 28, 2019, 12:13:57 PM
Im the guy from the student section. Never been on this forum before so i don't know if I'm using it right or not but I was sent this disturbing thread by a friend and made this account to respond.

I'm a 22 year old senior at Marquette and was visiting my sister at XU who's a freshman there. I'm definitely not a grad with some "jail bait".

Also yea I bartend at Caff's. Come visit and talk MUBB with me sometime! Except for you, burger. You can stay away.

Game. Set. Match.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: jsglow on January 28, 2019, 12:27:16 PM
Absolutely stick around Xgame.  Some of the folks here are knuckleheads but most aren't.  Kinda like Caf's.

BTW, I trust you and your sister had a great time and that the X kids were fantastic.  No doubt you took your share of good natured teasing.  To be expected.  Hopefully everyone said helluva game afterwards.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: StillAWarrior on January 28, 2019, 12:37:10 PM
Quote from: GuyFromXGame on January 28, 2019, 12:13:57 PM
Im the guy from the student section. Never been on this forum before so i don't know if I'm using it right or not but I was sent this disturbing thread by a friend and made this account to respond.

I'm a 22 year old senior at Marquette and was visiting my sister at XU who's a freshman there. I'm definitely not a grad with some "jail bait".

Also yea I bartend at Caff's. Come visit and talk MUBB with me sometime! Except for you, burger. You can stay away.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I would expect an underage drinking jail bait chaser to say.


/Someone please explain teal to the new guy.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: Bad_Reporter on January 28, 2019, 12:58:02 PM
Welcome X!

Don't pay attention to burger.....    .....

.... aka....    .... clown.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 28, 2019, 12:58:17 PM
Nothing better than going on a road trip when ur team wins!! Hope you had a great weekend!
Kudos to you for making the trip. 

Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: wadesworld on January 28, 2019, 01:25:43 PM
Quote from: GuyFromXGame on January 28, 2019, 12:13:57 PM
Im the guy from the student section. Never been on this forum before so i don't know if I'm using it right or not but I was sent this disturbing thread by a friend and made this account to respond.

I'm a 22 year old senior at Marquette and was visiting my sister at XU who's a freshman there. I'm definitely not a grad with some "jail bait".

Also yea I bartend at Caff's. Come visit and talk MUBB with me sometime! Except for you, burger. You can stay away.

Got you fam.

Quote from: wadesworld on January 27, 2019, 06:00:52 PM
So let me get this straight. You think the kid is a graduate from MU hanging out with his "jail bate" (not sure you know what that means but we'll go with it). But you think they're showing an underage kid drinking. So did this kid entered college at 15 years old or...? If he's a grad he's at least 22 years old. The drinking age is 21...

The fact of the matter is if the kid is a junior or senior he's more than likely over 21 years old and legally drinking. And there were something like 47 kids from Marquette High and DSHA that went to Xavier in this freshman class. Xavier is a very popular school for Milwaukee area high school graduates. I have 2 younger brothers that go there and an older sister that went there. Chances are the kid has friends who went to Xavier and he's visiting them for the game.

But maybe he's a 19 year old college graduate who's macking on some Xavier randos...

Way to represent MU.  Heck of a game.  Sounded like a great atmosphere on TV.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: warriorchick on January 28, 2019, 01:35:49 PM
Quote from: GuyFromXGame on January 28, 2019, 12:13:57 PM
Im the guy from the student section. Never been on this forum before so i don't know if I'm using it right or not but I was sent this disturbing thread by a friend and made this account to respond.

I'm a 22 year old senior at Marquette and was visiting my sister at XU who's a freshman there. I'm definitely not a grad with some "jail bait".

Also yea I bartend at Caff's. Come visit and talk MUBB with me sometime! Except for you, burger. You can stay away.
(https://i.makeagif.com/media/1-15-2017/iesU4_.gif)
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: tower912 on January 28, 2019, 01:53:48 PM
Guy from X game, way to represent.  And bartending at Caff's has helped you with your character analysis.  You are ahead of the game.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: mucrew08 on January 28, 2019, 02:38:17 PM
Was at the X game as well, just not in the student section. He took a ton of chanting and yelling represented MU perfectly. He was the non-court MVP of the game. He pours a great beer at Caff's too.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on January 28, 2019, 04:39:02 PM
Quote from: GuyFromXGame on January 28, 2019, 12:13:57 PM
Im the guy from the student section. Never been on this forum before so i don't know if I'm using it right or not but I was sent this disturbing thread by a friend and made this account to respond.

I'm a 22 year old senior at Marquette and was visiting my sister at XU who's a freshman there. I'm definitely not a grad with some "jail bait".

Also yea I bartend at Caff's. Come visit and talk MUBB with me sometime! Except for you, burger. You can stay away.

Boom goes the dynamite.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: brewcity77 on January 28, 2019, 07:48:40 PM
Quote from: GuyFromXGame on January 28, 2019, 12:13:57 PM
Im the guy from the student section. Never been on this forum before so i don't know if I'm using it right or not but I was sent this disturbing thread by a friend and made this account to respond.

I'm a 22 year old senior at Marquette and was visiting my sister at XU who's a freshman there. I'm definitely not a grad with some "jail bait".

Also yea I bartend at Caff's. Come visit and talk MUBB with me sometime! Except for you, burger. You can stay away.

Best first post on the forum ever?
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: GuyFromXGame on January 28, 2019, 09:29:43 PM
Quote from: jsglow on January 28, 2019, 12:27:16 PM
Absolutely stick around Xgame.  Some of the folks here are knuckleheads but most aren't.  Kinda like Caf's.

BTW, I trust you and your sister had a great time and that the X kids were fantastic.  No doubt you took your share of good natured teasing.  To be expected.  Hopefully everyone said helluva game afterwards.

Love the comparison. According to that description I might stick around haha.

The XU students were super passionate. Awesome atmosphere. I got there about an hour before-hand to snag those seats and up until about 20 til the tip I was getting chirped really hard which was totally expected and hilarious. Then a security guard came up and told them no swearing or middle fingers for PR's sake.

That turned out to be the end of my baptism by fire and then they were total class acts the entire rest of the game. Post-game they were shaking my hand and buying me a drink or two!
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 28, 2019, 09:33:47 PM
Xavier fans 100x classier than Creighton fans confirmed.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: rocket surgeon on January 28, 2019, 10:04:48 PM
Quote from: GuyFromXGame on January 28, 2019, 09:29:43 PM
Love the comparison. According to that description I might stick around haha.

The XU students were super passionate. Awesome atmosphere. I got there about an hour before-hand to snag those seats and up until about 20 til the tip I was getting chirped really hard which was totally expected and hilarious. Then a security guard came up and told them no swearing or middle fingers for PR's sake.

That turned out to be the end of my baptism by fire and then they were total class acts the entire rest of the game. Post-game they were shaking my hand and buying me a drink or two!

2 fer 2 and X takes the square!  Nice story.  Sounds like you represented( no doubt)  our warriors well.  Plus your boss owes you for all the free pub💪 Now that everybody knows your name🤷🏼‍♂️

    I think MU ought to send you out of town to more games, buy your tic in the middle of opposing student section, give ya a big bright MU shirt(your main squeeze as well) a few brewskis and make you our ambassador. You would occupy a place right next to freeway and the jumpin(jump around) suit guy.

   Plus, it will really piss off the fuhr burger 🤣
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: NorthernDancerColt on January 28, 2019, 10:14:30 PM
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 28, 2019, 07:48:40 PM
Best first post on the forum ever?

Does anyone remember that scene from "Waiting" where the "quiet" new waiter goes off on everyone at the employee party and instantly becomes a "made man?"
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: Doo on January 28, 2019, 10:25:58 PM
5th time I've watched MU at X, my daughter is a '17  Xavier nursing grad and we headed to Cincy together.  Plenty of Milwaukee kids (MUHS, DSHA & Pius) going to school down there.  The Cintas is great place to watch a game and Xavier was a great place for her to go to school. That said, the post game beer tasted great at Dana's with the win in hand!
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: MU82 on January 28, 2019, 11:06:15 PM
Good stuff, X, and welcome to ScoopLand, where we all agree on pretty much everything.

My favorite road games were the 2 times I saw us beat Wisconsin at Madison. I also went to a win at ND when I was a sophomore, but I had a little (translation: a lot) too much to drink and don't remember it very well!
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: warriorchick on January 29, 2019, 07:33:13 AM
Quote from: NorthernDancerColt on January 28, 2019, 10:14:30 PM
Does anyone remember that scene from "Waiting" where the "quiet" new waiter goes off on everyone at the employee party and instantly becomes a "made man?"

I like him better on "Freaks and Geeks".
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 29, 2019, 07:57:37 AM
Quote from: warriorchick on January 29, 2019, 07:33:13 AM
I like him better on "Freaks and Geeks".

Everyone was better on Freaks and Geeks except Jason segel
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 29, 2019, 08:08:40 AM
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 29, 2019, 07:57:37 AM
Everyone was better on Freaks and Geeks except Jason segel

Linda Cardellini did well om Mad Men
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: warriorchick on January 29, 2019, 08:13:22 AM
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 29, 2019, 07:57:37 AM
Everyone was better on Freaks and Geeks except Jason segel

Loved that show when it was on TV and was so upset when it got cancelled.  I bought the DVD box set as soon as it came out, and shared it with my then-teenage kids.  They liked it so much they made copies of it for their friends, and even a couple of their high school teachers, and this was before any of the actors became really famous. 
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: MU82 on January 29, 2019, 08:16:51 AM
Whatever happened to the actor who played Cardellini's little brother?
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 29, 2019, 08:27:23 AM
Quote from: JakeBarnes on January 29, 2019, 08:08:40 AM
Linda Cardellini did well om Mad Men

Going to invite a lot of hate my way, but I never got into mad men.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: warriorchick on January 29, 2019, 08:52:25 AM
Quote from: MU82 on January 29, 2019, 08:16:51 AM
Whatever happened to the actor who played Cardellini's little brother?

That's the guy NorthernDancer was talking about in "Waiting".   He was on the show "Bones" , and was in the movie "Game Night".

So, icebreaker question for everyone:  Which "Freaks and Geeks" character were you most like in high school?  I have to admit, for me it was Millie.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 29, 2019, 09:34:37 AM
Quote from: warriorchick on January 29, 2019, 08:13:22 AM
Loved that show when it was on TV and was so upset when it got cancelled.  I bought the DVD box set as soon as it came out, and shared it with my then-teenage kids.  They liked it so much they made copies of it for their friends, and even a couple of their high school teachers, and this was before any of the actors became really famous.

I agree with you on this one, chick. I loved this show and was bummed when they cancelled it. Up there with Party Down as a cast that was ridiculously stacked and cancelled too soon (although more due to some of the cast getting better roles like Parks and Rec and Glee).

I still love throwing out lines from the dad like "You know who used to cut class? Jimi Hendrix. You know what happened to him? He died!"

Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: Pepe Sylvia on January 29, 2019, 09:54:39 AM
Quote from: warriorchick on January 29, 2019, 08:52:25 AM
That's the guy NorthernDancer was talking about in "Waiting".   He was on the show "Bones" , and was in the movie "Game Night".

So, icebreaker question for everyone:  Which "Freaks and Geeks" character were you most like in high school?  I have to admit, for me it was Millie.

He wasn't just in Game Night, he directed it. That Vacation remake no one liked too. He also has a bunch or writing credits for pretty big movies, like Spideman: Homecoming, Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs, and those Horrible Bosses movies. He's doing ok for himself.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: LloydsLegs on January 29, 2019, 11:16:00 AM
Gottlieb on Jeff Goodman's podcast - Good N Plenty advocating ND to leave ACC for Big East. Argument is that while ACC is a better conference, ND gets washed out by the top end and always will.  Also argues that they are not even getting the best academic kids- UVA, Duke, Throws in Northwestern and then adds MU as competing with UND for the kind of kids we get - "the Hauser boys" (and Goodman chimes in with -"they are white" and skilled).  Really an awkward conversation.

https://overcast.fm/+NqkVinS_M

https://overcast.fm/+NqkVinS_M (https://overcast.fm/+NqkVinS_M)
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: MU82 on January 29, 2019, 11:17:45 AM
Quote from: LloydsLegs on January 29, 2019, 11:16:00 AM
Gottlieb on Jeff Goodman's podcast - Good N Plenty advocating ND to leave ACC for Big East. Argument is that while ACC is a better conference, ND gets washed out by the top end and always will.  Also argues that they are not even getting the best academic kids- UVA, Duke, Throws in Northwestern and then adds MU as competing with UND for the kind of kids we get - "the Hauser boys" (and Goodman chimes in with -"they are white" and skilled).  Really an awkward conversation.

https://overcast.fm/+NqkVinS_M

https://overcast.fm/+NqkVinS_M (https://overcast.fm/+NqkVinS_M)

Aside from the idiotic comment on race, I agree ND would be better off with the BEast if they are going to stay independent in foosball.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: jsglow on January 29, 2019, 11:27:37 AM
Quote from: GuyFromXGame on January 28, 2019, 09:29:43 PM
Love the comparison. According to that description I might stick around haha.

The XU students were super passionate. Awesome atmosphere. I got there about an hour before-hand to snag those seats and up until about 20 til the tip I was getting chirped really hard which was totally expected and hilarious. Then a security guard came up and told them no swearing or middle fingers for PR's sake.

That turned out to be the end of my baptism by fire and then they were total class acts the entire rest of the game. Post-game they were shaking my hand and buying me a drink or two!

A day you'll remember forever.  And remember to pay it forward when we've got some visitors at Fiserv.  Stupid Freshmen listen to Seniors when they hear 'keep it civil dude'.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 29, 2019, 12:39:28 PM
Quote from: LloydsLegs on January 29, 2019, 11:16:00 AM
Gottlieb on Jeff Goodman's podcast - Good N Plenty advocating ND to leave ACC for Big East. Argument is that while ACC is a better conference, ND gets washed out by the top end and always will.  Also argues that they are not even getting the best academic kids- UVA, Duke, Throws in Northwestern and then adds MU as competing with UND for the kind of kids we get - "the Hauser boys" (and Goodman chimes in with -"they are white" and skilled).  Really an awkward conversation.

https://overcast.fm/+NqkVinS_M

https://overcast.fm/+NqkVinS_M (https://overcast.fm/+NqkVinS_M)

That is awkward.

I thought Notre Dame would regret the move to the ACC but I thought it would be their football program that would struggle and basketball program would thrive. Turns out I was bassackwards on that one.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 29, 2019, 12:48:05 PM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 29, 2019, 12:39:28 PM
That is awkward.

I thought Notre Dame would regret the move to the ACC but I thought it would be their football program that would struggle and basketball program would thrive. Turns out I was bassackwards on that one.

Acc is an absolutely horrible fit for ND, in all areas but $$.  If i was an ND alum, and most of them live in or around  BE cities, i would not be happy.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: Norm on January 29, 2019, 01:05:11 PM
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 29, 2019, 12:48:05 PM
Acc is an absolutely horrible fit for ND, in all areas but $$.  If i was an ND alum, and most of them live in or around  BE cities, i would not be happy.

Not really. The ACC puts ND in prime football recruiting areas -- Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia, and Pennsylvania. That helps as their traditional recruiting states - Ohio, Illinois and Michigan -- don't provide them as much as they used to.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: Golden Avalanche on January 29, 2019, 01:29:38 PM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 29, 2019, 12:39:28 PM
That is awkward.

I thought Notre Dame would regret the move to the ACC but I thought it would be their football program that would struggle and basketball program would thrive. Turns out I was bassackwards on that one.

You weren't wrong.

ND hoops has had a very good last half decade. Couple of Elite Eights. NCAA appearances outside of that. ND football is relevant on a national level once every five years.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 29, 2019, 01:35:33 PM
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on January 29, 2019, 01:29:38 PM
You weren't wrong.

ND hoops has had a very good last half decade. Couple of Elite Eights. NCAA appearances outside of that. ND football is relevant on a national level once every five years.

The trends show the opposite. ND basketball went from back to back Elite Eights to a Round of 32 to an NIT to a likely no postseason. ND football went from a 9-4 record to competing in the college football playoff.

5 years to judge a conference realignment  ;D
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: Herman Cain on January 29, 2019, 01:47:03 PM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 29, 2019, 12:39:28 PM
That is awkward.

I thought Notre Dame would regret the move to the ACC but I thought it would be their football program that would struggle and basketball program would thrive. Turns out I was bassackwards on that one.
The ACC move by Notre Dame was done because said they wanted a better neighborhood to house their  "Olympic Sports" .  It is all these non revenue sports where they have lots of  alumni that give them big bucks.

ND got exactly what they wanted with the ACC by driving a hard bargain that was to their advantage in football. They locked in 5 medium difficulty games a year and then could rotate their traditional big opponents.  Brian Kelly is a proven coach who will keep that program competitive.

Basketball has had it's moments, but I don't think they are going to be consistently able to compete for the type of players necessary to propel them to be at the top of the ACC.

However in all respects ND sucks.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 29, 2019, 02:46:08 PM
Quote from: Norm on January 29, 2019, 01:05:11 PM
Not really. The ACC puts ND in prime football recruiting areas -- Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia, and Pennsylvania. That helps as their traditional recruiting states - Ohio, Illinois and Michigan -- don't provide them as much as they used to.

Notre dame has recruited well nationally for 50+ years. 
The people that are hurt are the ND alums in the NE.  That now have to travel to college towns in the SE part of the country to see their team.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: MomofMUltiples on January 29, 2019, 03:42:22 PM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 29, 2019, 01:35:33 PM
The trends show the opposite. ND basketball went from back to back Elite Eights to a Round of 32 to an NIT to a likely no postseason. ND football went from a 9-4 record to competing getting blown out in the college football playoff.

5 years to judge a conference realignment  ;D

FIFY
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 29, 2019, 04:32:57 PM
Quote from: MomofMUltiples on January 29, 2019, 03:42:22 PM
FIFY

That is an excellent correction. My post was not in the proper spirit of "ND sucks" as all posts should be.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: NorthernDancerColt on January 29, 2019, 06:59:08 PM
Quote from: MU82 on January 29, 2019, 11:17:45 AM
Aside from the idiotic comment on race, I agree ND would be better off with the BEast if they are going to stay independent in foosball.

My left hand was always independent in foosball. Great at scoring with the right, though. Does MU's EGames scholarship table include foosball?
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on January 29, 2019, 10:09:00 PM
(http://www.foosmovie.com/Press%20Kit/team.jpg)
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: LloydsLegs on January 30, 2019, 08:30:28 AM
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on January 29, 2019, 10:09:00 PM
(http://www.foosmovie.com/Press%20Kit/team.jpg)

1981?
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: barfolomew on January 30, 2019, 10:39:42 AM
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on January 29, 2019, 10:09:00 PM



I have a Todd Loffredo game-worn jersey signed and framed and hanging in my basement.
Authentic; worn during the 1983 Pan-Malaysian Championships.
Make me an offer.
Title: Re: Doug Gottlieb
Post by: BrewCity83 on January 30, 2019, 11:06:39 AM
Quote from: barfolomew on January 30, 2019, 10:39:42 AM
I have a Todd Loffredo game-worn jersey signed and framed and hanging in my basement.
Authentic; worn during the 1983 Pan-Malaysian Championships.
Make me an offer.

Is it home or road?  If it's '83 the gray road jersey, I'll trade you my home white 1980 signed Mike Bowers jersey, and I'll throw in the home white slacks complete with the tie-front belt!  Forged Certificates of Authenticity included.
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