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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Not A Serious Person on January 13, 2019, 01:02:05 PM
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Our next four games are against the four lowest rated teams in the Big East
* AT Georgetown JAN 15 (TUE) 7:30 P.M. CT
* Providence College JAN 20 (SUN) 11 A.M. CT
* DePaul University JAN 23 (WED) 7:30 P.M. CT
* AT Xavier University JAN 26 (SAT) 1 P.M. CT
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We are 14-3 (3-1) now. What do you expect our record to be on January 27?
I expect 18-3 (7-1) or 4-0 over this stretch.
The minimum acceptable is 17-4 (6-2) or 3-1 over this stretch.
Anything less is a disappointment.
What say you?
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Preseason I thought we would go 2-2 over this stretch. I picked at Georgetown as our annual "WTF" conference loss. I also thought Xavier was going to be better than they have been.
I think we will be a favorite in all four games. I think 3-1 is the reasonable expectation. 2-2 would be disappointing but we could easily recover from it.
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I think we go 3-1.
One of the away games will be an L I think.
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Would agree. 17-4. 18-3 is possible though which is pretty incredible if it happens.
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I think we would have to be pleased with 3-1. I just hope the 1 is not @ Georgetown as I will be in DC for work and have a really nice ticket for that game.
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I think we would have to be pleased with 3-1. I just hope the 1 is not @ Georgetown as I will be in DC for work and have a really nice ticket for that game.
That would be the one I'm most worried about, but I think with their youth we'll escape with a 4-5 point victory.
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I love it how so many people bitch and moan that we look awful, some guys are playing like crap, others aren’t developing and then go and predict we will win every game left on our schedule, and if we don’t, it is a huge disappointment.
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Our next four games are against the four lowest rated teams in the Big East
* AT Georgetown JAN 15 (TUE) 7:30 P.M. CT
* Providence College JAN 20 (SUN) 11 A.M. CT
* DePaul University JAN 23 (WED) 7:30 P.M. CT
* AT Xavier University JAN 26 (SAT) 1 P.M. CT
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We are 14-3 (3-1) now. What do you expect our record to be on January 27?
I expect 17-3 (7-1) or 4-0 over this stretch.
The minimum acceptable is 16-4 (6-2) or 3-1 over this stretch.
Anything less is a disappointment.
What say you?
Lose at least one, maybe two
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I love it how so many people bitch and moan that we look awful, some guys are playing like crap, others aren’t developing and then go and predict we will win every game left on our schedule, and if we don’t, it is a huge disappointment.
Eat at Arbys.
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I love it how so many people bitch and moan that we look awful, some guys are playing like crap, others aren’t developing and then go and predict we will win every game left on our schedule, and if we don’t, it is a huge disappointment.
Plus Tax.
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I expect to win all 4. 3-1 I would be fine with but that would mean we lost a game we shouldn’t have. 2-2 and I’m mad.
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4-0 with Morrow, possibly 3-1 without but 4-0 still most likely scenario
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I have a feeling that Depaul will beat us at home for our first Fiserv Forum loss, but that we'll figure out our road yips.
3-1
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I love it how so many people bitch and moan that we look awful, some guys are playing like crap, others aren’t developing and then go and predict we will win every game left on our schedule, and if we don’t, it is a huge disappointment.
Now that's funny; great observation. Most of us are probably guilty of that at times.
3-1 over that stretch would certainly be acceptable, and most probable in my book. I'd say a very slight better chance of 4-0 over 2-2. At X is never easy, and Gtown has some pretty good talent. I'd be disappointed if we dropped either of the 2 at home even though there are no gimmes.
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Preseason I thought we would go 2-2 over this stretch. I picked at Georgetown as our annual "WTF" conference loss. I also thought Xavier was going to be better than they have been.
I think we will be a favorite in all four games. I think 3-1 is the reasonable expectation. 2-2 would be disappointing but we could easily recover from it.
I agree with this analysis.
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Georgetown took St. John’s to overtime at home. That’s the only game to worry about right now. If the team doesn’t play better than they did in the second half yesterday it’ll be Georgetown by a lot.
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I love it how so many people bitch and moan that we look awful, some guys are playing like crap, others aren’t developing and then go and predict we will win every game left on our schedule, and if we don’t, it is a huge disappointment.
Can you name a few if not all? I'd like to know who these posters are that you are calling out.
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Can you name a few if not all? I'd like to know who these posters are that you are calling out.
Go to any game thread and take a look around.
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Go to any game thread and take a look around.
If you're going to call them out for hypocrisy, then call them out. Man up!
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Should go 4-0.
We are playing:
At #95 Georgetown
Home against #74 Providence
Home against #104 DePaul
At #81 Xavier
No reason to lose any of those games. This is NOT the old Big East or the Big East of even the last 4 years.
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Yes. It is balanced.
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If we find out Morrow is out for an extended period of time, does that change anyone's predictions?
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If we find out Morrow is out for an extended period of time, does that change anyone's predictions?
No. Just means more time for Theo who is better anyway.
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No. Just means more time for Theo who is better anyway.
The guy who has never been anything but foul prone. Losing his backup is a good thing.
You just get dumber and dumber.
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The guy who has never been anything but foul prone. Losing his backup is a good thing.
You just get dumber and dumber.
Beta guys always like the 2nd option as they are used to being a back up.
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Beta guys always like the 2nd option as they are used to being a back up.
Yup. You are way more of a man than me. And obviously have way more knowledge than me. It’s always a good thing to lose your backup to a guy who is in foul trouble every game. Only an alpha basketball stud gets it. And only someone who played at the almighty Northwoods Basketball Conference in high school would understand having no competition for minutes is a good thing for a team and their success.
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Beta guys always like the 2nd option as they are used to being a back up.
Holy crap.
Did you just drop a "beta"? Wow.
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Of course there is "no reason to lose any of those games." Except look around the effen country at some of the losses suffered by some of the best teams in the nation. There was no reason for those ranked teams to lose, but they did. And there was absolutely no reason -- and no way -- for Creighton to lose that game to Marquette, but they did. Crazy shyte happens in sports. If there were never any upsets, might as well just hand the trophy to the team ranked No. 1 in the first preseason poll.
I'm guessing 3-1, but I wouldn't be stunned by either 2-2 or 4-0. I'd be surprised and disappointed by 1-3, but life would go on. I sure as heck hope they win the two home games, because I want to see wins in person.
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I fully expect them to go 4-0. I believe that Georgetown will be the toughest matchup on the list followed by Depaul at home.
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Holy crap.
Did you just drop a "beta"? Wow.
Dude he is all that is man. And I am simply a yes man for the mods. Only alphas get banned from multiple MU basketball websites!
😂😂😂😂😂
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Anything between 2-2 and 4-0 will not surprise me.
I expect us to lose at least 1.
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Dude he is all that is man. And I am simply a yes man for the mods. Only alphas get banned from multiple MU basketball websites!
😂😂😂😂😂
Rec League only guys don’t need backups. No one counts fouls in pickup.
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NBC Sports has us 12th
https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2019/01/13/nbc-sports-top-25-buh-bye-iowa-state-hello-ole-miss/
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Dude he is all that is man. And I am simply a yes man for the mods. Only alphas get banned from multiple MU basketball websites!
😂😂😂😂😂
Yet another hallmark of Beta men: using emojis.
Another hallmark? Looking for excuses for lack of performance.
In this basketball case, oh no, we lose Ed Morrow and his 13 minutes per game, so therefore we may have a greater likelihood of losing to conference cellar dwellers.
You’d think with Wojo’s big man coaching acumen and focus at Duke, he surely can coach Theo into being less fouls prone, no?
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You’d think with Wojo’s big man coaching acumen and focus at Duke, he surely can coach Theo into being less fouls prone, no?
I swear it was just a few weeks ago (maybe less) that you talked about Wojo having grown on you since you were mad at him for "shytting on Dawson." Indeed, IIRC, you have come to consider him a good coach with the potential to get even better.
Now, because you're in a spat with some Scoopers, you're taking every opportunity you can to dump on him to prove some kind of point. Very classy.
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Yet another hallmark of Beta men: using emojis.
Another hallmark? Looking for excuses for lack of performance.
In this basketball case, oh no, we lose Ed Morrow and his 13 minutes per game, so therefore we may have a greater likelihood of losing to conference cellar dwellers.
You’d think with Wojo’s big man coaching acumen and focus at Duke, he surely can coach Theo into being less fouls prone, no?
Yeah man you’re totally right. Only an alpha male would understand that it’s GOOD to lose a player that plays meaningful minutes in the court and provides a safety net for a foul prone sophomore. And yeah Wojo totally sucks at developing bigs. Heldt never developed at MU. Theo has gotten worse since he started.
You’re going off the deep end bud. And a Ners deep end is some kind of special.
PS there is nothing more alpha than proclaiming what an alpha you are.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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I would love to see 4-0. I think if Morrow is out, Matt can handle the extra minutes on these four. That said, these are the kind of games that take a lot of focus, as most good teams have a bad tendency to play down to the level of competition. These teams are the weaker teams in our conference, and they are better than most conference weak teams. 3-1 can easily happen, and 2-2 will be disappointing. I'm keeping optimistic and going for 4-0.
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I swear it was just a few weeks ago (maybe less) that you talked about Wojo having grown on you since you were mad at him for "shytting on Dawson." Indeed, IIRC, you have come to consider him a good coach with the potential to get even better.
Now, because you're in a spat with some Scoopers, you're taking every opportunity you can to dump on him to prove some kind of point. Very classy.
Yes. I did post something similar to what your wrote above. Doesn’t change my viewpoint on the particular play in question at Creighton.
Wojo was awful Year 1. Not much better Year 2. Improved slightly in Year 3. Marginal in Year 4. He’s been his best this season. He’s also benefited nicely from Markus Howard going en fuego and putting us on his back with unassisted step back 22 footers carrying is to victory against Buffalo and CU.
The defense is MUCH better. So. There’s been improvement. We are 34 in Pomeroy currently. It’s been a solid season so far. Yet as I said I’m not going to break out the annointong oil and suggest Wojo is still a good enough coach to get this team to Second weekends on any kind of consistent basis. I suspect we will get bounced in the Round of 32 this year.
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If it could be Jan 27 right now and we could look back and be 3-1 in that stretch, I’d take it. Main point being that any one of those losses would sting in “real time” for me as they all should be wins. Looking at the big picture though, 3-1 in that stretch is acceptable and 2-2 would be disappointing (although we’d still be in a good spot relatively speaking).
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Well said. Great to be in a current spot where if we did go 2-2 it’s not killing our season.
I’d take 3-1.
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Beta guys always like the 2nd option as they are used to being a back up.
What the actual f*ck just happened here? Do we need to get tape measures out to help everyone feel good about their manhood?
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What the actual f*ck just happened here? Do we need to get tape measures out to help everyone feel good about their manhood?
(http://i.imgur.com/jVmYUfD.gif)
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Yet another hallmark of Beta men: using emojis.
Another hallmark? Looking for excuses for lack of performance.
In this basketball case, oh no, we lose Ed Morrow and his 13 minutes per game, so therefore we may have a greater likelihood of losing to conference cellar dwellers.
You’d think with Wojo’s big man coaching acumen and focus at Duke, he surely can coach Theo into being less fouls prone, no?
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7buirYcmV5nSwIRW/giphy.gif)
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I'm saying 4-0. Sticking with my preseason prediction until proven otherwise.
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So not having Morrow to throw at Govan helps MU against Georgetown?
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I actually agree with Ners and for years I have wondered why every single coach in the NCAA — from hall of famer to disgrace — has ever played any back up (“beta”) for a single second of any basketball game that wasn’t decidedly out of reach.
I can only assume there exists some dirty, unspoken rule in the deep depths of the labyrinth of society that forces their hands, similar to whatever rule has decreed that Oreo’s must destroy their monopolized legacy with the introduction of ridiculous flavors, like the cotton candy Oreo. Only such deep state antics can be responsible for forcing coaches to play their Beta players even one second.
Wojo has to be sleeping easier knowing that he can now take advantage of the “Beta Injury” exception to the “Must Play Beta Player” rule.
Power to the man.
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So not having Morrow to throw at Govan helps MU against Georgetown?
You must not have played basketball in high school if you don’t understand this. It’s just basic basketball stuff that true ballers comprehend and baffle band members.
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Let's remember that in two games against Georgetown last year Theo John played a whopping 14 minutes and committed 8 fouls.
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Let's remember that in two games against Georgetown last year Theo John played a whopping 14 minutes and committed 8 fouls.
We're better off without his backup though. And if Wojo had any clue how to develop bigs this wouldn't be an issue for a sophomore who clearly hasn't developed at all.
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We're better off without his backup though. And if Wojo had any clue how to develop bigs this wouldn't be an issue for a sophomore who clearly hasn't developed at all.
Matt Heldt is on the roster. The kid started a lot of games last year. He's a Senior. He's not quite Morrow, but he's serviceable. Morrow's stats are pretty underwhelming and Heldt isn't much of a drop off.
Look, I understand people are trying to find narratives that might explain why we might lose to Patrick Ewing coached # 95 Georgetown in Year 2 of his tenure, but let's have some freaking expectations of our team in Year 5.
Losing Ed Morrow is NOT losing Theo John.
Theo has improved a lot, and we can expect him to also improve in his propensity to foul. I'm counting on Wojo coaching Theo up!
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Matt Heldt is on the roster. The kid started a lot of games last year. He's a Senior. He's not quite Morrow, but he's serviceable. Morrow's stats are pretty underwhelming and Heldt isn't much of a drop off.
Look, I understand people are trying to find narratives that might explain why we might lose to Patrick Ewing coached # 95 Georgetown in Year 2 of his tenure, but let's have some freaking expectations of our team in Year 5.
Losing Ed Morrow is NOT losing Theo John.
Theo has improved a lot, and we can expect him to also improve in his propensity to foul. I'm counting on Wojo coaching Theo up!
No one is trying to find a narrative because one is not needed. To date we haven't lost any games we shouldn't. 99% of teams lose at least one (most more than one) game a season that they shouldn't. If at Georgetown ends up being that game for us this season, it sucks but is fine as long as we don't start piling up losses like that.
No one is saying that losing at Georgetown wouldn't be a bad loss. They are just saying that bad losses happen to 99% of teams. So as long as its an isolated incident, our season is still on track.
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Matt Heldt is on the roster. The kid started a lot of games last year. He's a Senior. He's not quite Morrow, but he's serviceable.
Agree, and I posted as much the other day.
But if he has to check Govan for extended minutes, MU will have trouble. Matt can't guard out to the perimeter. Honestly, Theo has a hard time with it too. Ed's the most versatile of those three defensively.
They should beat the Hoyas, but you never know with life on the road in college ball. Need every advantage you can get.
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I think they win the next four games. They might not all have style points, but they should win all four.
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Markus will go nuclear on Tuesday. Georgetown plays a zone at times, but Akinjo is no match for Markus. Akinjo is quick, but a turnover/foul kid at this point. They may put Blair on Markus, but with Akinjo not on floor, no point guard and McClung is still injured/hurting.
Keep Theo and Heldt on the floor against Govan and should not be a problem.
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Agree, and I posted as much the other day.
But if he has to check Govan for extended minutes, MU will have trouble. Matt can't guard out to the perimeter. Honestly, Theo has a hard time with it too. Ed's the most versatile of those three defensively.
They should beat the Hoyas, but you never know with life on the road in college ball. Need every advantage you can get.
Sure, this is all true. Yet, with Morrow NOT available, it could also result in Theo getting MORE minutes, which would be beneficial to the team, because Theo is our best big man without question.
Missing Morrow's 13 minutes should NOT result in us losing to #95 GTown. Now if we were missing ANY of our starting five? Yes, I'd have legitimate concern and would tend to think a loss would be probable in that scenario.
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I don't think Morrow's production, or lack there of has resulted in Theo only getting 18 minutes per. I think Theo's fouls per 40 min being at almost 8 is the biggest reason in his lack of (more) minutes. Gtown has IMO the best big man in the conference, if Morrow can't go (have we heard anything official yet?) Matt may have his season high in minutes Tuesday.
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Sure, this is all true. Yet, with Morrow NOT available, it could also result in Theo getting MORE minutes, which would be beneficial to the team, because Theo is our best big man without question.
Missing Morrow's 13 minutes should NOT result in us losing to #95 GTown. Now if we were missing ANY of our starting five? Yes, I'd have legitimate concern and would tend to think a loss would be probable in that scenario.
Absolutely. If Theo does not commit fouls and can play 30 effective minutes, that IS The best case scenario. But if he picks up 2 fouls early and Heldt has to play 20+ minutes then we are FAR WORSE off having Heldt in there than Morrow, along with having 5 fewer fouls to give.
Missing Morrow shouldn't cause a loss, but it does significantly reduce our margin for error.
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I strongly disagree that Morrow will not be missed. Theo has made some big plays and overall has played well. That said, he definitely has limitations and having Matt as his backup is not the answer. Ed is needed more than some on here want to believe.
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I strongly disagree that Morrow will not be missed. Theo has made some big plays and overall has played well. That said, he definitely has limitations and having Matt as his backup is not the answer. Ed is needed more than some on here want to believe.
Yep. Theo is the better player IMO but we have 2 guys who can offer rim protection. Ed and Theo. We now have one good big until Ed is healthy. He will be missed.
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We definitely can go 4-0 but I’m expecting 3-1
I think we drop one of the road games. Would be pretty disappointed losing one of the 2 home games. If we lose Gtown it does put a bit of pressure on winning the next 3.
Instead of a “trap game” we kinda have a “trap stretch” right here. 4 extremely winnable games(not guaranteed) and I feel one of the games will be a cold night for us and/or hot night for the opponent and a loss.
4-0 would be massive tho
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John and Morrow have nearly identical stats. Theo is much better in shot blocking, Ed is slightly better on FT and defensive rebound rate.
They make a good tag team. Having to play Heldt or Joey at the 5 is less than ideal. Serviceable, perhaps, but not ideal. Hopefully Theo can avoid foul trouble.
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Pomeroy says we have a 62% chance of winning the game......those numbers would be with Morrow.....Game is little more then a coin flip....we will be a 2 or 3 point favorite most likely.
Georgetown won at Butler....they are certainly more then capable of beating us at home.
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Sure, this is all true. Yet, with Morrow NOT available, it could also result in Theo getting MORE minutes, which would be beneficial to the team, because Theo is our best big man without question.
Morrow is better than an empty chair. Bold statement I know. Suggesting that Ed's injury makes the team better is illogical at best. Theo doesn't lose minutes because Ed is there. Theo loses minutes because he doesn't have the conditioning to play at an optimal level for 40 minutes and because he picks up fouls like they are going out of style.
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I don't think Morrow's production, or lack there of has resulted in Theo only getting 18 minutes per. I think Theo's fouls per 40 min being at almost 8 is the biggest reason in his lack of (more) minutes. Gtown has IMO the best big man in the conference, if Morrow can't go (have we heard anything official yet?) Matt may have his season high in minutes Tuesday.
I think this is pretty basic common sense, but the MJ of Northwoods basketball has spoken, so we are all incorrect. If the guy says losing one of 8 players in our regular rotation at the position where the starter is most foul prone is a good thing, then we have no clue, we should go back to practicing the tuba, and we should bow at the feet of the Almighty Ners.
Seriously, the guy plays it off like he's some superior basketball knowledge and then makes claims like this. The cluelessness is hilarious.
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Morrow's theoretical absence will certainly have an effect. I am skeptical of Theo's ability to play 30 mpg without fouling out. Therefore, if Morrow is unavailable, those minutes go to Heldt. Unless MU goes 'small' and some minutes at the 5 go to Joey or Sam. But that gives more minutes to Bailey and Cain. So, those 22 mpg that usually go to Morrow go to.......? And the answer is for Theo to show a heretofore undiscovered ability to stay out of foul trouble? If you think that is the solution, you don't fully understand the problem.
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Here is something worth noting. Last year against Georgetown Matt Heldt gave the team the following production:
Game 1 MU Won 74-65 Matt played 29 minutes 7 rebounds 1 assist 2 blocked shots and 2 points
Game 2 MU Won 90-86 Matt played 29 minutes 10 rebounds 2 assist 1 blocked shots and 2 points
I am more than comfortable that Matt can provide some quality minutes against Georgetown this year when called upon.
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Yep. Theo is the better player IMO but we have 2 guys who can offer rim protection. Ed and Theo. We now have one good big until Ed is healthy. He will be missed.
Morrow and Heldt have similar Block % stats:
Morrow: 5.1%
Heldt: 4.4%
Theo: 12.0% - Which is why more minutes for Theo is a good thing assuming Wojo can get him coached up to be less foul prone - which I'm confident Wojo can do.
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Ed is solid and better than he’s performed this year. Him being out would be a tough hit.
When talking Theo v Ed, see DR%
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Morrow and Heldt have similar Block % stats:
Morrow: 5.1%
Heldt: 4.4%
Theo: 12.0% - Which is why more minutes for Theo is a good thing assuming Wojo can get him coached up to be less foul prone - which I'm confident Wojo can do.
Eventually. To expect a change in 48 hours is overly optimistic.
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Morrow and Heldt have similar Block % stats:
Morrow: 5.1%
Heldt: 4.4%
Theo: 12.0% - Which is why more minutes for Theo is a good thing assuming Wojo can get him coached up to be less foul prone - which I'm confident Wojo can do.
Interesting. Would have guessed there was a bigger disparity. I don't think Matt is a bad defender necessarily, I just think we have a clear hierarchy of options at the center position. 1. Theo. 2. Ed. 3. Matt. With a gap between each of them.
I'd hope we can still agree that Ed offers more rim protection and alters more shots. His ability to contest inside while going straight up is something Heldt just can't do. The recovery and block against Wisconsin is also a clear example of something Heldt would not have been able to accomplish.
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Ed is solid and better than he’s performed this year. Him being out would be a tough hit.
When talking Theo v Ed, see DR%
Considering Theo attacks virtually every shot attempt, and absolutely impacts virtually every shot taken at the rim/in the lane - he takes himself out of defensive rebounding position as he goes to affect shot.
Can't get something for nothing. A ball-hawking, shot swatter, isn't going to have a great D rebounding rate.
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Considering Theo attacks virtually every shot attempt, and absolutely impacts virtually every shot taken at the rim/in the lane - he takes himself out of defensive rebounding position as he goes to affect shot.
Can't get something for nothing. A ball-hawking, shot swatter, isn't going to have a great D rebounding rate.
But you want our coach to, in 48 hours, work his foul trouble out of him. Which would require his ball-hawking, shot swatting, his biggest strenth, to be eliminated. And that’s a good thing, according to the only guy who’s ever played basketball on Scoop. You’re a beta if you disagree with this. Beta.
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But you want our coach to, in 48 hours, work his foul trouble out of him. Which would require his ball-hawking, shot swatting, his biggest strenth, to be eliminated. And that’s a good thing, according to the only guy who’s ever played basketball on Scoop. You’re a beta if you disagree with this. Beta.
Once again being a beta Wades. You are second to the party, and now applying the label I gave you. Classic reactor.
Also, please go re-post where I've said I was the only guy who's ever played basketball on Scoop?
I am confident Wojo can coach Theo up for GTown game and that we will get to see Theo on the floor for 25-30. You should have more confidence in your mancrush as well, and for once retire your uber-low expectations for Wojo. Man up.
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Once again being a beta Wades. You are second to the party, and now applying the label I gave you. Classic reactor.
Also, please go re-post where I've said I was the only guy who's ever played basketball on Scoop?
I am confident Wojo can coach Theo up for GTown game and that we will get to see Theo on the floor for 25-30. You should have more confidence in your mancrush as well, and for once retire your uber-low expectations for Wojo. Man up.
Nothing more manly than telling another man to man up and that they're a beta. Hysterically sad.
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Just in ...
15 AP
13 Coaches
If we go 4-0 will we be top 10 in two weeks?
(by asking this here, did I just jinx the team?)
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Maybe fringe top 10. Lots of good teams in front of Marquette. Many would probably have to lose twice in the next two weeks while MU goes 4-0.
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I strongly disagree that Morrow will not be missed. Theo has made some big plays and overall has played well. That said, he definitely has limitations and having Matt as his backup is not the answer. Ed is needed more than some on here want to believe.
Yep, Ed brings something more than his stats. Toughness.
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Nothing more manly than telling another man to man up and that they're a beta. Hysterically sad.
Happy to help you young Wades. Hopefully you can retire from the emoji usage - really not a good look for a grown man.
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Happy to help you young Wades. Hopefully you can retire from the emoji usage - really not a good look for a grown man.
Says the guy throwing around "cute AF." You are all that is man, Ners.
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Ed is significantly better than Matt. If that weren't the case, Matt would be playing more than the couple of non-garbage-time minutes he's been getting each game (except those he doesn't play at all). It's not close.
Without Ed, we quite possibly (maybe even probably) lose to F%cky.
Wojo has done a good job developing our bigs, and he has done an outstanding job of meting out playing time to them. He has a very good feel when to sub at that position. In the Creighton game, for example, he put Theo back in ... just in time for Theo to get that beautiful pass from Sacar for the and-1.
Not having Ed tomorrow (if that's the case) will definitely hurt the team. Theo has become the better player, but he needs rest, he gets fouls just by the nature of his job (in other words, even if he's not committing blocking fouls 90 feet from our basket), and GT's best player is its center. Having Ed available can only be a good thing.
If Wojo does have to turn to Heldt, I am heartened by the stats that 9-9-9 shared.
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I predict we win out to 21-3 and the next game we lose will be at DePaul. That’s what I predicted preseason as well.
This scenario will be interesting from a rankings perspective because it will make us one of the first major conference teams with 20 wins.
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I predict we win out to 21-3 and the next game we lose will be at DePaul. That’s what I predicted preseason as well.
This scenario will be interesting from a rankings perspective because it will make us one of the first major conference teams with 20 wins.
That is very optimistic and if we win our next 7 I won't even care if we lose to DePaul. Not one bit. Although it would suck a bit since I'll be in attendance.
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Having read just some of the thread.
We go 4-0 and possibly better. As others say, GT could be a loss if we fart it way like we can (excuse my french).
MY bigger concern is the 4 games toward the end:
@PV
@VN
vCR
@SH
we could conceivably lose those 4. @PV is always a threat to play above themselves...good coach. @VN good of course at home. CR just seems tough and could play well here. @SH another tough one away.
I would say 2-2 in that stretch would be ok.
last comment...losing Ed for a time would hurt. Less fouls to give at the 5...and he is tougher and more creative down there than Matt.
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It would be better not to lose Ed, but if Theo can stay on the court for 25 minutes Im confident Matt can give 10 solid minutes a night (5 minutes with Joey at the 5) we'll be ok- he's got experience and a high BB IQ. Sure he's flat footed, but he also has better height/talent around him than he did last year.
If Theo is picking up 2 or 3 fouls early and we have to go long stretches of Matt we could have some rougher games.
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As of right now, I think we would be favored in every game other than @Villanova and @Seton Hall. It's a weird feeling.
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As of right now, I think we would be favored in every game other than @Villanova and @Seton Hall. It's a weird feeling.
26-5 would have us primed for a BET run to a 1 or 2 seed. That would be an amazing turnaround from a team that missed the dance last year. If that happened I WOULD be worried about Wojo to Duke.
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26-5 would have us primed for a BET run to a 1 or 2 seed. That would be an amazing turnaround from a team that missed the dance last year. If that happened I WOULD be worried about Wojo to Duke.
To be clear, that would involve us winning a lot of games where we would only be favored by a point or two (while also losing a game that we would probably only be 1 or 2 point dogs). That would make us the luckiest team in the country.
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To be clear, that would involve us winning a lot of games where we would only be favored by a point or two (while also losing a game that we would probably only be 1 or 2 point dogs). That would make us the luckiest team in the country.
I in no way expect it to happen - 26-5 does have a nice ring to it though.
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I predicted a 14-4 season before conference play started and im sticking to that. I did pick @ St. Johns, @ Seton Hall and @ Villanova as 3 of the 4 losses. I believe that the 4th loss will either be @ Butler or @ Depaul. I fully expect MU to run the table at home and yes that does include beating NOVA
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TAMU and 1SE
Could they 26-5?, sure, it is a possibility. I think before anyone gets too far ahead of themselves, this team has to put together 40 minutes of very good ball. To date, I do not believe that this team has played what I would call a very good game. No doubt, a couple of good games, but not one that I came away saying, "this team can beat just about anyone out there".
I would love to see a game that is more balanced scoring, less turnovers, more turnovers forced a general control of the game. I readily admit that this team has won games I did not expect to them win, but a small (ok more than small part) part of me thinks there is a bit of smoke and mirrors. I really have my fingers crossed that the next four games shows me more than they are just scrappy.
Lastly, for all that love to jump on anything negative MU or Wojo, my thoughts are not meant to be negative. The team has done well and I have enjoyed the games I have attended this year. Actually have attended more games this year than previous 4 years of Wojo era combined and watched more minutes than I have in a long, long time.
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TAMU and 1SE
Could they 26-5?, sure, it is a possibility. I think before anyone gets too far ahead of themselves, this team has to put together 40 minutes of very good ball. To date, I do not believe that this team has played what I would call a very good game. No doubt, a couple of good games, but not one that I came away saying, "this team can beat just about anyone out there".
I would love to see a game that is more balanced scoring, less turnovers, more turnovers forced a general control of the game. I readily admit that this team has won games I did not expect to them win, but a small (ok more than small part) part of me thinks there is a bit of smoke and mirrors. I really have my fingers crossed that the next four games shows me more than they are just scrappy.
Lastly, for all that love to jump on anything negative MU or Wojo, my thoughts are not meant to be negative. The team has done well and I have enjoyed the games I have attended this year. Actually have attended more games this year than previous 4 years of Wojo era combined and watched more minutes than I have in a long, long time.
Sure - 26-5 is WAY putting the cart ahead of the horse - but is seems like a ceiling which is at least in the realm of possibility.
Buffalo was a solid 40 no? That was really a corner-turner for me with Wojo. Sure we'll still lose a head scratcher or two, and he still has flaws as a coach and the teams has flaws as well, but we are well on pace for a 4-5 seed. It's nice for MUBB to be relevant again. Let's hope we stay there.
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1SE
Buffalo was their best game, IMO. But, I did not walk out of Fiserv saying to me wife "that really was a watershed performance/win". It was not nice game, but really was the Howard half. Very nice win, but not a signature moment to me.
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To be clear, I don't expect anywhere near 26-5. I'm expecting closer to 21-10. Merely commenting on what the betting lines would be as of this date.
I think this team is capable of beating anybody on any given night. But there are a dozen or so teams that they would need to catch on an off night in order to win.
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To be clear, I don't expect anywhere near 26-5. I'm expecting closer to 21-10. Merely commenting on what the betting lines would be as of this date.
I think this team is capable of beating anybody on any given night. But there are a dozen or so teams that they would need to catch on an off night in order to win.
Not singling you out just the record 21-10 but into perspective. That would mean going 7-7 the rest of conference play. I would label that imo a disaster of a season and MUscoop would become a dumpster fire.
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Not singling you out just the record 21-10 but into perspective. That would mean going 7-7 the rest of conference play. I would label that imo a disaster of a season and MUscoop would become a dumpster fire.
You are correct and that was me being bad at math. In my head I said "I think they finish 12-6 in conference" and somehow my brain spit out 21-10 overall. Mondays.
I'm thinking more 23-8, 9-5 rest of the way.
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You are correct and that was me being bad at math. In my head I said "I think they finish 12-6 in conference" and somehow my brain spit out 21-10 overall. Mondays.
I'm thinking more 23-8, 9-5 rest of the way.
I could see that happening going 12-6. I think everyone is still riding high from that Creighton win and rightfully. Hopefully we can ride Howard similarly to how Davidson rode Stephen Curry.
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I predict we win out to 21-3 and the next game we lose will be at DePaul. That’s what I predicted preseason as well.
This scenario will be interesting from a rankings perspective because it will make us one of the first major conference teams with 20 wins.
If we win the next seven to go 21-3, I'll bet we are ranked between 5 and 8.
If we then lose to DePaul, this will be their first top 10 victory in decades.
It will be DePaul's highlight of the decade and lead to them signing Jalen Johnson.
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Just in ...
15 AP
13 Coaches
If we go 4-0 will we be top 10 in two weeks?
(by asking this here, did I just jinx the team?)
12 AP / 11 Coaches
That's my expectation. Most of the teams just ahead of us have pretty clear roads.
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I predict we win out to 21-3 and the next game we lose will be at DePaul. That’s what I predicted preseason as well.
This scenario will be interesting from a rankings perspective because it will make us one of the first major conference teams with 20 wins.
Now this is strange: 21-3 and losin at DePaul. Maybe it would sound better to be 20-4 and winning at DePaul.
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I have us losing no home games, and losing away to X, Nova, St. John’s and DePaul. There’s always one WTF loss, even for a good team.
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I have us losing no home games, and losing away to X, Nova, St. John’s and DePaul. There’s always one WTF loss, even for a good team.
This year that's two WTF losses
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I have us not losing again this season.
See y'all in Minny for the Final Four!
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I have us losing no home games, and losing away to X, Nova, St. John’s and DePaul. There’s always one WTF loss, even for a good team.
The first 15 minutes of the second half of Kansas.
Done ... so we can beat DePaul.
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Considering Theo attacks virtually every shot attempt, and absolutely impacts virtually every shot taken at the rim/in the lane - he takes himself out of defensive rebounding position as he goes to affect shot.
Can't get something for nothing. A ball-hawking, shot swatter, isn't going to have a great D rebounding rate.
Please stop lying. There are 26 guys (min 40% of team's minutes played) per barttorvik.com with a block rate over 11%. Theo's DR% is 4th worse. Lots of guys with 20%+ DR%'s. Theo's is under 15%. You are lying.
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Please stop lying. There are 26 guys (min 40% of team's minutes played) per barttorvik.com with a block rate over 11%. Theo's DR% is 4th worse. Lots of guys with 20%+ DR%'s. Theo's is under 15%. You are lying.
He has JB. He gooone. ;D
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I have us losing no home games, and losing away to X, Nova, St. John’s and DePaul. There’s always one WTF loss, even for a good team.
X or DePaul??
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X is good.. and dangerous at home.
DePaul is WTF.
Johnnies loss is a conflict of styles and skills.
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Ask me tonight. If we win tonight I think we sweep the 4 games.
Lose tonight and 3-1 or 2-2
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Ask me tonight. If we win tonight I think we sweep the 4 games.
Lose tonight and 3-1 or 2-2
So 4-0, 3-1, or 2-2? Way to hedge your bets ;D
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Ask me tonight. If we win tonight I think we sweep the 4 games.
Lose tonight and 3-1 or 2-2
If we lose the next three, I am gonna go with 1-3.
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So 4-0, 3-1, or 2-2? Way to hedge your bets ;D
My official prediction is 3-1 ;D
What I meant and failed to articulate is....
With a loss tonight I would be far from confident that we've figured out our road woes and the X game would worry me. I expect us to win the 2 home games regardless. If we win tonight I think 4-0, if we lose I wouldn't be surprised with 2-2. So I'm splitting the difference and going with 3-1.
So my official stance is 3-1. Subject to change. You're welcome.
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My official prediction is 3-1 ;D
What I meant and failed to articulate is....
With a loss tonight I would be far from confident that we've figured out our road woes and the X game would worry me. I expect us to win the 2 home games regardless. If we win tonight I think 4-0, if we lose I wouldn't be surprised with 2-2. So I'm splitting the difference and going with 3-1.
So my official stance is 3-1. Subject to change. You're welcome.
Duly noted, and officially recorded with the Dept. of Scoop Prognostications That Mean Nothing -- one of our corporation's largest departments.
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Hopefully we go 4-0 because you know we’re gonna lose at Hinkle.
I’m usually a pretty positive fan but I have no confidence in getting a win at that house of horrors.
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Hopefully we go 4-0 because you know we’re gonna lose at Hinkle.
I’m usually a pretty positive fan but I have no confidence in getting a win at that house of horrors.
At some point we have to win one there. Everyone else in the league has won there since the reformation (even DePaul).
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Bump.
I said 3-1, figuring we'd finally lose one we were "supposed" to win, but said I wouldn't have been surprised by 4-0 or 2-2. In other words, I really went out on a limb.
Congrats to all those who said we'd go 4-0. Not those who said we "should" go 4-0 -- and that if we didn't it would be another sign that Wojo was a failure (such as Ners, who IIRC was banned again after getting into it with wades and others in this thread) -- but those who confidently said something along the lines of: "4-0, baby! We got this!"
Well done.
I'm very impressed with this team's ability to win in a variety of ways and to overcome adversity. In the two road wins during this 4-game stretch, we made due without Markus and Morrow at GT and with Theo all but nullified by the refs at X. Won both games anyway thanks in part to nice contributions from the likes of Bailey, Heldt, Sacar and others -- and, of course, from our studs.
I had been a little concerned about Sam early on this season because he didn't quite seem all the way back from the hip injury. But during these 4 games, he looked fan-freakin-tastic.
Averaged 23.8 ppg on 53.4% shooting (including 50% from 3) and 7.5 rpg.
Big-time player steps up big-time.
Next!
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I’m the happiest wrong guy on the planet!