Marcus Allen.
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64 points combined from Markus, Joey, and Sacar.
Needed a game from Sacar like that. Feels like he needs to be less deferential. His game going well opens it a lot for Markus and the Hausers
1. Markus. All around good game.
2. Sacar. Great first half.
3. Joey. Look out Big East.
Let's get Sam going Wednesday! Go Warriors!
#M2N
Anim.
J Hauser quietly had a solid game, Morrow solid on the boards, and Markus was Markus. Just think Sacar's contribution made a huge difference.
Sacar
Markus Howard - Honorable Mention
Sacar!
Sacar
Sacar.
It was Markus, not just because of the 26/5/8 (he wasn't credited for a rebound on the long runout to Anim) but because he was primarily isolated on Xavier leading scorer Quentin Goodin. Q averages over 13 ppg & had 1 today. Markus was in his grill today.
Honorable mention to Sacar.
Yikes that was really ugly, but to still win by 18 says something about MU and Xavier, too.
Im going with Marcus, a number of times things got a little nervous and each time Marcus hit big time 3s.
1. Markus
2. (tie) Sacar/Joey.
Markus
Sacar. He was the spark plug that got everything going when no one was hitting.
HM Joey. He's very quiet out there, then you look at the box score and realize he has 20 points.
Sacar. End thread.
Nice game from Anim. But six 3-pointers and 26 total points, along with eight assists, from Howard. How does that not qualify for SOG?
My vote = Howard.
Sacar
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 06, 2019, 01:04:23 PM
It was Markus, not just because of the 26/5/8 (he wasn't credited for a rebound on the long runout to Anim) but because he was primarily isolated on Xavier leading scorer Quentin Goodin. Q averages over 13 ppg & had 1 today. Markus was in his grill today.
I was wondering about this. I'm not sure how much Goodin played. He only appears in the play by play once in the second half. Did he get hurt or something or did Howard make him that much of a non-factor?
1. Joey
2. Sacar
3. Markus
Markus
Markus. He would have had double digit assists if the other guys hit even some of those open looks.
Sacar. We needed his big first half.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 06, 2019, 01:11:55 PM
I was wondering about this. I'm not sure how much Goodin played. He only appears in the play by play once in the second half. Did he get hurt or something or did Howard make him that much of a non-factor?
Markus took him out of the first half. At one point in the second, I noticed he had a bit of a limp. I do think they rested him once they got down 15+. Though his replacement, Keonte Kennedy, didn't do much better against Howard. That was one of his better defensive days, at least in the possessions I was watching him specifically.
Sacar. 20 points, 7 rebs no turnovers on fewer shots. Markus has 5 turnovers.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 06, 2019, 01:06:28 PM
Sacar. End thread.
End thread might work when a guy scores 40 in 1 half
But yeah, discussion is still open today
Sacar.
Sacar
Markus played a well rounded game on offense and defense.
Sacar
Sacar.
Markus ends up with better overall numbers but Sacar's first half allowed us to play with a big lead for the whole game.
Every in rhythm play we had was the result of Anim doing big things. Easy call in my mind.
Sacar
Markus
Joey
Sacar
I think with the defense on Goodin Markus gets the nod. It's close though. Sacar almost singlehandedly kept us in it in the first half.
Markus. Efficient. 26/8/5. We do not appreciate him.
Sacar is a close 2nd. Joey was good as well.
Sacar
MarKus
I do have to say, poor Joey. I think he's been the second or third best player in about every one of our wins and was the best player in our last loss.
1. Sacar
2. Markus (close second)
3. Joey Hauser
Sacar
Sacar. We're better when he's driving well. Easier to drive and dish, and all our shooters are significantly better off catch and shoot vs off the dribble.
If there's any game for a team sotg, it's this one.
Sacar.
It was definitely Sacar....although loved Markus' assist stats.
Markus.
Looked like he was making a clear effort to get teammates involved right away. Moved the ball well and had some beautiful passes, including the half-court pass that hit Sacar perfectly in stride for a monster throw down. A game-high 26 points, 8 assists and good man-to-man defense throughout (including 4 rebounds and a steal).
Props to Sacar and Joey. I was also impressed with Ed's defense. Xavier is a very tough offensive rebounding team, and he kept them off the glass as well as anyone. On the block, Xavier tried mightily but just couldn't move him. He definitely stepped up with Theo in foul trouble.
Upon 2nd watch I'd lean even more towards Markus. He had a few bad turnovers but more great passes. Most importantly, Sacar's points were mostly created by good passing or good seals by the bigs. Howard created everything himself and created a good chunk of Sacar's points as well.
I originally thought Sacar, but after reviewing the game I say Howard. As mentioned, he made it a priority to involve others. Doing so is impressive because he still put up his usual solid offense.
We don't take the big first-half lead without Sacar playing superbly, but it's hard to ignore Markus' all-around production.
Markus would have easily had a double-double if Ed could make a layup without traveling today.
I go with Markus, but Sacar would be a fine choice too.
Also, thumbs-up to the Hauser who was on today.
Have to go with Sacar he gace us the big lead in first half. His scoring and driving opened up Markus
So close it's almost a tie so either answer is fine. Sacar by a nose. That cut to the basket as Markus found him off the baseline drive was exactly how we need to play.
Sacar
Markus wasn't very efficient today so couldn't give it to him.
Quote from: whitykj on January 06, 2019, 05:21:31 PM
Sacar
Markus wasn't very efficient today so couldn't give it to him.
Markus had an eFG% of 61.9%. He was very efficient today.
Another point I'll add in the Markus column, the 5 turnovers look really bad, but I believe two of them occurred because he was given the ball with less than 3 seconds on the shot clock and was forced to make something happen when there was nothing.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 06, 2019, 05:55:14 PM
Markus had an eFG% of 61.9%. He was very efficient today.
Another point I'll add in the Markus column, the 5 turnovers look really bad, but I believe two of them occurred because he was given the ball with less than 3 seconds on the shot clock and was forced to make something happen when there was nothing.
Agreed. And not only is Markus responsible for every single one of the end of shot clock scenarios, he has the ball in his hands 75% of the time and it's really him that opens up everything for everyone.
Sacar was great today but he was partially great because of Markus. Markus was great because of Markus. If Markus wasn't so consistently great he'd win this vote going away.
Symir Torrence? Most exciting MU play of the day.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 06, 2019, 05:55:14 PM
Markus had an eFG% of 61.9%. He was very efficient today.
Another point I'll add in the Markus column, the 5 turnovers look really bad, but I believe two of them occurred because he was given the ball with less than 3 seconds on the shot clock and was forced to make something happen when there was nothing.
And one where Chartouny got tripped by the ref.
Quote from: MUeagle1090 on January 06, 2019, 04:13:48 PM
Upon 2nd watch I'd lean even more towards Markus. He had a few bad turnovers but more great passes. Most importantly, Sacar's points were mostly created by good passing or good seals by the bigs. Howard created everything himself and created a good chunk of Sacar's points as well.
Sounds like Sacar only gets the easy buckets! :D
Quote from: tower912 on January 06, 2019, 07:03:01 PM
And one where Chartouny got tripped by the ref.
Yes that happened a few times today. We need to get out of the mode where with 4 seconds left in the shot clock and no where to go from 15 feet we thtow it to Marcus 30 feet away from the basket. Shot fake, step thru, fade away do something instead if having Markus catch it with 1-2 seconds left. Face guarded and 30-35 feet away
sacar
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 06, 2019, 08:22:38 PM
Yes that happened a few times today. We need to get out of the mode where with 4 seconds left in the shot clock and no where to go from 15 feet we thtow it to Marcus 30 feet away from the basket. Shot fake, step thru, fade away do something instead if having Markus catch it with 1-2 seconds left. Face guarded and 30-35 feet away
I know I'm way off topic but there was one time when the clock was running down, Markus had an 'okay' look, but chose to get it to Joey with about 2-3 seconds left. Joey had a 'What the eff do you want me to do with it?' look on his face.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 06, 2019, 02:10:04 PM
I think with the defense on Goodin Markus gets the nod. It's close though. Sacar almost singlehandedly kept us in it in the first half.
Agree that Markus wins it.
Disagree that Sacar almost singlehandedly "kept us in it" in the first half. It would have been close (at least closer) without him but we certainly wouldn't have been out of it.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 06, 2019, 08:54:15 PM
Agree that Markus wins it.
Disagree that Sacar almost singlehandedly "kept us in it" in the first half. It would have been close (at least closer) without him but we certainly wouldn't have been out of it.
Kept us in it was a poor choice of words. Singlehandedly kept us in the lead would have been better.
We successfully avoided the "No Stud when we lose" message after St. John's.
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(Sacar)
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 06, 2019, 05:55:14 PM
Markus had an eFG% of 61.9%. He was very efficient today.
Another point I'll add in the Markus column, the 5 turnovers look really bad, but I believe two of them occurred because he was given the ball with less than 3 seconds on the shot clock and was forced to make something happen when there was nothing.
And one of them was a pass that would have been caught had a ref not tripped Chartouney.
Sacar Anim
Can't believe it's even in debate for those that saw the game
Joey was very good. Markus did things he doesn't do too much like make a lot of good passes and rebound big
But sacar was the difference today. Dude stepped up like we wouldn't have expected. Scored inside, scored outside, played good defense. Scored when we needed him to. Sacar your table is ready and we need you to keep filling it with empty plates
Sacar
Sacar was the difference. 26 from Markus is the norm, nothing special.
Yeah 20 on 14 shots with 7 boards and 0 TOs > 26 on 21 shots with 5 TOs (even with 8 dimes).
Plus the energy.
Sacar
Anim.
I wanna say sacar. The kid got a 20 second standing ovation from Jae after his dunk and he brought the energy to the first half.
Quote from: WarriorFan on January 07, 2019, 03:29:22 AM
Sacar was the difference. 26 from Markus is the norm, nothing special.
Only the mods know the exact formula for SOTG, and that is locked in a secret vault buried under an undisclosed Arby's. However, IMO, the criteria should be who had the biggest role in helping MU win, not who performed the most above their expected average.
Amazing. 26 pts, 8 assists by any other player at any other time in the history of scoop would have been a lock for SOTG. Becoming numb to brilliance.
Sacar, Markus
Quote from: tower912 on January 07, 2019, 08:10:09 AM
Amazing. 26 pts, 8 assists by any other player at any other time in the history of scoop would have been a lock for SOTG. Becoming numb to brilliance.
Not becoming numb at all. But I'm not going to ignore Sacars energy and performance, especially in the first half.
Quote from: tower912 on January 07, 2019, 08:10:09 AM
Amazing. 26 pts, 8 assists by any other player at any other time in the history of scoop would have been a lock for SOTG. Becoming numb to brilliance.
It really comes down to 26p, 8a, and 5 TOs, vs 20p, 7r, and 0 TO. Seeing as TO's have been arguable our biggest problem on the year, it's not unreasonable to weigh them more heavily.
Note, the TO where JC tripped over the ref was just bad luck, but shot clock TOs count as team TOs, not personal ones. Markus had 5 TOs, Joey had 2, Sam had 1, Ed had 2. Adds up to 10, box score lists us with 12 for the game.
Markus - could have had 10 assists, Morrow played well but needs to finish.
Quote from: Its DJOver on January 07, 2019, 08:33:17 AM
Note, the TO where JC tripped over the ref was just bad luck, but shot clock TOs count as team TOs, not personal ones. Markus had 5 TOs, Joey had 2, Sam had 1, Ed had 2. Adds up to 10, box score lists us with 12 for the game.
Yes but two of Markus' TOs occurred in the last seconds of the shot clock because he was given the ball with less than 5 seconds and expected to make something out of nothing. More forgivable than your standard TO IMHO
Quote from: tower912 on January 07, 2019, 08:10:09 AM
Amazing. 26 pts, 8 assists by any other player at any other time in the history of scoop would have been a lock for SOTG. Becoming numb to brilliance.
Markus is certainly a viable choice tower. But Sacar's efficiency, rebounds and lack of TO's can't be overlooked. Personally I don't think Markus had a 'bad' TO day at all for the reasons mentioned. A very close call.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 07, 2019, 08:41:26 AM
Yes but two of Markus' TOs occurred in the last seconds of the shot clock because he was given the ball with less than 5 seconds and expected to make something out of nothing. More forgivable than your standard TO IMHO
Yep. Yesterday we were actually pretty good with the ball. Is a shot clock violation listed as a TO?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 07, 2019, 08:41:26 AM
Yes but two of Markus' TOs occurred in the last seconds of the shot clock because he was given the ball with less than 5 seconds and expected to make something out of nothing. More forgivable than your standard TO IMHO
True, but the shot clock violation team TO in the second half resulted from when Markus passed the ball to Joey with less than 3 seconds on the shot clock, when he really had nowhere to go. Team TO, but kinda on Markus. If the mods give it to Markus, I'd have no problem, but similar to how we get "numb" to his offensive abilities, I think we also get "numb" to Sacar's defensive abilities. Markus played well defensively, but I still think Sacar played better on that end of the floor.
Quote from: jsglow on January 07, 2019, 08:45:16 AM
Yep. Yesterday we were actually pretty good with the ball. Is a shot clock violation listed as a TO?
Counted as a team turnover. Counted in the totals, but not attributed to any specific player.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 07, 2019, 08:41:26 AM
Yes but two of Markus' TOs occurred in the last seconds of the shot clock because he was given the ball with less than 5 seconds and expected to make something out of nothing. More forgivable than your standard TO IMHO
Markus gets the easy turnovers!?!
If SOTG is most unexpected good performance then yeah it is Sacar. If it is best player/performance of the day, then it's Markus.
The only knock on Markus is the turnovers but he also has the ball in his hands like 75% of the time. Amazing that 26/8/4 efficiently is "nothing special" to some.
Quote from: Its DJOver on January 07, 2019, 08:47:48 AM
True, but the shot clock violation team TO in the second half resulted from when Markus passed the ball to Joey with less than 3 seconds on the shot clock, when he really had nowhere to go. Team TO, but kinda on Markus. If the mods give it to Markus, I'd have no problem, but similar to how we get "numb" to his offensive abilities, I think we also get "numb" to Sacar's defensive abilities. Markus played well defensively, but I still think Sacar played better on that end of the floor.
Personally I think Markus has been abetter defender than Sacar this season. Yesterday Markus' main assignment was Goodin. He had 1 point. Sacars main assignment was Scruggs. He had 17 points (though a lot of that occurred after the game was in hand).
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 07, 2019, 09:50:28 AM
Personally I think Markus has been abetter defender than Sacar this season. Yesterday Markus' main assignment was Goodin. He had 1 point. Sacars main assignment was Scruggs. He had 17 points (though a lot of that occurred after the game was in hand).
Goodin also only got 20 min, 15 below his average, (likely hurt), and the players that got his minutes were a true Sophomore averaging 3 ppg, and a true Freshman averaging 2 ppg. Again, Markus didn't do a bad job defensively, but Sacar has been the better defender.
Quote from: MU82 on January 06, 2019, 04:41:22 PM
We don't take the big first-half lead without Sacar playing superbly, but it's hard to ignore Markus' all-around production.
Markus would have easily had a double-double if Ed could make a layup without traveling today.
I go with Markus, but Sacar would be a fine choice too.
Also, thumbs-up to the Hauser who was on today.
I think this sums it all up pretty well. We get spoiled with what Markus is capable of, to the point that his 26/5/8 stat line doesn't even jump out as excellent. I'm glad to see Sacar have this kind of game that I've been thinking he's capable of, but I'd still have to go with Markus.
Hopefully this game propels Sacar to a few more 20 point outings. Having a guy that can get to the rim (and finish) can help change up the pace of our offense at times, which is a big positive.
Quote from: tower912 on January 07, 2019, 08:10:09 AM
Amazing. 26 pts, 8 assists by any other player at any other time in the history of scoop would have been a lock for SOTG. Becoming numb to brilliance.
Meh. Markus got his, but I thought he had a very sloppy 1st half and some bad turnovers. Didn't shoot the ball great (for him). Right or wrong, the kid is so good that strong performances are expected. Even a B performance from Markus is impressive at the end of the game.
I voted for Sacar. I think he was the key to the win yesterday. Obviously Markus was still very good.
Sacar. He performed the furthest above his expected level yesterday.
Quote from: Its DJOver on January 07, 2019, 10:04:38 AM
Goodin also only got 20 min, 15 below his average, (likely hurt), and the players that got his minutes were a true Sophomore averaging 3 ppg, and a true Freshman averaging 2 ppg. Again, Markus didn't do a bad job defensively, but Sacar has been the better defender.
Holding someone to 1 point in 20 minutes is better than holding someone to 17 in 33.
Can you show your work on Sacar being the better defender?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 07, 2019, 12:32:11 PM
Holding someone to 1 point in 20 minutes is better than holding someone to 17 in 33.
Can you show your work on Sacar being the better defender?
The fact that Wojo almost gives him the toughest defensive assignment among guards. He was the primary defender against Ponds, and Langford, and he started on Massinburg, and only got switched off him because Harris was torching us, he then proceeded to slow down Harris. Even against X, Scruggs is a significantly better shooter, and three point shooter than Goodin. If Wojo didn't think that Sacar was our best perimeter defender, he wouldn't assign these tasks.
Quote from: Its DJOver on January 07, 2019, 12:46:43 PM
The fact that Wojo almost gives him the toughest defensive assignment among guards. He was the primary defender against Ponds, and Langford, and he started on Massinburg, and only got switched off him because Harris was torching us, he then proceeded to slow down Harris. Even against X, Scruggs is a significantly better shooter, and three point shooter than Goodin. If Wojo didn't think that Sacar was our best perimeter defender, he wouldn't assign these tasks.
I meant in this game.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 07, 2019, 01:12:05 PM
I meant in this game.
Quality of shot forced. Sacar always seemed to have a hand in a guys face/forcing a fade-away, and that caused some really ugly shots from X. There were a couple of times that Markus didn't even really contest a three point shot (not being critical, they hadn't hit one all day, so make em prove it before you get back in their grill). I thought Markus did fine defensively, just that Sacar did better.
Maybe it's the Coobie effect of noticing Sacar more, because he has more active hands/more length to contest better. Kinda the opposite of Hanks rebounding, where you could never really remember a super emphatic rebound that he skied for, but you'd look up and he'd have 8-12 of them.
Sacar, he scored most of his points when the game was in doubt. Marcus scored about 40% of his point in the ~10 minutes of the game when the game was already in hand.
Sacar. Because it was really close between him, Joey, and Markus, so I turned to my trusty kenpom, who had anointed him MVP of the game (likely because he had the highest O rating).
I want a refund.
Or an Arby's coupon.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 07, 2019, 01:36:51 PM
Sacar. Because it was really close between him, Joey, and Markus, so I turned to my trusty kenpom, who had anointed him MVP of the game (likely because he had the highest O rating).
You chose wisely.
Where's Sacar?
Quote from: T-Bone on January 08, 2019, 10:35:29 AM
Where's Sacar?
Just realised he'll be the last player to wear the old uniforms.