A long closed door meeting in the locker room after the St. Johns loss. So, no Wojo with Homer post-game.
Post here when/if you get color on what was said.
I will speculate that profanity was used.
Wojo should be fired up!
Markus, Sam, and Theo came out flat.
Guys didn't bring the physicality needed.
He needed to get their attention.
They will be fine.
White tee shirt practice coming...
white t-shirts and practice outside at Merrill Park tomorrow
Quote from: Tower Tops on January 01, 2019, 08:36:35 PM
A long closed door meeting in the locker room after the St. Johns loss. So, no Wojo with Homer post-game.
Post here when/if you get color on what was said.
Good! Nobody competed tonight (with the possible exception of Joey for a short time). If there isn't a huge response vs. Xavier and Creighton I'd be very surprised.
"On defense, make them miss shots. Make them miss."
Quote from: 94Warrior on January 01, 2019, 08:47:08 PM
Good! Nobody competed tonight (with the possible exception of Joey for a short time). If there isn't a huge response vs. Xavier and Creighton I'd be very surprised.
I would say Ed and Joseph C showed up
There was a game a year or two ago where Wojo missed the post game show after a long team meeting. They actually cut back in after the show so Wojo could do the postgame interview.
That was at home though. Wonder if they don't have that ability on the road.
Quote from: tower912 on January 01, 2019, 08:39:18 PM
I will speculate that profanity was used.
Intro by Kevin O'Neil
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 01, 2019, 08:50:44 PM
I would say Ed and Joseph C showed up
STJ did a great job of allowing Ed to get the ball in the post and not doubling. Ed's game is not post isolation. Very ineffective as a post. More of an energy guy. FTs were brutal.
EM,JC and JH showed up, the problem all the other BE experience did not. What the heck is up with Cain? Looks like a freshman, completely lost??
QuoteEM,JC and JH showed up, the problem all the other BE experience did not. What the heck is up with Cain? Looks like a freshman, completely lost??
We are now the hunted, being #16 in the country. It's a different position for everyone to be in and we need to learn to bring it every night.
Cain got some run last night, but he looks lost when he has the ball. Air-balled three and an easy travel call. He is athletic and long and provides defense and rebounding. Ponds was just unstoppable when he was on him.
To me it has become increasingly evident that Sam has had issues with fouls when more athletic G/F are driving at him. Last night, at least one of them was questionable, but he has had trouble moving his feet to get in position especially on baseline drives.
Sometimes you get a wakeup call after long winning streaks. Last night was just that. Wojo probably felt the need to politely remind the team that every game is important and 40 minutes of effort is required to win in the Big East.
This kind of game happens from time to time, and hopefully it becomes motivation for our guys. That said, 2 true road games each resulting in 20+ point losses is not great. This team needs to find a way to win on the road. And while I'm sure they will, how long it might take is still up in the air.
Wojo's body language throughout the game gave off the vibe that he was fine with having his ass handed to him on a silver platter. Lotsa work still needs ta bee dunn, aina?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 02, 2019, 10:41:07 AM
Wojo's body language throughout the game gave off the vibe that he was fine with having his ass handed to him on a silver platter.
You should probably stick to nonsensical attempts at being funny.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 02, 2019, 10:41:07 AM
Wojo's body language throughout the game gave off the vibe that he was fine with having his ass handed to him on a silver platter. Lotsa work still needs ta bee dunn, aina?
I actually thought this was nice to see. He looked like a guy who was thinking "these guys will be very teachable the next few weeks"
Wojo his first few years showed a lot of intensity and anger. Too much anger. I much prefer this calmer Wojo.
Quote from: MUeagle1090 on January 02, 2019, 10:44:04 AM
I actually thought this was nice to see. He looked like a guy who was thinking "these guys will be very teachable the next few weeks"
Wojo his first few years showed a lot of intensity and anger. Too much anger. I much prefer this calmer Wojo.
Agreed, it's easier to tune out a guy who flies off the handle all the time.
Quote from: MUeagle1090 on January 02, 2019, 10:44:04 AM
I actually thought this was nice to see. He looked like a guy who was thinking "these guys will be very teachable the next few weeks"
Wojo his first few years showed a lot of intensity and anger. Too much anger. I much prefer this calmer Wojo.
He was calmer, but he certainly looked pissed.
Quote from: Sultan of South Wayne on January 02, 2019, 10:51:28 AM
He was calmer, but he certainly looked pissed.
Agreed. As he should have been. Controlled anger is usually more productive, though.
Muguru takes it as a sign that Wojo is not as emotionally invested as guru is. It has been my experience that there are very few times that losing your (crap) actually gets anything accomplished.
Quote from: MUeagle1090 on January 02, 2019, 10:44:04 AM
I actually thought this was nice to see. He looked like a guy who was thinking "these guys will be very teachable the next few weeks"
Wojo his first few years showed a lot of intensity and anger. Too much anger. I much prefer this calmer Wojo.
I completely agree. There was a timeout sequence a few years back where some here ridiculed Chris Mullin for saying NOTHING during a timeout, beyond a few words of encouragement.
Constant screaming, yelling, and hyper-reactive do NOT calm a team whatsoever. I thought Wojo's in the huddle segment shown was alright last night. Perhaps a little simplistic in message - stop them from scoring - but he was calm.
Quote from: Floorslapper on January 02, 2019, 11:35:23 AM
I completely agree. There was a timeout sequence a few years back where some here ridiculed Chris Mullin for saying NOTHING during a timeout, beyond a few words of encouragement.
Constant screaming, yelling, and hyper-reactive do NOT calm a team whatsoever. I thought Wojo's in the huddle segment shown was alright last night. Perhaps a little simplistic in message - stop them from scoring - but he was calm.
Nick Saban might disagree. I honestly was starting to wonder if he would keel over on the sidelines during the semifinal when he was screaming so much he looked like his face went past red straight to purple.
Quote from: MUEng92 on January 02, 2019, 12:05:10 PM
Nick Saban might disagree. I honestly was starting to wonder if he would keel over on the sidelines during the semifinal when he was screaming so much he looked like his face went past red straight to purple.
If Wojo had Nick Saban-like BB recruits he wouldn't have to yell much.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 02, 2019, 10:41:07 AM
Wojo's body language throughout the game gave off the vibe that he was fine with having his ass handed to him on a silver platter. Lotsa work still needs ta bee dunn, aina?
Keep trying.
Remind me who you wanted when wojo was hired?
Great to hear, major teaching moment, can't let that kind of an opportunity slip
I hope I am wrong but it looked like STJ's speed, athletic ability, great shooting but poorly coached team outclassed a better coached, normally good shooting, slow moving, less athletic team. Question is can we improve our defense with better anticipation to compensate for our weaknesses? Not sure we change our speed or athletic ability in the short term. Possibly we can have more set plays to improve our offense to also offset our limitations. I hope some of the experts out there can come up with some better solutions.
I really love this team. I expect them to do very well against more methodical teams. Unbridled one-on-one talent like St. John's is an issue for us unless this coaching staff can come up with a magic bullet. I sure hope they do. They are a great bunch of kids with talent who deserve more than what we saw last night.
Quote from: MUeagle1090 on January 02, 2019, 10:44:04 AM
I actually thought this was nice to see. He looked like a guy who was thinking "these guys will be very teachable the next few weeks"
Wojo his first few years showed a lot of intensity and anger. Too much anger. I much prefer this calmer Wojo.
Agreed! Once every six games a team plays awful. I only get nervous if we get a second awful performance within 5 games.
Quote from: Class71 on January 02, 2019, 04:30:12 PM
I hope I am wrong but it looked like STJ's speed, athletic ability, great shooting but poorly coached team outclassed a better coached, normally good shooting, slow moving, less athletic team. Question is can we improve our defense with better anticipation to compensate for our weaknesses? Not sure we change our speed or athletic ability in the short term. Possibly we can have more set plays to improve our offense to also offset our limitations. I hope some of the experts out there can come up with some better solutions.
I really love this team. I expect them to do very well against more methodical teams. Unbridled one-on-one talent like St. John's is an issue for us unless this coaching staff can come up with a magic bullet. I sure hope they do. They are a great bunch of kids with talent who deserve more than what we saw last night.
How is STJ "poorly coached?"
Sheesh, so our less athletic and slower team beat Buffalo, Wisconsin Louisville, Kansas state amongst 7 other wins, but reared our ugly slow, uncoordinated team during 3 losses or just this one against St. John's?
Quote from: Boston Warrior on January 01, 2019, 08:42:13 PM
Wojo should be fired up!
Markus, Sam, and Theo came out flat.
Guys didn't bring the physicality needed.
He needed to get their attention.
They will be fine.
he should have had their attention before and during the game, and no, they are not fine, given the ass kicking they received.
Quote from: VegasWarrior77 on January 02, 2019, 12:33:57 PM
If Wojo had Nick Saban-like BB recruits he wouldn't have to yell much.
If Wojo had St. Johns type recruits, he wouldnt have to yell much.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 02, 2019, 05:48:58 PM
he should have had their attention before and during the game, and no, they are not fine, given the ass kicking they received.
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I've been hopeful but sceptical about Wojo. This season so far has given him some respect capital he hasn't had previously. Yes it was ugly but I now have faith it was just one game and MU will be better.
I realize this concept is foriegn to the Wojo faithful but that is how many of us view it.
Quote from: Sultan of South Wayne on January 02, 2019, 04:53:59 PM
How is STJ "poorly coached?"
I see real talent at each position playing great one-on-one play. I do not believe that is a coaching strategy from a great coach.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on January 02, 2019, 05:28:33 PM
Sheesh, so our less athletic and slower team beat Buffalo, Wisconsin Louisville, Kansas state amongst 7 other wins, but reared our ugly slow, uncoordinated team during 3 losses or just this one against St. John's?
We were just lucky our opponents played poorly.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on January 02, 2019, 05:28:33 PM
Sheesh, so our less athletic and slower team beat Buffalo, Wisconsin Louisville, Kansas state amongst 7 other wins, but reared our ugly slow, uncoordinated team during 3 losses or just this one against St. John's?
Did not say uncoordinated or ugly. You added that. I said slower and less athletic than STJ. The 4 teams you mentioned are very good teams and they are excellent wins. STJ is, however, faster and more athletic then the four above and, therefore, are a difficult match up for us in my opinion. The 7 other wins were against teams with considerably less talent so not a good test. Apparently you disagree with our speed and athletic ability. OK, that is fine with me. I just believe it is not our strength. We have other strengths.
Last year STJ was also inconsistent. We will see if that returns this year.
Quote from: Class71 on January 02, 2019, 10:03:36 PM
I see real talent at each position playing great one-on-one play. I do not believe that is a coaching strategy from a great coach.
But that's what they should have done. They spread MU out on defense and attacked five out. A good coach doesn't make things complex if they don't have to. I mean, that strategy resulted in 86 points against a team that has a decent defense.
That's hardly the result of poor coaching.
St. John's surely exploited some areas of concern with their athleticism, but they also were a fired up team that got on a roll and hit a lot of shots in opening up their big lead. We've all seen those games are going to happen a handful of times a year. The game had a bit of the feel of the Buffalo game where it seemed like every open look was knocked down, not just by Markus, and things snowballed. St. John's got confident and buried shots that aren't always going to go, even when open. At the same time, Markus and MU missed a lot of shots and didn't finish at the rim repeatedly without getting calls and going to the line. It was one of those perfect storm games where the other team gets on a roll and we couldn't knock shots down that may have stemmed the tide. It is disappointing this has happened in our only 2 road games so far, and will be a significant problem if it continues. For the time being, I suspect this will be the exception rather than the norm, and we will have our share of games that are similar in our favor. We've had a couple already (KState and Buffalo).
Quote from: Class71 on January 02, 2019, 04:30:12 PM
I hope I am wrong but it looked like STJ's speed, athletic ability, great shooting but poorly coached team outclassed a better coached, normally good shooting, slow moving, less athletic team. Question is can we improve our defense with better anticipation to compensate for our weaknesses? Not sure we change our speed or athletic ability in the short term.
Sounds like you think Chris Mullen was coaching Duke last night rather than St Johns. I know others here have suggested he can't coach, but the team I watched beat us looked pretty well prepared to me. In addition, even though it's a given here that #huddles mo matta I was impressed with the way he conducted his - told his guys exactly what they needed to do down the stretch.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on January 02, 2019, 05:28:33 PM
Sheesh, so our less athletic and slower team beat Buffalo, Wisconsin Louisville, Kansas state amongst 7 other wins, but reared our ugly slow, uncoordinated team during 3 losses or just this one against St. John's?
I watched most of the KSU vs. Texas game last night, and I'm beginning to wonder if the KSU win will still be considered a big win come March. They looked terrible and got beat by a decent but inconsistent (maybe mediocre?) Texas team at home. Since losing to us in Milwaukee, they haven't been impressive at all. They lost to Tulsa, and barely squeaked out wins against Southern Miss (4 pts) and George Mason (1 pt), both at home. Throw in the 20 point drubbing at home against Texas, and they've had a rough month.
Their next 4 games are against Texas Tech, West Virginia, Iowa State, and Oklahoma, which is a brutal stretch. If they manage to go 2-2 or better, then there may be hope for them. But there's a real possibility they could lose all 4 of these games and see a big drop in their NET and kenpom rankings.
Quote from: skianth16 on January 03, 2019, 08:51:13 AM
I watched most of the KSU vs. Texas game last night, and I'm beginning to wonder if the KSU win will still be considered a big win come March. They looked terrible and got beat by a decent but inconsistent (maybe mediocre?) Texas team at home. Since losing to us in Milwaukee, they haven't been impressive at all. They lost to Tulsa, and barely squeaked out wins against Southern Miss (4 pts) and George Mason (1 pt), both at home. Throw in the 20 point drubbing at home against Texas, and they've had a rough month.
Their next 4 games are against Texas Tech, West Virginia, Iowa State, and Oklahoma, which is a brutal stretch. If they manage to go 2-2 or better, then there may be hope for them. But there's a real possibility they could lose all 4 of these games and see a big drop in their NET and kenpom rankings.
They're missing a some pretty important players right now.
Quote from: skianth16 on January 03, 2019, 08:51:13 AM
I watched most of the KSU vs. Texas game last night, and I'm beginning to wonder if the KSU win will still be considered a big win come March. They looked terrible and got beat by a decent but inconsistent (maybe mediocre?) Texas team at home. Since losing to us in Milwaukee, they haven't been impressive at all. They lost to Tulsa, and barely squeaked out wins against Southern Miss (4 pts) and George Mason (1 pt), both at home. Throw in the 20 point drubbing at home against Texas, and they've had a rough month.
Their next 4 games are against Texas Tech, West Virginia, Iowa State, and Oklahoma, which is a brutal stretch. If they manage to go 2-2 or better, then there may be hope for them. But there's a real possibility they could lose all 4 of these games and see a big drop in their NET and kenpom rankings.
KScoopU is going apesh!t.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 03, 2019, 08:47:09 AM
Sounds like you think Chris Mullen was coaching Duke last night rather than St Johns. I know others here have suggested he can't coach, but the team I watched beat us looked pretty well prepared to me. In addition, even though it's a given here that #huddles mo matta I was impressed with the way he conducted his - told his guys exactly what they needed to do down the stretch.
I've been impressed with Mullen since he took over at St. John's. He's put his stamp on that program. He has some clout/cache with recruits. Mitch Richmond on his staff as well. Similarly some here also have ridiculed the Patrick Ewing hire, yet in my view he has GTown on the right track, and much like Mullen will have clout/cache with recruits and recruit's parents.
Not sure we are at a point where we can be claiming any kind of head coaching superiority over other programs in the Big East.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 03, 2019, 08:59:46 AM
They're missing a some pretty important players right now.
Fair point. I noticed Wade wasn't playing but didn't realize he's hurt. And from a quick search, it looks like last night was the first game Stokes has missed due to injury. They were both healthy and playing against Tulsa, though. And I would still expect a top 25 team to be able to roll past teams like George Mason and Georgia Southern even if they're playing without a starter.
So even though injuries are an unforeseen setback, they are still likely to affect the outcome of future games. Knowing 2 of their best guys are down, I'm even more skeptical that our win against them will carry much weight come March. Maybe they get back to 100% and go on a run, which would be great for us, but I'm not sure I see that happening.
Or maybe the committee will look at our game and note that it was a different KSU team than what they had for a long stretch of the year. Does anyone know how this typically works?
*Mullin
Quote from: Floorslapper on January 03, 2019, 09:25:53 AM
I've been impressed with Mullen since he took over at St. John's. He's put his stamp on that program. He has some clout/cache with recruits. Mitch Richmond on his staff as well. Similarly some here also have ridiculed the Patrick Ewing hire, yet in my view he has GTown on the right track, and much like Mullen will have clout/cache with recruits and recruit's parents.
Not sure we are at a point where we can be claiming any kind of head coaching superiority over other programs in the Big East.
I don't think Mullin has done a bad job, but this is his 4th season, and he has yet to finish a year with a winning record. Yes he was left a (please forgive me) bare cupboard, but as we all know, it takes four to five years to judge. Similar to Wojo this year, he has more talent than he ever has had before so this is the season where the rubber meets the road. Also, as much as people have complained about the transfers out of the MU program, there have been more players leaving the StJ program. They're off to a very good start this year, but given their SOS, will likely need 22-23 wins to get a bid. If they get there, I think the program will be okay (assuming they can cut down on the transfers). If they are an NIT team this year, and Ponds leaves, I think there will rightfully be some major questions about the future of the program.
Quote from: Floorslapper on January 03, 2019, 09:25:53 AM
I've been impressed with Mullen since he took over at St. John's. He's put his stamp on that program. He has some clout/cache with recruits. Mitch Richmond on his staff as well. Similarly some here also have ridiculed the Patrick Ewing hire, yet in my view he has GTown on the right track, and much like Mullen will have clout/cache with recruits and recruit's parents.
I think former NBA players and coaches just have a different vibe. It drives me nuts to see college coaches micro-managing everything and screaming incessantly on the sidelines. Mullin and Ewing both seem to choose their words carefully letting the players figure it out. A lot of other successful college coaches have as well.
Quote from: Floorslapper on January 03, 2019, 09:25:53 AM
Not sure we are at a point where we can be claiming any kind of head coaching superiority over other programs in the Big East.
Well by numerous measures Wojo has been more successful than both Mullin and Ewing so....
Quote from: Sultan of South Wayne on January 03, 2019, 09:36:12 AM
I think former NBA players and coaches just have a different vibe. It drives me nuts to see college coaches micro-managing everything and screaming incessantly on the sidelines. Mullin and Ewing both seem to choose their words carefully letting the players figure it out. A lot of other successful college coaches have as well.
Well by numerous measures Wojo has been more successful than both Mullin and Ewing so....
Agree with bolded.
Sure...but not quite fair comparison with Mullin now in Year 4. However, every year they've improved in Pomeroy from 211, to 99, to 74 last year, to 40 now (all of which are worse than MU under Wojo
Ewing in Year 2. Too early to really measure him against Wojo
There was just some sentiment here that ridiculed Mullin and Ewing as head coaches, and to me that seems a little out of place as our coach hasn't exactly blazed an incredible start to his career.
Takes 5-years to judge, right?
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on January 03, 2019, 10:16:31 AM
Unless you're the Pope.
<hat tip>
I actually did that because I realized I made the same mistake earlier but still...
Quote from: Floorslapper on January 03, 2019, 10:12:28 AM
There was just some sentiment here that ridiculed Mullin and Ewing as head coaches, and to me that seems a little out of place as our coach hasn't exactly blazed an incredible start to his career.
Many people have a negative knee-jerk reaction to everything. Then those people dig in because they don't want to be wrong.
Not any Scoopers that I can think of, but "many people."
Quote from: Floorslapper on January 03, 2019, 10:12:28 AM
Agree with bolded.
Sure...but not quite fair comparison with Mullin now in Year 4. However, every year they've improved in Pomeroy from 211, to 99, to 74 last year, to 40 now (all of which are worse than MU under Wojo
Ewing in Year 2. Too early to really measure him against Wojo
There was just some sentiment here that ridiculed Mullin and Ewing as head coaches, and to me that seems a little out of place as our coach hasn't exactly blazed an incredible start to his career.
Takes 5-years to judge, right?
Bolded is absolutely correct. My fear with Ewing is that there were quite a few rumors about him only taking the Gtown job because he couldn't get a HC job in the NBA, and that if one were offered to him, he would immediately jump ship. Now rumors are often not true, and he might really be enjoying his time at Gtown and want to stay, I just think that the allure of the NBA might be too much for him to turn down, which would mean Gtown would start over again.
Back to the original topic, has anyone heard why Howie Long requested a closed door meeting with the team in the first place?
Quote from: Sultan of South Wayne on January 03, 2019, 09:36:12 AM
I think former NBA players and coaches just have a different vibe. It drives me nuts to see college coaches micro-managing everything and screaming incessantly on the sidelines. Mullin and Ewing both seem to choose their words carefully letting the players figure it out. A lot of other successful college coaches have as well.
The current head basketball coach at Georgia completes agrees with this.
Quote from: MU82 on January 03, 2019, 10:24:00 AM
Many people have a negative knee-jerk reaction to everything. Then those people dig in because they don't want to be wrong.
Not any Scoopers that I can think of, but "many people."
Yep. And then you have the rainbows and unicorns crowd that preaches patience and along the way grasps at straws to rationalize mediocrity.
And then you have those who knee jerk to positivity, like I did around Buzz within his first 10 games as head coach at MU. As you know, I did just the opposite around Wojo and kneejerked to negativity.
So. Each case is unique with a coach. Just funny that those who have been so supportive of Wojo ridiculed Mullin as a coach.
The ridicule of Mullin is hilarous and quite ignorant since we are tossing the word around. Brewcitys calculations and observations have SJU as a poorly coached bad team. Well they are 13-1 and just whipped MU by 20. In their 1 loss they led at Seton hall by 10 with minutes left and had the ball in their hands with 3 seconds left and the lead when the ref blew the whistle n chose to take it away and give it to SH.
Mullin recruits and is the leader n motivator. Gary St. Jean spent his career in the NBA and is the Xs n Os guy who will call a play after discussing with Mullin or draw one up. Is working for them.
Seems we once had a coach that said he was the leader n his asst was the xs n os guy. Not sure there is a specific firmula beyond adding up the Ws
Quote from: Floorslapper on January 03, 2019, 11:37:16 AM
Yep. And then you have the rainbows and unicorns crowd that preaches patience and along the way grasps at straws to rationalize mediocrity.
And then you have those who knee jerk to positivity, like I did around Buzz within his first 10 games as head coach at MU. As you know, I did just the opposite around Wojo and kneejerked to negativity.
So. Each case is unique with a coach. Just funny that those who have been so supportive of Wojo ridiculed Mullin as a coach.
Evidence for this statement?
Quote from: Floorslapper on January 03, 2019, 11:37:16 AM
Yep. And then you have the rainbows and unicorns crowd that preaches patience and along the way grasps at straws to rationalize mediocrity.
And then you have those who knee jerk to positivity, like I did around Buzz within his first 10 games as head coach at MU. As you know, I did just the opposite around Wojo and kneejerked to negativity.
So. Each case is unique with a coach. Just funny that those who have been so supportive of Wojo ridiculed Mullin as a coach.
Most of those who ridiculed Mullin immediately -- whether Wojo supporters or not -- were as ignorant as the Johnnies fan whom another post makes fun of.
Now, it is Mullin's fourth season. And unlike Wojo, his first three seasons produced zero winning records, zero NCAA tourney appearances, etc. So I certainly can see why, heading into his fourth season, any basketball observer might say it was put-up-or-shut-up time for Mullin. He appears to be putting up and I'm glad for him.
Same is true of Ewing. A lot of people simply said, "He's Patrick Ewing. What could he possibly know about coaching? Georgetown is doomed." Which, of course, is silliness.
The same, of course, was true of Wojo. Many here who went all-in on Shaka and then reacted to his rejection of Marquette by saying we absolutely had to get a "proven" head coach were against Wojo before he ever coached a single practice.
Some of these supposed MU fans kept rooting against him so they could be "right." Every time we'd miss on a recruit, they'd cackle and say, "I thought Wojo always gets his man." Stuff like that.
Oh, some prefaced their remarks with, "I hope I'm wrong, but ... " Sure. Being able to say, "I told you so" is a powerful drug on the interwebs. In the unlikely case that Wojo doesn't make it at Marquette, those folks will be thrilled to remind us how smart they were.
And yes, Ners, each case is unique with a coach.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 03, 2019, 12:02:56 PM
The ridicule of Mullin is hilarous and quite ignorant since we are tossing the word around. Brewcitys calculations and observations have SJU as a poorly coached bad team. Well they are 13-1 and just whipped MU by 20. In their 1 loss they led at Seton hall by 10 with minutes left and had the ball in their hands with 3 seconds left and the lead when the ref blew the whistle n chose to take it away and give it to SH.
Mullin recruits and is the leader n motivator. Gary St. Jean spent his career in the NBA and is the Xs n Os guy who will call a play after discussing with Mullin or draw one up. Is working for them.
Seems we once had a coach that said he was the leader n his asst was the xs n os guy. Not sure there is a specific firmula beyond adding up the Ws
You really like to obsess over my posts. Not sure if I should consider you a fan or stalker ::) ;D
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 03, 2019, 12:17:14 PM
You really like to obsess over my posts. Not sure if I should consider you a fan or stalker ::) ;D
Perhaps he's a combination: meet the falker
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 03, 2019, 12:07:26 PM
Evidence for this statement?
Let me modify: *some of those.
As you know, you recall what users here post, and frequently cannot source/link, but you recall comments made. Mullin has been ridiculed as a coach by some here. As I recall, usually when contrasted against Wojo.
Sorry you still get so sensitive any time anyone posts anything that is remotely critical of Wojo. You'd have a whole lot more credibility (as would a few others), if you had any ability to ever be critical of Wojo. At least Sultan, Brew, and Tower have that ability. And, conversely I've had the ability to be complimentary of Wojo as well (albeit only a small percentage of the time.)
Or we could all stop telling each other how to be fans...
Quote from: MU82 on January 03, 2019, 12:16:02 PM
Most of those who ridiculed Mullin immediately -- whether Wojo supporters or not -- were as ignorant as the Johnnies fan whom another post makes fun of.
Now, it is Mullin's fourth season. And unlike Wojo, his first three seasons produced zero winning records, zero NCAA tourney appearances, etc. So I certainly can see why, heading into his fourth season, any basketball observer might say it was put-up-or-shut-up time for Mullin. He appears to be putting up and I'm glad for him.
Same is true of Ewing. A lot of people simply said, "He's Patrick Ewing. What could he possibly know about coaching? Georgetown is doomed." Which, of course, is silliness.
The same, of course, was true of Wojo. Many here who went all-in on Shaka and then reacted to his rejection of Marquette by saying we absolutely had to get a "proven" head coach were against Wojo before he ever coached a single practice.
Some of these supposed MU fans kept rooting against him so they could be "right." Every time we'd miss on a recruit, they'd cackle and say, "I thought Wojo always gets his man." Stuff like that.
Oh, some prefaced their remarks with, "I hope I'm wrong, but ... " Sure. Being able to say, "I told you so" is a powerful drug on the interwebs. In the unlikely case that Wojo doesn't make it at Marquette, those folks will be thrilled to remind us how smart they were.
And yes, Ners, each case is unique with a coach.
Sure. All of the above is within reason. I was more than happy to be open-minded about Wojo, and was optimistic. Yes, I wanted Shaka, but when Wojo was announced as head coach I had no problem with the hire.
I didn't turn on Wojo until he started Sandy Cohen over Burton, maxed Derrick Wilson's playing time, while Carlino and Duane Wilson were on the roster (guys Buzz couldn't use the year prior), and of course I felt he sh$t on Dawson. 4 minutes of PT and never another chance, burning the kids's eligibility/ability to redshirt. All of this leading us to a 4-14 Big East record and 13-19 record overall.
Look. Wojo has improved. But it is completely fair to call out the above. Missing the NIT in Year's 1 and 2 is no better, really, than Mullin. He made NCAA in Year 3 using a few of Buzz's players prominently. Missed NCAA in Year 4 with all his guys. Year 5 looking encouraging. Currently 35 in Pomeroy. (Not great, but, acceptable in my view.)
Quote from: Its DJOver on January 03, 2019, 10:26:55 AM
Bolded is absolutely correct. My fear with Ewing is that there were quite a few rumors about him only taking the Gtown job because he couldn't get a HC job in the NBA, and that if one were offered to him, he would immediately jump ship. Now rumors are often not true, and he might really be enjoying his time at Gtown and want to stay, I just think that the allure of the NBA might be too much for him to turn down, which would mean Gtown would start over again.
I think it is still a good deal for Georgetown no matter what happens down the road. Georgetown needed to transition away from the Thompson for a number of reasons. However, they still needed to retain that close tie to their legacy and they got that with Ewing. My instinct is that Ewing will stay long enough to restore their program to being a strong competitor in the Big East and making the tournament consistently. When he gets to that point in the road, he will have lots of options.
Quote from: Floorslapper on January 03, 2019, 12:33:56 PM
I didn't turn on Wojo until he started Sandy Cohen over Burton, maxed Derrick Wilson's playing time, while Carlino and Duane Wilson were on the roster (guys Buzz couldn't use the year prior), and of course I felt he sh$t on Dawson. 4 minutes of PT and never another chance, burning the kids's eligibility/ability to redshirt. All of this leading us to a 4-14 Big East record and 13-19 record overall.
I think its time for everyone to move on.
Quote from: MU82 on January 03, 2019, 12:16:02 PM
Some of these supposed MU fans kept rooting against him so they could be "right." Every time we'd miss on a recruit, they'd cackle and say, "I thought Wojo always gets his man." Stuff like that.
Oh, some prefaced their remarks with, "I hope I'm wrong, but ... " Sure. Being able to say, "I told you so" is a powerful drug on the interwebs. In the unlikely case that Wojo doesn't make it at Marquette, those folks will be thrilled to remind us how smart they were.
I don't think there's a single person who spend time on Scoop that has ever rooted against Marquette. Gloating when you feel validated is far different than rooting for failure.
I've been a very vocal critic of Wojo prior to this season, but I would much rather see the program succeed than be able to say "I told you so" to a bunch of strangers on the internet. What do I gain even from that? Trying to paint people who disagree with your opinion on Wojo as so selfish that they would root against their alma mater or favorite team is really stretching. (not specific to any single poster, it's been said a number of times)
Can we just do away with this narrative already? Reasonable people disagree. It happens. We all want Marquette to win, but we have different views on how that can happen.
Was the closed door meeting a Scoop therapy session?
Quote from: barfolomew on January 03, 2019, 12:22:43 PM
Perhaps he's a combination: meet the falker
I remember the movie.
Quote from: Floorslapper on January 03, 2019, 12:33:56 PM
Sure. All of the above is within reason. I was more than happy to be open-minded about Wojo, and was optimistic. Yes, I wanted Shaka, but when Wojo was announced as head coach I had no problem with the hire.
I didn't turn on Wojo until he started Sandy Cohen over Burton, maxed Derrick Wilson's playing time, while Carlino and Duane Wilson were on the roster (guys Buzz couldn't use the year prior), and of course I felt he sh$t on Dawson. 4 minutes of PT and never another chance, burning the kids's eligibility/ability to redshirt. All of this leading us to a 4-14 Big East record and 13-19 record overall.
Look. Wojo has improved. But it is completely fair to call out the above. Missing the NIT in Year's 1 and 2 is no better, really, than Mullin. He made NCAA in Year 3 using a few of Buzz's players prominently. Missed NCAA in Year 4 with all his guys. Year 5 looking encouraging. Currently 35 in Pomeroy. (Not great, but, acceptable in my view.)
The fact that you still occasionally bring up your problems with Wojo's strategies as a first-year head coach -- which in sports is an eon ago -- says more about you than him, Ners.
I also strongly disagree that successfully recruiting one of the best players in the country, winning 20 games, winning the Barclay's event and renewing excitement in the program in Year 2 was "no better, really, than Mullin" going 14-19 in his second year.
The fact that Wojo followed up with an NCAA tourney season that included a victory over the No. 1 team in the nation while Mullin's third season ALSO had a losing record ... that's not only you looking for negatives to state your weak case but is very disingenuous.
If Wojo had gone 30-60 in his first three seasons, with not a single winning record, zero NCAA appearances and a 12-42 BEast record, you would have been calling for him to be fired. And I probably would have joined you.
Mullin's accomplishments in his first three years were not even close to Wojo's. Not even close. To argue otherwise is just you arguing for the sake of arguing so you can again bring up how Wojo "sh1t on" a low-D1 player who averaged 8 points as a senior at Liberty.
Frankly, it's why you have trouble getting respect here sometimes.
But I'm glad you've kind of come around on Wojo.
Nothing is more important than being respected on muscoop.com
Quote from: skianth16 on January 03, 2019, 12:54:49 PM
I don't think there's a single person who spend time on Scoop that has ever rooted against Marquette. Gloating when you feel validated is far different than rooting for failure.
Obviously, neither of us can know if there's never been a person here rooting against MU so they can say "I told you so" about Wojo.
But I will take your word that you have never done so, and it's reasonable for you to say that few (if any) actually have done so. I allow that it might have been hyperbole getting the best of me.
I hope you will stay open-minded as to Wojo's ability to lead our lads back to excellence, and that you will resist the temptation to gloat every time the team hits a bump in the road.
Go Marquette!
Quote from: MU82 on January 03, 2019, 01:15:01 PM
I hope you will stay open-minded as to Wojo's ability to lead our lads back to excellence, and that you will resist the temptation to gloat every time the team hits a bump in the road.
Go Marquette!
Personally, I've turned the corner this year. The biggest thing to get me on board with Wojo has been the improvement in defense. He's done a nice job of developing Theo from a raw, physical talent into a smarter, more controlled player, and he's always been a strong recruiter. On top of all that, the players sure seem to love having him as a coach. The interactions I've seen with him on the sideline this year with Sam, Joey, Markus, and others show this time and time again.
I think Wojo is rounding out into a more complete head coach, where before I thought he was better suited as an assistant whose forte was recruiting. I still think he's a bit robotic and lacks some personality, but that's a minor quibble that doesn't come close to clouding the success he's having on the court.
Quote from: skianth16 on January 03, 2019, 01:25:33 PM
I think Wojo is rounding out into a more complete head coach, where before I thought he was better suited as an assistant whose forte was recruiting. I still think he's a bit robotic and lacks some personality, but that's a minor quibble that doesn't come close to clouding the success he's having on the court.
Buzz certainly raised the bar on our expectations when it comes to personality.
Quote from: skianth16 on January 03, 2019, 12:54:49 PM
I don't think there's a single person who spend time on Scoop that has ever rooted against Marquette. Gloating when you feel validated is far different than rooting for failure.
I've been a very vocal critic of Wojo prior to this season, but I would much rather see the program succeed than be able to say "I told you so" to a bunch of strangers on the internet. What do I gain even from that? Trying to paint people who disagree with your opinion on Wojo as so selfish that they would root against their alma mater or favorite team is really stretching. (not specific to any single poster, it's been said a number of times)
Can we just do away with this narrative already? Reasonable people disagree. It happens. We all want Marquette to win, but we have different views on how that can happen.
That is the million $ question. Proving your point over and over and over to strangers on the internet is an obsession for some on here, and an addiction for others.
Quote from: skianth16 on January 03, 2019, 01:25:33 PM
Personally, I've turned the corner this year. The biggest thing to get me on board with Wojo has been the improvement in defense. He's done a nice job of developing Theo from a raw, physical talent into a smarter, more controlled player, and he's always been a strong recruiter. On top of all that, the players sure seem to love having him as a coach. The interactions I've seen with him on the sideline this year with Sam, Joey, Markus, and others show this time and time again.
I think Wojo is rounding out into a more complete head coach, where before I thought he was better suited as an assistant whose forte was recruiting. I still think he's a bit robotic and lacks some personality, but that's a minor quibble that doesn't come close to clouding the success he's having on the court.
Welcome aboard!
Quote from: Floorslapper on January 03, 2019, 12:25:43 PM
Let me modify: *some of those.
As you know, you recall what users here post, and frequently cannot source/link, but you recall comments made. Mullin has been ridiculed as a coach by some here. As I recall, usually when contrasted against Wojo.
Sorry you still get so sensitive any time anyone posts anything that is remotely critical of Wojo. You'd have a whole lot more credibility (as would a few others), if you had any ability to ever be critical of Wojo. At least Sultan, Brew, and Tower have that ability. And, conversely I've had the ability to be complimentary of Wojo as well (albeit only a small percentage of the time.)
1. Wrong. I simply asked for evidence of the statement you claimed. That statement was regarding posting history of people here. Nothing to do with wojo criticism.
2. I have been critical. Especially in game threads. So your statement "if you had any ability to ever be critical of wojo" is patently false. Both in the case that I have that ability and in the sense that I've done it.
Quote from: Sultan of South Wayne on January 02, 2019, 10:43:42 AM
You should probably stick to nonsensical attempts at being funny.
4ever actually provides genuine insight. The fact he packages it in an idiomatic vernacular adds to his wry messaging.
Of course, you are so delusionally self-important you miss both content and context.
Rock on, Doc. Causing confusion and consternation among the dim wits and real-life underachievers is splendid stuff!
thebabyDavid
4ever has forgot more basketball than Sultan has ever known. His commitment to MU and history with the program is second to none. Sadly, the real life underachievers on here are the loudest voices. Find it comical that same list of dimwits get threads locked on a regular basis. Sultan proves to be a tool on a regular basis.
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How do people know so much about each other's real lives on here?
Quote from: theBabyDavid on January 04, 2019, 07:34:21 PM
4ever actually provides genuine insight. The fact he packages it in an idiomatic vernacular adds to his wry messaging.
Of course, you are so delusionally self-important you miss both content and context.
Rock on, Doc. Causing confusion and consternation among the dim wits and real-life underachievers is splendid stuff!
How dare you dis the man behind the curtain
Eye don't kiss know wrings, hey?
Quote from: theBabyDavid on January 04, 2019, 07:34:21 PM
4ever actually provides genuine insight. The fact he packages it in an idiomatic vernacular adds to his wry messaging.
Of course, you are so delusionally self-important you miss both content and context.
Rock on, Doc. Causing confusion and consternation among the dim wits and real-life underachievers is splendid stuff!
This might be the most unintentionally ironic post ever crafted on this here forum.
Quote from: Goose on January 04, 2019, 07:44:37 PM
thebabyDavid
4ever has forgot more basketball than Sultan has ever known. His commitment to MU and history with the program is second to none. Sadly, the real life underachievers on here are the loudest voices. Find it comical that same list of dimwits get threads locked on a regular basis. Sultan proves to be a tool on a regular basis.
This one is pretty close though.
Time for some popcorn......
In before the lock (this is soooooo easy)
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Spaniel
Nothing begins from my end. The way I look at, Sully will probably get banned again sometime in near future.
Quote from: Goose on January 04, 2019, 07:44:37 PM
thebabyDavid
4ever has forgot more basketball than Sultan has ever known. His commitment to MU and history with the program is second to none. Sadly, the real life underachievers on here are the loudest voices. Find it comical that same list of dimwits get threads locked on a regular basis. Sultan proves to be a tool on a regular basis.
The "forgot more about X than someone else has ever known" is always amusing. It's not a compliment, it just indicates the person has a poor memory, and if they've forgotten more than even someone with remedial interest, they probably aren't very knowledgeable.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 04, 2019, 07:49:02 PM
How do people know so much about each other's real lives on here?
I've been asking for your ssn and your credit card info for a while, TAMU. Just give into the spirit of Scoop sharing personal info already.
To the Pontiff and others, bring it, I'm ready.
4ever
The Pontiff is probably posting on 15 different threads at the moment, sharing his knowledge on all topics. Give him sometime until he educates us from how to make a great steak at home, economics, golf, on of course, all things basketball related.
Always awesome when folks who haven't done chit in their life rip on others just to feel better about themselves.
Quote from: Goose on January 05, 2019, 09:40:51 AM
Spaniel
Nothing begins from my end. The way I look at, Sully will probably get banned again sometime in near future.
Been banned here for one week. About five years ago.
Interesting that I'm the one you think will get banned but you're the one who started throwing around the "nitwit" phrase.
Anyway I'm out of this thread.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 05, 2019, 10:14:34 AM
Always awesome when folks who haven't done chit in their life rip on others just to feel better about themselves.
I agree with this analysis.
Rock chalk Green Knights, aina?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 05, 2019, 10:14:34 AM
Always awesome when folks who haven't done chit in their life rip on others just to feel better about themselves.
Pompous ass comment.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 05, 2019, 10:14:34 AM
Always awesome when folks who haven't done chit in their life rip on others just to feel better about themselves.
To be clear... you don't know sultan correct? So are you and Goose making claims without evidence just because you don't like him? Because that seems childish of you two.
I know the Sultan of DePaul as much as I care to.
Ohhhhhhhhhhh lord......it's hard to be humble, when your perrrrfect in evereeeee wayyyyy, can't wait to look in the mirror, cuz I get smarter every day.....
Quote from: rocket surgeon on January 05, 2019, 06:08:30 PM
Ohhhhhhhhhhh lord......it's hard to be humble, when your perrrrfect in evereeeee wayyyyy, can't wait to look in the mirror, cuz I get smarter every day.....
Good on you Rocket. I can't wait til tomorrow.....cuz I get better looking every day.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 05, 2019, 01:36:49 PM
I know the Sultan of DePere as much as I care to.
Don't know anything about either of you dudes except I know one of you posts with a bit of wit and intelligence and provides some information, and the other one posts gibberish that ceased being funny a long long time ago.
That aside, congratulations on your wonderful exciting life.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on January 05, 2019, 06:08:30 PM
Ohhhhhhhhhhh lord......it's hard to be humble, when your perrrrfect in evereeeee wayyyyy, can't wait to look in the mirror, cuz I get smarter every day.....
I know that song! Second verse from keefe's "Ode to Myself".
Quote from: TSmith34 on January 06, 2019, 02:21:59 PM
I know that song! Second verse from keefe's "Ode to Myself".
Second verse same as the first, that I copied from someone else...