Warriors over the Redmen. Always.
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Crank up the Big East season. Climbing our way to the top.
Theo for a big game tonight and SOTG.
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Happy New Year.
Warriors in a walk, and Sam with a studworthy game.
Len Elmore. Oooooffff.
Doesn't this game usually happen at msg?
Joey is already really good but he's gonna be really ******* good
Quote from: #UnleashMatt on January 01, 2019, 06:01:50 PM
Doesn't this game usually happen at msg?
They only play a few games there a season.
Ponds already starting to go off
Quote from: #UnleashMatt on January 01, 2019, 06:01:50 PM
Doesn't this game usually happen at msg?
I think it is tougher to beat St. Johns at Carneseca and they knew this would be a big game.
Ponds in video game mode
Early calls heavily in St. Johns favor.
Sacar is so soft both on defense and trying to finish on the other end of the court. Classic for the and one o-lay
Big 3 from JC. Ponds...yikes
We're getting Markus'd
Nice shot Chartouny, he is at least capable from outside
Fouls becoming a concern quick
Joe, Jamal, Ed, wtf
Right now refs are letting St Johns bang away down low on D
That's some bad shooting
These shots.. yikes
Quote from: Norm on January 01, 2019, 06:18:33 PM
Right now refs are letting St Johns bang away down low on D
And reach/hack with impunity.
Need more guard dribble penetration to hoop drawing fouls, finish or dish. Playing nervous and rushed for 10 minutes.
Playing pretty bad right now but getting some good looks.
Hopefully leads to a run
Playing super tight right now. Need to relax and slow the pace, find the shot.
Marquette should be fine. They need to slow down and make shots. Depth will wear them down.
Quote from: Norm on January 01, 2019, 06:18:33 PM
Right now refs are letting St Johns bang away down low on D
If MU wasn't shooting air balls it wouldn't matter.
MU had its chances to keep it close, but offense looks just terrible, almost like the Kansas 22 to 0 run.
Long way to go, but ugly. Can't blame refs.
We seem flat. I hope they relax and start getting aggressive. Everything is tentative.
Quote from: forgetful on January 01, 2019, 06:20:22 PM
And reach/hack with impunity.
Not seeing it, looks like decent reffing to me
Need to stop passing up wide open 3s for contested shots
Cain is bizarrely bad. I don't get it. Seems to have regressed this year
That was a nice behind the back to get the open trey by Markus
We got this
Quote from: shoothoops on January 01, 2019, 06:21:13 PM
Need more guard dribble penetration to hoop drawing fouls, finish or dish. Playing nervous and rushed for 10 minutes.
Nice set play for joey off of time out, then a Markus drive and foul draw. Anim with a strong drive and put back. Need this strong dribble drive from perimeter if St. John's wants to continue to extend their and and overplay.
The last 2 minutes looked very good
The ball pressure and length of St. John's seems to give us trouble. Looks like we are steadying the ship right now.
Ok, that was a crap call on Sacar
Len Elmore is terrible.
If we stop rushing our shots in the paint we should be fine.
Gonna need Sam to get going eventually as well
Play more through Joey.
Joey has points but could be better.
Hope ponds stays inconsistent
Theo gotta be better down low
So many rushed shots by us
And rushed passes by them.
Markus needs to slow down
You've got to be kidding me with all these missed bunnies
Bad Howard... Very bad Howard.
Joey the only reliable offense right now
Sam with a bucket finally
Ugly but entertaining game so far!
Clark just shuffled and took 4-5 steps but instead got the foul call
Theo and Morrow have been not so good down low against the shorter players. Need them. Joey great low.
Oh boy, Markus, wtf.........oh boy.
Turnover city game. SJU have 11 already? Keep it close at half and hope Markus goes Buffalo game nuclear.
Quote from: #UnleashMatt on January 01, 2019, 06:39:55 PM
Bad Howard... Very bad Howard.
He's getting bumped and is hoping for foul calls. Refs aren't calling em tonight. Gotta adjust.
StJ always plays like they are on speed. Unfortunately MU seems to get caught up in that and plays with the same crazy fast inconsistency.
Quote from: TSmith34 on January 01, 2019, 06:24:28 PM
Not seeing it, looks like decent reffing to me
Really? Our guys are getting mugged down low, and we are getting ticky tack fouls.
Quote from: Otule's Glass Eye on January 01, 2019, 06:42:34 PM
Clark just shuffled and took 4-5 steps but instead got the foul call
100%. Also though SJ touched a ball on the rim on that sequence where Markus shot 13 times
Quote from: #UnleashMatt on January 01, 2019, 06:39:55 PM
Bad Howard... Very bad Howard.
Right now, Howard is taking a giant dump on the floor.
Who will settle down first. STJ and TOs or MU and rushed/bad shots
I hate St. John's. They are nuts. So undisciplined. Yet so much talent. There are moments I think we will crush them and moments where they look like an NBA team. I think I might end up having a heart attack watching this.
Nice awareness by Joe
There is no defense for SJU's last 6 points
Cain is super lucky that bunny went in. Way tooo slow w that rhythm dribble in the paint.
HOW IS THAT NOT A FOUL
What is it about playing MU that Ponds just has to do this lol he had 8 freakin points vs Seton Hall
Ponds always eats against us
We gotta be a lot better in second half
Just take his knees out. Problem solved.
Ponds getting the lucky shooting out of his system hopefully. Howard better show up in the second half otherwise...
Last time Markus played this bad in the first half, he had 40 in the 2nd half...
Need to finish inside and give Markus room to get open outside in the second half.
And we gotta slow Ponds down...
Ish this game is hard to watch. Lets not hope the road is an issue for us this season. Things were just getting fun!!!!
Howard, Theo and Sam need to have a 2nd half. Joey keeping them in the game. Poise and depth will win this....
Go to a box & one defense.
28-27 with three to go. Markus goes to bench with two fouls. 11 to 4 SJU run, ugh......
I realize Howard was struggling but the lead went from 1 to 8 for St. John's in final 3 minutes with him sitting. Anim couldn't guard Ponds early and Cain couldn't guard him late. Gotta make someone else beat ya. 7 combined points from Sam Hauser and Markus Howard. That will improve.
Need to be stronger on the ball and dribble drive drawing fouls and/or laying off or kickours.
Poor finish to an otherwise even half. Need to i prove starting and finishing halves,
Lots of ball left, lots of opportunity.
Quote from: shoothoops on January 01, 2019, 06:53:49 PM
I realize Howard was struggling but the lead went from 1 to 8 for St. John's in final 3 minutes with him sitting. Anim couldn't guard Ponds early and Cain couldn't guard him late. Gotta make someone else beat ya. 7 combined points from Sam Hauser and Markus Howard. That will improve.
Need to be stronger on the ball and dribble drive drawing fouls and/or laying off or kickours.
Poor finish to an otherwise even half. Need to i prove starting and finishing halves,
Lots of ball left, lots of opportunity.
I'm not sure that was Cain's fault. Ponds was pulling up from six feet behind the arc after taking the ball down court
Quote from: shoothoops on January 01, 2019, 06:53:49 PM
I realize Howard was struggling but the lead went from 1 to 8 for St. John's in final 3 minutes with him sitting. Anim couldn't guard Ponds early and Cain couldn't guard him late. Gotta make someone else beat ya. 7 combined points from Sam Hauser and Markus Howard. That will improve.
Need to be stronger on the ball and dribble drive drawing fouls and/or laying off or kickours.
Poor finish to an otherwise even half. Need to i prove starting and finishing halves,
Lots of ball left, lots of opportunity.
Yep even when he is missing his presence opens up alot for us offensively.
I don't see a comeback in the cards tonight. I think SJU is the worst in conference matchup for MU.
Quote from: ZaLiN on January 01, 2019, 06:55:58 PM
I'm not sure that was Cain's fault. Ponds was pulling up from six feet behind the arc after taking the ball down court
Yeah, I wouldn't put Ponds last 8 points on Cain.
I must've missed the last line of the Big East apology letter that said "Don't worry, we'll make it up to you on Tuesday." JFC, St John's is able to defend with unlimited physicality in the paint.
It would be hard for MU to shoot worse than they did in the first half. Like their chances in the second half. It'll be close though.
Quote from: MUeagle1090 on January 01, 2019, 06:56:45 PM
I don't see a comeback in the cards tonight. I think SJU is the worst in conference matchup for MU.
I'm gonna take a screen shot of that and hopefully laugh at you later. If you are right, we will never speak of it again. My guess is you'd be okay with that.
Quote from: AirPunch on January 01, 2019, 06:57:33 PM
It would be hard for MU to shoot worse than they did in the first half. Like their chances in the second half. It'll be close though.
Agreed. We had a lot of decent looks that just didn't fall. That plus Ponds hitting undefendable shots is not a recipe for success. 20 minutes to turn it around.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 01, 2019, 06:56:55 PM
I must've missed the last line of the Big East apology letter that said "Don't worry, we'll make it up to you on Tuesday." JFC, St John's is able to defend with unlimited physicality in the paint.
It really has been unreal. Joey and Sacar got hammered a few times. Thought Markus got fouled as well but he was off balance so I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt there
Quote from: MUEng92 on January 01, 2019, 06:58:59 PM
I'm gonna take a screen shot of that and hopefully laugh at you later. If you are right, we will never speak of it again. My guess is you'd be okay with that.
Would be thrilled!
Quote from: Its DJOver on January 01, 2019, 07:00:12 PM
Agreed. We had a lot of decent looks that just didn't fall. That plus Ponds hitting undefendable shots is not a recipe for success. 20 minutes to turn it around.
Yep. We got this.
Quote from: MUEng92 on January 01, 2019, 06:51:40 PM
Last time Markus played this bad in the first half, he had 40 in the 2nd half...
Dont think that lighting will strike again tonight. Would settle for 20.
MU shooting 30%. Markus is 1 for 10
SJU shooting 56%. Makes up for their 9 turnovers
Quote from: ZaLiN on January 01, 2019, 06:55:58 PM
I'm not sure that was Cain's fault. Ponds was pulling up from six feet behind the arc after taking the ball down court
Fair enough but easiest 3 to make is walking into one at top of key. Stepping out, force mid range tougher shot, forcing right, etc...make him give up the ball.
That's a really soft call on Theo
Come on - the teams are getting called totally differently by the refs. St Johns can bang away and Mu getting called for ticky tack crap.
Quote from: Norm on January 01, 2019, 07:11:33 PM
Come on - the teams are getting called totally differently by the refs. St Johns can bang away and Mu getting called for ticky tack crap.
This is turning into a ref show
I rescind my earlier opinion about the reffing.
Its refreshing to see some good old fashioned homer refereeing
Calls are all against MU tonight. Refs really quick to blow the whistle and point the other way.
Bad timing to play St John's - they are fired up after the close lose to Seton Hall and the refs are making up for the bad call that cost them that game.
Painful game to watch. Everybody looking around. Sju with excellent movement.
Really hoping we arent undefeated at home and winless on the road tonight
Very one sided officiating. We're gonna need to grind this one out
Difference in calls between each end of the court is unbelievable.
It looked like Jeff Anderson reffing in the video
Quote from: Norm on January 01, 2019, 07:11:33 PM
Come on - the teams are getting called totally differently by the refs. St Johns can bang away and Mu getting called for ticky tack crap.
Exactly. Can't let one team slap, pound and force the other to play soft.
I was ok with the calls until that awful offensive foul on Theo. They don't even call it that soft in the ACC.
I can't believe how lethargic our offense looks, no movement
Bailey is really not a good shooter.
Quote from: MattyWarrior on January 01, 2019, 07:16:54 PM
I can't believe how lethargic our offense looks, no movement
Sam needs to start asserting himself
A couple appearances of last years defense is not optimal at this point
House of Horrors
Well at least with games like this we dont have to worry about howard going early anymore.
Back to reality and Hard!
Hopefully the 0-3 on the road is the worst that looks for the year
Not looking to be our night.
Time to get Joey back in
Thurl''s son? I had no idea.....
I guess I was wrong. The game is fixed.
Jeez, refs not losing this game for MU. Some bad calls, yes, but come on.
SJU shooting 50% from three and no adjustment on Clarke shooting WIDE open threes.
Put Joey back in.
Another ridiculous call on Sam lol. Wow
Refs didn't cost us the game by wow game seems fixed. Every slight bump is a foul
That was a BS call on Sam.
This is the most unevenly officiated game I can remember. This crew needs to be put down.
Glad to see Bailey benched and Joey back in game.
Ponds giving us a dose of what Markus has put on our opposition. Kid is hitting tough, contested shots.
A performance like this should knock a team out of the top 25.
It was fun while it lasted
If markus isnt on nba jam fire level we are a garbage team
Why dont we play a zone vs sju? We're not nearly as athletic and all they seem to do is chuck 3s. Just wondering...
Shoulda been 2 and 1's for Sacar and Joey
Wojos lost
Quote from: Johnny B on January 01, 2019, 07:22:07 PM
Refs didn't cost us the game by wow game seems fixed. Every slight bump is a foul
The big east does employ Stu Jackson, so not as far fetched as you may think
Every single offensive possession they are reaching and grabbing. EVERY SINGLE TIME. And nothing, no calls. Easy to win when you are allowed to do that. While everything ticky tack is being called against us.
Quote from: 46-47warriorcaptain on January 01, 2019, 07:19:10 PM
Well at least with games like this we dont have to worry about howard going early anymore.
Back to reality and Hard!
Hopefully the 0-3 on the road is the worst that looks for the year
0-3? Don't be a liar. It's 0-2 on the road 1-1 neutral.
Quote from: MUeng on January 01, 2019, 07:25:01 PM
Why dont we play a zone vs sju? We're not nearly as athletic and all they seem to do is chuck 3s. Just wondering...
We could try it, but the way to beat a zone is good three point shooting so against a team that's hot from outside...it goes against conventional wisdom. It might be good just because of the foul trouble
Quote from: nyg on January 01, 2019, 07:20:26 PM
Jeez, refs not losing this game for MU. Some bad calls, yes, but come on.
SJU shooting 50% from three and no adjustment on Clarke shooting WIDE open threes.
Put Joey back in.
The refs aren't the sole reason, but when you can't attack the paint without expecting hard contact that won't be called and can't defend because any contact will be a foul, it limits your options.
Yes, SJU is getting open looks and taking advantage, and they've been the better team, but they've also been given a very healthy dose of striped assistance.
Wojo exposed once again as a coach that can't and won't adjust.
Without markus on all cyls its gonna be super rough. We are lucky the big east is lookin janky this year
Quote from: MUeng on January 01, 2019, 07:25:01 PM
Why dont we play a zone vs sju? We're not nearly as athletic and all they seem to do is chuck 3s. Just wondering...
Because a zone against a team that is making 3s at 55% probably isn't a good idea.
This was always a likely loss for us. Bounce back Sunday and we will be fine.
Quote from: 46-47warriorcaptain on January 01, 2019, 07:27:57 PM
Wojo exposed once again as a coach that can't and won't adjust.
Wrong.
Take your schtick elsewhere.
Wow that 4th on Joey! Wtf?!
How is that a double T??
Better T up Ponds, need the momentum swing. Theo didn't even say a word there
Quote from: NickelDimer on January 01, 2019, 07:31:49 PM
Wow that 4th on Joey! Wtf?!
That was a foul...this last one on Theo though....
Double tech? THATS BS THEO DIDNT EVEN DO OR SAY ANYTHING
Double t for sitting still and getting pushed? K.
That is horseshit.
That's a double??????? He had his hands up the entire time??!??!?!
Double T? How Wojo hasn't thrown a chair onto the court I have no idea.
Quote from: NickelDimer on January 01, 2019, 07:33:24 PM
How is that a double T??
That's what they do in college basketball. Anytime there is an altercation they T up both players instead of the one who actually deserves it
These officials suck.
Theo gets a T for his chest being in the way of Ponds' elbow?
So Ponds shoves Theo and gets free throws. K
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 01, 2019, 07:34:56 PM
That's what they do in college basketball. Anytime there is an altercation they T up both players instead of the one who actually deserves it
An altercation requires two participants. That was garbage.
Horrible. No way Theo should have gotten a T
Fine with a double tech, if they throw a flagrant at Ponds.
That drive would have been a travel on MU
Markus is fun to watch when he can't make a shot.
Quote from: MUeagle1090 on January 01, 2019, 07:28:04 PM
Because a zone against a team that is making 3s at 55% probably isn't a good idea.
This was always a likely loss for us. Bounce back Sunday and we will be fine.
gotcha. Yea, talk about throw it up and pray. My god they can't miss and the refs are doing us no favors
I don't mind paint touches for Theo but to run the offense through him? Come on
Ugly AF.
We have zero offense when markus is off. Sacar is a disgrace from the line.
Game is long over.
The honeymoon for the year is as well. Was a fun couple weeks
Quote from: 46-47warriorcaptain on January 01, 2019, 07:38:17 PM
Ugly AF.
We have zero offense when markus is off. Sacar is a disgrace from the line.
Game is long over.
The honeymoon for the year is as well. Was a fun couple weeks
You've been saving this up since Kansas?
If Theo did what ponds did he would have been ejected.
Fouls only getting called on the guys who can't hit the shots
Quote from: 46-47warriorcaptain on January 01, 2019, 07:38:17 PM
Ugly AF.
We have zero offense when markus is off. Sacar is a disgrace from the line.
Game is long over.
The honeymoon for the year is as well. Was a fun couple weeks
You're right. Go wrap a bag around your head. It's over
Game has been refereed just fine. Let's stop with the whining. St Johns is the exact type of team that gives us fits. Very athletic and physical.
Home team usually gets benefit of doubt on calls. Athletic teams cause slower teams to be more foul prone.
St Johns is a bad matchup for this MU team despite some ridiculing Chris Mullin as a head coach the last couple of seasons.
It's been a fairly pathetic performance but the difference in the game is the two Ponds hot streaks where he couldn't miss. It makes one appreciate how frustrating it would be to be the fan of an opposing team when Markus is making everything against them. Not much you can do about that.
Oh, and Cain really sucks.
Wow. What an absolutely horrendous effort. Very disappointing.
Quote from: 46-47warriorcaptain on January 01, 2019, 07:27:57 PM
Wojo exposed once again as a coach that can't and won't adjust.
Without markus on all cyls its gonna be super rough. We are lucky the big east is lookin janky this year
And he's back like clockwork.....totally silent for weeks.....but now back.
We have been weak on both ends. Missing our open shots, letting SJU get too many easy looks.
And now we're missing our FTs.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 01, 2019, 07:34:56 PM
That's what they do in college basketball. Anytime there is an altercation they T up both players instead of the one who actually deserves it
That's what Pat Driscoll does. I mean, his nickname is Double T.
Theo just brutal turnover
Markus blocked shot
Sacar two missed free throws
Morrow one free throw
Morrow misses frontend one/one
Markus a brick
That's your last six possessions, nothing to do with the refs. Not the night.
Forcing John, Morrow and Anim to make FTs is a winning strategy for any opponent.
Welp. This was a tough one. Refs definitely did us no favors for the first 30 minutes, but still played pretty awful.
Winning on the road in college basketball is hard.
Said it all week this is the worst matchup of the year for us. We'll be fine.
Quote from: Floorslapper on January 01, 2019, 07:40:07 PM
Game has been refereed just fine. Let's stop with the whining. St Johns is the exact type of team that gives us fits. Very athletic and physical.
Home team usually gets benefit of doubt on calls. Athletic teams cause slower teams to be more foul prone.
St Johns is a bad matchup for this MU team despite some ridiculing Chris Mullin as a head coach the last couple of seasons.
Bad matchup? MU always handles them fine at home
Quote from: We R Final Four on January 01, 2019, 07:42:36 PM
No.....it hasn't.
19-14 in fouls. St Johns more athletic and likely to force fouls and on homecourt. It's not been a poorly officiated game and we aren't losing because of it.
The double tech was probably legit b.s. but that's largely it.
Quote from: Floorslapper on January 01, 2019, 07:46:01 PM
19-14 in fouls. St Johns more athletic and likely to force fouls and on homecourt. It's not been a poorly officiated game and we aren't losing because of it.
The double tech was probably legit b.s. but that's largely it.
This would be correct if the same fouls were called both ways. Light whistle on their end.
The difference in athleticism is painful tonight. When we can shoot, we're able to overcome our athletic deficiencies, but when we're cold, games can get out of hand quickly.
Those back-to-back plays were incredibly inconsistently reffed. We got hammered, no call; they pick up a touch foul.
Bailey getting owned on defense and nobody helping
If this is a down year for the BEast, then we are really hurting.
Quote from: 46-47warriorcaptain on January 01, 2019, 07:49:07 PM
Bailey getting owned on defense and nobody helping
Why is Bailey in the game?
Quote from: Floorslapper on January 01, 2019, 07:46:01 PM
19-14 in fouls. St Johns more athletic and likely to force fouls and on homecourt. It's not been a poorly officiated game and we aren't losing because of it.
The double tech was probably legit b.s. but that's largely it.
I think most objective observers would say that the officiating has favored St. John's. That's okay, very few games are truly neutral in terms of officiating. But yes, it's not the reason we are losing. It is a reason. Probably the 4th or 5th most important reason.
Bailey getting absolutely embarrassed
This game is hilarious.
Quote from: muguru on January 01, 2019, 07:45:07 PM
Bad matchup? MU always handles them fine at home
You mean some teams do better at home than on the road against certain opponents? That's incredible
BB has been especially brutal on defense tonight. He's giving up a ton of easy baskets at the rim.
Quote from: Floorslapper on January 01, 2019, 07:46:01 PM
19-14 in fouls. St Johns more athletic and likely to force fouls and on homecourt. It's not been a poorly officiated game and we aren't losing because of it.
The double tech was probably legit b.s. but that's largely it.
The first 25-30 mins of this game was horribly one sided officiating. It's evened out since then, but the damage was already more than done.
MU also did nothing to counteract the ref show, and that's definitely on them.
Quote from: MUeagle1090 on January 01, 2019, 07:44:23 PM
Said it all week this is the worst matchup of the year for us. We'll be fine.
I agree. St Johns is a bad matchup for MU. As bad as we will likely face in Big East. We will be okay/make tourney most likely. But. Don't think we will stand much of a chance to get past Round of 32.
Quote from: TSmith34 on January 01, 2019, 07:47:04 PM
Those back-to-back plays were incredibly inconsistently reffed. We got hammered, no call; they pick up a touch foul.
Lol.
Defense has quit these last few series. Ball game.
Poorly officiated, but MU lost this one. All the refs did was widen the margin.
Learn and move on.
We got this!
Quote from: nyg on January 01, 2019, 07:43:36 PM
Theo just brutal turnover
Markus blocked shot
Sacar two missed free throws
Morrow one free throw
Morrow misses frontend one/one
Markus a brick
That's your last six possessions, nothing to do with the refs. Not the night.
"Nothing" mmmmmmmmmmmm ok. Lets break this down.
When a game is unevenly called early it signals to the players two separate rules. Marquette got called for ticky tack fouls causing them to become more passive on D to prevent foul trouble. This also makes offense easier for St. Johns as well as the Bonus coming sooner. St. Johns on the other hand were not being called for reaching and grabbing in the first half, making offense harder for Marquette and reaching the Bonus later.
This isn't the reason Marquette lost. There are plenty other reasons. but to say it had nothing to do with the outcome given what I laid out? Cmon.
Ponds just stepped out of bounds with about 3 minutes to play. And that was the first TO from SJU in the second half. That kind of defense is a much bigger reason for this loss than the officiating.
Howard is shooting 2 for 15 tonight and has 4 fouls, and multiple posters are complaining about Cain and Bailey. Go Figure.
We are.......the big stink.
Quote from: whitykj on January 01, 2019, 07:57:50 PM
"Nothing" mmmmmmmmmmmm ok. Lets break this down.
When a game is unevenly called early it signals to the players two separate rules. Marquette got called for ticky tack fouls causing them to become more passive on D to prevent foul trouble. This also makes offense easier for St. Johns as well as the Bonus coming sooner. St. Johns on the other hand were not being called for reaching and grabbing in the first half, making offense harder for Marquette and reaching the Bonus later.
This isn't the reason Marquette lost. There are plenty other reasons. but to say it had nothing to do with the outcome given what I laid out? Cmon.
Uh, read what I said. In those six possessions. Read first.
MU down 21 and SJU about to put up 90 on them. We're the refs responsible for 20 points? Then we only lose by one.
Cam made an appearance! #clubtrillion
Quote from: Norm on January 01, 2019, 07:58:25 PM
Howard is shooting 2 for 15 tonight and has 4 fouls, and multiple posters are complaining about Cain and Bailey. Go Figure.
Howard has been terrible today but while I don't want to speak for everyone complaining about Cain and Bailey, I'm willing to cut a guy who has won this team games singlehandedly some slack. Cain should have shown some improvement after his promising freshman year and he has been an unequivocal disaster. Bailey, meh. He may be good in the future, may not be. This team needs guys who can create offence that aren't Howard, Hauser and Hauser and Cain is a complete and total black hole who can hardly figure out how to move three steps without travelling.
This was a very predictable outcome.
Quote from: jonny09 on January 01, 2019, 08:04:09 PM
This was a very predictable outcome.
The loss..maybe but getting their doors blown off..no
Quote from: nyg on January 01, 2019, 08:01:02 PM
Uh, read what I said. In those six possessions. Read first.
MU down 21 and SJU about to put up 90 on them. We're the refs responsible for 20 points? Then we only lose by one.
20? At least. Yes, St John's played well, but the entire tone of the game was changed by the call disparity. When that double technical happened, we should've had 10 more FTs and an extra possession. Our defense was changed completely by our inability to play with the same physicality SJU was afforded. The refs changed how they called the game the last 5 minutes once the result was no longer in doubt, but it was an 18-10 disparity before they played catch-up for a clearly beaten MU team.
Quote from: nyg on January 01, 2019, 08:01:02 PM
Uh, read what I said. In those six possessions. Read first.
MU down 21 and SJU about to put up 90 on them. We're the refs responsible for 20 points? Then we only lose by one.
Not in those 6 possessions. Sorry I thought you were referring to the entire game.
And it's a fool errand to determine how many points what were responsible for what. All I am saying is because of the un-even refereeing standards each team had, made the game of basketball easier for St. Johns. +6 free throws for St. Johnd when we took 6 more shoots and St. Johns took 3 more 3s.