My god is the PAC 12 a dumpster fire this year. Has a P5 ever been a one bid league (since tournament expanded to 64)?
I feel like I need context.
And please, it's Big 6 when it comes to basketball.
Go Beavs! Who knew that their eventual win over Central Connecticut may end up being the league's best.
Quote from: MUDish on December 29, 2018, 07:48:47 PM
My god is the PAC 12 a dumpster fire this year. Has a P5 ever been a one bid league (since tournament expanded to 64)?
Just dug through the archives. I looked at the Big East, Big 10, Pac-10/12, Big 8/12, SEC, & ACC. Each of those leagues has had multiple bids every season since 1985 when the field expanded to 64. The Pac-10 had 2 bids in 2010 and the Pac-12 had 2 bids in 2012. There may have been other 2-bid seasons, once you dig back it's a lot of hunting and pecking through the bracket for teams and once I saw multiples, I moved on.
So when they are collectively the 6th of P6 do they become a mid major conference?
If KenPom decided at large bids, the P12 would be a 1 bid league as of today with #42 Oregon getting the auto bid.
#49 Arizona State, #52 Washington, and #55 Arizona would all be on the bubble but on the outside looking in.
There have 4 more teams in the top 100 but all closer to 100 then to 50. 4 sub 100 teams. Woof.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 29, 2018, 09:24:31 PM
If KenPom decided at large bids, the P12 would be a 1 bid league as of today with #42 Oregon getting the auto bid.
#49 Arizona State, #52 Washington, and #55 Arizona would all be on the bubble but on the outside looking in.
There have 4 more teams in the top 100 but all closer to 100 then to 50. 4 sub 100 teams. Woof.
Same goes for the NET. Arizona State came into the day at #31 but will plummet. Next up is Washington at #56, with Oregon all the way down at #93.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 29, 2018, 07:59:22 PM
I feel like I need context.
And please, it's Big 6 when it comes to basketball.
Seattle beats Cal
Princeton beats Arizona State
UCLA loses by 15 at home to Liberty
Quote from: TSmith34 on December 29, 2018, 09:27:17 PM
Seattle beats Cal
Princeton beats Arizona State
UCLA loses by 15 at home to Liberty
At this point, I'm not even sure Steve Alford survives the season.
I was very surprised when so many had UCLA as a top 25 team preseason. There was no evidence supporting that prediction, I think it was mostly "It's UCLA, It's UCLA"
In 2012, Washington won the regular season title, yet went to the NIT. Cal and Colorado made the NCAA's that year.
PAC 12 has assured itself the WORST DECEMBER BY A MAJOR CONFERENCE IN 20 YEARS.
https://es.pn/2VihjOL
So when people refer to the P5 conferences in a basketball context, maybe they're not dissing the BE after all.
This reminds me - has anyone else seen the ad where the American Conference proclaims itself a P-6 conference? I saw it while watching a Cincy game and wondered, who do they think they are ahead of? Although now I realize they could be referring to football.
Quote from: MomofMUltiples on December 30, 2018, 10:22:31 AM
This reminds me - has anyone else seen the ad where the American Conference proclaims itself a P-6 conference? I saw it while watching a Cincy game and wondered, who do they think they are ahead of? Although now I realize they could be referring to football.
I have, and I suspect we'll continue to see the add through conference play. Fake it till you make it, I guess.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 29, 2018, 09:30:41 PM
At this point, I'm not even sure Steve Alford survives the season.
UCLA rarely has done in season firings of coaches in any sport. Alford make be the exception here. Attendance is way down and losing at home to Liberty is likely the nail in the coffin.
Quote from: 79Warrior on December 30, 2018, 11:56:51 AM
UCLA rarely has done in season firings of coaches in any sport. Alford make be the exception here. Attendance is way down and losing at home to Liberty is likely the nail in the coffin.
Wojo to UCLA
Quote from: 79Warrior on December 30, 2018, 11:56:51 AM
UCLA rarely has done in season firings of coaches in any sport. Alford make be the exception here. Attendance is way down and losing at home to Liberty is likely the nail in the coffin.
Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on December 30, 2018, 12:48:12 PM
Wojo to UCLA
I don't know that you need to put this in teal. Assuming MU's performance doesn't fall apart in conference play, I suspect his name will come up as a possible candidate for multiple high-major openings next spring.
Wojo isn't going to UCLA regardless of MU's performance.
Oregon's struggled with youth (4 freshmen and 3 sophomores have started at least one game) and injuries (Bol Bol, Abu Kigab and Kenny Wooten have missed a combined 8 games so far). If they can get healthy, I could see them as a Top 25 level team by the end of the season.
The rest of the conference? ASU lost 3 starters from an 11-seed NCAA team. Now they're playing a freshman and 3 sophomores in the main rotation. UCLA has potential; all of their losses so far are to KenPom Top 100 teams. Zona looks similar. Washington is a very experienced team (4 seniors), with 2 of its 4 losses by just 2 points. USC lost 3 starters from an NIT team and is just 6-6 right now -- but 4 of those have come against KenPom Top 30 teams.
Could one of those teams pull things together during the conference schedule? We'll have to see. Right now, the Pac-12 is a shadow of the conference from just a few seasons ago.
Quote from: Sultan of South Wayne on December 30, 2018, 01:12:00 PM
Wojo isn't going to UCLA regardless of MU's performance.
This exactly. The UCLA job is a trainwreck. You have to make a Final Four in the first four years, play up-tempo, & fly coach. Come up short in either of the first two and you'll be fired. They'll have a tough time attracting any high major coach that isn't an alum.
Quote from: Marcus92 on December 30, 2018, 01:36:39 PM
Could one of those teams pull things together during the conference schedule? We'll have to see. Right now, the Pac-12 is a shadow of the conference from just a few seasons ago.
The problem is, put it together against who? other disappointing to crappy PAC teams? Not gonna help get the bids a whole lot, with out like 2 teams with 2-3 losses in conference play.
Quote from: MomofMUltiples on December 30, 2018, 10:22:31 AM
This reminds me - has anyone else seen the ad where the American Conference proclaims itself a P-6 conference? I saw it while watching a Cincy game and wondered, who do they think they are ahead of? Although now I realize they could be referring to football.
P5 or the AAC P6 movement is a football saying.
Quote from: The Equalizer on December 30, 2018, 01:00:34 PM
I don't know that you need to put this in teal. Assuming MU's performance doesn't fall apart in conference play, I suspect his name will come up as a possible candidate for multiple high-major openings next spring.
Marquette is a high major program. Not a blue blood as UCLA may be but I'm not worried. Wojo's resume is too thin for a blue blood program. I truly hope one day Duke is after him.
Quote from: MomofMUltiples on December 30, 2018, 10:22:31 AM
This reminds me - has anyone else seen the ad where the American Conference proclaims itself a P-6 conference? I saw it while watching a Cincy game and wondered, who do they think they are ahead of? Although now I realize they could be referring to football.
That is an AAC thing. They are in the midst of TV re-negotiations. They are trying to market themselves as part of the P5 (P6). The schools fully believe that the P5 will split off from the NCAA, at the very least for football, and want to be part of that party. That is why they continue to run unimaginably massive deficits trying to prop up their football programs.
They are hoping they can get at least 8-10M for their next TV contract, otherwise their economic situations may become untenable.
Had zero expectations for U of A this year for the first in the 30 years they've been my 2nd favorite team. Been OK I guess. Beat Iowa State in Maui and won at UConn. Lost to Baylor at home. Lost a 50-50 game at Bama. Lost as expected to Auburn and Gonzaga in Maui. Probably need to get to 10-8 in the Pac 10 absolute minimum to have a shot, but probably need to go something like 13-5 to feel safe. Could be back to closer to normal U of A next year. Reminds me of the year after the year where they pummeled Duke in the Sweet 16, then Jamelle Horne missed a shot against UConn to send them to the Final 4. That year they were pretty nonchalant non-conference, finished 12-6 in the league, lost a grinder in the tourney title game and still missed it, then had zero interest in the NIT home game and got beat.
Alford gone. No surprise, perhaps aside from the timing.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/25651854/ucla-bruins-fire-coach-steve-alford-woeful-start-season
I wonder if there's an advantage (or disadvantage) from a transfer perspective by firing him at this point? Obviously you are first in line for potentially interested coaches (a la the Packers), but it might work the same way for transfers, both in and out.
From a recruiting standpoint, it's awful. That being said, their early signees weren't much special. One top 100 guy.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/pac12/2018/12/31/ucla-basketball-steve-alford-fired/2448541002/
Quote from: Eye on December 31, 2018, 08:11:05 AM
Had zero expectations for U of A this year for the first in the 30 years they've been my 2nd favorite team. Been OK I guess. Beat Iowa State in Maui and won at UConn. Lost to Baylor at home. Lost a 50-50 game at Bama. Lost as expected to Auburn and Gonzaga in Maui. Probably need to get to 10-8 in the Pac 10 absolute minimum to have a shot, but probably need to go something like 13-5 to feel safe. Could be back to closer to normal U of A next year. Reminds me of the year after the year where they pummeled Duke in the Sweet 16, then Jamelle Horne missed a shot against UConn to send them to the Final 4. That year they were pretty nonchalant non-conference, finished 12-6 in the league, lost a grinder in the tourney title game and still missed it, then had zero interest in the NIT home game and got beat.
Really? How can u remain a fan of that program and the black eye they willingly gave the game we love?
As stated, as little interest as I've had in U of A basketball in 30 years. What happened off the floor definitely part of it.
Quote from: MomofMUltiples on December 30, 2018, 10:22:31 AM
This reminds me - has anyone else seen the ad where the American Conference proclaims itself a P-6 conference? I saw it while watching a Cincy game and wondered, who do they think they are ahead of? Although now I realize they could be referring to football.
Well...if we look at Ken Pom rankings...
AmericanCincinnati- 27
Houston- 32
UCF- 38
Temple- 74
UConn- 87
SMU- 89
Memphis- 103
Wichita St- 117
Tulsa- 125
USF- 174
East Carolina- 252
Tulane- 269
PAC-12Oregon- 39
Arizona St- 49
Washington- 52
Arizona- 54
Colorado- 76
Oregon St- 77
UCLA- 80
USC- 88
Stanford- 112
Utah- 141
Washington St- 171
California- 207
Outside of those two massive weights at the bottom for the American, the conferences are roughly the same in terms of KenPom rankings. The top three American teams are better than anything the PAC-12 has to offer.
Quote from: Skip Intro on December 31, 2018, 08:19:03 AM
Alford gone. No surprise, perhaps aside from the timing.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/25651854/ucla-bruins-fire-coach-steve-alford-woeful-start-season
I wonder if there's an advantage (or disadvantage) from a transfer perspective by firing him at this point? Obviously you are first in line for potentially interested coaches (a la the Packers), but it might work the same way for transfers, both in and out.
Hope he never gets another coaching gig again. Good riddance.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 31, 2018, 09:47:36 AM
Hope he never gets another coaching gig again. Good riddance.
Some desperate smaller school will give him a chance. Look at Kelvin Sampson....
Very interesting idea from PAC 12, I'm not sure it passes legal muster with NCAA or whether I back it, but intriguing nonetheless.
Private equity ownership of a conference....coming soon?
https://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregonian/john_canzano/2018/12/want-to-buy-a-stake-in-the-pac-12-conference-its-exploring-taking-on-private-equity-partners.html
Quote from: GooooMarquette on December 31, 2018, 09:53:01 AM
Some desperate smaller school will give him a chance. Look at Kelvin Sampson....
Sampson is an excellent coach though.
If he could have kept it clean, Sampson would have been at IU for years. You are right that he can coach.
Alford will end up at a place like UNLV.
Wojo to UCLA
Quote from: dbwarriors on December 31, 2018, 11:34:57 AM
Heard the same from my sources
Me too. And Steve Kerr to MU.
Quote from: dbwarriors on December 31, 2018, 12:05:48 PM
Hoiberg
Actually Hoiberg to UCLA makes all the sense in the world
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on December 31, 2018, 12:20:54 PM
Actually Hoiberg to UCLA makes all the sense in the world
Forgot about him. He's certainly available.
Luke Walton to UCLA. Better for him to take the long term contract now than wait and get fired by Lebron.
LaVar Ball to UCLA. If you asked him, he could make Bruins fans forget John Wooden.
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 31, 2018, 01:35:55 PM
Luke Walton to UCLA. Better for him to take the long term contract now than wait and get fired by Lebron.
He played at Arizona and is a big supporter of the program. I doubt he would coach the Bruins.
Quote from: M S on December 31, 2018, 10:37:06 AM
Sampson is an excellent coach though.
Sampson's winning percentage as a college coach is .649
Alford's winning percentage as a college coach is .663
So there's that....
Quote from: Marcus92 on December 31, 2018, 01:54:56 PM
LaVar Ball to UCLA. If you asked him, he could make Bruins fans forget John Wooden.
I totally hear his voice in my head saying that.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on December 31, 2018, 02:26:21 PM
Sampson's winning percentage as a college coach is .649
Alford's winning percentage as a college coach is .663
So there's that....
Alford has only had to do one rebuild and that's generous in my opinion...he's also always been at schools with some basketball support. Sampson has had to do several, plus worked at Washington State for 7 years, which is a nightmare historically to sustain success at in basketball (6 NCAA bids in nearly 80 years).
Quote from: GooooMarquette on December 31, 2018, 02:26:21 PM
Sampson's winning percentage as a college coach is .649
Alford's winning percentage as a college coach is .663
So there's that....
Sampson at Oklahoma and Indiana: 322-124 (.721)
Alford and Iowa and UCLA: 276-169 (.620)
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on December 31, 2018, 03:16:38 PMI totally hear his voice in my head saying that.
My favorite LaVar Ball quote: "Back in my heyday, I would kill Michael Jordan one-on-one." This from a guy who averaged 2.2 points a game in his one season at Washington State.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 29, 2018, 09:30:41 PM
At this point, I'm not even sure Steve Alford survives the season.
Nicely done, Nostradamus!
Quote from: Marcus92 on December 31, 2018, 04:10:02 PM
My favorite LaVar Ball quote: "Back in my heyday, I would kill Michael Jordan one-on-one." This from a guy who averaged 2.2 points a game in his one season at Washington State.
Maybe he meant Dr. J vs Bird on ColecoVision.
Quote from: Pakuni on December 31, 2018, 04:08:54 PM
Sampson at Oklahoma and Indiana: 322-124 (.721)
Alford and Iowa and UCLA: 276-169 (.620)
So Sampson is better where recruiting is easier. Great.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on December 31, 2018, 04:35:35 PM
So Sampson is better where recruiting is easier. Great.
Sampson is the better coach and I don't think it's really close. When he was banned from the NCAA he was a successful assistant for the Bucks and Rockets. And now he's turned Houston into a good team.
I doubt any NBA team will be giving Alford a call.
So do people here really think Alford won't get a call from some desperate school? Really?
Quote from: GooooMarquette on December 31, 2018, 04:35:35 PM
So Sampson is better where recruiting is easier. Great.
Or Alford can succeed at mid-major and smaller programs, where the level of competition and expectations are lower, but has failed to match that success against the big boys.
Just to further drive home the point:
Alford's Big 10/Pac 12 record: 114-102 (.528)
Sampson's Big 12/Big 10 record: 149-68 (.687)
Quote from: Pakuni on December 31, 2018, 04:54:27 PM
Or Alford can succeed at mid-major and smaller programs, where the level of competition and expectations are lower, but has failed to match that success against the big boys.
Just to further drive home the point:
Alford's Big 10/Pac 12 record: 114-102 (.528)
Sampson's Big 12/Big 10 record: 149-68 (.687)
Right. But my point was that some
desperate school - i.e.,
not an established power - will probably hire Alford in a New York minute if the price is right. Alford's greatest success was in the MWC, exactly the sort of environment I'm referring to.
Sounds like maybe we agree more than we disagree....
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 31, 2018, 01:35:55 PM
Luke Walton to UCLA. Better for him to take the long term contract now than wait and get fired by Lebron.
Make it his dad, Bill, and we've got a deal. I'd love to watch him coach rather than hear him be obnoxious on TV.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 31, 2018, 06:04:45 PM
Make it his dad, Bill, and we've got a deal. I'd love to watch him coach rather than hear him be obnoxious on TV.
He could be the first coach who openly consumes cannabis products before, during and after games.
That would be, like, totally awesome.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 31, 2018, 06:04:45 PM
Make it his dad, Bill, and we've got a deal. I'd love to watch him coach rather than hear him be obnoxious on TV.
It would drive me crazy to have him call a Marquette game, but I find him hilarious on games I don't really give a crap about (i.e. any PAC-12 game).
I think the 3 of us have had this debate about BW before :) Happy new year gents.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 31, 2018, 06:10:50 PM
I think the 3 of us have had this debate about BW before :) Happy new year gents.
Happy New Year, Rocky!
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 31, 2018, 06:04:45 PM
Make it his dad, Bill, and we've got a deal. I'd love to watch him coach rather than hear him be obnoxious on TV.
No! I love Bill Walton on TV!
Is that you, Dave? ;D
Quote from: GooooMarquette on December 31, 2018, 06:07:33 PM
It would drive me crazy to have him call a Marquette game, but I find him hilarious on games I don't really give a crap about (i.e. any PAC-12 game).
Bill is a big MU fan. Dates back to his teammate Maurice Lucas. Walton named his son Luke after him.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on December 31, 2018, 05:06:25 PM
Right. But my point was that some desperate school - i.e., not an established power - will probably hire Alford in a New York minute if the price is right. Alford's greatest success was in the MWC, exactly the sort of environment I'm referring to.
Sounds like maybe we agree more than we disagree....
But you never actually made this point. You compared his coaching record with Sampson's without going any deeper than that.
Quote from: Sultan of South Wayne on December 31, 2018, 08:08:53 PM
But you never actually made this point. You compared his coaching record with Sampson's without going any deeper than that.
You obviously missed my comment from 9:53:01 this morning.
You're welcome.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on December 31, 2018, 06:07:33 PM
It would drive me crazy to have him call a Marquette game, but I find him hilarious on games I don't really give a crap about (i.e. any PAC-12 game).
You watch PAC 12 basketball? You are a true college basketball junkie. Tip of the cap to you.
https://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-ucla-alford-plaschke-20181231-story.html
Quote from: WhiteTrash on December 31, 2018, 10:41:07 PM
You watch PAC 12 basketball? You are a true college basketball junkie. Tip of the cap to you.
Yes, I'm a proud junkie. Conference of Champions.
Is there a story behind why UCLA teams fly coach? I've seen it mentioned numerous times, but no explanation is given.
Quote from: asdfasdf on January 01, 2019, 10:46:46 AM
Is there a story behind why UCLA teams fly coach? I've seen it mentioned numerous times, but no explanation is given.
Most high level teams used to. Other programs have invested in charter jets (like Marquette), but UCLA simply hasn't.
If people still think this is an elite job, read this from the LA Times.
https://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-ucla-alford-plaschke-20181231-story.html
"I never thought I would write this, but the stark reality is that coaching the UCLA men's basketball team is not a great job.
Your bosses seem to care more about football. Your arena sits mostly quiet and half-empty. Your recruiting efforts rarely benefit from the legend of John Wooden because most of today's prospects have never heard of him.
You don't have the amenities of a Kansas or Kentucky, where every road trip is on a chartered plane and where the coaches recruit from private jets. You mostly fly commercial, which affects everything from practice schedules to body clocks.
You don't have the national exposure of a North Carolina or Duke, where every game is played in a full arena. You play home games that are scheduled at 6 p.m. during the middle of the week because of the enduring embarrassment of the Pac-12 Conference's TV deal, and your players are virtually unknown because of the sham that is the Pac-12 Network.
The ticket prices at new Pauley Pavilion are too high. The local perception of the program is shockingly low. The school's support of the program has lagged such that when the Bruins traveled to Dayton, Ohio, for an NCAA Tournament play-in game last March, the pep band didn't even make the trip.
In ways that stretch far beyond the current 23-year national championship drought — the longest since before Wooden stepped on campus — the reality is as chilling as the malaise that often runs through Pauley when the team occupies the floor.
UCLA basketball is no longer UCLA basketball."
PAC 12 plight a warning for BE. If the league as a whole loses credibility in the non-conf, there is no way for it to bootstrap itself up to respectability.
We are ok this year as we lost the big guns but teams like MU have stepped up.
But a year of mediocrity will really hurt us. At least the PAC12 are state schools with built in budgets and fan bases. The BE are private schools with basketball as the flagship. Won't matter how good your soccer or lacrosse or archery team is. basketball has to succeed.
The Pac 12's problems run deeper than a poor non-conference performance. There are fundamental problems with how the conference operates, including terrible TV exposure. It is not only affecting basketball, but football as well. We should thank the Lord that the BE is run extremely well.
It seems really strange to me that UCLA is so far behind the times in such a simple area too improve (travel). Is it a choice by the school? Does Cal berkley also travel coach?
I don't think flying exclusively charter is as widespread as you think. Regardless, I think it is representative of how UCLA has treated the basketball program. They have historically been successful without that investment, why should they make it now?
UCLA does fly charter to some games, this idea that they never do is completely wrong. Football mostly does charter, basketball on select trips. Recruiting is not done through private jets, then again if you could land just Calif kids each year you will do very well. They are a state school and as much as we are taxed to the hilt here (highest combined in the nation...local, state, property, fuel), the peeps here do not believe in taxes going for things like sports stadiums, paying head coaches on the public dime (which is why UC coaches pay historically has been crap from the portion coming from the state), and on things like travel. The UC schools here got blasted about 20 some years ago for egregious budgeting on sports and since then there has been big changes.
Let us not forget Calif is very diverse from a college alumni perspective and in population in general. It isn't provincial like other states. If Bucky Badger or Alabama or Texas flagship aren't doing well, the state view it as the entire state is being devalued on the court or gridiron. Calif....there are probably 25 D1 schools if I had to guess. At least 7 FBS programs and several FCS. There is no central rallying cry here to back one school with funding and all the niceties that one or two trick pony states have. Completely different animal and it extends through the politics of money allocation here, facilities and so much more.
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 31, 2018, 10:50:52 PM
https://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-ucla-alford-plaschke-20181231-story.html
Take Plaschke with a grain of salt....he is brutal here locally. He will back a coach up until the day he is fired and then tell you how he never liked the guy. He is always pining for massive expenditures on stadiums, etc, and the bitches about ticket costs and food prices as if not to recognize the two are 100% linked. This town since Jim Murray and Scott Osteller are gone, is without quality sports columnists.
He also overstates the charter stuff, his own paper talks of UCLA chartering to games especially in football. He is dead on right about the Pac 12 Network and TV deal, but a 1st grader knows that out here.
And people want to know why UCLA has fallen behind? Chicos' post is full of evidence why.
1. Why fly private jets to recruit even though most other schools do it? Because you only have to recruit locally!!! I mean, why have a national profile if you can do well with just kids from LA!!!
2. We are a public university and therefore can't afford it. I mean, those other public universities do it, but not us...
3. We are more sophisticated than the rest of the country anyway.
California might be the most isolated, self-important state in the union. And UCLA basketball is symbolic of that.
Quote from: Cheeks on January 01, 2019, 12:19:32 PM
Take Plaschke with a grain of salt....he is brutal here locally. He will back a coach up until the day he is fired and then tell you how he never liked the guy. He is always pining for massive expenditures on stadiums, etc, and the bitches about ticket costs and food prices as if not to recognize the two are 100% linked. This town since Jim Murray and Scott Osteller are gone, is without quality sports columnists.
He also overstates the charter stuff, his own paper talks of UCLA chartering to games especially in football. He is dead on right about the Pac 12 Network and TV deal, but a 1st grader knows that out here.
UCLA is still a great job and there will be a line around the block who will want it. The bottom line is top level recruits will always have the school on their short list. However, to compete at the highest levels in D1 sports a coaching staff has to be engaged 24/7/365. In this case Coach Alford wasn't doing that , and so despite getting top recruits, the wheels are starting to come off the wagon. I am fairly confident that with the right coach UCLA will be back to Elite 8, Final 4 type status quickly.
Quote from: Sultan of South Wayne on January 01, 2019, 12:51:22 PM
And people want to know why UCLA has fallen behind? Chicos' post is full of evidence why.
1. Why fly private jets to recruit even though most other schools do it? Because you only have to recruit locally!!! I mean, why have a national profile if you can do well with just kids from LA!!!
2. We are a public university and therefore can't afford it. I mean, those other public universities do it, but not us...
3. We are more sophisticated than the rest of the country anyway.
California might be the most isolated, self-important state in the union. And UCLA basketball is symbolic of that.
California now has the world's 5th largest economy. California's economy has surpassed that of the United Kingdom to become the world's fifth largest, according to new federal data . California's gross domestic product rose by $127 billion from 2016 to 2017, surpassing $2.7 trillion.
Sultan, like California or not, the state is a juggernaut. The state is hardly isolated. You may not like the politics, that is your issue. It is also home to some of the very best research universities in the country, and UCLA is one of them.
Quote from: Sultan of South Wayne on January 01, 2019, 12:51:22 PM
And people want to know why UCLA has fallen behind? Chicos' post is full of evidence why.
1. Why fly private jets to recruit even though most other schools do it? Because you only have to recruit locally!!! I mean, why have a national profile if you can do well with just kids from LA!!!
2. We are a public university and therefore can't afford it. I mean, those other public universities do it, but not us...
3. We are more sophisticated than the rest of the country anyway.
California might be the most isolated, self-important state in the union. And UCLA basketball is symbolic of that.
California is a giant turd bowl. 16 months, 8 days left...tick tock tick tock. Last one almost out of high school. What once was the greatest state in the union now is number 1 in poverty, #44 in education and the highest taxation in the last...and more people leaving than coming for over a decade. Good times. Ah yes, good good good times.
Do you have evidence that most schools fly private jets? UCLA doesn't have to only recruit locally, but if they landed the local kids they would be fantastic. A number of Alford's recruits he landed were not local. He had 7 NBA first rounders, and four top 10 recruiting classes.
Flying private isn't an issue for recruiting at UCLA, they are landing great recruiting classes regardless, so your point is lost on this one. They have consistently had great recruiting classes for years, so the private jet for them is a red herring. For other programs, yes they need it. UCLA doesn't. I'm sure they would take it, but it hasn't slowed them a bit in recruiting as evidenced below. Several years left out because only had 1 recruit in class, as an example. 247 rankings.
2018 class ranked 6th
2017 class ranked 5th
2016 class ranked 11th
2015 class ranked 24th
2014 class ranked 7th
2013 class ranked 12th
2012 class ranked 2nd
2009 class ranked 5th
2008 class ranked 3rd
2004 class ranked 7th
SOME other public universities do it, but they also have different state legislatures, different policies and different emphasis on sports. Alabama's entire state pride is linked to a flagship football program...think about that for a second. They are not alone. Not the case in California, not close. Much bigger priorities and fish to fry
Calif thinks it is more sophisticated, but the folks that run this state have run it into the ground the last 20 years. It is a monumental joke saved each year by high tech. No argument there. Sadly, how California goes the nation eventually goes. Sadly.
Quote from: 79Warrior on January 01, 2019, 02:09:10 PM
California now has the world's 5th largest economy. California's economy has surpassed that of the United Kingdom to become the world's fifth largest, according to new federal data . California's gross domestic product rose by $127 billion from 2016 to 2017, surpassing $2.7 trillion.
Sultan, like California or not, the state is a juggernaut. The state is hardly isolated. You may not like the politics, that is your issue. It is also home to some of the very best research universities in the country, and UCLA is one of them.
It is culturally isolated from the rest of the US. The rest of your post is irrelevant to the point.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 01, 2019, 01:11:07 PM
UCLA is still a great job and there will be a line around the block who will want it. The bottom line is top level recruits will always have the school on their short list. However, to compete at the highest levels in D1 sports a coaching staff has to be engaged 24/7/365. In this case Coach Alford wasn't doing that , and so despite getting top recruits, the wheels are starting to come off the wagon. I am fairly confident that with the right coach UCLA will be back to Elite 8, Final 4 type status quickly.
I agree. Plaschke is the one saying the job sucks, but Plaschke always talks like that. The recruiting is fine, the talent in the area is off the charts, great academic school, perfect weather. Sure, expectations are high, but so what. Great job for the RIGHT kind of coach, and that does mean most coaches aren't going to fit. LA is a town that worships actors and other hucksters with the right charisma salesmanship. I can't stand it, but that's the town pedigree and that is no different in athletics. Many of the sports there are no expectations, but there are for the Dodgers, Lakers, USC football, UCLA basketball. Everything else is arrive 45 minutes late, leave 30 minutes early, make sure the photo is taken with the wine and cheese...Oh who are those blue and gold people on the field with lightening bolts on their helmets...but that's the way it is.
USC has the number 2 basketball recruiting class in the nation next year and if you asked 100 Angelinos, 100 of them would have no idea.
https://247sports.com/college/usc/Season/2019-Basketball/Commits/
Even when Howland was winning, the locals hated HOW he was winning...they were playing defense and that's boring to local intelligentsia. When he ran into controversy, they couldn't wait to pile on and get him out.
Right type of coach would do well here. Alford never that guy, didn't have success in the past. If Pitino wasn't so tainted, he would be very high on the list. Coach Cal would work here. Luke Walton might. You have to win, and you have to do it the way they want....flash and sizzle.
Quote from: 79Warrior on January 01, 2019, 02:09:10 PM
California now has the world's 5th largest economy. California's economy has surpassed that of the United Kingdom to become the world's fifth largest, according to new federal data . California's gross domestic product rose by $127 billion from 2016 to 2017, surpassing $2.7 trillion.
Sultan, like California or not, the state is a juggernaut. The state is hardly isolated. You may not like the politics, that is your issue. It is also home to some of the very best research universities in the country, and UCLA is one of them.
California has had a top 8 economy in the world for the last 40 years, but many of the things this state used to do well, we no longer do well and the stats show it. Very sad.
In before the lock as Cheeks makes it political
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 01, 2019, 03:53:46 PM
In before the lick as Cheeks makes it political
Is this a new Scoop policy for 2019?
Quote from: asdfasdf on January 01, 2019, 10:46:46 AM
Is there a story behind why UCLA teams fly coach? I've seen it mentioned numerous times, but no explanation is given.
Fookin' SWA besides, hey?
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 01, 2019, 03:53:46 PM
In before the lick as Cheeks makes it political
Depends hoos doin' da lickin', hey?
Quote from: Cheeks on January 01, 2019, 02:31:09 PM
I agree. Plaschke is the one saying the job sucks, but Plaschke always talks like that. The recruiting is fine, the talent in the area is off the charts, great academic school, perfect weather. Sure, expectations are high, but so what. Great job for the RIGHT kind of coach, and that does mean most coaches aren't going to fit. LA is a town that worships actors and other hucksters with the right charisma salesmanship. I can't stand it, but that's the town pedigree and that is no different in athletics. Many of the sports there are no expectations, but there are for the Dodgers, Lakers, USC football, UCLA basketball. Everything else is arrive 45 minutes late, leave 30 minutes early, make sure the photo is taken with the wine and cheese...Oh who are those blue and gold people on the field with lightening bolts on their helmets...but that's the way it is.
USC has the number 2 basketball recruiting class in the nation next year and if you asked 100 Angelinos, 100 of them would have no idea.
https://247sports.com/college/usc/Season/2019-Basketball/Commits/
Even when Howland was winning, the locals hated HOW he was winning...they were playing defense and that's boring to local intelligentsia. When he ran into controversy, they couldn't wait to pile on and get him out.
Right type of coach would do well here. Alford never that guy, didn't have success in the past. If Pitino wasn't so tainted, he would be very high on the list. Coach Cal would work here. Luke Walton might. You have to win, and you have to do it the way they want....flash and sizzle.
CBB:
For many years I was a generalist Investment Banker and at one point did about 75 percent of my business in California. Represented all of the great industries of the state such as entertainment/media, aerospace/defense, agriculture, technology and real estate. Really got to know the inner working of the different regions of the state.
You are very correct about the personality of LA, which is very distinct, they love the glitz. We used to do all our LA road show luncheons at Jimmy's, a restaurant in Beverly Hills that was well known back in the day for celebrities. The investors who bought the securities loved it when someone like Pat Riley, Jamaal Wilkes or Gail Goodrich walked in. UCLA fits into all of this because the school is located on the edge of Bel Aire where all the prominent and elite live.
If you go to the Jonathan Beach Club in Santa Monica there is a giant photograph of John Wooden displayed very prominently, the environment there , private club overlooking the pacific, is sort of a microcosm of what UCLA is all about.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 01, 2019, 04:27:24 PM
If you go to the Jonathan Beach Club in Santa Monica there is a giant photograph of John Wooden displayed very prominently, the environment there , private club overlooking the pacific, is sort of a microcosm of what UCLA is all about.
Exactly. And that's the problem.
Quote from: Sultan of South Wayne on January 01, 2019, 02:30:39 PM
It is culturally isolated from the rest of the US. The rest of your post is irrelevant to the point.
Thank you.
Quote from: Sultan of South Wayne on January 01, 2019, 10:59:05 AM
Most high level teams used to. Other programs have invested in charter jets (like Marquette), but UCLA simply hasn't.
If people still think this is an elite job, read this from the LA Times.
https://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-ucla-alford-plaschke-20181231-story.html
"I never thought I would write this, but the stark reality is that coaching the UCLA men's basketball team is not a great job.
Your bosses seem to care more about football. Your arena sits mostly quiet and half-empty. Your recruiting efforts rarely benefit from the legend of John Wooden because most of today's prospects have never heard of him.
You don't have the amenities of a Kansas or Kentucky, where every road trip is on a chartered plane and where the coaches recruit from private jets. You mostly fly commercial, which affects everything from practice schedules to body clocks.
You don't have the national exposure of a North Carolina or Duke, where every game is played in a full arena. You play home games that are scheduled at 6 p.m. during the middle of the week because of the enduring embarrassment of the Pac-12 Conference's TV deal, and your players are virtually unknown because of the sham that is the Pac-12 Network.
The ticket prices at new Pauley Pavilion are too high. The local perception of the program is shockingly low. The school's support of the program has lagged such that when the Bruins traveled to Dayton, Ohio, for an NCAA Tournament play-in game last March, the pep band didn't even make the trip.
In ways that stretch far beyond the current 23-year national championship drought — the longest since before Wooden stepped on campus — the reality is as chilling as the malaise that often runs through Pauley when the team occupies the floor.
UCLA basketball is no longer UCLA basketball."
That is an outstanding piece of writing, and it is an amazing look at what once was THE most storied basketball program in the country.
There are so many great jobs ... what great coach needs that headache?
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 01, 2019, 04:27:24 PM
If you go to the Jonathan Beach Club in Santa Monica there is a giant photograph of John Wooden displayed very prominently, the environment there , private club overlooking the pacific, is sort of a microcosm of what UCLA is all about.
Some of my colleagues are members of the JC in Santa Monica. Not my cup of tea to spend that kind of jack, plus I don't live in that area to make it work my while. Though I've lived here a good chunk of my life, I was raised by two midwesterners and almost everyone I work with believes I'm not from L.A. Just not my scene, never has been, but been around long enough to know how it all works. People love the sizzle here. It's all about the sizzle.
Where I disagree with Sultan, who is in Indiana and doesn't live out this way or experience day to day, UCLA can be very successful but they need to have the right kind of coach. What UCLA is about isn't a "problem" unless you aren't smart enough to know what kind of coach to captain the ship with. UCLA's problem is not identifying the right type of coach. It's only a "problem" for UCLA if they continue to force someone that will be rejected by the masses from day one as an outsider. There are guys that can do this job, the recruiting is practically on auto-pilot, but you need the front man.
Quote from: Sultan of South Wayne on January 01, 2019, 02:30:39 PM
It is culturally isolated from the rest of the US. The rest of your post is irrelevant to the point.
Arizona, Oregon, Nevada used to say that, all part of the same block now. Colorado next. As California goes, so does the nation....eventually. Just a matter of time.
Not sure how that is relevant to UCLA basketball, but good for you!
ND sucks.
Quote from: MU82 on January 01, 2019, 04:45:24 PM
That is an outstanding piece of writing, and it is an amazing look at what once was THE most storied basketball program in the country.
There are so many great jobs ... what great coach needs that headache?
UCLA's football has to get fixed, which is why they are "caring" more about football. The fact of the matter is that Casey Wasserman is the one doing the caring and footing the bill. When you play in a 100K seat stadium and are not very good, plus 10 miles away is one of the historical college football juggernauts you have to either play ball or not.
In terms of national relevance, playing on the west coast hurts them due to the time difference, especially in a game like basketball. For football, games are played during the day on Saturdays, east coast can watch and distribute. East coast and Midwestern folk are not staying up late to watch college hoops. In fact, if you look at even NBA the Golden State Warriors ratings on weekdays is pretty average compared to bad NBA teams that play in the east...geography / timezone matter.
His pep band comment is dumb. If I recall, UCLA was entering their finals week as they are on a quarter system so they didn't travel. When I was Asst. NCAA Tournament Director in Milwaukee 1999, two schools didn't bring their band....it happens.
Nothing they can do about Pac 12 Network until the thing is purchased by a broadcaster, and as far as I know it isn't for sale....at the moment. As an alum of Kansas....there is nothing....literally NOTHING to do in Lawrence from Dec to March but go to a KU basketball game. In LA, there are 1000's of things to do, daily.
Last night during the UCLA/Stanford telecast, ESPN was promoting a leading candidate for the UCLA job ... Barack Obama!
I like it.
Side note
Bill Walton has really lost it. He is a non-stop babbling of incoherent stream of consciousness thoughts.
He needs to be put out to pasture.
Quote from: Tower Tops on January 04, 2019, 10:37:27 AM
Last night during the UCLA/Stanford telecast, ESPN was promoting a leading candidate for the UCLA job ... Barack Obama!
I like it.
Side note
Bill Walton has really lost it. He is a non-stop babbling of incoherent stream of consciousness thoughts.
He needs to be put out to pasture.
This might help others.
https://awfulannouncing.com/espn/bill-walton-thinks-barack-obama-should-be-the-next-ucla-basketball-coach.html
Quote from: Tower Tops on January 04, 2019, 10:37:27 AM
Last night during the UCLA/Stanford telecast, ESPN was promoting a leading candidate for the UCLA job ... Barack Obama!
I like it.
Side note
Bill Walton has really lost it. He is a non-stop babbling of incoherent stream of consciousness thoughts.
He needs to be put out to pasture.
And like so many Marquette fans Walton hasn't really moved past the 1970's era and success.
Quote from: Cheeks on January 01, 2019, 05:08:38 PM
UCLA's football has to get fixed, which is why they are "caring" more about football. The fact of the matter is that Casey Wasserman is the one doing the caring and footing the bill. When you play in a 100K seat stadium and are not very good, plus 10 miles away is one of the historical college football juggernauts you have to either play ball or not.
In terms of national relevance, playing on the west coast hurts them due to the time difference, especially in a game like basketball. For football, games are played during the day on Saturdays, east coast can watch and distribute. East coast and Midwestern folk are not staying up late to watch college hoops. In fact, if you look at even NBA the Golden State Warriors ratings on weekdays is pretty average compared to bad NBA teams that play in the east...geography / timezone matter.
His pep band comment is dumb. If I recall, UCLA was entering their finals week as they are on a quarter system so they didn't travel. When I was Asst. NCAA Tournament Director in Milwaukee 1999, two schools didn't bring their band....it happens.
Nothing they can do about Pac 12 Network until the thing is purchased by a broadcaster, and as far as I know it isn't for sale....at the moment. As an alum of Kansas....there is nothing....literally NOTHING to do in Lawrence from Dec to March but go to a KU basketball game. In LA, there are 1000's of things to do, daily.
So what do they do in April - Nov?
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on January 04, 2019, 11:37:55 AM
This might help others.
https://awfulannouncing.com/espn/bill-walton-thinks-barack-obama-should-be-the-next-ucla-basketball-coach.html
A high, incoherent has-been says something ridiculous ... and to Smuggles that means "ESPN was promoting" Obama as a candidate for the UCLA job.
Smuggles later made Walton a "side note," seemingly pretending that it wasn't Walton who made that ridiculous comment.
Scoop said to sell Apple stock in April 2016.
Side note
Smuggles/Heisey/Tugg really has lost it. (If he ever had it.)
Quote from: Waldo Jeffers on January 04, 2019, 11:42:22 AM
And like so many Marquette fans Walton hasn't really moved past the 1970's era and success.
+1
Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 04, 2019, 11:48:16 AM
So what do they do in April - Nov?
KU football isn't it, though hiring Les Miles is interesting. When I was there Glenn Mason was the coach, we beat Oklahoma, went to a bowl game. Years later they were in the top 5 in the nation. Possible, but a lot has to go their way.
KU was a dry campus back then, had to go into Lawrence. KC was like 45 minutes away, that was an option.
Quote from: Cheeks on January 04, 2019, 02:08:12 PM
KU football isn't it, though hiring Les Miles is interesting. When I was there Glenn Mason was the coach, we beat Oklahoma, went to a bowl game. Years later they were in the top 5 in the nation. Possible, but a lot has to go their way.
KU was a dry campus back then, had to go into Lawrence. KC was like 45 minutes away, that was an option.
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How 'bout when WarriorDad was there?
Quote from: Tower Tops on January 04, 2019, 10:37:27 AM
Last night during the UCLA/Stanford telecast, ESPN was promoting a leading candidate for the UCLA job ... Barack Obama!
I like it.
Side note
Bill Walton has really lost it. He is a non-stop babbling of incoherent stream of consciousness thoughts.
He needs to be put out to pasture.
It's just his schtick, people mostly like it in small doses. Though I was surprised to hear him offer that option, as Bill always seemed like a guy that believed in a strong defense.
Quote from: MU82 on January 04, 2019, 02:09:12 PM
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How 'bout when WarriorDad was there?
Swiiinnnnggggg and a miss.
Now, Pakuni, Billy's Hoyle, TwoCones....they all loved it there.
Quote from: Cheeks on January 01, 2019, 02:31:09 PM
Right type of coach would do well here. Alford never that guy, didn't have success in the past. If Pitino wasn't so tainted, he would be very high on the list. Coach Cal would work here. Luke Walton might. You have to win, and you have to do it the way they want....flash and sizzle.
UCLA might not care...
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/powerful-ucla-boosters-want-rick-pitino-as-coach-report-says/ar-BBROk2Y?ocid=ientp
Arizona State's home loss to Utah dropped them out of the top-50 in NET. That leaves only three teams in the league in the top-75 (Washington 54, Arizona 57, ASU 67) which means teams have just three chances for Q1 victories on the road and just three chances for Q2 victories at home. If that ends up being a league where no one gets more than 12 wins, one bid becomes very realistic, especially if there's a double champion.
Right now, the league's rating on Pomeroy is even lower than the disastrous 2012 season that saw the Pac-12 get just two bids while 5 teams with double-digit league wins were left out, including 14-4 league champs Washington, 13-5 Oregon, and 12-6 Arizona. And one of the two bids went to auto-bid Colorado that certainly would've missed if not for winning the league tournament. This year looks worse than that.
Quote from: MU82 on January 04, 2019, 12:07:20 PM
A high, incoherent has-been says something ridiculous ... and to Smuggles that means "ESPN was promoting" Obama as a candidate for the UCLA job.
Smuggles later made Walton a "side note," seemingly pretending that it wasn't Walton who made that ridiculous comment.
Scoop said to sell Apple stock in April 2016.
Side note
Smuggles/Heisey/Tugg really has lost it. (If he ever had it.)
The discussed it at half time and again after the game, both without Walton. It was the rage last night on ESPN.
Quote from: Litehouse on January 04, 2019, 02:56:03 PM
UCLA might not care...
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/powerful-ucla-boosters-want-rick-pitino-as-coach-report-says/ar-BBROk2Y?ocid=ientp
Another one
https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamzagoria/2019/01/04/rick-pitino-is-a-top-target-of-ucla-boosters-in-coaching-search/
Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 04, 2019, 11:48:16 AM
So what do they do in April - Nov?
You haven't been to @kuboobs on the tweeter then, aina?
Quote from: Tower Tops on January 04, 2019, 03:53:11 PM
The discussed it at half time and again after the game, both without Walton. It was the rage last night on ESPN.
I'd love to see a link to the video so I could judge if anybody at ESPN was serious about a former president coaching the UCLA basketball team.
Quote from: MU82 on January 04, 2019, 10:17:24 PM
I'd love to see a link to the video so I could judge if anybody at ESPN was serious about a former president coaching the UCLA basketball team.
There's no way this happens, but I think there are some merits to the idea.
I don't think you understand just how easy it would be for Barack Obama to recruit black teenagers (yes, most of the best players are black) to play for him. The black teenagers I talk to every day revere him.
The dude knows basketball, and while he hasn't played or coached at a high level, his brother in law Craig Robinson was a D1 women's coach for many years (I think Oregon St). Bring in the BIL and some solid assistants, plus Barack's own leadership abilities and you have a formidible coaching staff.
Do you want to be the recruit that says no to playing for the ex-President? Do you want to be the ref that has to make a call against his team?
Quote from: Cheeks on January 04, 2019, 02:10:33 PM
It's just his schtick, people mostly like it in small doses. Though I was surprised to hear him offer that option, as Bill always seemed like a guy that believed in a strong defense.
He'd have to adapt his defensive philosophy, no doubt. More zones, less drones I'd imagine.
UCLA needs Buzz, he would kill it there.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on January 04, 2019, 10:34:53 PM
There's no way this happens, but I think there are some merits to the idea.
I don't think you understand just how easy it would be for Barack Obama to recruit black teenagers (yes, most of the best players are black) to play for him. The black teenagers I talk to every day revere him.
The dude knows basketball, and while he hasn't played or coached at a high level, his brother in law Craig Robinson was a D1 women's coach for many years (I think Oregon St). Bring in the BIL and some solid assistants, plus Barack's own leadership abilities and you have a formidible coaching staff.
Do you want to be the recruit that says no to playing for the ex-President? Do you want to be the ref that has to make a call against his team?
ESPN admitted it would not happened but listed reason why it was not an outlandish idea. Above reads as a summary of those idea.
Den hekan eat grass all dey, hey?
Quote from: Charlotte Warrior on January 05, 2019, 10:48:00 AM
UCLA needs Buzz, he would kill it there.
I don't know. The aww shucks thing doesn't play out here too well. Why would Buzz want that limelight anyway? He has it perfect at a football school, in a basketball conference where he isn't top dog, can fly under the radar, the administration will let him do whatever he wants. Not sure you trade that. I'd still think he lands at one of the Texas schools at some point if he moves.
Quote from: Charlotte Warrior on January 05, 2019, 10:48:00 AM
UCLA needs Buzz, he would kill it there.
Buzz doesn't fly commercial.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on January 04, 2019, 10:34:53 PM
There's no way this happens, but I think there are some merits to the idea.
I don't think you understand just how easy it would be for Barack Obama to recruit black teenagers (yes, most of the best players are black) to play for him. The black teenagers I talk to every day revere him.
The dude knows basketball, and while he hasn't played or coached at a high level, his brother in law Craig Robinson was a D1 women's coach for many years (I think Oregon St). Bring in the BIL and some solid assistants, plus Barack's own leadership abilities and you have a formidible coaching staff.
Do you want to be the recruit that says no to playing for the ex-President? Do you want to be the ref that has to make a call against his team?
I know you aren't saying it in a serious way, but just to address where the topic falls apart for me are basic logistics. Secret Service at every game? At every AAU event he scouts, at every in-home visit? As novel as the idea is, it would be a logistical security nightmare.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 05, 2019, 10:06:01 PM
I know you aren't saying it in a serious way, but just to address where the topic falls apart for me are basic logistics. Secret Service at every game? At every AAU event he scouts, at every in-home visit? As novel as the idea is, it would be a logistical security nightmare.
Probably reason #1 why this would never happen.
Quote from: Tower Tops on January 05, 2019, 12:27:24 PM
ESPN admitted it would not happened
So, your earlier diatribe was pointless. Thanks for admitting it at least.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on January 04, 2019, 10:34:53 PM
The dude knows basketball, and while he hasn't played or coached at a high level, his brother in law Craig Robinson was a D1 women's coach for many years (I think Oregon St).
Not sure why one's brother-in-law being good at something means he does, too? If his brother in law was great at darts, would that make him good at darts? Just not sure I understand the correlation.
Robinson was the men's coach at Oregon State, and got fired after only one year with a winning record in 6 years.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on January 05, 2019, 10:32:45 PM
Probably reason #1 why this would never happen.
That and the fact that it is unlikely ANYONE would make their debut as a coach of any kind as the head coach of UCLA. MU82 has much more experience in the coaching ranks than Barack Obama - doubt he gets the nod either.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 05, 2019, 11:09:34 PM
That and the fact that it is unlikely ANYONE would make their debut as a coach of any kind as the head coach of UCLA. MU82 has much more experience in the coaching ranks than Barack Obama - doubt he gets the nod either.
I actually am a finalist for the UCLA gig. But I think I blew it in my second interview when I asked them to take Wooden's name off the court and put "MU82" on it.
Oh well, I didn't really want to take the pay cut, anyway.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 05, 2019, 11:09:34 PM
That and the fact that it is unlikely ANYONE would make their debut as a coach of any kind as the head coach of UCLA. MU82 has much more experience in the coaching ranks than Barack Obama - doubt he gets the nod either.
Would they have a special seat for the Teleprompter? That would be cool.
I remember a few years ago, when the Big East reorganized, the league was in talks with with the PAC about a Gavitt Games-like scheduling alliance. Unfortunately, UCLA and Arizona refused to be part of such a matchup, so the talks broke down. Looks like the league dodged a bullet there.
Quote from: Litehouse on January 04, 2019, 02:56:03 PM
UCLA might not care...
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/powerful-ucla-boosters-want-rick-pitino-as-coach-report-says/ar-BBROk2Y?ocid=ientp
Wasserman says preposterous he would back Pitino
https://www.bruinsnation.com/ucla_basketball_coaching_search/2019/1/5/18170008/ucla-basketball-casey-wasserman-rick-pitino-coaching-search
Quote from: Cheeks on January 06, 2019, 09:19:17 PM
Wasserman says preposterous he would back Pitino
https://www.bruinsnation.com/ucla_basketball_coaching_search/2019/1/5/18170008/ucla-basketball-casey-wasserman-rick-pitino-coaching-search
Dick Vitale said yesterday that Pitino was the ideal candidate for the job.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 06, 2019, 09:51:16 PM
Dick Vitale said yesterday that Pitino was the ideal candidate for the job.
Dick Vitale is about promoting his friends. I'm sure Robert Montgomery Knight is his second choice.
Quote from: cheebs09 on January 06, 2019, 10:04:59 PM
Dick Vitale is about promoting his friends. I'm sure Robert Montgomery Knight is his second choice.
If I remember correctly, I think he implied that lol
Quote from: Cheeks on January 06, 2019, 10:38:39 AM
Would they have a special seat for the Teleprompter? That would be cool.
Wonder if Michelle has any eligibility left ta play tight end on da Bruin football team, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 07, 2019, 03:09:39 PM
Wonder if Michelle has any eligibility left ta play tight end on da Bruin football team, hey?
F'ing morons!
Quote from: Cheeks on January 05, 2019, 08:51:29 PM
I don't know. The aww shucks thing doesn't play out here too well. Why would Buzz want that limelight anyway? He has it perfect at a football school, in a basketball conference where he isn't top dog, can fly under the radar, the administration will let him do whatever he wants. Not sure you trade that. I'd still think he lands at one of the Texas schools at some point if he moves.
He can coach, his teams play an entertaining style, they play hard and he wins. He would get talent easier at UCLA than Blacksburg and my money is that he would win BIG. Aw shucks plays well anywhere if you win. I do think BUZZ would grow restless from the expectations and any perceived slights / lack of love - but he would kill it for a period of time. Rumor is that his feelings are getting hurt in Blacksburg now for the same reasons
Quote from: Charlotte Warrior on January 08, 2019, 03:08:11 PM
He can coach, his teams play an entertaining style, they play hard and he wins. He would get talent easier at UCLA than Blacksburg and my money is that he would win BIG. Aw shucks plays well anywhere if you win. I do think BUZZ would grow restless from the expectations and any perceived slights / lack of love - but he would kill it for a period of time. Rumor is that his feelings are getting hurt in Blacksburg now for the same reasons
Dan Guerrero desperately needs a home-run, big-name hire. Regardless of his success at MU and VaTech, Buzz is not that.
I think Luke Walton is the answer. He's already gotten the dreaded vote of confidence with the Lakers, so I think both sides there would be happy with a mutually beneficial separation. His NBA connections will lend instant credibility for recruiting - there'll be NBA guys at Pauley constantly, with two NBA teams in town. He's proven he's a heck of a coach. He's got LA and UCLA roots. He looks like Josh Pastner.
^ I bet broadcasts of UCLA games with Bill Walton calling them wouldn't suck at all.
Quote from: MUBurrow on January 08, 2019, 03:46:28 PM
I think Luke Walton is the answer. He's already gotten the dreaded vote of confidence with the Lakers, so I think both sides there would be happy with a mutually beneficial separation. His NBA connections will lend instant credibility for recruiting - there'll be NBA guys at Pauley constantly, with two NBA teams in town. He's proven he's a heck of a coach. He's got LA and UCLA roots. He looks like Josh Pastner.
Luke is a Wildcat. He won't coach UCLA.