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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: wadesworld on December 21, 2018, 10:46:02 PM
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There are only so many excuses people can make for why we've now beaten 3 top 15 teams in the same calendar month for the 2nd time since 1977 (or maybe it's the 2nd time in program history?). Guessing tonight is Buffalo is overrated and not as good after seeing them in person, too small, we won't get as hot of a Markus this season, etc.
Regardless of whatever tonight's excuses are, this team is legit. There is room on the bandwagon. Hop on in. Us slurpers will continue sharing the driving duties.
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The sad part, wades, is that there still will be folks looking for excuses to hate on a team they profess to be fans of. I just don't get it.
But if they want to mend their ways, you're right, there's plenty of room on the bandwagon ... as long as they don't claim they never doubted or that they're "better" fans than those of us who believed from the get-go.
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There are very few making "excuses"
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No reason for anyone to not be pleased with everything since the 22-0 Kansas run. The Louisville win included some luck, but you can't argue a win over Loserville. The K State game was great. Beating Wisconsin is always great. And this shellacking was great, even if they weren't ranked #12.
Some bumps on the road early, smooth sailing since. Really enjoying this team right now.
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There are only so many excuses people can make for why we've now beaten 3 top 15 teams in the same calendar month for the 2nd time since 1977 (or maybe it's the 2nd time in program history?). Guessing tonight is Buffalo is overrated and not as good after seeing them in person, too small, we won't get as hot of a Markus this season, etc.
Regardless of whatever tonight's excuses are, this team is legit. There is room on the bandwagon. Hop on in. Us slurpers will continue sharing the driving duties.
No excuses anywhere tonight. Buffalo is really, really good and we were outstanding tonight. That's all there is to it.
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I may/may not have been looking at hotels in Des Moines for March 20/22 after the game tonight...
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I may/may not have been looking at hotels in Des Moines for March 20/22 after the game tonight...
You may/may not have been the only person to do that.
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There are only so many excuses people can make for why we've now beaten 3 top 15 teams in the same calendar month for the 2nd time since 1977 (or maybe it's the 2nd time in program history?). Guessing tonight is Buffalo is overrated and not as good after seeing them in person, too small, we won't get as hot of a Markus this season, etc.
Regardless of whatever tonight's excuses are, this team is legit. There is room on the bandwagon. Hop on in. Us slurpers will continue sharing the driving duties.
Yup. Been fun to watch the Chicken Littles all year. Their responses in the first few weeks of the season and the fire Wojo crap was such a effing joke, but consider the sources.
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Y'all, now is not the time. Now is the time for all MU fans to join in celebration
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No excuses anywhere tonight. Buffalo is really, really good and we were outstanding tonight. That's all there is to it.
Agreed. I've seen nothing but positive comments. Weird that anyone would try to stir the pot on such a good night...
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You may/may not have been the only person to do that.
Des Moines????
Minneapolis April 6-8 !!!!
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Very strong performance last night. They beat a good team and made it look easy in second half. Aside from Howard’s performance, I really like the toughness again tonight. Was a fun game to be at and looking forward to BE season to start.
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there is no doubt buffalo is a good team. the first 10 minutes or so showed this. at the time, it would have been hard to say, buffalo can't keep shooting like this.
1) it seemed our D was swarming too much to the ball, leaving at least one guy WIDE open. when they swung the ball, we had too many guys collapsing to the ball and we couldn't keep up with the ball movement.
2) we couldn't get a good 3 point look and we were off
3) wojo mad some changes in our D attack at about the ? 7-8-9 minute mark
4) the hustle was off the hustle charts-when announcer noticed one of the biggest guys on the floor was the guy diving on the floor for the loose balls(tribute to joey :D) ya know we wanted this game
5) our shots started to go in...and go in...and go in...and go in(thank you marky markus et.al.)
wojo became a man coach in this game-the players believed in him and went out and played their ca hones off. if we would have played like that against kansas, they would not be undefeated right now. but also, if we would have beat kansas, chances are we would not be playing the way we are now.
look back at one of my posts-the key to our season was not until about the midway point of the 2nd half of the presbyterian game following our ass kickin by indiana. we were down by 6 on our floor and i'll bet there were a few "seasoned" ticket holders writing their letters to bill scholl. we went on a 29-8 run to win by 19. we carried that into the 1st half of the kansas game-had a beer-fart(2nd half), beat louisville, k-state, wisco and have improved with each win
that is, when i believe our boys became men, including wojo. they are trusting the process!
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There are only so many excuses people can make for why we've now beaten 3 top 15 teams in the same calendar month for the 2nd time since 1977 (or maybe it's the 2nd time in program history?). Guessing tonight is Buffalo is overrated and not as good after seeing them in person, too small, we won't get as hot of a Markus this season, etc.
Regardless of whatever tonight's excuses are, this team is legit. There is room on the bandwagon. Hop on in. Us slurpers will continue sharing the driving duties.
Straw man
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I cheer for MU with every fiber in my body. But I can't give faux praise or say I see something that isn't there. After some early bumps, this team has earned the praise I always prefer giving. I'm excited like I haven't been in years. But I don't apologize for being skeptical after the IU and KU games. The team earned that skepticism, too.
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Spot on Lenny. Last night was a great step forward.
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Was at a Christmas party last night so wasn't able to watch. Avoided Internet/phone last night, woke up this AM to excitedly watch the game I set to record - but new to the DirecTV platform and apparently MU basketball wasn't on Number 1 on my Series Priority list..the game didn't f'in record.
So, ESPN highlights, recap. Markus went all-world! 24 consecutive points in the 2nd half. 40 points in the 2nd half alone? The degree of difficulty on some of those shots? Good Lord. Sublime talent can win a team a lot of games.
Huge win and it feels great to have strung 4 quality wins in a row.
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Was at a Christmas party last night so wasn't able to watch. Avoided Internet/phone last night, woke up this AM to excitedly watch the game I set to record - but new to the DirecTV platform and apparently MU basketball wasn't on Number 1 on my Series Priority list..the game didn't f'in record.
So, ESPN highlights, recap. Markus went all-world! 24 consecutive points in the 2nd half. 40 points in the 2nd half alone? The degree of difficulty on some of those shots? Good Lord. Sublime talent can win a team a lot of games.
Huge win and it feels great to have strung 4 quality wins in a row.
If you have it on DirecTV, you should be able to stream a replay from the internet.
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If you have it on DirecTV, you should be able to stream a replay from the internet.
Thank you for this. Was so excited to watch game this AM, and then to not have it there, and find out we won in what looked to be an incredible environment and a historic performance from Markus - total gut punch. Wanted to skip Christmas party so I could watch live.
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Was at a Christmas party last night so wasn't able to watch. Avoided Internet/phone last night, woke up this AM to excitedly watch the game I set to record - but new to the DirecTV platform and apparently MU basketball wasn't on Number 1 on my Series Priority list..the game didn't f'in record.
So, ESPN highlights, recap. Markus went all-world! 24 consecutive points in the 2nd half. 40 points in the 2nd half alone? The degree of difficulty on some of those shots? Good Lord. Sublime talent can win a team a lot of games.
Huge win and it feels great to have strung 4 quality wins in a row.
I feel your pain. I had to attend a double date cooking class...hey sometimes things happen. Big win! Hope to watch a replay in the next day or so
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Thank you for this. Was so excited to watch game this AM, and then to not have it there, and find out we won in what looked to be an incredible environment and a historic performance from Markus - total gut punch. Wanted to skip Christmas party so I could watch live.
Yep. We used to record games so that we could watch them again when we got home. You get a lot of info that you can't when you are at the game -I still need to watch and find out what the deal was with Theo's technical. But now I have figured out that I can watch the stream on my computer or on Roku, I don't do that any more.
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Yep. We used to record games so that we could watch them again when we got home. You get a lot of info that you can't when you are at the game -I still need to watch and find out what the deal was with Theo's technical. But now I have figured out that I can watch the stream on my computer or on Roku, I don't do that any more.
Theo screamed right in the guys face after his dunk. It is a pretty common technical.
YouTube is also a way that I’ve rewatched games.
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Yep. We used to record games so that we could watch them again when we got home. You get a lot of info that you can't when you are at the game -I still need to watch and find out what the deal was with Theo's technical. But now I have figured out that I can watch the stream on my computer or on Roku, I don't do that any more.
Theo screamed into the air...at first, which was fine. But, he took a slight inhale and the last part of the scream was clearly directed at the UB player. I think it was deserved (the technical, not the scream in the face).
I can't believe I just broke down a scream
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How predictable is this thread?
I WAS ALWAYZ ON THE BANDWAGON, YOU WERE NOT. SUCK IT, BEEF N CHEDDAR EATERS.
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We really stunk at IU, but the guy who scheduled our only true away game as the 2nd game of the season must have been asleep at the wheel. Even good teams struggle early in the season, but to throw our guys into the deep end of the other guy's pool that early in the season was an epic schedule fail. The difference between that game and this game was that both teams had 11 games under their belts and both were ready to play. We saw the real MU tonight.
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I feel your pain. I had to attend a double date cooking class...hey sometimes things happen. Big win! Hope to watch a replay in the next day or so
You need a new date. ;D
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Theo screamed into the air...at first, which was fine. But, he took a slight inhale and the last part of the scream was clearly directed at the UB player. I think it was deserved (the technical, not the scream in the face).
I can't believe I just broke down a scream
Is there a rule for dirty looks too?
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How predictable is this thread?
I WAS ALWAYZ ON THE BANDWAGON, YOU WERE NOT. SUCK IT, BEEF N CHEDDAR EATERS.
This is exactly what I was thinking. We reap what we sow. I was also thinking about this scene from the league
(https://media.giphy.com/media/KaZlzHWyFZRYY/giphy.gif)
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How predictable is this thread?
I WAS ALWAYZ ON THE BANDWAGON, YOU WERE NOT. SUCK IT, BEEF N CHEDDAR EATERS.
Very predicatable.
And very necessary. Hop on in!
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Very predicatable.
And very necessary. Hop on in!
NO, WE MUST PUNISH THE DOUBTERS WITH BEEF N CHEDDARS WITH NOT ENOUGH ARBYS SAUCE PACKETS.
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Very predicatable.
And very necessary. Hop on in!
Agree. If we have to stomach the BS fire Wojo crap for a few weeks, a heathy dose of go get bent and see what a little patience can do is in order.
It’s almost as if it takes 4 to 5 years to truly judge, especially if short cuts aren’t taken.
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Was at a Christmas party last night so wasn't able to watch. Avoided Internet/phone last night, woke up this AM to excitedly watch the game I set to record - but new to the DirecTV platform and apparently MU basketball wasn't on Number 1 on my Series Priority list..the game didn't f'in record.
So, ESPN highlights, recap. Markus went all-world! 24 consecutive points in the 2nd half. 40 points in the 2nd half alone? The degree of difficulty on some of those shots? Good Lord. Sublime talent can win a team a lot of games.
Huge win and it feels great to have strung 4 quality wins in a row.
How many things did you have recording at once? Satellite or OTT?
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Agree. If we have to stomach the BS fire Wojo crap for a few weeks, a heathy dose of go get bent and see what a little patience can do is in order.
It was entirely reasonable to watch MU take its first two tests and utterly fail them both with uncompetitive performances and think: here we go again .. Another Wojo squad that will fail to meet expectations, bad on defense, middle of a weak Big East once again.
At the time, with the on-court information we all saw -- plus multiple seasons of hisotry -- that was an entirely reasonable opinion.
Which of course begets this thread, those of the true believers who somehow had more keen basketball insight, more faith, needing to remind the disbelievers how they were so wrong.
It's a game. Sometimes you get the bear, sometimes the bear gets you.
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We really stunk at IU, but the guy who scheduled our only true away game as the 2nd game of the season must have been asleep at the wheel. Even good teams struggle early in the season, but to throw our guys into the deep end of the other guy's pool that early in the season was an epic schedule fail. The difference between that game and this game was that both teams had 11 games under their belts and both were ready to play. We saw the real MU tonight.
It was part of the Bi10/Big East challenge. We have nothing to do with that scheduling.
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It was entirely reasonable to watch MU take its first two tests and utterly fail them both with uncompetitive performances and think: here we go again .. Another Wojo squad that will fail to meet expectations, bad on defense, middle of a weak Big East once again.
At the time, with the on-court information we all saw -- plus multiple seasons of hisotry -- that was an entirely reasonable opinion.
Which of course begets this thread, those of the true believers who somehow had more keen basketball insight, more faith, needing to remind the disbelievers how they were so wrong.
It's a game. Sometimes you get the bear, sometimes the bear gets you.
I don’t think so. Playing at IU is a bitch, especially first road game. Where was the common sense reaction here? It wasn't. Then KU we are up at half, but of course most lose their minds because we lost to the #1 team with way more talent than us.
People can believe what they want, but i find it telling the barkers are no longer barking, they aren’t even here.....but they will come back after we stub our toe.
Can’t wait for the Va Tech vs MU NCAA game that will tear the fan base in two.....sigh.
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I cheer for MU with every fiber in my body. But I can't give faux praise or say I see something that isn't there. After some early bumps, this team has earned the praise I always prefer giving. I'm excited like I haven't been in years. But I don't apologize for being skeptical after the IU and KU games. The team earned that skepticism, too.
Well said, Bernstein. Quiet confidence tempered with a dose of realism makes the inevitable bumps less agonizing.
MU Hoops is important. But it hardly compares with the love of a good woman, the smile of a baby boy, or the gift of being an American. Perspective.
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How many things did you have recording at once? Satellite or OTT?
Believe there were only two other programs recording at the 7:00pm timeslot. I'm in a highrise building - DirecTV was only option for occupants. So, not sure if that makes for Satellite or OTT?
Do you know how many programs one can record simultaneously on DirecTv platform? (I came from Xfinity and as I recall could record 5 at a time.)
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It was entirely reasonable to watch MU take its first two tests and utterly fail them both with uncompetitive performances and think: here we go again .. Another Wojo squad that will fail to meet expectations, bad on defense, middle of a weak Big East once again.
At the time, with the on-court information we all saw -- plus multiple seasons of hisotry -- that was an entirely reasonable opinion.
Which of course begets this thread, those of the true believers who somehow had more keen basketball insight, more faith, needing to remind the disbelievers how they were so wrong.
It's a game. Sometimes you get the bear, sometimes the bear gets you.
Well said.
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Believe there were only two other programs recording at the 7:00pm timeslot. I'm in a highrise building - DirecTV was only option for occupants. So, not sure if that makes for Satellite or OTT?
Do you know how many programs one can record simultaneously on DirecTv platform? (I came from Xfinity and as I recall could record 5 at a time.)
As I recall it was five. I dropped them a couple years ago though.
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It was part of the Bi10/Big East challenge. We have nothing to do with that scheduling.
Agreed. And to be honest, while I’d of course love for MU to be undefeated and have won at IU, the reality is this team wasn’t going to go undefeated and getting punched in the mouth game 2 of the season might’ve been the best thing that could’ve happened to this team. They were not ready to go into a hostile environment and win. Had they played okay and IU played okay and MU most by 5 on the road, then the Kansas game goes the same way, who knows what the mindset of this team would’ve been and if the season would be going as it is right now? I have to think the at IU game opened some eyes on the team as to what high level basketball is and the intensity needed to compete there, and then the KU game opened some eyes as to what 20 minutes of fight is vs. what 40 minutes of fight is.
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Believe there were only two other programs recording at the 7:00pm timeslot. I'm in a highrise building - DirecTV was only option for occupants. So, not sure if that makes for Satellite or OTT?
Do you know how many programs one can record simultaneously on DirecTv platform? (I came from Xfinity and as I recall could record 5 at a time.)
Depends what you have. The HS17 box with 4K records 7 shows at once.
The HR44 or HR54 does 5, most folks have that.
You said you were in a high rise, that likely means you are on a central building wiring scheme and without knowing what your building did to wire it up, impossible to know what the limit might be.
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Was at a Christmas party last night so wasn't able to watch. Avoided Internet/phone last night, woke up this AM to excitedly watch the game I set to record - but new to the DirecTV platform and apparently MU basketball wasn't on Number 1 on my Series Priority list..the game didn't f'in record.
So, ESPN highlights, recap. Markus went all-world! 24 consecutive points in the 2nd half. 40 points in the 2nd half alone? The degree of difficulty on some of those shots? Good Lord. Sublime talent can win a team a lot of games.
Huge win and it feels great to have strung 4 quality wins in a row.
A few on this site recommended playstation vue a few years ago...possibly the best info I've ever gotten off of scoop. In all seriousness...much better functions than direct tv now...I love it.
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Depends what you have. The HS17 box with 4K records 7 shows at once.
The HR44 or HR54 does 5, most folks have that.
You said you were in a high rise, that likely means you are on a central building wiring scheme and without knowing what your building did to wire it up, impossible to know what the limit might be.
We could only record 2 shows at once when we had DTV less then a year ago.
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https://www.midmajormadness.com/platform/amp/2018/12/22/18152827/marquette-buffalo-game-recap-final-score-markus-howard-nate-oats?__twitter_impression=true
Love the end.......Markus is such a class act.
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Agreed. And to be honest, while I’d of course love for MU to be undefeated and have won at IU, the reality is this team wasn’t going to go undefeated and getting punched in the mouth game 2 of the season might’ve been the best thing that could’ve happened to this team. They were not ready to go into a hostile environment and win. Had they played okay and IU played okay and MU most by 5 on the road, then the Kansas game goes the same way, who knows what the mindset of this team would’ve been and if the season would be going as it is right now? I have to think the at IU game opened some eyes on the team as to what high level basketball is and the intensity needed to compete there, and then the KU game opened some eyes as to what 20 minutes of fight is vs. what 40 minutes of fight is.
I was thinking this exact same thing, wades.
What this team will become will be shaped by everything that happens in the season. Perhaps without those two disappointments, gut-check wins over Louisville and Wisconsin and Buffalo don't happen.
As for this thread ...
I fully admit I'm doing some crowing now, and yes I'm sure it was predictable.
I can't claim I knew we'd be this good, but I was optimistic about it. I like going through life optimistically. I can't imagine being a person whose knee-jerk reaction to most things is negativity.
My main (Arby's) beef ('n Cheddar) is that people are so willing to bash. Some of the comments after the Louisville game were as stupefying (if not moreso) than the ones after the losses. People seem to not want to believe. Maybe if you don't get too attached -- or better yet, if you rip -- you don't feel so burned later if things go bad? Is that it?
Not to call out just one Scooper, but where's muguru today? The guy who likes to give "or else" ultimatums, as if he has the power to do anything about it if we lose, is now in Cricketsville. The guy who pretends he's a better fan than others because he "expects" more. Cricketsville. That's part of what wades and I want to know. OK, rip away when we struggle if that's what turns you on, but where are you to actually feel good about something?
I truly feel sorry for people who cannot get joy out of a victory like yesterday's or about the trajectory this team is on. I would hate to go through life being joyless, especially over something as unimportant (in the big picture) as sports.
We Are Marquette!
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We could only record 2 shows at once when we had DTV less then a year ago.
The HR34 has been around since 2012 and has 5 shows at once capability. Not sure what system you had or how it was wired, but we have had that technology for a long long time.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wired.com/2012/10/directv-genie-dvr/amp
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Is Guru still around?
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Not to call out just one Scooper, but where's muguru today? The guy who likes to give "or else" ultimatums, as if he has the power to do anything about it if we lose, is now in Cricketsville. The guy who pretends he's a better fan than others because he "expects" more. Cricketsville. That's part of what wades and I want to know. OK, rip away when we struggle if that's what turns you on, but where are you to actually feel good about something?
Same question as me. He hasn't said anything since December 8th, but logged in at 1:30 this morning if you click on his profile. Why cannot people say they were wrong, enjoy what we are doing and embrace what is going on. Stubborness?
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Same question as me. He hasn't said anything since December 8th, but logged in at 1:30 this morning if you click on his profile. Why cannot people say they were wrong, enjoy what we are doing and embrace what is going on. Stubborness?
Well, I don't care enough to click on anybody's profile, as I'm not into stalking. But yeah.
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My main (Arby's) beef ('n Cheddar) is that people are so willing to bash. Some of the comments after the Louisville game were as stupefying (if not moreso) than the ones after the losses. People seem to not want to believe. Maybe if you don't get too attached -- or better yet, if you rip -- you don't feel so burned later if things go bad? Is that it?
I was critical after those games because of how familiar the trends felt. I'm glad to see this reversal of fortune and can't understand any MU fan not enjoying this and crediting the staff for the turnaround. And as good as Markus was last night, coaching mattered in that game significantly. It wasn't just a one man show.
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I feel your pain. I had to attend a double date cooking class...hey sometimes things happen. Big win! Hope to watch a replay in the next day or so
Wow.......dude.
We had our company Xmas party on Dec 8th. I said sorry haven’t missed a MU/UW game (home or road) in 10 years. Not gonna start now for an Xmas party.
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https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/1076540332492423169?s=21
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Wow.......dude.
We had our company Xmas party on Dec 8th. I said sorry haven’t missed a MU/UW game (home or road) in 10 years. Not gonna start now for an Xmas party.
Man card revoked - lol!
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Well, I don't care enough to click on anybody's profile, as I'm not into stalking. But yeah.
what's he a "guru" of? "stalking"? betcha wouldn't have responded that way to one of your buds. i look at it more as opposition research though ;)
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Man card revoked - lol!
yes, that and the cooking class. i guess it coulda been worse... like a sewing class
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All was predicted in the Golden Power Point. Those that believed early are being rewarded. Those that are just believing now are just as welcome. Even one of the apostles needed to see in order to believe.
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yes, that and the cooking class. i guess it coulda been worse... like a sewing class
Some guys wear panties on their head. Other guys wear panties.
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All was predicted in the Golden Power Point. Those that believed early are being rewarded. Those that are just believing now are just as welcome. Even one of the apostles needed to see in order to believe.
Actually everyone is being rewarded regardless of belief.
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Actually that OT win over Louisville was the game the team actually believed they could win a competitive game. Coming from behind and taking that game into overtime showed that they can be tough especially after that stinker half against Kansas.
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I cheer for MU with every fiber in my body. But I can't give faux praise or say I see something that isn't there. After some early bumps, this team has earned the praise I always prefer giving. I'm excited like I haven't been in years. But I don't apologize for being skeptical after the IU and KU games. The team earned that skepticism, too.
I mostly agree with this.
Indiana was a debacle, start to finish. No way to sugarcoat it. Played soft and scared.
But, against Kansas we were an equal or better team for 30 minutes out of 40. The Kansas and Louisville games made me go back to my earlier belief that this is a good enough team to win the BE.
We are a solid Top 20 team until proven otherwise.
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Actually everyone is being rewarded regardless of belief.
That's what I said Brother Frenn. All are equally welcome in the victory brought by our Polish Prophet! The true believers, the beef and cheddar eaters, band members, and high school dunkers, all bask in the golden light of the most holy of power points.
Except fans of the rodent and ND (sucks), they are not welcome in paradise
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Des Moines????
Minneapolis April 6-8 !!!!
Ugh... even the Bloomington hotels have blacked out the entire week in their reservation book.
$225/nt at Mystic 4/5-4/9
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We can never be critical of this team from here on out because we beat 3 teams ranked in the top 15 in non conference play. From here on out it must be nothing but sunshine and rainbows. Everyone stfu and bow down to wades...
But seriously, there is always going to be highs and lows, this board exists to talk about both. The fact that some posters think this team didn’t have serious flaws early in the season is laughable. Glad to see the coaching has improved and the boys are playing at a very high level.
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Ugh... even the Bloomington hotels have blacked out the entire week in their reservation book.
$225/nt at Mystic 4/5-4/9
That's why I have already secured a spot on Chili's foldout couch. ;D
And I hear JB is turning his house into a brothel for the weekend.
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After Villanova lost to both Furman and Penn my stance went from being 2nd to winning the thing outright. This has nothing to do with Marquette playing better or worse than expected but Nova getting more losses in Conference than I thought so originally.
This Marquette team is damn good and I would take it over the E8 team for 2013 even if we don't make it that far. I have been saying since the K-state game that this team will end up with a 2-3 seed in the NCAA tournament. The only think this team has yet to prove is that they can win on the road. They had 1 test so far and bombed it at Indiana but most teams would have there.
I think 15-3 in conference and winning big east gives them a 2 with an outside of a 1. Everyone can call me crazy but we have so many pure shooters on this team we are going to be hard to stop
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"And I hear JB is turning his house into a brothel for the weekend."
i heard the cheerleader themed ones go over pretty well around these extravaganzas eyn'a? the foldout couch is an efficient use of space too ;) but can be a little more taxing on the smalls of the back, lumbar and cervical regions as reported by the increase in the demands by regional chiropractic visits.
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That's why I have already secured a spot on Chili's foldout couch. ;D
And I hear JB is turning his house into a brothel for the weekend.
Just for the weekend?
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That's why I have already secured a spot on Chili's foldout couch. ;D
And I hear JB is turning his house into a brothel for the weekend.
Thank god my cousin and his family and my aunt and uncle now live in Minneapolis, free lodging AND I can claim it as a family trip
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We can never be critical of this team from here on out because we beat 3 teams ranked in the top 15 in non conference play. From here on out it must be nothing but sunshine and rainbows. Everyone stfu and bow down to wades...
But seriously, there is always going to be highs and lows, this board exists to talk about both. The fact that some posters think this team didn’t have serious flaws early in the season is laughable. Glad to see the coaching has improved and the boys are playing at a very high level.
Lol always love the tough guy.
People whine and cry and then when they’re proven wrong they can’t take it.
Laughable? The team got smoked in their first true road game playing in a top 3 toughest place to play in the country and then lost to the top ranked team in the country on a neutral site and people were claiming nothing has changed and year 5 is done, we can put a fork in Wojo. Yup, 5 games in and our season was over. Talk about laughable.
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This team is probably going to enter conference play at 11-2. I do not expect the rest of the season to be seashells and balloons. MU is 1-2 away from the Fiserv Forum. MU has to play 9 games on the road in conference. The Big East is not the gauntlet it has been the last few years but I still think that expecting >4 road conference wins is a stretch.
11-2 is where a lot of people thought this team would be. No need to gloat. If it had gone south, I would have criticized Wojo. I just did not think that a loss at Assembly Hall or a neutral floor loss to Kansas was so traumatic and dramatic to require torches and pitchforks. If MU had gone 0-fer against the high majors, I could see it.
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This team is probably going to enter conference play at 11-2. I do not expect the rest of the season to be seashells and balloons. MU is 1-2 away from the Fiserv Forum. MU has to play 9 games on the road in conference. The Big East is not the gauntlet it has been the last few years but I still think that expecting >4 road conference wins is a stretch.
11-2 is where a lot of people thought this team would be. No need to gloat. If it had gone south, I would have criticized Wojo. I just did not think that a loss at Assembly Hall or a neutral floor loss to Kansas was so traumatic and dramatic to require torches and pitchforks. If MU had gone 0-fer against the high majors, I could see it.
Greater than 4 road conferences losses? To who?
I got DePaul, Creighton, X, Seton Hall, Georgetown, and Providence as wins right now and honestly I think we probably beat SJU.
Only Nova and Butler I’m less confident about, and only because Butler has been a house of horrors for Marquette.
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Lol always love the tough guy.
People whine and cry and then when they’re proven wrong they can’t take it.
Laughable? The team got smoked in their first true road game playing in a top 3 toughest place to play in the country and then lost to the top ranked team in the country on a neutral site and people were claiming nothing has changed and year 5 is done, we can put a fork in Wojo. Yup, 5 games in and our season was over. Talk about laughable.
What's laughable is your allegiance to Kansas being the Top team in the country. Archie Miller no doubt is doing a great job in Year 2 at Indiana, yet he was only able to coach them to a 2-point victory over Northwestern at home, and a 1-point win over Louisville.
Look, I know its been an incredibly long time for you to have some legitimate optimism over Wojo being able to actually get the job done - 4.5 years - yet we are 30 in Pomeroy. There are guys like Archie at 22 in Year 2, and Buzz at Number 9 at a program that was a true rebuild with not basketball tradition.
Fact is the job turned in thus far has been so mediocre, that the start to this season has us ecstatic because it has been such a slow climb.
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What's laughable is your allegiance to Kansas being the Top team in the country. Archie Miller no doubt is doing a great job in Year 2 at Indiana, yet he was only able to coach them to a 2-point victory over Northwestern at home, and a 1-point win over Louisville.
Look, I know its been an incredibly long time for you to have some legitimate optimism over Wojo being able to actually get the job done - 4.5 years - yet we are 30 in Pomeroy. There are guys like Archie at 22 in Year 2, and Buzz at Number 9 at a program that was a true rebuild with not basketball tradition.
Fact is the job turned in thus far has been so mediocre, that the start to this season has us ecstatic because it has been such a slow climb.
Have you ever considered that one of the reasons it took this long is because Wojo has been committed to doing this in a sustainable way with kids the university is proud to have as representatives? That's exactly what the university wanted. The days of covered up sexual assaults was OVER. Even if it meant a long dry spell. The university recommitted itself to its primary mission over the sugar rush of momentary success. Buzz had committed to giving the underprivileged a helping hand. Was that genuine or simply a convenient means to an end? We will never really know. Most of those kids were great but some where not. That was ending big time. And for those who value winning over ALL else and at ANY costs, disappointment was sure to follow.
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What's laughable is your allegiance to Kansas being the Top team in the country. Archie Miller no doubt is doing a great job in Year 2 at Indiana, yet he was only able to coach them to a 2-point victory over Northwestern at home, and a 1-point win over Louisville.
Look, I know its been an incredibly long time for you to have some legitimate optimism over Wojo being able to actually get the job done - 4.5 years - yet we are 30 in Pomeroy. There are guys like Archie at 22 in Year 2, and Buzz at Number 9 at a program that was a true rebuild with not basketball tradition.
Fact is the job turned in thus far has been so mediocre, that the start to this season has us ecstatic because it has been such a slow climb.
<shrug> I was legitimately optimistic the moment he landed Henry.
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Have you ever considered that one of the reasons it took this long is because Wojo has been committed to doing this in a sustainable way with kids the university is proud to have as representatives? That's exactly what the university wanted. The days of covered up sexual assaults was OVER. Even if it meant a long dry spell. The university recommitted itself to its primary mission over the sugar rush of momentary success. Buzz had committed to giving the underprivileged a helping hand. Was that genuine or simply a convenient means to an end? We will never really know. Most of those kids were great but some where not. That was ending big time. And for those who value winning over ALL else and at ANY costs, disappointment was sure to follow.
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Well done jsglow! "That's exactly what the university wanted" and that's exactly what we have with a talented winning team as a bonus.
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Actually that OT win over Louisville was the game the team actually believed they could win a competitive game. Coming from behind and taking that game into overtime showed that they can be tough especially after that stinker half against Kansas.
MU is 9-2 in OT games in the Wojo era........they lost the first 2 in his first season......and have won 9 in a row since......
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MU is 9-2 in OT games in the Wojo era........they lost the first 2 in his first season......and have won 9 in a row since......
That is an impressive stat.
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Sorry about the previously screwed placement of the post. Will try again.
Well done jsglow! "That's exactly what the university wanted" and that's exactly what we have, along with a talented winning team as a bonus.
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MU is 9-2 in OT games in the Wojo era........they lost the first 2 in his first season......and have won 9 in a row since......
Wow—that’s a pretty wild stat.
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Wow—that’s a pretty wild stat.
Looking forward to Ners telling us how it has nothing to do with coaching! Different players.......different opponents....different venues.....only 1 constant.....
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Come on topper. Really?
The mods on this site are amazing. And everyone has their opinions. But why criticize this thread? Any loss or close win and the fire Wojo talk gets going.
Are we not allowed to say “hey for the last 3 years a constant 15 posters only post and Bitch and complain and talk about how much we suck!” But those of us who have always had faith or atleast more optimistic than not can’t have a positive thread?
Agreed, the whiners are long gone. But when we lose to a solid butler game or something later it’ll be fire Wojo all over again.
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I'm with Topper. We just got a big win and seem to be in for a special season. I'd rather celebrate with all Marquette fans. Victory is a dish best shared with others.
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Have you ever considered that one of the reasons it took this long is because Wojo has been committed to doing this in a sustainable way with kids the university is proud to have as representatives? That's exactly what the university wanted. The days of covered up sexual assaults was OVER. Even if it meant a long dry spell. The university recommitted itself to its primary mission over the sugar rush of momentary success. Buzz had committed to giving the underprivileged a helping hand. Was that genuine or simply a convenient means to an end? We will never really know. Most of those kids were great but some where not. That was ending big time. And for those who value winning over ALL else and at ANY costs, disappointment was sure to follow.
Yup
It’s almost as if it takes four or five years to do it and do it right, no shortcuts. Sure, there are ways to cut corners, but I love the way we are doing this. Damn proud of it. All it takes is a little patience.
4 to 5 years...
Hmm....A wise man once said this.
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Laughable? The team got smoked in their first true road game playing in a top 3 toughest place to play in the country.
??? Assembly Hall is the 3rd toughest place to play in the country? Based on what metric? Indiana lost 6 games there last season (including a 21 point loss to Indiana St and a 20 point loss to Purdue - Ft Wayne) and 5 the year before.
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??? Assembly Hall is the 3rd toughest place to play in the country? Based on what metric? Indiana lost 6 games there last season (including a 21 point loss to Indiana St and a 20 point loss to Purdue - Ft Wayne) and 5 the year before.
Not always about wins, the statement was toughest place to place. You can win a game on the road and it still be a bear.
SI this year said Assembly Hall 5th toughest in America.
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??? Assembly Hall is the 3rd toughest place to play in the country? Based on what metric? Indiana lost 6 games there last season (including a 21 point loss to Indiana St and a 20 point loss to Purdue - Ft Wayne) and 5 the year before.
Here’s a list of the longest home winning streaks heading into the college basketball season, longest at the top.
South Dakota State
Houston
College of Charleston
Montana
Utah Valley
St. Boneventure
North Carolina A&T
Buffalo
Nebraska
Sorry Lenny, but if you think those are the toughest places to play in America there’s nothing I can say to help you.
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What's laughable is your allegiance to Kansas being the Top team in the country. Archie Miller no doubt is doing a great job in Year 2 at Indiana, yet he was only able to coach them to a 2-point victory over Northwestern at home, and a 1-point win over Louisville.
Look, I know its been an incredibly long time for you to have some legitimate optimism over Wojo being able to actually get the job done - 4.5 years - yet we are 30 in Pomeroy. There are guys like Archie at 22 in Year 2, and Buzz at Number 9 at a program that was a true rebuild with not basketball tradition.
Fact is the job turned in thus far has been so mediocre, that the start to this season has us ecstatic because it has been such a slow climb.
Sheesh you’re obsessed with the transitive property! Hilarious. Bet your WIAA HOF head coach was all about talking about how your upcoming opponents beat or lost to someone you had already played by so many points.
Whatever helps you sleep at night Ners. Point is there’s plenty of room for you on the bandwagon. It’d be a good time to hop on in because this team is for real. But you’re too hard headed and try to write off any success to actually sit back and enjoy it. No skin off my back. Pretty entertaining to be honest. You just look dumber and dumber, and scream louder and louder about how smart you are when it comes to basketball. I’ve come to learn that almost anytime someone proclaims how smart they are, they’re usually not very smart. They are, however, always very insecure.
The fact that you’d rather pick the metric we’re ranked lowest in and cry about that rather than admit you were wrong and Wojo has this program right where the slurping band members predicted all along is pretty sad. But that’s alright. You still have VT to root for!
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Here’s a list of the longest home winning streaks heading into the college basketball season, longest at the top.
South Dakota State
Houston
College of Charleston
Montana
Utah Valley
St. Boneventure
North Carolina A&T
Buffalo
Nebraska
Sorry Lenny, but if you think those are the toughest places to play in America there’s nothing I can say to help you.
Where did I say anything about longest current (or past) home floor winning streaks?
You make stuff up (like Virginia with a 6 point lead = Kansas/Duke with a 20 point lead or Indiana is the third toughest place to play in college basketball) off the top of your head and when you get called on it for the bull that it is you move the goal posts. LOL
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Where did I say anything about longest current (or past) home floor winning streaks?
You make stuff up (like Virginia with a 6 point lead = Kansas/Duke with a 20 point lead or Indiana is the third toughest place to play in college basketball) off the top of your head and when you get called on it for the bull that it is you move the goal posts. LOL
Well I kind of figured when you brought up home losses, home winning streaks would be considered. Hmm...
So home losses are how you want to quantify it. But winning streaks don’t matter. So how many games back are we going to go to look at how many home losses a team has had, because all of those teams have 0 home losses for an extended period of time, so...
What goalposts are being moved? I say IU is a top 3 toughest place to go into and win. You say number of home losses is how to quantify that. When I point out the teams who haven’t lost at home in forever you claim that’s not how to quantify it. Who’s shifting the goalposts, again?
LOL indeed.
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Well I kind of figured when you brought up home losses, home winning streaks would be considered. Hmm...
??? Why?
So, again, what were the FACTS that you based your declaration on? Hmmm... Why not just admit the truth? You pulled a number out of you arse and it sounded good.
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How about we just say Assembly Hall and s a tough place to play and move on?
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SI ranks Assembly Hall the 5th hardest place to play.
https://amp.si.com/college-basketball/2018/09/20/toughest-arenas-places-play-college-hoops
ESPN ranks it the toughest in the Big 10
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/17124583/big-ten-venues-ranked-according-difficulty
Super subjective, obviously, but suggesting IU is a very tough place to play doesn't seem outrageous.
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How about we just say Assembly Hall and s a tough place to play and move on?
Everyone who follows basketball would have stipulated to that. That's nowhere near what Wades said.
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Everyone who follows basketball would have stipulated to that. That's nowhere near what Wades said.
Arguing the same point forever isn't my idea of a good time.....was just looking for away to move on to other topics without either of you having to admit fault......
Oh well I tried....
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Arguing the same point forever isn't my idea of a good time.....was just looking for away to move on to other topics without either of you having to admit fault......
Oh well I tried....
Valiant effort. I like where your head's at.
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Super subjective, obviously, but suggesting IU is a very tough place to play doesn't seem outrageous.
Who said it was? On the contrary, I think it would be outrageous to suggest that it wasn't a tough place to play. But that isn't anything like what Wades stated.
Would anyone argue, for example, that Michigan St has a very good basketball program? Doubtful. Stating that they have the third best basketball program in the country, though? I don't think so, and I don't think it would be outrageous to ask someone how they came up with what appears to be an illogical number.
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Who said it was? On the contrary, I think it would be outrageous to suggest that it wasn't a tough place to play. But that isn't anything like what Wades stated.
Would anyone argue, for example, that Michigan St has a very good basketball program? Doubtful. Stating that they have the third best basketball program in the country, though? I don't think so, and I don't think it would be outrageous to ask someone how they came up with what appears to be an illogical number.
Just breathe....
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Arguing the same point forever isn't my idea of a good time.....was just looking for away to move on to other topics without either of you having to admit fault......
Oh well I tried....
They're still arguing the merits of a guy who hasn't coached a game for Marquette in 57 months.
Relative to that, arguing the difficulty of playing at IU is refreshing.
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They're still arguing the merits of a guy who hasn't coached a game for Marquette in 57 months.
Relative to that, arguing the difficulty of playing at IU is refreshing.
I knew Chico had multiple personalities here but I didn't know "Wadesworld" was one of them. This explains everything!
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??? Why?
So, again, what were the FACTS that you based your declaration on? Hmmm... Why not just admit the truth? You pulled a number out of you arse and it sounded good.
The rankings of toughest places to play are FACTUAL?! Lol! This is truly unbelievable.
Ask any media person in the country to list the 5 toughest places to play in basketball and Assembly Hall is in just about every one of them, along with Phog Allen and Cameron. Maybe Rupp is in there as well, so sorry, I should've said top 4.
Please, for my own education, FACTUALLY list the top 3 toughest places in America to play.
PS Good idea to ignore the rest of the post. You realized who was really shifting goalposts (you) and cut out the other 2/3 of the post.
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Sheesh you’re obsessed with the transitive property! Hilarious. Bet your WIAA HOF head coach was all about talking about how your upcoming opponents beat or lost to someone you had already played by so many points.
Whatever helps you sleep at night Ners. Point is there’s plenty of room for you on the bandwagon. It’d be a good time to hop on in because this team is for real. But you’re too hard headed and try to write off any success to actually sit back and enjoy it. No skin off my back. Pretty entertaining to be honest. You just look dumber and dumber, and scream louder and louder about how smart you are when it comes to basketball. I’ve come to learn that almost anytime someone proclaims how smart they are, they’re usually not very smart. They are, however, always very insecure.
The fact that you’d rather pick the metric we’re ranked lowest in and cry about that rather than admit you were wrong and Wojo has this program right where the slurping band members predicted all along is pretty sad. But that’s alright. You still have VT to root for!
I enjoyed the win tremendously Wades. I don't want to see MU fail. This is the first time in Wojo's tenure I'm legitimately encouraged and optimistic. I've been complimentary of late.
This does not change my opinion that he'd done a mediocre job at best up to this season, nor that he didn't make numerous mistakes his first few seasons.
We stand a chance to be really good next year. Things are looking good. It does feel great to be excited again about MU basketball.
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I enjoyed the win tremendously Wades. I don't want to see MU fail. This is the first time in Wojo's tenure I'm legitimately encouraged and optimistic. I've been complimentary of late.
This does not change my opinion that he'd done a mediocre job at best up to this season, nor that he didn't make numerous mistakes his first few seasons.
We stand a chance to be really good next year. Things are looking good. It does feel great to be excited again about MU basketball.
Fair enough. Wojo has not been perfect, but to me there was nothing suggesting he wasn’t building to this point.
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I knew Chico had multiple personalities here but I didn't know "Wadesworld" was one of them. This explains everything!
Nice try....nope. You are a great poster and a smart guy, but you looking bad on this one abkut IU and claiming I am Wades. Take the loss, fight another day. We get it, you love Buzz. He gone. New coach, doing pretty damn well without the drama off the court. Let’s get behind the team.
Merry Christmas
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Fair enough. Wojo has not been perfect, but to me there was nothing suggesting he wasn’t building to this point.
Fair enough. Those of you who have been most supportive have always preached patience and the 5-year Power Point/plan.
I just felt we could have been better/should have been a little better than what we’ve achieved thus far, and that the inherited situation was not as dire as some in your camp felt. Wojo has improved as a coach without question since Years 1&2.
Have a nice Christmas.
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Fair enough. Wojo has not been perfect, but to me there was nothing suggesting he wasn’t building to this point.
I think it's worth noting that while this is the team that should be able to compete, the emergence of the star power in the 2016 recruiting class has made this year an inflection point and next year a peak.
86.1% of minutes played and 93.3% of points scored thus far returns next year. To me, this season has a 2001-02 feeling and next year looks like 2002-03.
It's hard to look at how quickly this season has turned for the better and not be excited that this is essentially the first 12 games of hopefully 75-80 with a virtually unchanged roster.
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Come on topper. Really?
The mods on this site are amazing. And everyone has their opinions. But why criticize this thread? Any loss or close win and the fire Wojo talk gets going.
Are we not allowed to say “hey for the last 3 years a constant 15 posters only post and Bitch and complain and talk about how much we suck!” But those of us who have always had faith or atleast more optimistic than not can’t have a positive thread?
Agreed, the whiners are long gone. But when we lose to a solid butler game or something later it’ll be fire Wojo all over again.
Firstly .. clearly, editorially the policy is to allow all things MU. As for having a "positive" thread .. it did start that way .. but comments about the "chicken littles" and "fire wojo crap" appeared quickly. That's not positive, that's recrimination from people who have been waiting for the day they could express their greater faith over others.
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I think it's worth noting that while this is the team that should be able to compete, the emergence of the star power in the 2016 recruiting class has made this year an inflection point and next year a peak.
86.1% of minutes played and 93.3% of points scored thus far returns next year. To me, this season has a 2001-02 feeling and next year looks like 2002-03.
It's hard to look at how quickly this season has turned for the better and not be excited that this is essentially the first 12 games of hopefully 75-80 with a virtually unchanged roster.
Yes, it’s very exciting to see the promise for next year given this year. We could lose Markus if he gets consistent...but in general new guys and Greg fill gaps in this years group and we only lose Matt otherwise. It could be a great year next year.
But I’m generally not a next year guy. I know we’re all enjoying this ride.
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Yes, it’s very exciting to see the promise for next year given this year. We could lose Markus if he gets consistent...but in general new guys and Greg fill gaps in this years group and we only lose Matt otherwise. It could be a great year next year.
But I’m generally not a next year guy. I know we’re all enjoying this ride.
And Chart.
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Lol always love the tough guy.
People whine and cry and then when they’re proven wrong they can’t take it.
Laughable? The team got smoked in their first true road game playing in a top 3 toughest place to play in the country
Pure horsesh1t. The only thing laughable is your “analysis.”
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Last year I felt we were going to be 3rd in the Big East and make it to the second weekend of the tournament. We got to the second weekend but just the wrong tournament. I felt this year we would have a similar trajectory. So I am delighted to see where the team is right now. The team is playing well and we control our own destiny now that we got through the non conference in good shape. Kudos to the coaching staff . Hopefully we can continue this pace the rest of the season.
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Pure horsesh1t. The only thing laughable is your “analysis.”
Lol. Your analysis is always amazing keefer.
Hilarious.
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Nice try....nope. You are a great poster and a smart guy, but you looking bad on this one abkut IU and claiming I am Wades. Take the loss, fight another day. We get it, you love Buzz. He gone. New coach, doing pretty damn well without the drama off the court. Let’s get behind the team.
Merry Christmas
1. I'm looking bad saying it's BS that Assembly Hall isn't and hasn't been one of the three toughest places to play for at least the last 20+years? LOL. Look at the facts (where IU's home record ranks among the majors over that span) and get back to me.
2.I didn't claim you were Wades. Pakuni said Wades and I had been arguing about Buzz for 57 months. I assume he meant you and me. My joke about it should have been obvious.
3. WTF? I never mentioned Buzz. Pakuni did. And you did. Cheap shot.
4. Let's get behind the team? I've never been anywhere but firmly behind all Marquette teams since my freshman year in 1966-67. Your the one who called our players choking dogs, not me.
Merry Christmas.
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In before the Christmas lock.
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I'm not sticking up for anyone's numbers, but since I think defining home court advantage is an interesting topic. Kenpom has Indiana ranked 19th (or tied for 12th with 4.0 HCA). Marquette at 72 (tied for 64th at 3.6, but @ BC).
Most interesting is the top 4 though...Hawaii (travel time, teams think it's vacation) - makes sense. Denver (altitude) - makes sense. LSU, huh? West Virginia, huh?
Following on, Arkanasa, Missouri, Iowa, Alabama, Baylor. BENNY! Get on this to make sure they thunderdome has whatever makes these places HCA's. Weber State (Dee Dome #89 / 3.5 HCA) is below even the BC!
https://kenpom.com/blog/mining-point-spread-data-home-court-advantage/
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Last year I felt we were going to be 3rd in the Big East and make it to the second weekend of the tournament. We got to the second weekend but just the wrong tournament. I felt this year we would have a similar trajectory. So I am delighted to see where the team is right now. The team is playing well and we control our own destiny now that we got through the non conference in good shape. Kudos to the coaching staff . Hopefully we can continue this pace the rest of the season.
You sticking with your stance that wojo cannot motivate his pLayers?
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I'm not sticking up for anyone's numbers, but since I think defining home court advantage is an interesting topic. Kenpom has Indiana ranked 19th (or tied for 12th with 4.0 HCA). Marquette at 72 (tied for 64th at 3.6, but @ BC).
Most interesting is the top 4 though...Hawaii (travel time, teams think it's vacation) - makes sense. Denver (altitude) - makes sense. LSU, huh? West Virginia, huh?
Following on, Arkanasa, Missouri, Iowa, Alabama, Baylor. BENNY! Get on this to make sure they thunderdome has whatever makes these places HCA's. Weber State (Dee Dome #89 / 3.5 HCA) is below even the BC!
https://kenpom.com/blog/mining-point-spread-data-home-court-advantage/
Kenpom says 19, Wades says 1, 2 or 3. Science vs a random number. Hmmm...
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Kenpom says 19, Wades says 1, 2 or 3. Science vs a random number. Hmmm...
Science. Lol.
Hawaii, Denver, LSU, Arkansas, MIZZOU, Bama. All better than Kansas and Duke hey? Some science there!
Maybe Trump is right. Global warming is fake news.
Good stuff as always Lenny. Your knowledge never fails to entertain. LOL!
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We really stunk at IU, but the guy who scheduled our only true away game as the 2nd game of the season must have been asleep at the wheel. Even good teams struggle early in the season, but to throw our guys into the deep end of the other guy's pool that early in the season was an epic schedule fail. The difference between that game and this game was that both teams had 11 games under their belts and both were ready to play. We saw the real MU tonight.
Was at the IU game and while not great it was not terrible after the first 5 minutes. Unfortunately Markus threw the ball to tge wrong team about 6 times in a row to start the game. Also the game was part of the Gavitt Games the rest of the BE and much of the B10 had the same incompitent scheduler
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So here's some Lenny's logic for us all. IU, in season 1 of a transition to a new coach and playing in the Big Ten, lost 6 games at home last season so it can't possibly be a top 3 toughest place to play in America. In fact, there's no debate, it's exactly the 19th toughest place in the country to play.
But, as factually proven by science, Hawaii is THE toughest place in America to play. You know, Hawaii, the team that lost SEVEN home games last season while playing in the Big West Conference.
You cannot make this stuff up. Never change Lenny.
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The Ken Pom analysis is based on betting lines. Thus, if a team is favored to lose by a bunch, but able to not lose by quite as much as the spread, or covers on the other side, that’s how he determined home court advantage. Wow, lots of holes with that and he even says there are many ways to do this, he just chose that approach. Betting lines. Yikes.
Toughest place to play doesn’t mean always winning either. Rutgers is notorious as a crap program, but playing at the RAC is a tough place to play. Same for at Carnesecca at SJU, doesn’t mean they win all the time, but it’s a tougher place to play. Why is this so hard for people?
As for IU, I’ve had the privilege because of my job to probably be at 100 arenas in the last 25 years....Duke, KU, UL, IU, UCLA, UNC, Georgia Tech, MSU, MIchigan, and so many others. Yes, I would say IU is one of the toughest places to play. Top 3? Who knows. I do know from roughly 2012 to 2017 they were second in the nation in beating ranked teams, the vast majority of which were at Assembly Hall. Even when they lost you were usually in a dog fight. The last 20 years comment somehow escaped the fact that they had the second most wins over ranked teams in 6 of the last 8 years.....kind of a strange comment LT.
St Mary’s is a tough place to play at, they don’t always win at home. Utah State, the same. At Wisconsin the same. Tough places to play.
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1. I'm looking bad saying it's BS that Assembly Hall isn't and hasn't been one of the three toughest places to play for at least the last 20+years? LOL. Look at the facts (where IU's home record ranks among the majors over that span) and get back to me.
2.I didn't claim you were Wades. Pakuni said Wades and I had been arguing about Buzz for 57 months. I assume he meant you and me. My joke about it should have been obvious.
3. WTF? I never mentioned Buzz. Pakuni did. And you did. Cheap shot.
4. Let's get behind the team? I've never been anywhere but firmly behind all Marquette teams since my freshman year in 1966-67. Your the one who called our players choking dogs, not me.
Merry Christmas.
Yes, you did. It’s ok, Buzz was a great coach, but he’s gone. You guys used to get on me for defending TC, the irony as so many of you do the same damn thing with Buzz. Do you not recognize it? Seriously, move on.
Amen. We have some awesome shooters but we ONLY look like a good team when our shots are falling. To me that's not the mark of a well coached team. Buzz had some clunkers (all coached do) but his teams won a lot of games a lot of different ways. Comical when folks try to compare his coaching acumen to Wojo's.
And Merry Christmas to you to....seriously. I mean that to all of you. Life is short. Have fun, let’s enjoy what we have.
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Arguing the same point forever isn't my idea of a good time.....was just looking for away to move on to other topics without either of you having to admit fault......
Oh well I tried....
^^^^ban dis guy
(Too much logic for this gun joint)
IBTCL
Festivus is so played out and stupid. F::k festivus.
Merry christmas... for 4 or 5 years.
Bo Ryan molests collies.
ND sucks.
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That's why I have already secured a spot on Chili's foldout couch. ;D
And I hear JB is turning his house into a brothel for the weekend.
$150/night if you bring your own cot. Garage is heated. $155 if you want to snuggle with JB.
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Arguing the same point forever isn't my idea of a good time.....was just looking for away to move on to other topics without either of you having to admit fault......
Oh well I tried....
<applause>
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This team is probably going to enter conference play at 11-2. I do not expect the rest of the season to be seashells and balloons. MU is 1-2 away from the Fiserv Forum. MU has to play 9 games on the road in conference. The Big East is not the gauntlet it has been the last few years but I still think that expecting >4 road conference wins is a stretch.
11-2 is where a lot of people thought this team would be. No need to gloat. If it had gone south, I would have criticized Wojo. I just did not think that a loss at Assembly Hall or a neutral floor loss to Kansas was so traumatic and dramatic to require torches and pitchforks. If MU had gone 0-fer against the high majors, I could see it.
While I was concerned after Indiana and Kansas and pleased after Loserville, K-State, Wisconsin and Buffalo, I haven't yet ordered my tickets for MSP -- yet (and I have a sister in the cities in whose house I can crash for free). I truly hope we get there and that Wojo has turned the corner with this team. But....
We have yet to win a road game. While I'll acknowledge that the BEast is down this year, winning at Providence, New York, Philadelphia, Omaha, Washington, DC, Indianapolis and even Chicago has not been a sure thing for our Warriors in recent years. Until we go out and kick some Hoya, Friar, Johnnie etc backside, Ill be somewhat researved in my judgment. As, frankly, is the national media.
We will win some we don't expect to win and inevitably lose some we aren't expected to lose. People's Exhibit #1 -- DePaul. We've laid a few eggs against them in recent years and they inevitably are up for us. People's Exhibit #2 -- Butler. We're 0 for history at their barn in Indianapolis. And, we haven't always looked good against them in Milwaukee either.
Finally, the national media is down on us because, reading a box score, we're one-dimensional. To some degree, we are. Marcus has had an incredible season so far this year. He's probably going down in the annals of Marquette basketball with Dean Meminger, Butch Lee, Glenn Rivers and DWade as the best of all time. But for us to go deep come March, our team will have to be more balanced. Defenses will find a way to make Marcus' life miserable. That's why I was excited at the first half of Buffalo, when the Hausers came out and took control. Then Marcus got hot.
Look, I'm happy as can be Marcus had the game of his life against Buffalo. Heck we won and we had a team effort in all other phases of the game. But only DWade of the legends group had nights like Marcus consistently. We need to make sure we're not "just letting Marcus do it."
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While I was concerned after Indiana and Kansas and pleased after Loserville, K-State, Wisconsin and Buffalo, I haven't yet ordered my tickets for MSP -- yet (and I have a sister in the cities in whose house I can crash for free). I truly hope we get there and that Wojo has turned the corner with this team. But....
We have yet to win a road game. While I'll acknowledge that the BEast is down this year, winning at Providence, New York, Philadelphia, Omaha, Washington, DC, Indianapolis and even Chicago has not been a sure thing for our Warriors in recent years. Until we go out and kick some Hoya, Friar, Johnnie etc backside, Ill be somewhat researved in my judgment. As, frankly, is the national media.
We will win some we don't expect to win and inevitably lose some we aren't expected to lose. People's Exhibit #1 -- DePaul. We've laid a few eggs against them in recent years and they inevitably are up for us. People's Exhibit #2 -- Butler. We're 0 for history at their barn in Indianapolis. And, we haven't always looked good against them in Milwaukee either.
Finally, the national media is down on us because, reading a box score, we're one-dimensional. To some degree, we are. Marcus has had an incredible season so far this year. He's probably going down in the annals of Marquette basketball with Dean Meminger, Butch Lee, Glenn Rivers and DWade as the best of all time. But for us to go deep come March, our team will have to be more balanced. Defenses will find a way to make Marcus' life miserable. That's why I was excited at the first half of Buffalo, when the Hausers came out and took control. Then Marcus got hot.
Look, I'm happy as can be Marcus had the game of his life against Buffalo. Heck we won and we had a team effort in all other phases of the game. But only DWade of the legends group had nights like Marcus consistently. We need to make sure we're not "just letting Marcus do it."
*Markus. I mean this is his third season. Spelling his name shouldn't be hard.
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Yes, you did. It’s ok, Buzz was a great coach, but he’s gone. You guys used to get on me for defending TC, the irony as so many of you do the same damn thing with Buzz. Do you not recognize it? Seriously, move on.
A Buzz mention from 40 days ago in a totally different thread? Seriously? #Dishonest
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*Markus. I mean this is his third season. Spelling his name shouldn't be hard.
Must not have been a Journalism major. ;)
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dgies,
Agree that is the national perception. But MU basketball fans see the growth of the team in addition to having a special player in Markus. That’s what makes this team so dangerous. Jay Bee was right on the money with his preseason prediction for this team. The national media will come around shortly.
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It's easy to get caught up in the sprinkles and whip cream of Markus' onslaught Friday night. After that wears off, what was most important was how well we played during the first 20 minutes while we were getting a full dose of Bad Markus. Even in the second half, re-watch the game only focusing on Theo. The man was an absolute junkyard dog. Twice the man was the first on the floor after a ball. Wojo specifically mentioned our production from the #5 in his post game presser.
Over the last couple of years we had only one way to win. Now we have several.
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*Markus. I mean this is his third season. Spelling his name shouldn't be hard.
Kinda take's the shine off things.
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Firstly .. clearly, editorially the policy is to allow all things MU. As for having a "positive" thread .. it did start that way .. but comments about the "chicken littles" and "fire wojo crap" appeared quickly. That's not positive, that's recrimination from people who have been waiting for the day they could express their greater faith over others.
Touché fair point.
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It's easy to get caught up in the sprinkles and whip cream of Markus' onslaught Friday night. After that wears off, what was most important was how well we played during the first 20 minutes while we were getting a full dose of Bad Markus. Even in the second half, re-watch the game only focusing on Theo. The man was an absolute junkyard dog. Twice the man was the first on the floor after a ball. Wojo specifically mentioned our production from the #5 in his post game presser.
Over the last couple of years we had only one way to win. Now we have several.
I am WAY behind. Went to the game, got hammered after. Hungover next morning and then am on a 4 day 12 hr/day work stretch so I haven’t been able to hit the board as much as I want.
But yes: that stretch in the first half with Howard on the bench was huge! It was encouraging for me and hopefully everyone. Hausers and John and Cain did really well. But JoeC played amazingly during that stretch. Few turnovers and played confidently. Loved it.
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I am WAY behind. Went to the game, got hammered after. Hungover next morning and then am on a 4 day 12 hr/day work stretch so I haven’t been able to hit the board as much as I want.
But yes: that stretch in the first half with Howard on the bench was huge! It was encouraging for me and hopefully everyone. Hausers and John and Cain did really well. But JoeC played amazingly during that stretch. Few turnovers and played confidently. Loved it.
Yep, the contributions of Joseph and Jamal were huge too. For the first time Friday, I sensed that the vast majority of the team felt their personal niche for the first time. 'THIS' is what I do to help us win.
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It's easy to get caught up in the sprinkles and whip cream of Markus' onslaught Friday night. After that wears off, what was most important was how well we played during the first 20 minutes while we were getting a full dose of Bad Markus. Even in the second half, re-watch the game only focusing on Theo. The man was an absolute junkyard dog. Twice the man was the first on the floor after a ball. Wojo specifically mentioned our production from the #5 in his post game presser.
Over the last couple of years we had only one way to win. Now we have several.
Whole post is right on...bolded especially. I'm most encouraged by Wisconsin game and what you reference above, because the team has shown itself to be solid enough defensively to compete even when Markus is having a C-game.
The Indiana game is looking more and more like an outlier/anomaly. I was concerned about Buffalo game, because they are more athletic (albeit undersized) than Wisconsin - yet we didn't look overmatched whatsoever.
Theo's improvement is a major boon to this team.
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Agreed on Theo. His improvement has been one of the season's biggest surprises for me. He and Ed are two of the keys to our improved defense.
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This was a finesse/soft team the last 2 years.......not anymore.....Theo and Ed set the tone but everyone is playing with more of an edge.......including Markus, Sam and the rest of the holdovers.
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I'm not going back and search but awhile ago I remember saying that I hadn't seen bad@ss shyte like that since the Jae days.
Big Eddie denying Happ when all the marbles were on the line followed by an unbelievable rebound and put-back followed by 'I got these two free throws for ya Markus'. Then the next game, Markus is raining 3s on every offensive possession while simultaneously Theo is rejecting practically every shot at the rim when one of UBuff's incredibly quick guards beat us off the dribble. That's winning basketball right there people.
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Whole post is right on...bolded especially. I'm most encouraged by Wisconsin game and what you reference above, because the team has shown itself to be solid enough defensively to compete even when Markus is having a C-game.
The Indiana game is looking more and more like an outlier/anomaly. I was concerned about Buffalo game, because they are more athletic (albeit undersized) than Wisconsin - yet we didn't look overmatched whatsoever.
Theo's improvement is a major boon to this team.
To continue the glow on jsglows original comment. Imagine this team without Markus? Not too bad really. Sure we lose 1 more game...maybe two but Sam, Joey and all would fill some gaps and we would be decent. I think a tourney team and top half of BE.
That exercise was not to discount Markus by any means...the point is we have a lot of weapons. Strength where we need it. Outside shooting. Defense. And coach showing he can organize it.
If Markus twists his ankle, it will be a bad bad day. But I still think we could win any game coming at us here on out....no stretch.
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*Markus. I mean this is his third season. Spelling his name shouldn't be hard.
Ahh c'mon , it's Christmas Eve! Where's the Scoop Christmas Cheer?
Maybe this is why I went back and earned an MBA. Merry Christmas -- Even to you Brother Sultan of SW Wisconsin. Here's to a NatChamp in our Easter basket!
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Proposing that us Scoop plebes take over one of the Embassy Suites in Bloomington in early April. Anyone got connections?
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A Buzz mention from 40 days ago in a totally different thread? Seriously? #Dishonest
No, more like thorough. I don't think a single thing you said in that post has changed in your opinion, right?
I'd take Buzz over Wojo right now coaching, but Wojo still has time to catch up.
I'll take Wojo for his off the court management, however, and his ability to answer his bosses truthfully.