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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: wadesworld on November 23, 2018, 10:51:50 PM
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What Scoop would be saying if we had given up a 9 (okay, it was 8 tonight) point second half lead. We’d be saying we got out toughed. We didn’t belong in the same building. Our opponent didn’t try until they were in trouble.
But instead we’re soft because we won a game by 3 that had us as a 3.5 point favorite.
I just don’t understand why people always have to be miserable. Down 8 with 11 minutes left and win. A nice come from behind win.
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I think it's possible to be both pleased with the win and disappointed with the portents. There were positives to take, but a lot of concerning things as well. And things we've seen before both this season and in others.
Hopefully this is a team that is taking time to gel and will look significantly better come March. But I don't think it's unreasonable to have concerns about how our three games against high major opponents have gone.
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I think it's possible to be both pleased with the win and disappointed with the portents. There were positives to take, but a lot of concerning things as well. And things we've seen before both this season and in others.
Hopefully this is a team that is taking time to gel and will look significantly better come March. But I don't think it's unreasonable to have concerns about how our three games against high major opponents have gone.
Bravo.
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I think it's possible to be both pleased with the win and disappointed with the portents. There were positives to take, but a lot of concerning things as well. And things we've seen before both this season and in others.
Hopefully this is a team that is taking time to gel and will look significantly better come March. But I don't think it's unreasonable to have concerns about how our three games against high major opponents have gone.
This is how I feel. We have the talent to win the Big East, and be a Sweet 16 team. But, we are not playing nearly to that level at this point of the season. We have 6 important non-conference games. So far we are 1-2, and could easily be 0-3, in those games.
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This is how I feel. We have the talent to win the Big East, and be a Sweet 16 team. But, we are not playing nearly to that level at this point of the season. We have 6 important non-conference games. So far we are 1-2, and could easily be 0-3, in those games.
We could also have been 3-0. So what? We're 1-2. Which is where almost every good team in America would be had they played at IU, vs. Kansas, and vs. Louisville.
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This is how I feel. We have the talent to win the Big East, and be a Sweet 16 team. But, we are not playing nearly to that level at this point of the season. We have 6 important non-conference games. So far we are 1-2, and could easily be 0-3, in those games.
Very happy with the win. But, this is not a sweet 16 team yet by any stretch. We will compete in the BE.
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We could also have been 3-0. So what? We're 1-2. Which is where almost every good team in America would be had they played at IU, vs. Kansas, and vs. Louisville.
We've seen the copy/paste response a number of times. But can you really, honestly, say that you're happy with the product on the floor this year?
Did you watch the IU game and think to yourself that the we were as good as you hoped for coming into the season? Did you watch the KU run and shrug your shoulders, saying that it'll happen to a lot of teams, so it's OK that it's happening to us? Did the first 30-35 minutes tonight make you think we're improving and gelling as a team?
The record and the game tape don't always tell the same story.
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We've seen the copy/paste response a number of times. But can you really, honestly, say that you're happy with the product on the floor this year?
Did you watch the IU game and think to yourself that the we were as good as you hoped for coming into the season? Did you watch the KU run and shrug your shoulders, saying that it'll happen to a lot of teams, so it's OK that it's happening to us? Did the first 30-35 minutes tonight make you think we're improving and gelling as a team?
The record and the game tape don't always tell the same story.
I personally understand and accept that teams are not a finished preduct in November.
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This board is always the same lol
We lose and blow leads...melt down city
We win and make a comeback...it’s ironic posts made to take a jab at the meltdowns
Legit every game.
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I personally understand and accept that teams are not a finished preduct in November.
And that's true for our competition too. So I'd hope that with our talent, we'd be looking a lot stronger against these unfinished products.
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I personally understand and accept that teams are not a finished preduct in November.
4 guys who have never played with this team until 18 days ago. And we are trying to burn down the team. I get the concern. But the D is there. The O needs some work.
The amount of people calling for WOJO’s head at half time of the game tonight. Then go unheard from when we win is fugging amazing. Only happy when you hate the coach or the program.
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Imagine Louisville had made their point blank put backs in the last few seconds after Wojo failed to use a timeout to get his defense and rebounding back out onto the floor. Wailing, gnashing of teeth, rending of garments, crap lost.
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We've seen the copy/paste response a number of times. But can you really, honestly, say that you're happy with the product on the floor this year?
Did you watch the IU game and think to yourself that the we were as good as you hoped for coming into the season? Did you watch the KU run and shrug your shoulders, saying that it'll happen to a lot of teams, so it's OK that it's happening to us? Did the first 30-35 minutes tonight make you think we're improving and gelling as a team?
The record and the game tape don't always tell the same story.
I saw a number of bright spots even as we struggled. Markus played within himself. Joey continues to emerge. There was even an Ed Morrow sighting.
But I refused to be a miserable moose and say something like, "I know we won, BUT..." Life's too short. It's just sports.
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Imagine Louisville had made their point blank put backs in the last few seconds after Wojo failed to use a timeout to get his defense and rebounding back out onto the floor. Wailing, gnashing of teeth, rending of garments, crap lost.
I might be wrong, but I thought we were out of timeouts.
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This is how I feel. We have the talent to win the Big East, and be a Sweet 16 team. But, we are not playing nearly to that level at this point of the season. We have 6 important non-conference games. So far we are 1-2, and could easily be 0-3, in those games.
None of the professionals had MU projected as anything better than a fringe top 25 team to start the year. Yeah, they *could* reach the S16, but they would be overachieving....which would be great, but its stretch to say they have S16 talent.
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I might be wrong, but I thought we were out of timeouts.
That's the way I remember it.
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I think it's possible to be both pleased with the win and disappointed with the portents. There were positives to take, but a lot of concerning things as well. And things we've seen before both this season and in others.
Hopefully this is a team that is taking time to gel and will look significantly better come March. But I don't think it's unreasonable to have concerns about how our three games against high major opponents have gone.
Well said brew.
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Saw signs of life and we got out with a W. Like that Theo and Ed finally both showed up at the same time for some inside presence, Brendan hit a shot, Marcus played more within the flow, still had a few bad Marcus moments, Joey is legit and Sam is Sam...Chartouny was rough but hey, Chris Mack knows us well and we beat Louisville. This is a tournament team, still hoping we get this figured out...soon.
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Imagine if we had a roster with 1-five star, and 5-four star recruits and gave up a 8 point second half lead to a team with 60% of their starting lineup being below the rim players. Largely, by being out competed and out toughed.
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Imagine if we had a roster with 1-five star, and 5-four star recruits and gave up a 8 point second half lead to a team with 60% of their starting lineup being below the rim players. Largely, by being out competed and out toughed.
I bet that happened at some point during Ellensons year
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I might be wrong, but I thought we were out of timeouts.
You are not wrong.
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You are not wrong.
We called 2 in OT. One after a trap, and one on the ensuing inbounds. I believe you are only given one extra for OT so we would have 1 TO left in regulation.
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I think it's possible to be both pleased with the win and disappointed with the portents. There were positives to take, but a lot of concerning things as well. And things we've seen before both this season and in others.
You could also have written that sentence this way:
There were concerning things, but a lot of positives takes as well.
I saw the game this way and not your way.
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We called 2 in OT. One after a trap, and one on the ensuing inbounds. I believe you are only given one extra for OT so we would have 1 TO left in regulation.
That is how I remember it.
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Why is Scoop so obsessed with hypotheticals?
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Why is Scoop so obsessed with hypotheticals?
Well, let's say for a minute that we weren't obsessed with hypotheticals... in that case your post would be incorrect.
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IU will be a tough team to play this year, and it will be proven in the season.
Also think Louisville will be competitive, might get some nice wins to help MU soon.
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I bet that happened at some point during Ellensons year
When I first saw this, I thought you were right. But the only teams we played that may have 60% of the starting roster as below the rim players, was Belmont (never had more than a 4 point lead) and Wisconsin (we beat them).
Most of our losses that year were in Big East play, where the athleticism was at a higher caliber.
But our roster in 2015 is comparable to Louisvilles this year, except add 1-2 years of experience to every player on our 2015 team.
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When I first saw this, I thought you were right. But the only teams we played that may have at 60% or the starting roster as below the rim players, was Belmont (never had more than a 4 point lead) and Wisconsin (we beat them).
Most of our losses that year were in Big East play, where the athleticism was at a higher caliber.
But our roster in 2015 is comparable to Louisvilles this year, except add 1-2 years of experience to every player on our 2015 team.
Props to you for doing the research
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Why is Scoop so obsessed with hypotheticals?
LOL
Welcome to Scoop. The obsession with hypotheticals is second only to the obsession with player minutes.
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Well, let's say for a minute that we weren't obsessed with hypotheticals... in that case your post would be incorrect.
Nicely done.
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We could also have been 3-0. So what? We're 1-2. Which is where almost every good team in America would be had they played at IU, vs. Kansas, and vs. Louisville.
You must of missed the Indiana game and the second half of the Kansas game where we were completely dominated for 60 minutes. We were a lot closer to being 0-3, 2 missed bunnies at the end of regulation and an obvious 3 pointer that was counted as 2, then we were being 3-0.
You can claim this is early in the year, that losses don't matter right now, that we are going to be better as the year goes on but you have to be concerned with the way this team is playing.
Hopefully this win will be the kick in the butt this team needs but its looking like this team is going 1-5 against the meat of our non-conference schedule. Louisville was the easiest of the 6.
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I saw a number of bright spots even as we struggled. Markus played within himself. Joey continues to emerge. There was even an Ed Morrow sighting.
But I refused to be a miserable f*ck and say something like, "I know we won, BUT..." Life's too short. It's just sports.
You sure spend an awful lot of time on here for something you consider to be of such minimal value.
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You must of missed the Indiana game and the second half of the Kansas game where we were completely dominated for 60 minutes. We were a lot closer to being 0-3, 2 missed bunnies at the end of regulation and an obvious 3 pointer that was counted as 2, then we were being 3-0.
You can claim this is early in the year, that losses don't matter right now, that we are going to be better as the year goes on but you have to be concerned with the way this team is playing.
Hopefully this win will be the kick in the butt this team needs but its looking like this team is going 1-5 against the meat of our non-conference schedule. Louisville was the easiest of the 6.
We aren’t “close to” any record other than 4-2. That’s what we are. A 1 point win is as 1-0 as a 52 point win is 1-0. Saying we “could be” 3-3 is stupid chicken little thinking. We “could be” 6-0 just as much as we “could be” 3-3.
I’m encouraged by the fact that we’re playing defense. With the exception of our first competitive game where we got punched in the mouth immediately and never responded, our defense had clearly been far, far better. I’d be much more concerned if our offense looked good and our defense looked terrible. The offense will come around, I have no doubt. And we’ll win at least 1 of our remaining tough non-con games, I have no doubt.
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4 guys who have never played with this team until 18 days ago. And we are trying to burn down the team. I get the concern. But the D is there. The O needs some work.
Ed has been here since since the summer of 2017 - about 18 months
Joey graduated early and joined the team last December - about 11 months
Joe and Brendan have been with the team since June - about 5 months
Your 18 days argument doesn't hold water. These guys are playing basketball together every day, even if they've only played 6 games together so far.
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We aren’t “close to” any record other than 4-2. That’s what we are. A 1 point win is as 1-0 as a 52 point win is 1-0. Saying we “could be” 3-3 is stupid chicken little thinking. We “could be” 6-0 just as much as we “could be” 3-3.
Nope. We were very close to being 3-3 last night. 2 high percentage shots missed by Louisville in the last 5 seconds. That's close to losing. It's focusing on the negative and not the positive, but it's not wrong either.
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Nope. We were very close to being 3-3 last night. 2 high percentage shots missed by Louisville in the last 5 seconds. That's close to losing. It's focusing on the negative and not the positive, but it's not wrong either.
We were just as close to being 0-1 last night as Indiana was to being 0-1 against us 2 weeks ago.
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We were just as close to being 0-1 last night as Indiana was to being 0-1 against us 2 weeks ago.
You can't honestly believe that.
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You can't honestly believe that.
I’m not one for moral victories or feeling sorry for myself for taking advantage of another team missing opportunities. We won. Louisville lost. No asterik attached. Same with Indiana winning, Marquette losing.
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I’m not one for moral victories or feeling sorry for myself for taking advantage of another team missing opportunities. We won. Louisville lost. No asterik attached. Same with Indiana winning, Marquette losing.
At least it's clear now that what happens during the game doesn't actually mean anything to you.
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...you may say I'm a dreamer...
...but I'm not the only one....
...maybe one day you'll join us...
...and Muscoop will live as one....
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We were just as close to being 0-1 last night as Indiana was to being 0-1 against us 2 weeks ago.
Yah....no.
You’re a bullheaded dude. We really should have lost last night. Big W and very much needed. Hopefully this team uses it as a springboard and continues to improve.
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Ed has been here since since the summer of 2017 - about 18 months
Joey graduated early and joined the team last December - about 11 months
Joe and Brendan have been with the team since June - about 5 months
Your 18 days argument doesn't hold water. These guys are playing basketball together every day, even if they've only played 6 games together so far.
Do you seriously think practicing with the same group of guys is remotely comparable to live game action against different teams, especially one as talented as Kansas?
And you mention Joey has been here 11 months but how much of that time was spent rehabbing? He and Brendan are freshman. Ed showed some signs last night. Joe has been a disappointment thus far.
The 3 big games left are all at home. That's huge. Get two of them, which is not unrealistic, and we'll be in solid shape entering conference play.
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You could also have written that sentence this way:
There were concerning things, but a lot of positives takes as well.
I saw the game this way and not your way.
Sure, I could've. Either way, there are pros and cons, cons and pros. I don't think it's unreasonable to acknowledge the negatives while also embracing the positives.
I liked how Markus played last night. I like how the defense has played, especially how Markus has played on defense because we see the effort to stay in front of his man. I like that we responded to the Louisville runs and never let the game get away from us. I loved the way that Ed seemingly entered the Matrix to keep his balance long enough to find someone to take that ball from him. I like that we at least got to put one in the W column.
All good things. But there are still trends that have carried from past years that concern me. I think it's fair to discuss both.
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Do you seriously think practicing with the same group of guys is remotely comparable to live game action against different teams, especially one as talented as Kansas?
And you mention Joey has been here 11 months but how much of that time was spent rehabbing? He and Brendan are freshman. Ed showed some signs last night. Joe has been a disappointment thus far.
Yeah, I think having a 5 on 5 scrimmage in practice in comparable to live game action. Nothing can replicate the real in-game pressure, but coaches run game simulations all the time in practices.
There's a reason the redshirt exists. It's because a year of practicing and watching film and lifting weights can help improve a guy's game. To just ignore that Ed and Joey have been with the team for an extended period of time doesn't make sense to me. And to act like the first experience Joe and Brendan had with our team was 3 weeks ago is equally ridiculous. Practice matters. Film room sessions matter. These things help players learn the ropes of the offense and defense and learn tendencies of teammates.
I'd be willing to be that before the Carroll exhibition, Markus knew Brendan's favorite spot on the floor. Sam knew whether Joe preferred to push the ball in transition or slow it down for a half court set. Ed knew our offense as well as Sacar. Joey knew Wojo's focal points to combat different defensive styles. Our 4 first year guys were not magically dropped off by the basketball stork 18 days ago like Blue Man said.
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Yeah, I think having a 5 on 5 scrimmage in practice in comparable to live game action. Nothing can replicate the real in-game pressure, but coaches run game simulations all the time in practices.
There's a reason the redshirt exists. It's because a year of practicing and watching film and lifting weights can help improve a guy's game. To just ignore that Ed and Joey have been with the team for an extended period of time doesn't make sense to me. And to act like the first experience Joe and Brendan had with our team was 3 weeks ago is equally ridiculous. Practice matters. Film room sessions matter. These things help players learn the ropes of the offense and defense and learn tendencies of teammates.
I'd be willing to be that before the Carroll exhibition, Markus knew Brendan's favorite spot on the floor. Sam knew whether Joe preferred to push the ball in transition or slow it down for a half court set. Ed knew our offense as well as Sacar. Joey knew Wojo's focal points to combat different defensive styles. Our 4 first year guys were not magically dropped off by the basketball stork 18 days ago like Blue Man said.
So why is there and adjustment period for all but about 15 freshman in the country? Every one of them is in their program for 5 months before they play their first game. Should be able to hit the ground running.
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So why is there and adjustment period for all but about 15 freshman in the country? Every one of them is in their program for 5 months before they play their first game. Should be able to hit the ground running.
We're seeing the adjustment even after they know the schemes and tendencies. We are definitely not seeing the way things look on day 1.
Game speed is different than practice. There's no doubt about that. But practice absolutely matters, and the time Ed and Joey spent with the team last season has to have made a big impact. Look how well Joey has integrated from the start. Dont you think last season made a difference for him?
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Joey played one high school game last year. He came to MU to rehab his ankle. He got to see the sets and schemes and practice. Actual playing didn't start until summer.
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Yeah, I think having a 5 on 5 scrimmage in practice in comparable to live game action. Nothing can replicate the real in-game pressure, but coaches run game simulations all the time in practices.
There's a reason the redshirt exists. It's because a year of practicing and watching film and lifting weights can help improve a guy's game. To just ignore that Ed and Joey have been with the team for an extended period of time doesn't make sense to me. And to act like the first experience Joe and Brendan had with our team was 3 weeks ago is equally ridiculous. Practice matters. Film room sessions matter. These things help players learn the ropes of the offense and defense and learn tendencies of teammates.
I'd be willing to be that before the Carroll exhibition, Markus knew Brendan's favorite spot on the floor. Sam knew whether Joe preferred to push the ball in transition or slow it down for a half court set. Ed knew our offense as well as Sacar. Joey knew Wojo's focal points to combat different defensive styles. Our 4 first year guys were not magically dropped off by the basketball stork 18 days ago like Blue Man said.
But you're not practicing against the same schemes and talent levels you're seeing nor is the environment the same. I'm not saying practice doesn't matter or film doesn't matter but no matter how hard you try it's not going to equate to game experience. Adjustments periods are different, some guys may lose confidence more quickly, etc. So many different factors are in play that aren't when you're practicing.
The fact that you think my point is the new guys were just "magically dropped off by the basketball stork" shows you're just not paying attention.
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The fact that you think my point is the new guys were just "magically dropped off by the basketball stork" shows you're just not paying attention.
That was referring back to fjm's post saying we have 4 guys who haven't played with this team until 18 days ago. That was what got us into the topic of how long guys have been with the team and what impact it has on us.
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Yah....no.
You’re a bullheaded dude. We really should have lost last night. Big W and very much needed. Hopefully this team uses it as a springboard and continues to improve.
Um, you lost me here.
We did the things we needed to win, but?????
Theo missed a bunch of bunnies last night. Sh1t, we actually blew these guys out, even though the score says otherwise. Hell, HANG A BANNER!!!!
Uggggh Rant not pointed at you.
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Um, you lost me here.
We did the things we needed to win, but?????
Theo missed a bunch of bunnies last night. Sh1t, we actually blew these guys out, even though the score says otherwise. Hell, HANG A BANNER!!!!
Uggggh Rant not pointed at you.
Well for one, we technically lost by 1. Game would have been played differently though so just a really tough break for Louisville and great break for us. And then the final play of the game - high major D1 teams are going to score there 9/10 times. We got incredibly lucky, and the fact that the guy missed a point blank tap in as time expired was incredibly fortunate. And then we still gave them another look!!
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Well for one, we technically lost by 1. Game would have been played differently though so just a really tough break for Louisville and great break for us. And then the final play of the game - high major D1 teams are going to score there 9/10 times. We got incredibly lucky, and the fact that the guy missed a point blank tap in as time expired was incredibly fortunate. And then we still gave them another look!!
You completely missed my point.
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Well for one, we technically lost by 1.
Actually, technically we won by 1, since all OT wins are counted as 1-point victories regardless of margin.
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Actually, technically we won by 1, since all OT wins are counted as 1-point victories regardless of margin.
And really, technically had the offensive foul on Anim been called a defensive foul like it was eventually determined, it would have been an and-1 situation. So, technically we won by one in regulation.
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Well there is considerable discussion that we had a great win or we should have lost. We also try to predict what will happen in the future with certainty. The problem is none of this is meaningful. It is just one opinion versus another.
We need to focus on the facts. They are:
1) We have played against 3 good teams and we are 1-2.
2) Our play in those 3 games was mixed. One great half, one blowout loss and a third that we won with flawed execution.
3) We have 4+ years of experience with the current coach.who has mixed results.
From the above draw your own conclusions as to how this season will turn out. We all have opinions.
For me I want to be optimistic but I do not believe the facts support high expectations. Whatever your opinion is fine with me. Just remember none of us know what will happen with certainty. So how about we let the season play out and end the personal attacks.I do not believe anyone wins with them.
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From the able draw your own conclusions as to how this season will turn out. We all have opinions.
But we don't have to draw any conclusions - by early April we'll have all the answers, and we can try to enjoy the ride.
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And really, technically had the offensive foul on Anim been called a defensive foul like it was eventually determined, it would have been an and-1 situation. So, technically we won by one in regulation.
They don't want to hear that........gets in the way of the whining about not winning impressively enough.
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The three point call was a tough break for Louisville. To say it would have been a one point loss of it had been called correctly is impossible to say. Basketball is about momentum. Maybe that would have given the Cards more momentum and we get blown out. Maybe bring down by one more point causes Markus to attempt a three instead of a two at some point in the first half and when he makes it that gets him locked in and we win a laugher. Probably somewhere in between. It's impossible for any of us to know.
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This is Year 5. We’re not supposed to be building, we’re supposed to be built.
The “we hung around with Kansas stuff” was for years 3 & 4.
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This is Year 5. We’re not supposed to be building, we’re supposed to be built.
The “we hung around with Kansas stuff” was for years 3 & 4.
Al was 1-11 against #1's. When, exactly, in MU's long history, has losing to a #2 team by single digits been a cause for this much despair? We played 10 really bad minutes.
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Al was 1-11 against #1's. When, exactly, in MU's long history, has losing to a #2 team by single digits been a cause for this much despair? We played 10 really bad minutes.
This. For the record Buzz Williams was 0-8 vs the top 5, Crean 3-5 against the top 5. So in none of the best eras of MU history should we have expected to win that game.
Also by my count Al was 1-10 against the top 5. Could you tell me where you got the 1-11 stat?
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Al was 1-11 against #1's. When, exactly, in MU's long history, has losing to a #2 team by single digits been a cause for this much despair? We played 10 really bad minutes.
This is the age of the internet, so everything is magnified , parsed and hyper reviewed ad nauseam.
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The three point call was a tough break for Louisville. To say it would have been a one point loss of it had been called correctly is impossible to say. Basketball is about momentum. Maybe that would have given the Cards more momentum and we get blown out. Maybe bring down by one more point causes Markus to attempt a three instead of a two at some point in the first half and when he makes it that gets him locked in and we win a laugher. Probably somewhere in between. It's impossible for any of us to know.
The guy traveled. So in reality those 2 points should be taken off the score. Just kidding but as always things regress to the mean and we won because we ended up playing better. Our overall effort was better they missed, maybe our D was in their head when they tried to win in regulation, pressure, it is all relative, thst is my hypothetical.
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Imagine what this board would look like if MU lost to a PSU team with losses to DePaul and Bradley.
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Imagine what this board would look like if MU lost to a PSU team with losses to DePaul and Bradley.
Imagine if there were a thread devoted to that exact topic...
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This. For the record Buzz Williams was 0-8 vs the top 5, Crean 3-5 against the top 5. So in none of the best eras of MU history should we have expected to win that game.
Also by my count Al was 1-10 against the top 5. Could you tell me where you got the 1-11 stat?
Yuppers
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Imagine if there were a thread devoted to that exact topic...
Imagine if someone makes a post first and then a new thread about the topic comes up...
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Good thin' wee don't play Dook, hey?
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Good thin' wee don't play Dook, hey?
Meh, they are only #3 right now. We've already played #2. Duke's best is better than anybody else's best right now. But a long season awaits.
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Imagine ...
If we had lost at home to Radford ...
... even though we had the best coach in basketball history!
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Imagine ...
If we had lost at home to Radford ...
... even though we had the best coach in basketball history!
Stew Morrill is back???
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Stew Morrill is back???
Legendary.
Welcome back.
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Legendary.
Welcome back.
As my Sout-side Chicago fadder-in-law likes to say ...
Tanks!
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Good thin' wee don't play Dook, hey?
Ure as week as week can be total pus
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Imagine ...
If we had lost at home to Radford ...
... even though we had the best coach in basketball history!
Ha an excellent return
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Ha an excellent return
I bring up The Greatest Coach Ever a little too often for some -- although this was my first mention of him this season -- so I guess I can understand why my "comeback post" was summarily dismissed.
However ...
In his first 3 years he had a 50-50 record. Then, in the 7th game of Year 4, he lost at home to Radford.
Had Wojo lost that game in that exact situation, I'm thinking Scoop would have gone batshyte, declared him to be on the hot seat, said he better turn things around "or else," etc. Hell, we beat Louisville on a neutral court, and some Scoopers were down on Wojo.
Gosh, college hoops be fun!