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Title: Markus Ranked 22nd Best CBB Player
Post by: Newsdreams on August 01, 2018, 03:02:28 PM
https://thebiglead.com/2018/08/01/50-best-players-college-basketball-2018-2019/

He gone, hey?
Title: Re: Markus Ranked 22nd Best CBB Player
Post by: Its DJOver on August 01, 2018, 03:10:46 PM
Brad Davison is not better than Ethan Happ.

Kamar Baldwin is not better than Shamorie Ponds.

Eric Paschall is not the 16th best player in the country.

Small sample size, but Tremont Waters deserves to be in there rather than just missed the cut.

Also doesn't seem very high on Cassius Winston who may be the second best guard in the B14, only behind Purdue's Edwards.

Pretty poor list IMO
Title: Re: Markus Ranked 22nd Best CBB Player
Post by: Jay Bee on August 01, 2018, 03:39:45 PM
Quote from: Its DJOver on August 01, 2018, 03:10:46 PM
Pretty poor list IMO

Yep, dreadful list. The BPI of Top 50 lists.
Title: Re: Markus Ranked 22nd Best CBB Player
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on August 01, 2018, 03:49:00 PM
Grimes at 14.  man.  What could have been. 
Title: Re: Markus Ranked 22nd Best CBB Player
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on August 01, 2018, 03:49:28 PM
Quote from: Its DJOver on August 01, 2018, 03:10:46 PM
Brad Davison is not better than Ethan Happ.

Kamar Baldwin is not better than Shamorie Ponds.

Eric Paschall is not the 16th best player in the country.

Small sample size, but Tremont Waters deserves to be in there rather than just missed the cut.

Also doesn't seem very high on Cassius Winston who may be the second best guard in the B14, only behind Purdue's Edwards.

Pretty poor list IMO

Lol Tremont Waters isn't in there?  He'd be in my top 20 for sure. 
Title: Re: Markus Ranked 22nd Best CBB Player
Post by: lawdog77 on August 01, 2018, 06:54:45 PM
Quote from: Its DJOver on August 01, 2018, 03:10:46 PM
Brad Davison is not better than Ethan Happ.

Kamar Baldwin is not better than Shamorie Ponds.

Eric Paschall is not the 16th best player in the country.

Small sample size, but Tremont Waters deserves to be in there rather than just missed the cut.

Also doesn't seem very high on Cassius Winston who may be the second best guard in the B14, only behind Purdue's Edwards.

Pretty poor list IMO
As much as it pains me to say, I think Davison may be all Big 10 this year.
Title: Re: Markus Ranked 22nd Best CBB Player
Post by: muwarrior69 on August 01, 2018, 07:05:32 PM
How do freshman who have yet to play their first college game rank better than guys playing 2-3 years?
Title: Re: Markus Ranked 22nd Best CBB Player
Post by: Jay Bee on August 01, 2018, 07:06:35 PM
Quote from: muwarrior69 on August 01, 2018, 07:05:32 PM
How do freshman who have yet to play their first college game rank better than guys playing 2-3 years?

Look at how the ranking criteria and you'll understand.
Title: Re: Markus Ranked 22nd Best CBB Player
Post by: MuMark on August 01, 2018, 07:08:40 PM
Quote from: lawdog77 on August 01, 2018, 06:54:45 PM
As much as it pains me to say, I think Davison may be all Big 10 this year.

Only if flopping is a stat category........
Title: Re: Markus Ranked 22nd Best CBB Player
Post by: Its DJOver on August 01, 2018, 07:09:54 PM
Quote from: lawdog77 on August 01, 2018, 06:54:45 PM
As much as it pains me to say, I think Davison may be all Big 10 this year.

Over who? I would think a combination of Edwards, Winston and Langford would have the guard spots locked down. Happ will probably get one of the forward spots, but Davison is well behind those three guards.
Title: Re: Markus Ranked 22nd Best CBB Player
Post by: lawdog77 on August 01, 2018, 07:32:27 PM
Quote from: Its DJOver on August 01, 2018, 07:09:54 PM
Over who? I would think a combination of Edwards, Winston and Langford would have the guard spots locked down. Happ will probably get one of the forward spots, but Davison is well behind those three guards.
over Edward's. If purdue.takes a big step back, and Wisconsin jumps them in the rankings, I could see Davison.making all Big10
Title: Re: Markus Ranked 22nd Best CBB Player
Post by: MuMark on August 01, 2018, 07:39:24 PM
No chance. Edwards is going to be a preseason all American of some sort. He is one of the favorites for big 10 POY.

Davison isn't in his class.
Title: Re: Markus Ranked 22nd Best CBB Player
Post by: brewcity77 on August 01, 2018, 07:51:45 PM
Quote from: lawdog77 on August 01, 2018, 07:32:27 PM
over Edward's. If purdue.takes a big step back, and Wisconsin jumps them in the rankings, I could see Davison.making all Big10

Most pundits I've heard have Edwards as a lock for first-team All-American and he's in the mix for national Player of the Year, which is where Andy Katz has him. He's also the highest ranked returning player on this list (for whatever that's worth) behind 4 freshmen.
Title: Re: Markus Ranked 22nd Best CBB Player
Post by: Newsdreams on August 01, 2018, 08:22:08 PM
Quote from: Jay Bee on August 01, 2018, 03:39:45 PM
Yep, dreadful list. The BPI of Top 50 lists.
Should have used teal for my he gone, hey?
Title: Re: Markus Ranked 22nd Best CBB Player
Post by: We R Final Four on August 01, 2018, 09:14:11 PM
Quote from: lawdog77 on August 01, 2018, 06:54:45 PM
As much as it pains me to say, I think Davison may be all Big 10 this year.
His trajectory of flop perfection has been off the charts!
Nobody gets shot out of a canon like Brad!
Title: Re: Markus Ranked 22nd Best CBB Player
Post by: oldwarrior81 on August 01, 2018, 09:44:15 PM
nothing on the Ducks Dillon Brooks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OCVRRdMJXU
Title: Re: Markus Ranked 22nd Best CBB Player
Post by: We R Final Four on August 01, 2018, 09:51:09 PM
Ha—yes now that's impressive.
Title: Re: Markus Ranked 22nd Best CBB Player
Post by: Its DJOver on August 02, 2018, 08:43:12 AM
Quote from: lawdog77 on August 01, 2018, 07:32:27 PM
over Edward's. If purdue.takes a big step back, and Wisconsin jumps them in the rankings, I could see Davison.making all Big10

I'm sorry, but I just can't see it.  I don't think Purdue will be as good as they were last year, but as far as predicting all conference players in August goes, I think Edwards is one of the safest bets out there.  Legitimate player of the year candidate IMO.  Its also worth noting that Davisons usage will likely decrease with the addition of Anderson and the returns of King and Trice.
Title: Re: Markus Ranked 22nd Best CBB Player
Post by: The Equalizer on August 02, 2018, 09:02:10 AM
Quote from: Its DJOver on August 01, 2018, 07:09:54 PM
Over who? I would think a combination of Edwards, Winston and Langford would have the guard spots locked down. Happ will probably get one of the forward spots, but Davison is well behind those three guards.

The Big Ten names 15 all-conference players, and Davison was in the top 5 Freshmen last year. I don't know how many of the top 15 left to pros or graduation, or who the top rated incoming frosh are, but it certainly doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility that a returning top five frosh would be a candidate for one of 15 all-conference players in his sophomore year.

Furthermore, as far as I can tell, they don't have quotas by position, and even if they did, there would be six guard spots.  So it would there would be plenty of room for Edwards, Winston, Langford and Davison on the all-big 10 team.

Title: Re: Markus Ranked 22nd Best CBB Player
Post by: Its DJOver on August 02, 2018, 09:19:26 AM
Quote from: The Equalizer on August 02, 2018, 09:02:10 AM
The Big Ten names 15 all-conference players, and Davdison was in the top 5 Freshmen last year. I don't know how many of the top 15 left to pros or graduation, or who the top rated incoming frosh are, but it certainly doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility that a returning top five frosh would be a candidate for one of 15 all-conference players in his sophomore year.

Furthermore, as far as I can tell, they don't have quotas by position, and even if they did, there would be six guard spots.  So it would there would be plenty of room for Edwards, Winston, Langford and Davidson on the all-big 10 team.

To me, all B14 implies 1st team.  If you want to argue that he could make 2nd or 3rd team that's different. 

When you come back and say that he'll make it over Edwards, you will be fighting a losing battle.  No way someone goes from not even making third team (although he did make all Freshman) to first team, taking the spot of someone who did make 1st team last year and is a strong all american candidate.

http://btn.com/2018/02/26/view-the-2017-18-all-big-ten-mens-basketball-team/
Title: Re: Markus Ranked 22nd Best CBB Player
Post by: WarriorFan on August 02, 2018, 09:44:59 AM
Nice.  Our 2nd best player is 22nd best in the nation.
Title: Re: Markus Ranked 22nd Best CBB Player
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on August 02, 2018, 10:08:09 AM
Quote from: WarriorFan on August 02, 2018, 09:44:59 AM
Nice.  Our 2nd best player is 22nd best in the nation.

+1.
Title: Re: Markus Ranked 22nd Best CBB Player
Post by: MuMark on August 05, 2018, 11:02:35 AM
Report from CP3 camp from ESPN

• Although he struggled defensively, 19-year-old Markus Howard put together some impressive sequences on offense, making shots off the dribble and using the threat of his pull-up to change speeds and get into the paint. He's a versatile shooter with outstanding touch and developing savvy around the rim. Still more scorer than playmaker, he has room to improve his court sense and ability to create for others. Howard has done a really nice job with his frame, trimming some body fat and adding more burst to his game. His -'0 wingspan and average athleticism hinder his NBA intrigue, but he figures to build on his monster sophomore season with another highly productive junior campaign at Marquette.
Title: Re: Markus Ranked 22nd Best CBB Player
Post by: GGGG on August 05, 2018, 11:08:07 AM
Quote from: MuMark on August 05, 2018, 11:02:35 AM
Report from CP3 camp from ESPN

• Although he struggled defensively, 19-year-old Markus Howard put together some impressive sequences on offense, making shots off the dribble and using the threat of his pull-up to change speeds and get into the paint. He's a versatile shooter with outstanding touch and developing savvy around the rim. Still more scorer than playmaker, he has room to improve his court sense and ability to create for others. Howard has done a really nice job with his frame, trimming some body fat and adding more burst to his game. His -'0 wingspan and average athleticism hinder his NBA intrigue, but he figures to build on his monster sophomore season with another highly productive junior campaign at Marquette.


So pretty much he's what he's been.  Not complaining because he's been great, but he's an elite scorer but average at best distributor and defender.
Title: Re: Markus Ranked 22nd Best CBB Player
Post by: burger on August 06, 2018, 09:45:16 AM
Brad Davison better than Sam Hauser.......

This year....last year .....next year......

Not in this universe.........
Title: Re: Markus Ranked 22nd Best CBB Player
Post by: We R Final Four on August 06, 2018, 10:56:08 AM
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Title: Re: Markus Ranked 22nd Best CBB Player
Post by: Lennys Tap on August 06, 2018, 01:22:58 PM
Quote from: #bansultan on August 05, 2018, 11:08:07 AM

So pretty much he's what he's been.  Not complaining because he's been great, but he's an elite scorer but average at best distributor and defender.

If Markus could become an average defender I would be overjoyed.
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