MUScoop
MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: wadesworld on June 15, 2018, 02:07:48 PM
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With the NBA Draft less than a week away what are the thoughts of MUScoop? If you had a top pick who are you taking? Who are you hoping your team gets where they are?
Who I think goes top 10 (probably won't be exact as I didn't really look much into each team's roster makeup, but just a rough guestimate about where players might go):
1) Ayton
2) Bagley
3) Jackson
4) Doncic
5) Bamba
6) Young
7) Porter Jr.
8) Carter
9) Mikal Bridges
10) Sexton
My personal top 10:
1) Ayton
2) Bagley
3) Bamba
4) Young
5) Bridges
6) Doncic
7) Carter
8) Sexton
9) Jackson
10) Porter Jr.
Who I want the Bucks to pick:
1) Khyrie Thomas
2) Troy Brown
3) Zhaire Smith
4) Kevin Huerter
5) Jalen Brunson (trade down)
I like a lot of guys projected to go late first round/early second round, some more than the middle first round group. Brunson, Spellman, Bates-Diop, Carr.
I think Bamba could end up being the best player in this draft, but at this point Bagley and Ayton are so far ahead of him offensively and their floors are so much higher I couldn't put Bamba above those two. After those 3, I'm not totally sold on any of the other top players.
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Who I want the Bucks to pick:
1) Khyrie Thomas
2) Troy Brown
3) Zhaire Smith
4) Kevin Huerter
5) Jalen Brunson (trade down)
I love Khyrie, but the biggest need for the Bucks is a guy who can consistently shoot 3s.
The more I think about it, the more I like Huerter.
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So what are the Bulls fans here thinking?
I really want nothing to do with Young and I hope Orlando takes the decision out of our front office's hands. The lack of size and athleticism worries me and he will just get abused defensively.
MPJ has a lot of questions surrounding him in terms of health and how he'd fit but the star potential is hard to overlook.
I've also been warming up quite a bit to Carter (assuming Bamba goes in the top 5). He seems like he could fit nicely with Lauri.
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So what are the Bulls fans here thinking?
I really want nothing to do with Young and I hope Orlando takes the decision out of our front office's hands. The lack of size and athleticism worries me and he will just get abused defensively.
MPJ has a lot of questions surrounding him in terms of health and how he'd fit but the star potential is hard to overlook.
I've also been warming up quite a bit to Carter (assuming Bamba goes in the top 5). He seems like he could fit nicely with Lauri.
So, I don't love Young and there are players I'd rather see the Bulls draft, but I think the way he exploded onto the scene early led to some impossible expectations and really harsh overanalysis as a result. He has some weaknesses, but I think the potential to be a special player is there.
That said, Bamba is my first choice, and assuming he's gone, I'd take Mikal Bridges. Fills a huge need, can help immediately, has the potential to be an elite defender.
I'm not at all sold on Wendell Carter. Slow, offensively limited, rarely seemed dominant in college.
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I'm not at all sold on Wendell Carter. Slow, offensively limited, rarely seemed dominant in college.
Guessing you haven't seen him play yet. He's not slow and is not offensively limited - 56% shooting 41%+ shooting from 3. Per 40 minutes, he averaged 20.3 pts. 13.5 rebounds and 3+ assists and over 2 blocks. Those are close to superstar numbers - all on a team that had Bagley and Allen who dominated the ball.
He is a future all-star in the NBA.
Just my guess, but I don't think the Bulls will have to decide whether to draft him or not.
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Guessing you haven't seen him play yet. He's not slow and is not offensively limited - 56% shooting 41%+ shooting from 3. Per 40 minutes, he averaged 20.3 pts. 13.5 rebounds and 3+ assists and over 2 blocks. Those are close to superstar numbers - all on a team that had Bagley and Allen who dominated the ball.
He is a future all-star in the NBA.
Just my guess, but I don't think the Bulls will have to decide whether to draft him or not.
Correct. I did not see Duke play even once last year. Except the Kansas game, but Carter was invisible, so I guess we can't count that one.
Also, fwiw, among Duke's rotation, Carter had the second-highest usage rate. Well above Allen's, who actually was 4th among the starters.
Tell me, who put up these per 40 stats in their draft years and then explain why it's important when evaluating potential NBA talent:
Player 1: 23.0/11.3/1.9
Player 2: 23.7/12.0/1.8
Player 3: 20.9/12.9/4.5
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For the Bucks, I want someone, anyone who can shoot from range. Based on who's going to be available at their pick, here's who I'm hoping for:
1. Miles Bridges
2. Kevin Huerter
3. Elie Okobo
4. Gary Trent Jr
5. Khyri Thomas
6. Jacob Evans
7. Donte Divencenzo
I don't think Bridges is there when they pick, but Huerter definitely should be. I get the suspicion that they will go with Okobo. PG with a 6'8 wingspan who can shoot? Seems right up their alley.
I've seen too many mock drafts with Mitchell Robinson going to the Bucks. Hoping that's just lazy journalism and not an indication that the Bucks have been eyeing him. Might have to give up my last hope if that ends up being the pick
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As a Bucks fan, I hope the Bulls draft Young. I think they take Mikal Bridges
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For the Bucks, I want someone, anyone who can shoot from range. Based on who's going to be available at their pick, here's who I'm hoping for:
1. Miles Bridges
2. Kevin Huerter
3. Elie Okobo
4. Gary Trent Jr
5. Khyri Thomas
6. Jacob Evans
7. Donte Divencenzo
I don't think Bridges is there when they pick, but Huerter definitely should be. I get the suspicion that they will go with Okobo. PG with a 6'8 wingspan who can shoot? Seems right up their alley.
I've seen too many mock drafts with Mitchell Robinson going to the Bucks. Hoping that's just lazy journalism and not an indication that the Bucks have been eyeing him. Might have to give up my last hope if that ends up being the pick
i've heard this(robinson) as well. best description they have of robinson since he hasn't had a lot of "show time" is a thon maker type. if that's the case, how many "thon makers" do they need?
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The Charlotte Observer beat writer, Rick Bonnell, does a good job covering the Hornets and I think he's pretty darn knowledgeable. Been there for quite some time, fairly well-connected it seems.
He did his mock draft a couple days ago: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nba/charlotte-hornets/article213124829.html
Among some of his interesting picks:
7. Chicago Bulls: Michael Porter, Missouri, 6-10: The Bulls got first look at Porter’s medical reports, key after back surgery.
17. Milwaukee Bucks: Troy Brown, Oregon, 6-7: Good size for a potential shooting guard; didn’t dominate with Ducks.
18. San Antonio Spurs: Dante DiVincenzo, Villanova, 6-5: Will play some at either guard spot, would fit Spurs’ motion offense.
22. Chicago Bulls: Anfernee Simons (no college), 6-3, A combo guard with some shooting range to spread defenses.
26. Philadelphia 76ers: Omari Spellman, Villanova, 6-9: Adds front-court depth on a rookie-scale contract to a team with established starters.
27. Boston Celtics: Grayson Allen, Duke, 6-4: Allen might fit best in the NBA as a changeup off the bench on a contender.
29. Brooklyn Nets: Jalen Brunson, Villanova, 6-2: Sophisticated understanding of the game, but defense on the ball will be a challenge.
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Supposedly Bridges didn't do well in his Bulls workout, but that just might be a smoke screen. I can see Porter
Young is still a 6ft. PG. Worth a lottery pick? Bulls are unhappy with Dunn's offseason effort but can GarPax admit the blew the Jimmy Butler trade so early by giving up on their PG of the future by drafting Young? I don't think their egos will allow it, especially if LeVine walks.
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Supposedly Bridges didn't do well in his Bulls workout, but that just might be a smoke screen. I can see Porter
Young is still a 6ft. PG. Worth a lottery pick? Bulls are unhappy with Dunn's offseason effort but can GarPax admit the blew the Jimmy Butler trade so early by giving up on their PG of the future by drafting Young? I don't think their egos will allow it, especially if LeVine walks.
Don't know what the heck the Bulls are trying to do with Dunn. It serves nobody's interest to leak that they're unhappy with his offseason. Doesn't help them move him, if that's what they want. Doubtful it's going to motivate him. Perhaps just another case of GarPax being stupid for the sake of being stupid.
I don't think the Bulls have to worry about LaVine walking. He's an RFA, so they can match any offer that comes his way, and given his injury and inconsistency when he returned, I doubt any team is going to back up a Brinks truck for his services.
With the way Markannen performed and his continued upside, I don't think the Bulls would be crying uncle on the trade even if they lose Lavine (or Dunn).
Young measured the same as Collin Sexton at the Combine, and bigger than some really good current players (Kemba Walker, Bledsoe, Paul, etc.) Granted, those guys are thicker, but Young is still a teenager. He will get stronger.
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So, I don't love Young and there are players I'd rather see the Bulls draft, but I think the way he exploded onto the scene early led to some impossible expectations and really harsh overanalysis as a result. He has some weaknesses, but I think the potential to be a special player is there.
That said, Bamba is my first choice, and assuming he's gone, I'd take Mikal Bridges. Fills a huge need, can help immediately, has the potential to be an elite defender.
I'm not at all sold on Wendell Carter. Slow, offensively limited, rarely seemed dominant in college.
Bridges is a nice player but I don't see a whole lot of upside there. When your goal is to tank and you still end up with the 7th pick you have to take a shot at someone with All-Star upside. I don't see it with Mikal. I think he'd be a great fit on a team like the 76ers. I won't be furious if the Bulls take him as I think he has a decent floor but I'll be disappointed. I do think you're underselling Carter.
Supposedly Bridges didn't do well in his Bulls workout, but that just might be a smoke screen. I can see Porter
Young is still a 6ft. PG. Worth a lottery pick? Bulls are unhappy with Dunn's offseason effort but can GarPax admit the blew the Jimmy Butler trade so early by giving up on their PG of the future by drafting Young? I don't think their egos will allow it, especially if LeVine walks.
Dunn still has work to do but he surpassed my admittedly low expectations last year. Was good defensively and more explosive going to the rim than I expected, although he still needs to finish better. I'm hoping the talk of him having a poor summer is just a smokescreen.
LaVine's restricted free agency will be interesting. I just can't see the Bulls letting him walk but he certainly didn't do anything in his time back to instill confidence. Granted, that was coming off a major injury so there has to be some leeway there but his shot selection and defense sure left a lot to be desired. I'm really worried they're going to overpay him. I don't see a team giving him a big offer they'll feel compelled to match.
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Porter might be this generation's Bowie/Oden, I'd stay far away from him.
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Young measured the same as Collin Sexton at the Combine, and bigger than some really good current players (Kemba Walker, Bledsoe, Paul, etc.) Granted, those guys are thicker, but Young is still a teenager. He will get stronger.
When Walker entered the league, a leaf blower could have knocked him over. It took him several years to become a quality NBA point guard by adding strength and improving his outside shot.
Young has been compared to Curry, too. It seems outlandish today, but 3 years into his career - when he was missing major playing time due to foot problems that some thought might not be resolved and wasn't close to averaging 20 ppg when he did play - there were plenty of cynics who never thought he was going to be a star.
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The thing about LaVine is he can command a max contract. He hasn't earned crap but he has the braintrust by the nads.
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There is 0.00% chance that I'd give that guy anything close to a max contract. If another team signs him to one, you tell him, "thanks for your service," and let him go.
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The thing about LaVine is he can command a max contract. He hasn't earned crap but he has the braintrust by the nads.
If they sign him to a max contract the front office should be fired immediately. I don't think he has much leverage. With so many teams with limited cap space let him go out and try to find a big offer. The Bulls should be playing hardball here.
There is 0.00% chance that I'd give that guy anything close to a max contract. If another team signs him to one, you tell him, "thanks for your service," and let him go.
Yep.
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I don't think the Bulls have to worry about LaVine walking. He's an RFA, so they can match any offer that comes his way, and given his injury and inconsistency when he returned, I doubt any team is going to back up a Brinks truck for his services.
Seems like I've been disagreeing with you a lot today which is weird considering I probably agree with your comments 90% or more of the time.
As evidence to refute your point - Tony Snell, Matthew Dellavedova & John Henson will make between $9.5 and $11 million each this season. Or Jrue Holiday at 5 years / $131,805,000.
I agree that Lavine is not worth a huge contract based on what he has done (and that may have been your point and I'm just nitpicking). He also has no chemistry with Dunn in the back court - they compete harder against each other than the other team.
But this is the NBA - there is no limit to the stupid contracts that are given out.
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Seems like I've been disagreeing with you a lot today which is weird considering I probably agree with your comments 90% or more of the time.
As evidence to refute your point - Tony Snell, Matthew Dellavedova & John Henson will make between $9.5 and $11 million each this season. Or Jrue Holiday at 5 years / $131,805,000.
I agree that Lavine is not worth a huge contract based on what he has done (and that may have been your point and I'm just nitpicking). He also has no chemistry with Dunn in the back court - they compete harder against each other than the other team.
But this is the NBA - there is no limit to the stupid contracts that are given out.
Well, there is a bigly difference between a huge contract or stupid contract - which those of Snell, Dellavedova and Henson are - and a max contract, which is what was being discussed by a few of us.
There certainly is a chance that the Bulls (or some other team) will pay LaVine more than he is "worth."** There is 0.00% chance that anybody will give him a max deal.
(** Of course, one is "worth" whatever one can command on the open market, be it in sports or any other occupation.)
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Well, there is a bigly difference between a huge contract or stupid contract - which those of Snell, Dellavedova and Henson are - and a max contract, which is what was being discussed by a few of us.
There certainly is a chance that the Bulls (or some other team) will pay LaVine more than he is "worth."** There is 0.00% chance that anybody will give him a max deal.
While there is a bigly difference between a huge contract or stupid contract, often contracts are huge and stupid. Moreso in the NBA than any other sports league.
And while he certainly does not deserve anywhere near a max deal, he is an extremely gifted offensive player and there are lots of desperate owners.
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While there is a bigly difference between a huge contract or stupid contract, often contracts are huge and stupid. Moreso in the NBA than any other sports league.
And while he certainly does not deserve anywhere near a max deal, he is an extremely gifted offensive player and there are lots of desperate owners.
I meant huge deal and stupid deal as the same thing. Didn't phrase it right. Should have read:
Well, there is a bigly difference between a huge/stupid contract - which those of Snell, Dellavedova and Henson are - and a max contract, which is what was being discussed by a few of us.
brand, I agree that there probably are owners who will pay too much for a guy like LaVine. I stand by my statement that there is 0.00% chance he will get a max contract -- which according to the Tribune would be a 5-year, $146 million deal.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-spt-bulls-zach-lavine-contract-20180412-story.html
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I meant huge deal and stupid deal as the same thing. Didn't phrase it right. Should have read:
Well, there is a bigly difference between a huge/stupid contract - which those of Snell, Dellavedova and Henson are - and a max contract, which is what was being discussed by a few of us.
brand, I agree that there probably are owners who will pay too much for a guy like LaVine. I stand by my statement that there is 0.00% chance he will get a max contract -- which according to the Tribune would be a 5-year, $146 million deal.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-spt-bulls-zach-lavine-contract-20180412-story.html
I'd say there's a 3.3% chance of him getting the max. There are 30 teams and it only takes one of them to be really misguided and desperate enough to offer that up ;)
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The Bucks should find out who the Spurs like at 18 and take them at 17. ;D
I am intrigued by Okobo, the French PG. I like Huerter for his shooting. The rest of the prospects in the Bucks range are meh.
But most importantly, anybody but Mitchell Robinson. Strikes me as a total flake.
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Supposedly Bridges didn't do well in his Bulls workout, but that just might be a smoke screen. I can see Porter
Young is still a 6ft. PG. Worth a lottery pick? Bulls are unhappy with Dunn's offseason effort but can GarPax admit the blew the Jimmy Butler trade so early by giving up on their PG of the future by drafting Young? I don't think their egos will allow it, especially if LeVine walks.
I have to say, I don't believe that the Butler trade rests on Dunn.
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Jerome Robinson is going to end up being a lottery pick.
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The Bucks should find out who the Spurs like at 18 and take them at 17. ;D
#thecardinalsway
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The Bucks should find out who the Spurs like at 18 and take them at 17. ;D
I am intrigued by Okobo, the French PG. I like Huerter for his shooting. The rest of the prospects in the Bucks range are meh.
But most importantly, anybody but Mitchell Robinson. Strikes me as a total flake.
He's LARRY SANDERS part 2
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Will Chandler Parsons ever be healthy? While obviously a bad contract, if he could be 80% of what he was for the Rockets/Mavs I'd gladly take his contract to get #4. I'd love Bamba at 4 and would let Jabari walk if the Bucks could find a way to clear some cap space to take on Parsons's bad contract for 2 years. He'd be one of the better shooters on the Bucks, sadly.
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Just based on what I saw of him in his one season at Texas, Bamba seemed like an even-worse-shooting version of Mutombo. Shotblockers who can't shoot a lick are out of vogue in the NBA.
But maybe I'm wrong and Shaka didn't let him show his offensive game. I guess we'll see soon enough.
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Porter might be this generation's Bowie/Oden, I'd stay far away from him.
I'd avoid him in the top-2, but if he gets to 7, he could be an absolute steal. Definitely a boom or bust pick, but once you get past Ayton and Doncic, I'm not sure anyone is a sure thing.
That includes Bagley, who I think will put up numbers but I'm not sure is a franchise changing player like Porter could be. I could see Bagley being one of those great fantasy players, monster numbers on bad teams, for a long time.
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Just based on what I saw of him in his one season at Texas, Bamba seemed like an even-worse-shooting version of Mutombo. Shotblockers who can't shoot a lick are out of vogue in the NBA.
But maybe I'm wrong and Shaka didn't let him show his offensive game. I guess we'll see soon enough.
The hope would be Bamba becomes Rudy Gobert. He might be Hasheem Thabeet because the draft can be a crapshoot.
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The hope would be Bamba becomes Rudy Gobert. He might be Hasheem Thabeet because the draft can be a crapshoot.
I see Bamba more like Clint Capela, rim running, shot blocking big. But guys like CC couldn't stay on the floor during crunch time (at least in the playoffs) in the modern NBA because of small ball, and the fact these guys lack the lateral quickness to keep up when teams play smaller guys @ the five.
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I see Bamba more like Clint Capela, rim running, shot blocking big. But guys like CC couldn't stay on the floor during crunch time (at least in the playoffs) in the modern NBA because of small ball, and the fact these guys lack the lateral quickness to keep up when teams play smaller guys @ the five.
I was comparing defensive impact more than offense. Capela is a nice comp for offense.
Bamba did hit a handful of 3s last year. Still has a really long way to go as a shooter but it's a start.
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If Porter Jr. is healthy, he could be far and away the best player in the draft. If his back isn't healthy, he could be a out of the league in 2-3 years.
He could drop after the news about him potentially sitting out his first season due to his health, but I can't see him slipping past the Clippers who have picks #12 and 13.
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I will be waiting breathlessly for my name to be called, as I do every year. Just need that one chance.
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If Porter Jr. is healthy, he could be far and away the best player in the draft. If his back isn't healthy, he could be a out of the league in 2-3 years.
He could drop after the news about him potentially sitting out his first season due to his health, but I can't see him slipping past the Clippers who have picks #12 and 13.
Completely fine with the Bulls taking a chance on the upside if he is there.
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I see Bamba more like Clint Capela, rim running, shot blocking big. But guys like CC couldn't stay on the floor during crunch time (at least in the playoffs) in the modern NBA because of small ball, and the fact these guys lack the lateral quickness to keep up when teams play smaller guys @ the five.
Bamba's speed and agility numbers are insane though. He's raw, but I think he's more of an athletic anomaly like Embiid than he is a gangly shot blocker with coordination issues like a Thabeet. And to go off Lazar's point, videos of him shooting 3s this offseason show that he has potentially a very workable shot.
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Will Chandler Parsons ever be healthy? While obviously a bad contract, if he could be 80% of what he was for the Rockets/Mavs I'd gladly take his contract to get #4. I'd love Bamba at 4 and would let Jabari walk if the Bucks could find a way to clear some cap space to take on Parsons's bad contract for 2 years. He'd be one of the better shooters on the Bucks, sadly.
Less than 8pts per game...23mil per year ...two years left at this pay rate....seriously?
Next to my Rockets saddled with 20 mill per year for one dimensional Ryan Anderson (we cant get anyone to take him in a trade, durn it)...Chandler is the definition of an overpriced under production albatross contract in the NBA.
Chandler is not a spot up three shooter(like Anderson)..his best play is slashing to basket in a motion offense...which he no longer can explode to because of his knee. You want the Bucks to waste 46 mil over this year and next for this guy?
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Less than 8pts per game...23mil per year ...two years left at this pay rate....seriously?
Next to my Rockets saddled with 20 mill per year for one dimensional Ryan Anderson (we cant get anyone to take him in a trade, durn it)...Chandler is the definition of an overpriced under production albatross contract in the NBA.
Chandler is not a spot up three shooter(like Anderson)..his best play is slashing to basket in a motion offense...which he no longer can explode to because of his knee. You want the Bucks to waste 46 mil over this year and next for this guy?
To bring in Bamba or Doncic? Yes.
Less than 8 points per game...in 36 games.
He's a career 38% 3 point shooter. Not a total sniper, but better than most on the Bucks.
He was a stud in Houston and Dallas. If he can get close to healthy he can be a contributing piece to the Bucks and if it brings back a top 4 pick in this draft, yes I'm taking him even as an overpriced player for the next 2 years.
There are about 3 teams in the NBA that have a chance at a title in the next 2 seasons. The Warriors, the Rockets, and the Celtics. If you can land Doncic or Bamba, you have a ton of money coming off the books the year Parsons' contract would expire and you can extend Middleton, Brogdon, Giannis, and find supporting players that actually fit around those three.
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I believe Chandler Parsons will be a Bull soon.
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When y'all think Ners will get drafted?
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I believe Chandler Parsons will be a Bull soon.
Just a hunch? So they take on his contract and give up what else to move to 4 in this scenario? And are they moving up for Jackson? Doncic if he somehow falls?
Just curious.
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Just a hunch? So they take on his contract and give up what else to move to 4 in this scenario? And are they moving up for Jackson? Doncic if he somehow falls?
Just curious.
Lopez, #7, #22 for Parsons and #4?
Could they get Memphis to take back Asik instead of Lopez? He's owed $23M over the next 2 seasons.
No matter where they pick, I'm just hoping the Bulls don't take Trae Young.
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Lopez, #7, #22 for Parsons and #4?
Could they get Memphis to take back Asik instead of Lopez? He's owed $23M over the next 2 seasons.
No matter where they pick, I'm just hoping the Bulls don't take Trae Young.
Agree with you on Young.
Giving up both picks to move to 4 plus take on Parsons' contract seems like too much. That would be a no for me. I guess it depends on who is available at 4 and how they feel about him.
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Agree with you on Young.
Giving up both picks to move to 4 plus take on Parsons' contract seems like too much. That would be a no for me. I guess it depends on who is available at 4 and how they feel about him.
I agree that it would really depend on who's available at #4. If it's the guy that the Bulls believe can be a franchise cornerstone, I'd have no qualms with giving up both #1's to get him. With the top of the draft so frosh-heavy, there's value to be had outside the top 20 (Portis, RHJ, Brogdon, Murray, Kuzma, Hart, etc) especially for guys who can come in and contribute right away.
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Just a hunch? So they take on his contract and give up what else to move to 4 in this scenario? And are they moving up for Jackson? Doncic if he somehow falls?
Just curious.
Hunch on my part. I would not move pick 22 in this scenario, unless I’m getting a future first round swap with Memphis. Figure Asik + 7, future second, for Parsons + 4.
I have no idea who Bulls covet at 4, but I think they want to move up.
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Hunch on my part. I would not move pick 22 in this scenario, unless I’m getting a future first round swap with Memphis. Figure Asik + 7, future second, for Parsons + 4.
I have no idea who Bulls covet at 4, but I think they want to move up.
Now if that was the scenario I would strongly consider it if I was the Bulls. Including both 7 and 22 is too much for my tastes. I think they can get a nice player at 22.
I'm hoping they actually buy a 2nd rounder this year but that's obviously extremely unlikely.
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ESPN reporting that the Bulls and Mavs are talking about swapping picks. Mavs would slide down for Porter. Bulls presumably are interested in Bamba.
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Agree with you on Young.
Giving up both picks to move to 4 plus take on Parsons' contract seems like too much. That would be a no for me. I guess it depends on who is available at 4 and how they feel about him.
The last time I heard this much "please don't take him" talk from Bulls fans had to do with Noah. Most Bulls fans I knew (and I knew a lot of them) desperately wanted the team to take anybody else.
Doesn't mean y'all are "wrong" about Young, of course.
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The last time I heard this much "please don't take him" talk from Bulls fans had to do with Noah. Most Bulls fans I knew (and I knew a lot of them) desperately wanted the team to take anybody else.
Doesn't mean y'all are "wrong" about Young, of course.
That's fair. However, I do feel like more of the "don't take him" talk around Noah was because he was obnoxious and viewed as a clown. He's the prototypical "I like him on my team but would hate him on another." Personally, I don't want Young because I view him as a stat-chasing chucker.
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That's fair. However, I do feel like more of the "don't take him" talk around Noah was because he was obnoxious and viewed as a clown. He's the prototypical "I like him on my team but would hate him on another." Personally, I don't want Young because I view him as a stat-chasing chucker.
So, there are reasons why Young might not be worth a top 10 pick (size, athleticism, durability questions), but being a "stat-chasing chucker" isn't one of them.
It's bizarre to me that a guy who easily led the nation in assists and singlehandedly dragged a mediocre team to a tournament bid (that they probably didn't deserve, but still) is constantly portrayed as some sort of selfish, me-first guy. Young dominated the ball at Oklahoma, because that's what his coach told and needed him to do if that team was going to have any chance to win games. To think Young would be the exact same guy surrounded by NBA talent is, I think, misguided.
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The last time I heard this much "please don't take him" talk from Bulls fans had to do with Noah. Most Bulls fans I knew (and I knew a lot of them) desperately wanted the team to take anybody else.
Doesn't mean y'all are "wrong" about Young, of course.
I was certainly in that boat. And ended up loving him as a player. I couldn't have been more wrong.
And for the record, I am not against Young at all. Sure seems like a guy that can do everything on the court.
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The last time I heard this much "please don't take him" talk from Bulls fans had to do with Noah. Most Bulls fans I knew (and I knew a lot of them) desperately wanted the team to take anybody else.
Doesn't mean y'all are "wrong" about Young, of course.
Personally, I had no issue with Noah, aside from thinking he was a bit of a turd at the time but I know that was a common sentiment.
Of course I could be way off about Young but I like other players better and I'm fine with Dunn at the one. He still has a lot of work to do but I like the size and defense he brings to the position.
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First 6 picks, according to Woj (though he couched it as this is how it's "taking shape"):
1. Ayton
2. Bagley
3. Doncic
4. Jackson
5. Bamba
6. Young
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First 6 picks, according to Woj (though he couched it as this is how it's "taking shape"):
1. Ayton
2. Bagley
3. Doncic
4. Jackson
5. Bamba
6. Young
Maybe just a typo, but maybe not... He didn't list a team with Jackson
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Meh, really wanted the Bulls to take a flyer on Porter. But I guess they were the first to evaluate their injury.
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Meh, really wanted the Bulls to take a flyer on Porter. But I guess they were the first to evaluate their injury.
Pax gonna Pax
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Meh, really wanted the Bulls to take a flyer on Porter. But I guess they were the first to evaluate their injury.
Pax gonna Pax
And yet Porter Jr is still out there. Pax deserves his share of criticism but there's a reason he hasn't been drafted yet.
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And yet Porter Jr is still out there. Pax deserves his share of criticism but there's a reason he hasn't been drafted yet.
It's not as though Porter is miles about the other talent at the top end of the draft. If he was he would be worth the risk, but playing it safe and getting similar talent is the right move.
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Can't shake the feeling that the Bulls took the big man version of Lu Deng.
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Can't shake the feeling that the Bulls took the big man version of Lu Deng.
That's somehow a bad thing at 7?
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DDV BABYYY
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Looks like he'll be playing in the Chaluparena next year after all. I think that's a good pick for the Bucks.
Nice scorer off the bench and can shoot, which the Bucks need.
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Nice pick. Hope it works out.
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A bonus is that MPD will like the Bucks pick too!
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A bonus is that MPD will like the Bucks pick too!
It wasn’t teal so I’m going to call you on it- brutal, not funny and racial profiling
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It wasn’t teal so I’m going to call you on it- brutal, not funny and racial profiling
Ooooo!!! You're "calling me on it?" Whatever will I do????
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The L-7 in this bunch are just having a tough, tough time letting go of the election aina?
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It wasn’t teal so I’m going to call you on it- brutal, not funny and racial profiling
Much like some members of the MPD
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The L-7 in this bunch are just having a tough, tough time letting go of the election aina?
Oh irony. Sweet, delicious, irony. You never disappoint.
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The L-7 in this bunch are just having a tough, tough time letting go of the election aina?
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What does the election have to do with the NBA draft?
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That's somehow a bad thing at 7?
Not necessarily bad ... just not particularly good. Deng, even in his best years, amounted to no more than a third option on a contender. He was never a lead/go-to guy. IMO, iwhen you're picking this high you need to aim for guys with that kind of potential. Instead, the Bulls played it safe.
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I like Divencenzo, but think I would’ve liked Robert Williams more.
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Not necessarily bad ... just not particularly good. Deng, even in his best years, amounted to no more than a third option on a contender. He was never a lead/go-to guy. IMO, iwhen you're picking this high you need to aim for guys with that kind of potential. Instead, the Bulls played it safe.
So who did you want? Porter Jr? Anyone else?
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The L-7 in this bunch are just having a tough, tough time letting go of the election aina?
You've been breathing in too much nitrous.
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I like Divencenzo, but think I would’ve liked Robert Williams more.
I agree with this, I kinda really like Robert Williams. That said, Divencenzo feels like an NBA glue guy.
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So who did you want? Porter Jr? Anyone else?
Porter or Sexton for sure.
Look, I'm not saying Carter is a bust or terrible pick. Just don't see him as a star and when you're picking that high, you should try to draft a star. Maybe I'm wrong and he's Horford 2.0. Or maybe he's Brandan Wright 2.0.
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It wasn’t teal so I’m going to call you on it- brutal, not funny and racial profiling
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Porter or Sexton for sure.
Look, I'm not saying Carter is a bust or terrible pick. Just don't see him as a star and when you're picking that high, you should try to draft a star. Maybe I'm wrong and he's Horford 2.0. Or maybe he's Brandan Wright 2.0.
Fair. I wouldn't have had a huge issue if they took a risk on Porter. Sexton didn't do much for me.
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I like Divencenzo, but think I would’ve liked Robert Williams more.
Trust me. You wouldn't have.
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I like Divencenzo, but think I would’ve liked Robert Williams more.
Williams has a higher ceiling, but I think DDV provides value immediately. And he fills a skill that the Bucks lack.
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A lot of talent left in the second round. If I had my wish the Bucks would’ve taken Williams at 17 and bought an early second rounder to get Brunson or Thomas or a mid second rounder to get Carr.
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I don’t mind if the Bucks buy a 2nd rounder and take Malik Newman.
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The ultimate draft and stash eh?
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Kostas taken by 76ers in the second round.
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Mr. Irrelevant! The Philly Flyer!
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Not nearly as big a Hornets fan as I am a Panthers fan, but I'd rather them win than lose. I'm underwhelmed by their draft. They desperately needed a home run. I'd liked to have seen them swing for the fences with Porter. If he flamed out, they wouldn't be any worse.
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Pretty weak draft all in all. Bulls played it safe. Ragu fills a need for the Bucks.
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Kostas taken by 76ers in the second round.
I didn't watch the last few picks and thought you were kidding. Wow. When is the last time a guy who averaged 15 minutes a game for a mid major that finished with a sub .500 record got drafted into the NBA?
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I didn't watch the last few picks and thought you were kidding. Wow. When is the last time a guy who averaged 15 minutes a game for a mid major that finished with a sub .500 record got drafted into the NBA?
There had been some pre-draft rumbling the Sixers were really intrigued by his neck.
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I didn't watch the last few picks and thought you were kidding. Wow. When is the last time a guy who averaged 15 minutes a game for a mid major that finished with a sub .500 record got drafted into the NBA?
Typical low-risk, high-reward type pick. Stash him in Europe or the G League for a couple years.
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Seeing the "feel good" story of Mikal Bridges getting drafted by Philly, but then immediately traded was brutal. And kind of funny.
I thought Ayton's reaction to the Zhaire Smith pick was odd. But when they announced the trade moments later, I figured that Ayton knew about the trade, and that's why he had no reaction to the Smith pick.
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Seeing the "feel good" story of Mikal Bridges getting drafted by Philly, but then immediately traded was brutal. And kind of funny.
I thought Ayton's reaction to the Zhaire Smith pick was odd. But when they announced the trade moments later, I figured that Ayton knew about the trade, and that's why he had no reaction to the Smith pick.
I felt for Bridges. Gets drafted by his hometown team, a team that will have a chance to compete for best of the East and a few minutes later he is traded to the friggin Suns.
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I felt for Bridges. Gets drafted by his hometown team, a team that will have a chance to compete for best of the East and a few minutes later he is traded to the friggin Suns.
Yeah, I felt bad for him too. "Welcome to the NBA, son."
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I felt for Bridges. Gets drafted by his hometown team, a team that will have a chance to compete for best of the East and a few minutes later he is traded to the friggin Suns.
Not to mention his mom is the Sixers VP of Human Resources and was gushing about how excited she was too.
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Williams has a higher ceiling, but I think DDV provides value immediately. And he fills a skill that the Bucks lack.
Inauspicious start for Williams. Was supposed to do a conference call with the local Boston media this morning, but it's been postponed because the Celtics can't find him.
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I felt for Bridges. Gets drafted by his hometown team, a team that will have a chance to compete for best of the East and a few minutes later he is traded to the friggin Suns.
To be fair, that team has a lot of intriguing pieces. Ayton and Bridges to add to Josh Jackson, Devin Booker, Tyler Ulis, and Bender. They could get very good in a hurry. They are actually pretty similar to the Sixers. And there are a lot worse places to be young and wealthy than Phoenix.
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Inauspicious start for Williams. Was supposed to do a conference call with the local Boston media this morning, but it's been postponed because the Celtics can't find him.
Hopin' he didn't pull a Bias, hey?
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Bucks had a deal in place with Atlanta to drop from 17 to 19 because Atlanta wanted Huerter or another unidentified player and thought Bucks and Spurs would take both.
When Charania tweeted that the Bucks were taking DDV, Atlanta backed out of the deal.
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I didn't watch the last few picks and thought you were kidding. Wow. When is the last time a guy who averaged 15 minutes a game for a mid major that finished with a sub .500 record got drafted into the NBA?
This just proves Wojo should have taken him. Then we'd all have another Marquette player in the NBA.
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When is the last time a guy who averaged 15 minutes a game for a mid major that finished with a sub .500 record got drafted into the NBA?
Kostas is already 20. Look at his Dayton stats.
Compare that to Giannis, who averaged 12.7 ppg and 6.7 rpg in the Association when he was 20. Just a bit different, huh?
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Maybe Philly is thinking about using Kostas the way Wojo used Wally.
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As a high jumpa, hey?
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From The Ringer:
The Mavericks started the night with a bang by trading up for Doncic. They ended it by trading for the no. 60 pick: Kostas Antetokounmpo. Giannis’s brother is raw both physically and as a player, but the tools are there for him to be an impact defender who can space the floor. Maybe if Kostas develops into a player for the Mavs, Giannis will have eyes for Dallas during his free agency in 2021. You never know.
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Maybe Philly is thinking about using Kostas the way Wojo used Wally.
He's a Mav anyway - welcome to the Texas Legends Kostas.
As for Mikal... not happy to say the least. Would have been a perfect 3 and D plug into our system that is severely needed.
Donte should be a good fit for the Bucks. That is, after he overcomes his far too commonplace brain lapses and puts all of his tools together as he did in the Bama and Michigan games.
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He's a Mav anyway - welcome to the Texas Legends Kostas.
As for Mikal... not happy to say the least. Would have been a perfect 3 and D plug into our system that is severely needed.
Donte should be a good fit for the Bucks. That is, after he overcomes his far too commonplace brain lapses and puts all of his tools together as he did in the Bama and Michigan games.
Common brain lapses? I think he'll fit in on the Bucks just fine.
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Hornets signed J.P. Macura to a 2-way contract.
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Bucks had a deal in place with Atlanta to drop from 17 to 19 because Atlanta wanted Huerter or another unidentified player and thought Bucks and Spurs would take both.
When Charania tweeted that the Bucks were taking DDV, Atlanta backed out of the deal.
Adrian Wojnarowski cost the Bucks a first round pick. Atlanta was willing to give up 19 & 30 to pick Huerter at 17. They had two guys targeted for 19 (Huerter was one of them) and Woj's tweet let them know at least one would be available.
If I'm Milwaukee, I'd be pissed. Not sure what they can do, but Woj tweeting hurts the draft process.
http://amp.si.com/nba/2018/06/23/mikal-bridges-zhaire-smith-donte-divincenzo-draft-trade-sixers-suns-bucks-pacers-hawks
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Adrian Wojnarowski cost the Bucks a first round pick. Atlanta was willing to give up 19 & 30 to pick Huerter at 17. They had two guys targeted for 19 (Huerter was one of them) and Woj's tweet let them know at least one would be available.
If I'm Milwaukee, I'd be pissed. Not sure what they can do, but Woj tweeting hurts the draft process.
http://amp.si.com/nba/2018/06/23/mikal-bridges-zhaire-smith-donte-divincenzo-draft-trade-sixers-suns-bucks-pacers-hawks
Bucks/ddv camp could have kept it quiet until announced. It's not like he's psychic. Someone is telling him the picks. Don't want him to tweet it? Don't tell him.
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Right. I have no problem with what Woj did. That’s his job.
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Trust me. You wouldn't have.
TAMU - Can you give a little insight on Williams. I see that you aren’t a fan. As a Celtics fan I loved the pick because we could definitely use some length/youth/athleticism in the front court. I’ve heard the knocks on Williams attitude/effort/commitment and I’m assuming it’s all legit given he dropped so far in the draft. How much of it is true and how much of it was maybe a bad culture down at A&M?
I still like the pick because the Celtics can afford a high risk high reward at this point. And I like to think that we have a great organization and staff that can get Williams on the right page.
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Adrian Wojnarowski cost the Bucks a first round pick. Atlanta was willing to give up 19 & 30 to pick Huerter at 17. They had two guys targeted for 19 (Huerter was one of them) and Woj's tweet let them know at least one would be available.
If I'm Milwaukee, I'd be pissed. Not sure what they can do, but Woj tweeting hurts the draft process.
http://amp.si.com/nba/2018/06/23/mikal-bridges-zhaire-smith-donte-divincenzo-draft-trade-sixers-suns-bucks-pacers-hawks
Not his fault. The guy that leaked the pick to him is the one that should get the blame.
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Adrian Wojnarowski cost the Bucks a first round pick. Atlanta was willing to give up 19 & 30 to pick Huerter at 17. They had two guys targeted for 19 (Huerter was one of them) and Woj's tweet let them know at least one would be available.
If I'm Milwaukee, I'd be pissed. Not sure what they can do, but Woj tweeting hurts the draft process.
http://amp.si.com/nba/2018/06/23/mikal-bridges-zhaire-smith-donte-divincenzo-draft-trade-sixers-suns-bucks-pacers-hawks
First, it was Shams Charania's tweet that tipped off the Hawks, not Woj's.
Second, this is a part of the draft process. Teams need to account for it like any other factor in the process. If they don't and get burned by it, that's on them, not a journalist doing his job.
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Any sportswriter who leaks picks is doing nothing more than puffing his chest in an attempt to show how important and well-connected he is. It has nothing to do with breaking news and everything to do with stroking one's own ego.
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Any sportswriter who leaks picks is doing nothing more than puffing his chest in an attempt to show how important and well-connected he is. It has nothing to do with breaking news and everything to do with stroking one's own ego.
Not really the case. I didn't watch any of the draft on TV but rather followed the picks on twitter through Woj and Shams.
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Any sportswriter who leaks picks is doing nothing more than puffing his chest in an attempt to show how important and well-connected he is. It has nothing to do with breaking news and everything to do with stroking one's own ego.
I think it has as much to do with job security and salary as it does ego. Access and favor with the sources you cover = $$.
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Any sportswriter who leaks picks is doing nothing more than puffing his chest in an attempt to show how important and well-connected he is. It has nothing to do with breaking news and everything to do with stroking one's own ego.
1. It's not leaking anything. These aren't safely guarded state secrets here. It's passing along information.
2. It has everything to do with breaking news. It's literally the reason about 2.4 million people follow Woj on Twitter, because they want this news as quickly as possible. If he simply regurgitated the pciks after they were made on television, nobody would follow him.
3. What do you suggest, exactly? They not do their jobs? Again, if the Bucks or anyone else doesn't want this to happen, they should tell people who they're going to pick until they make the pick.
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I think it has as much to do with job security and salary as it does ego. Access and favor with the sources you cover = $$.
ESPN told him not to announce picks before they were made. Ordered, rather. That's why he worded them the way he did. Like Merritts said, this was ego flexing.
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1. It's not leaking anything. These aren't safely guarded state secrets here. It's passing along information.
2. It has everything to do with breaking news. It's literally the reason about 2.4 million people follow Woj on Twitter, because they want this news as quickly as possible. If he simply regurgitated the pciks after they were made on television, nobody would follow him.
3. What do you suggest, exactly? They not do their jobs? Again, if the Bucks or anyone else doesn't want this to happen, they should tell people who they're going to pick until they make the pick.
You really think that 2.4M people follow Woj just so they can find out an NBA Draft pick 90 seconds before it's announced on TV?
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You really think that 2.4M people follow Woj just so they can find out an NBA Draft pick 90 seconds before it's announced on TV?
I think, as I've written already, that 2.4 million people follow him because they want NBA news as quickly as possible.
But I will note that he picked up nearly 50K followers in the three days before the draft.
Serious question ... why do you care? If you need to hear the draft picks from Adam Silver's mouth, and only Adam Silver's mouth, nothing is preventing that.
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ESPN told him not to announce picks before they were made. Ordered, rather. That's why he worded them the way he did. Like Merritts said, this was ego flexing.
This ^
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ESPN told him not to announce picks before they were made. Ordered, rather. That's why he worded them the way he did. Like Merritts said, this was ego flexing.
It was a ridiculous order. That’s why they hired him.
Regardless it’s ESPN’s problem if they want to deal with it. (They won’t do anything substantial.) i much prefer reporters be allowed to do their job and not shackled by their employers.
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I think, as I've written already, that 2.4 million people follow him because they want NBA news as quickly as possible.
But I will note that he picked up nearly 50K followers in the three days before the draft.
Serious question ... why do you care? If you need to hear the draft picks from Adam Silver's mouth, and only Adam Silver's mouth, nothing is preventing that.
Excellent question.
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I think, as I've written already, that 2.4 million people follow him because they want NBA news as quickly as possible.
But I will note that he picked up nearly 50K followers in the three days before the draft.
Serious question ... why do you care? If you need to hear the draft picks from Adam Silver's mouth, and only Adam Silver's mouth, nothing is preventing that.
I didn't even watch/follow the draft. I just don't understand the point of "breaking" the news of a pick just before it happens other than for the reporter to be able to pound his chest.
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I didn't even watch/follow the draft. I just don't understand the point of "breaking" the news of a pick just before it happens other than for the reporter to be able to pound his chest.
Well, there's the "It's his job" angle. That is, Woj's job is to be the first with news of interest to NBA fans. That draws interest/viewership to his employer.
What would be the point of him developing sources, obtaining information and then sitting on it until it's announced publicly?
As Sultan aptly points out, it's stupid for ESPN to hire a guy who's built a brand on knowing and reporting NBA news before anyone else, and then expect him not to do that. He's doing exactly what they hired him to do (and I very much doubt they're upset with him for doing it on draft night).
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Fire Woj!
Wait, I'm in the wrong thread. Sorry.
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It was a ridiculous order. That’s why they hired him.
Regardless it’s ESPN’s problem if they want to deal with it. (They won’t do anything substantial.) i much prefer reporters be allowed to do their job and not shackled by their employers.
When it's such a small window, I'd prefer GMs be able to do their job too. It's not like breaking these when they will be announced in a couple minutes is consequential.
I understand the whole "protect your leaks" aspect, but who does this actually serve to leak it 90 seconds early other than his ego?
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When it's such a small window, I'd prefer GMs be able to do their job too. It's not like breaking these when they will be announced in a couple minutes is consequential.
I understand the whole "protect your leaks" aspect, but who does this actually serve to leak it 90 seconds early other than his ego?
Exactly!
Breaking news on trades, free agency, coaching changes, rule changes, etc. That's actual worthwhile news to report. Saying who the Grizzlies are about to draft 2 minutes before it's announced? What purpose does that serve?
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It was a ridiculous order. That’s why they hired him.
Regardless it’s ESPN’s problem if they want to deal with it. (They won’t do anything substantial.) i much prefer reporters be allowed to do their job and not shackled by their employers.
It was the NBA that ordered it through ESPN, Turner Sports, and Yahoo. Woj basically mocked the notion. Guess it's just the new world order for the NBA.
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When it's such a small window, I'd prefer GMs be able to do their job too. It's not like breaking these when they will be announced in a couple minutes is consequential.
I understand the whole "protect your leaks" aspect, but who does this actually serve to leak it 90 seconds early other than his ego?
Nothing Woj or any other reporter did during the draft prevented an NBA GM from doing his job.
You're shooting the messenger here.
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The problem isn't Woj, it's whoever is leaking things to Woj.
I'm always curious how reporters develop sources like this. What benefit does the leaker get? If I'm the Bucks GM, I would fire the guy who leaked the draft pick and cost them an additional first round pick. What benefit do they get that outweighs that risk?
I get it in whistleblower type situations but draft picks? Does the leaker just get a thrill out of it? Does Woj return the favor somehow?
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I thought it was fun and hilarious how Woj was going to keep wording his tweets, I enjoyed that.
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The problem isn't Woj, it's whoever is leaking things to Woj.
I'm always curious how reporters develop sources like this. What benefit does the leaker get? If I'm the Bucks GM, I would fire the guy who leaked the draft pick and cost them an additional first round pick. What benefit do they get that outweighs that risk?
I get it in whistleblower type situations but draft picks? Does the leaker just get a thrill out of it? Does Woj return the favor somehow?
I think the sources sometimes are agents and Woj shares info back.
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I think the sources sometimes are agents and Woj shares info back.
True ... but the agents only know because the teams are telling them "we're taking your guy at 17."
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I get it in whistleblower type situations but draft picks? Does the leaker just get a thrill out of it? Does Woj return the favor somehow?
Reporting often is a two-way street.
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This is awesome.
https://mobile.twitter.com/markstrot/status/1011777283504394242
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This is awesome.
https://mobile.twitter.com/markstrot/status/1011777283504394242
I EFFEN LOVE THAT!!!!
Thanks for posting, chickadee.
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celtics pick #27 in round 1, robert williams, off to a tough start. guys would be giving their left ones to be in his position
for those of you keeping score at home-spurned offer to be at draft in brooklyn(O....kay) over sleeps conference call day after draft after spending the previous night with family at buffalo wild wings...rescheduled call plagued by, ummmm, poor sound quality(hmmmmm) missed flight for sunday's workout-awesome...any other teams in the market for a 6'10" "sleeper"??
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23967447/robert-williams-absent-boston-celtics-first-summer-league-practice
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I meant huge deal and stupid deal as the same thing. Didn't phrase it right. Should have read:
Well, there is a bigly difference between a huge/stupid contract - which those of Snell, Dellavedova and Henson are - and a max contract, which is what was being discussed by a few of us.
brand, I agree that there probably are owners who will pay too much for a guy like LaVine. I stand by my statement that there is 0.00% chance he will get a max contract -- which according to the Tribune would be a 5-year, $146 million deal.
You were correct with both statements.
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You were correct with both statements.
Even a blind squirrel ...