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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on March 21, 2018, 10:28:12 AM

Title: Sam having hip surgery
Post by: tower912 on March 21, 2018, 10:28:12 AM
Ben Steele confirming on twitter. 4-5 month recovery time.
Title: Re: Sam having hip surgery
Post by: Galway Eagle on March 21, 2018, 10:52:28 AM
Ben Steele confirming on twitter. 4-5 month recovery time.

4-5 months recovery hurts when basketball offseason is only 6-7 months depending on if you say practice or games are beginning.
Title: Re: Sam having hip surgery
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 21, 2018, 10:56:33 AM
Best case scenario is he's able to be 100% by late July.  Sam is already a pretty polished player so missing this time won't hurt as much as it would for some other guys.  Hopefully he'll still be able to use those couple of months before the season starts to continue to get even better. 
Title: Re: Sam having hip surgery
Post by: Tosadoc on March 21, 2018, 11:06:30 AM
My question to Wojo and the staff is why he risked further injury to the hip
playing in the NIT?? He certainly wasn't himself the last few games.
Title: Re: Sam having hip surgery
Post by: jsglow on March 21, 2018, 11:09:12 AM
My question to Wojo and the staff is why he risked further injury to the hip
playing in the NIT?? He certainly wasn't himself the last few games.

Because we were trying to win in March.  I'm sure if the docs felt it too risky, they would have sat him down.
Title: Re: Sam having hip surgery
Post by: muwarrior69 on March 21, 2018, 11:13:51 AM
My question to Wojo and the staff is why he risked further injury to the hip
playing in the NIT?? He certainly wasn't himself the last few games.

Because like many here the only thing that matters is winning.
Title: Re: Sam having hip surgery
Post by: tower912 on March 21, 2018, 11:15:12 AM
My question to Wojo and the staff is why he risked further injury to the hip
playing in the NIT?? He certainly wasn't himself the last few games.

Big Daddy referenced that it had been determined that playing would not harm it further.   Sam wanted to play.    There weren't many other options. 
Title: Re: Sam having hip surgery
Post by: muwarrior69 on March 21, 2018, 11:16:01 AM
Ben Steele confirming on twitter. 4-5 month recovery time.

Any word on Elliots hand/thumb?
Title: Re: Sam having hip surgery
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 21, 2018, 11:19:39 AM
Any word on Elliots hand/thumb?

Surgery too.
Title: Re: Sam having hip surgery
Post by: Goose on March 21, 2018, 11:20:27 AM
jsglow

I did not know that Sam has a 4-5 rehab ahead of him prior to this morning. I think I would have passed on March success and held him out. We did have not great success in Jan or Feb, so to think March would be the month, might have been wishful thinking.
Title: Re: Sam having hip surgery
Post by: kryza on March 21, 2018, 11:33:15 AM
Because like many here the only thing that matters is winning whining.
Title: Re: Sam having hip surgery
Post by: jsglow on March 21, 2018, 11:52:14 AM
jsglow

I did not know that Sam has a 4-5 rehab ahead of him prior to this morning. I think I would have passed on March success and held him out. We did have not great success in Jan or Feb, so to think March would be the month, might have been wishful thinking.

Disagree vehemently.  Championship mentality is earned every day.  Ask yourself this.  Armed with the exact same information, do you think Vince Lombardi would have sat him?  Therein lies your answer.
Title: Re: Sam having hip surgery
Post by: MUEng92 on March 21, 2018, 12:11:08 PM
Maybe during his recovery period, he could develop a Larry Bird like shooting form that only requires a jump of 1" off the ground.
Title: Re: Sam having hip surgery
Post by: The Lens on March 21, 2018, 12:26:49 PM
Disagree vehemently.  Championship mentality is earned every day.  Ask yourself this.  Armed with the exact same information, do you think Vince Lombardi would have sat him?  Therein lies your answer.

LOL, you just invoked Lombardi when talking about the NIT.
Title: Re: Sam having hip surgery
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 21, 2018, 12:33:29 PM
Guessin' SH has a torn labrum, aina?
Title: Re: Sam having hip surgery
Post by: lohaus on March 21, 2018, 12:34:54 PM
Guessin' SH has a torn labrum, aina?

That would be my guess with a FAI.  Maybe shaving some bone down to smooth it out and repair labrum.
Title: Re: Sam having hip surgery
Post by: Goose on March 21, 2018, 12:39:59 PM
Lens

When I think NIT, I automatically think Lombardi and The Glory Years. Silly me, I thought everyone did.
Title: Re: Sam having hip surgery
Post by: MUfan12 on March 21, 2018, 12:44:10 PM
Guessin' SH has a torn labrum, aina?

Correct.
Title: Re: Sam having hip surgery
Post by: 79Warrior on March 21, 2018, 02:05:04 PM
Disagree vehemently.  Championship mentality is earned every day.  Ask yourself this.  Armed with the exact same information, do you think Vince Lombardi would have sat him?  Therein lies your answer.

Silly comparison. Pros versus kids.
Title: Re: Sam having hip surgery
Post by: jsglow on March 21, 2018, 02:33:11 PM
Yeah, because giving one's best is foreign in our culture today. The way you become a champion is to play like a champion.  It is precisely the reason that Lombardi is the greatest coach in any sport ever. Nobody suggests that Sam should have risked further injury. That's foolish. But with that risk considered and deemed at or near zero, we WIN EVERY DAY.  Or do you armchairs think that's only a slogan?
Title: Re: Sam having hip surgery
Post by: Goose on March 21, 2018, 02:36:13 PM
This armchair thinks it is slogan at MU. I do believe organizations and sport teams live that mantra. To believe Wojo & Co. fall into that camp is being a bit naive, IMO.
Title: Re: Sam having hip surgery
Post by: tower912 on March 21, 2018, 02:37:29 PM
It is a fascinating juxtaposition with the USC players voting on whether to play in the NIT.  With the football players skipping the lesser bowl games. With it being advocated to cut off financial aid for players choosing to not participate.

Sam and his family made a choice.  Thank you, Sam.
Title: Re: Sam having hip surgery
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 21, 2018, 06:51:05 PM
GTST, aina?
Title: Re: Sam having hip surgery
Post by: Loose Cannon on March 21, 2018, 06:59:00 PM
LOL, you just invoked Lombardi when talking about the NIT.

Not against the Scoop Bylaws.
Title: Re: Sam having hip surgery
Post by: muwarrior69 on March 21, 2018, 07:37:38 PM
Yeah, because giving one's best is foreign in our culture today. The way you become a champion is to play like a champion.  It is precisely the reason that Lombardi is the greatest coach in any sport ever. Nobody suggests that Sam should have risked further injury. That's foolish. But with that risk considered and deemed at or near zero, we WIN EVERY DAY.  Or do you armchairs think that's only a slogan?

Joe McCarthy and Casey Stengel 7 World Series; Red Aurebach 16 NBA Titles. Lombardi was a great coach but not in any sport ever.
Title: Re: Sam having hip surgery
Post by: CTWarrior on March 21, 2018, 07:45:57 PM
LOL, you just invoked Lombardi when talking about the NIT.

Well, Vince Lombardi coached the Packers in back-to-back Playoff Bowls (which pitted the second place teams from each division against each other prior to the NFL championship game) in the 1963 and 1964 seasons and tried like hell to win both of them.  That was the NFL equivalent of the NIT.  I bet none of his players who were injured but could suit up missed those games.
Title: Re: Sam having hip surgery
Post by: WarriorDad on March 21, 2018, 09:26:58 PM
jsglow

I did not know that Sam has a 4-5 rehab ahead of him prior to this morning. I think I would have passed on March success and held him out. We did have not great success in Jan or Feb, so to think March would be the month, might have been wishful thinking.

Are you suggesting he should have sat out the entire month of March as we were trying to get into the NCAA tournament?  Even if he skipped the NIT, all that does to his timeline is move it up 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Sam having hip surgery
Post by: The Lens on March 21, 2018, 11:16:20 PM
Well, Vince Lombardi coached the Packers in back-to-back Playoff Bowls (which pitted the second place teams from each division against each other prior to the NFL championship game) in the 1963 and 1964 seasons and tried like hell to win both of them.  That was the NFL equivalent of the NIT.  I bet none of his players who were injured but could suit up missed those games.

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Well done!
Title: Re: Sam having hip surgery
Post by: Newsdreams on March 23, 2018, 09:21:30 PM
Some people here are so sad. Bet if he had sat out and point was made that he didn't need to sit, all these same guys would be calling him a quitter and a terrible teammate. What a lot of pathetic people. And think about it who the hell was going to play the 4 for 30 minutes?
Title: Re: Sam having hip surgery
Post by: naginiF on March 23, 2018, 10:11:07 PM
Guessin' SH has a torn labrum, aina?
So i was diagnosed with an FAI and torn labrum in my right hip when I was 44.  Between diagnosis and surgery I finished training for a marathon, ran a marathon (sub 4hr thank you very much), went through PT to build my lateral movement, and ran 2 halves (sub 1:45).  Rehab sucked but i was back running half marathons in 7 months.

Yeah, i'm awesome!  but that's not the point.  The point is that Sam is WAY younger, WAY more physically fit, has access to better doctors, and has access to MUCH better PT resources than i did (though my PT guy was a Marquette grad).  It is a long recovery but Sam has plenty of time to get ready for next season and he fixed and done.
Title: Re: Sam having hip surgery
Post by: Its DJOver on March 23, 2018, 10:19:13 PM
So i was diagnosed with an FAI and torn labrum in my right hip when I was 44.  Between diagnosis and surgery I finished training for a marathon, ran a marathon (sub 4hr thank you very much), went through PT to build my lateral movement, and ran 2 halves (sub 1:45).  Rehab sucked but i was back running half marathons in 7 months.

Yeah, i'm awesome!  but that's not the point.  The point is that Sam is WAY younger, WAY more physically fit, has access to better doctors, and has access to MUCH better PT resources than i did (though my PT guy was a Marquette grad).  It is a long recovery but Sam has plenty of time to get ready for next season and he fixed and done.
Dude, respect for those marathon and half marathon splits.