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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Rick Majerus’ Manager on March 19, 2018, 09:40:33 AM
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New poster here ... really enjoyed the AL games (went to both)
Question about MU’s schedule?
Why doesn’t MU play Northwestern and Loyola every year? That way they have a home and a second Chicago area game (after Depual) every year. Loyola’s Gentile center is the size of the AL so I’m sure you could cut a deal with Loyola to play that game in Wintrust, Rosemont, UC and/or UIC.
MU has such a big presence in Chicago, between recruiting new students and alumni that a second Chicago game every year seems to make sense.
Again, I’m new here so I imagine this has been addressed before. Can anyone link to that or enlighten?
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Why doesn't Marquette play Loyola and/or Northwestern?
Money.
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Why doesn't Marquette play Loyola and/or Northwestern?
Money.
More to “money” than the P&L of that game? How about getting more time in your largest market to recruit top students and please donors? How much is that worth?
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Generally the Duke family doesn't play each other. K doesn't schedule his former proteges and they rarely play each other, so I don't expect Wojo and Collins to change that.
As far as Loyola, the MVC generally requires their members to get home games, similar to the Horizon. Marquette has no interest in giving up home games if they aren't getting a high major in return. They are great this year, but generally have been a sub-100 team under Moser.
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More to “money” than the P&L of that game? How about getting more time in your largest market to recruit top students and please donors? How much is that worth?
Very little when it comes to the basketball budget. MU cannot give up a home game to go play in Rogers Park.
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Very little when it comes to the basketball budget. MU cannot give up a home game to go play in Rogers Park.
They would not play it in Rogers park becuase, if the DePaul games are any indication, MU fans would buy 4K or more tickets alone. So, like I said, it would have to be played in a larger stadium than the Gentile Center (Rosemont, Wintrust, UIC and/or UC are options)
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They would not play it in Rogers park becuase, if the DePaul games are any indication, MU fans would buy 4K or more tickets alone. So, like I said, it would have to be played in a larger stadium than the Gentile Center (Rosemont, Wintrust, UIC and/or UC are options)
MU cannot give up a home game to play in Rogers Park, Rosemont, South Loop or the Near West Side. Unless Loyola is taking the six digit offer to be a buy game, it isn't happening.
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Marquette doesn't play Loyola because there are a limited number of home-and-home opportunities, and MU can't waste them on a mid-major who (this year being the exception) has typically had an RPI well above 150.
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DePaul is going to let Marquette play Loyola in their arena? :o :o :o
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Generally the Duke family doesn't play each other. K doesn't schedule his former proteges and they rarely play each other, so I don't expect Wojo and Collins to change that.
As far as Loyola, the MVC generally requires their members to get home games, similar to the Horizon. Marquette has no interest in giving up home games if they aren't getting a high major in return. They are great this year, but generally have been a sub-100 team under Moser.
Marquette doesn't play Loyola because there are a limited number of home-and-home opportunities, and MU can't waste them on a mid-major who (this year being the exception) has typically had an RPI well above 150.
Agree with both of these takes.
There wouldn't be enough in it for us. And it's all about us.
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They would not play it in Rogers park becuase, if the DePaul games are any indication, MU fans would buy 4K or more tickets alone. So, like I said, it would have to be played in a larger stadium than the Gentile Center (Rosemont, Wintrust, UIC and/or UC are options)
And whether they play in front of 4,000, 40,000, or 40, it's a road game that doesn't help MU financially. Only way MU would consider is if it was a 3-for-1, which Loyola would never go for.
They could schedule a home-and-home with Northwestern if there was an open place on the schedule, but it's probably going too heavy to schedule another Big Ten team when we have UW, the BE/B1G challenge, and potentially a pre-season tournament match-up already on the schedule.
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Back in the old days these kinds of games happened all the time. We've played Loyola and Detroit Mercy many, many times. But it doesn't fit with today's economics.
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Back in the old days these kinds of games happened all the time. We've played Loyola and Detroit Mercy many, many times. But it doesn't fit with today's economics.
Marquette also didn't have 18 conference games back then, so those games were needed to fill out the schedule.
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I've heard people comment before that Big East teams have veto rights over other teams playing neutral site games in their city. So DePaul could block us from playing another team (Loyola, Notre Dame, Illinois or whoever) at the United Center. Does anyone know if that's in fact true? or just message-board rumor?
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DePaul is going to let Marquette play Loyola in their arena? :o :o :o
It is not their arena. They do no own it. The City of Chicago does.
DePaul is just a renter.
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Let me ask this ....
How important is it the MU try and get a second game in the Chicago area?
If they could schedule ND in the United Center every year (unless the post two above is correct), how high a priority should MU place on making this happen?
Should MU be willing to take 40% of the gate (60% to ND). Is it that important?
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It is not their arena. They do no own it. The City of Chicago does.
DePaul is just a renter.
Actually it's owned by the Metropolitan Pier and Exposition Authority
Let me ask this ....
How important is it the MU try and get a second game in the Chicago area?
If they could schedule ND in the United Center every year (unless the post two above is correct), how high a priority should MU place on making this happen?
Should MU be willing to take 40% of the gate (60% to ND). Is it that important?
Not important. Though if that's what it took to reschedule ND I'm in.
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I'd love to play ND every year, either via a home-and-home series or via a deal to play at the United Center. I'll let those who focus on percentage of gate worry about that.
But according to many reports, Brey is too bwawk-bwawk-bwawk!!!! to let it happen.
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I've heard people comment before that Big East teams have veto rights over other teams playing neutral site games in their city. So DePaul could block us from playing another team (Loyola, Notre Dame, Illinois or whoever) at the United Center. Does anyone know if that's in fact true? or just message-board rumor?
Does that mean St. Johns could prevent us from playing in the NIT???
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any home and homes for next year?
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I still have no clue why we don’t play a game at the UC every year. MU nation would turn out in droves especially against an ND or Illinois. The only Chicago game for as long as I can remember is against lowly DePaul—oh wait, Dayton in Hoffman Estates a decade ago, too. That just doesn’t cut it for me anymore.
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Let me ask this ....
How important is it the MU try and get a second game in the Chicago area?
If they could schedule ND in the United Center every year (unless the post two above is correct), how high a priority should MU place on making this happen?
Should MU be willing to take 40% of the gate (60% to ND). Is it that important?
Not important enough to give up revenue, get over it.
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Do we have a home and home in line starting next season?
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Do we have a home and home in line starting next season?
Not that's been announced.
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Do we have a home and home in line starting next season?
Usually not announced till the summer before
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thanks TAMU-----just trying to get a feel for our schedule next year.
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Not important enough to give up revenue, get over it.
Give up what revenue ... how much? 22k in the United Center against ND will get a higher price ticket than the new stadium? Even 40% (and maybe its 50/50, who knows) might be about as much as home game. ND would get far more playing us at the UC than a buy game at home in front of 9k.
Hold it in December and use it as a opportunity to invite accepted HS seniors, alumni events and the like and for the University as a whole, it is a big winner.
So, given all of this .. explain why this is a bad idea and playing Alabama State in Milwaukee on December 27 is a better idea.
(I'm new here and I get this is an anonymous message board and the convention is insulting/snarky responses like your comment, but I'm respectfully asking for an intelligent counter argument, or set of rule constraints that would make this a bad idea.)
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Give up what revenue ... how much? 22k in the United Center against ND will get a higher price ticket than the new stadium? Even 40% (and maybe its 50/50, who knows) might be about as much as home game. ND would get far more playing us at the UC than a buy game at home in front of 9k.
Hold it in December and use it as a opportunity to invite accepted HS seniors, alumni events and the like and for the University as a whole, it is a big winner.
So, given all of this .. explain why this is a bad idea and playing Alabama State in Milwaukee on December 27 is a better idea.
(I'm new here and I get this is an anonymous message board and the convention is insulting/snarky responses like your comment, but I'm respectfully asking for an intelligent counter argument, or set of rule constraints that would make this a bad idea.)
It would be fun and serve a purpose, no doubt. I do know that MU has wanted to schedule ND but that ND (read that Brey) wants no part of it.
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Give up what revenue ... how much? 22k in the United Center against ND will get a higher price ticket than the new stadium? Even 40% (and maybe its 50/50, who knows) might be about as much as home game. ND would get far more playing us at the UC than a buy game at home in front of 9k.
Hold it in December and use it as a opportunity to invite accepted HS seniors, alumni events and the like and for the University as a whole, it is a big winner.
So, given all of this .. explain why this is a bad idea and playing Alabama State in Milwaukee on December 27 is a better idea.
(I'm new here and I get this is an anonymous message board and the convention is insulting/snarky responses like your comment, but I'm respectfully asking for an intelligent counter argument, or set of rule constraints that would make this a bad idea.)
Marquette will make more money playing in the BC against Alabama State.
Not that your idea doesn't have merit. As you point out, it has all sorts of other benefits to the University community at large.
You also have to have willing partners however. And my guess is that renting the UC is a much larger financial commitment than is renting the new Milwaukee arena.
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It would be fun and serve a purpose, no doubt. I do know that MU has wanted to schedule ND but that ND (read that Brey) wants no part of it.
So then do it with Illinois
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thanks TAMU-----just trying to get a feel for our schedule next year.
Here's what we can currently expect or know:
- Nov 9: Home Opener
- Early November: Two campus NIT Tip-Off games (Teams this year were Monmouth, Fairleigh-Dickinson, UNC-Asheville, & Austin Peay)
- Nov 12-16: Gavitt road game
- Nov 21 & 23: Two of Kansas/Louisville/Tennessee at MSG
- Dec 8: UW-Madison (Likely date)
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Marquette will make more money playing in the BC against Alabama State.
Not that your idea doesn't have merit. As you point out, it has all sorts of other benefits to the University community at large.
You also have to have willing partners however. And my guess is that renting the UC is a much larger financial commitment than is renting the new Milwaukee arena.
You might be correct ...
But I read here the BC rent is $25k/game and the new Stadium is $54k/game (I'm assuming this is correct). Then you have to Pay Alabama State (no idea what that is but I'll guess it is $50k). So even if the UC is $100k to rent and we are repsonsible for $60k of that cost. If we get higher ticket prices on 40% of 20k (ND or Illinois would get 20k in attendance) the 8k tickets revenue after costs is 80% to 90% of Alabama State in Milw. in the new stadium.
Now figure in the side benefits and it is a deal for the MU all around.
What seems to be assumed here is the basketball revenue maximized without consideration to benefits for the larger unviersity, So, no matter what the larger benfits might be, the basketball team automatically picks the higher revenue option. Is this the case?
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You might be correct ...
But I read here the BC rent is $25k/game and the new Stadium is $54k/game (I'm assuming this is correct). Then you have to Pay Alabama State (no idea what that is but I'll guess it is $50k). So even if the UC is $100k to rent and we are repsonsible for $60k of that cost. If we get higher ticket prices on 40% of 20k (ND or Illinois would get 20k in attendance) the 8k tickets revenue after costs is 80% to 90% of Alabama State in Milw. in the new stadium.
Now figure in the side benefits and it is a deal for the MU all around.
What seems to be assumed here is the basketball revenue maximized without consideration to benefits for the larger unviersity, So, no matter what the larger benfits might be, the basketball team automatically picks the higher revenue option. Is this the case?
That has been rumored/assumed. Why would we be able to charge higher ticket prices? Can't assume 20K show up. ND does not want to play us. Illinois is not as desirable a game we could be facing 2 Big 10 schools Wisconsin for sure / maybe Gavitt games until 2022.
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You might be correct ...
But I read here the BC rent is $25k/game and the new Stadium is $54k/game (I'm assuming this is correct). Then you have to Pay Alabama State (no idea what that is but I'll guess it is $50k). So even if the UC is $100k to rent and we are repsonsible for $60k of that cost. If we get higher ticket prices on 40% of 20k (ND or Illinois would get 20k in attendance) the 8k tickets revenue after costs is 80% to 90% of Alabama State in Milw. in the new stadium.
Now figure in the side benefits and it is a deal for the MU all around.
What seems to be assumed here is the basketball revenue maximized without consideration to benefits for the larger unviersity, So, no matter what the larger benfits might be, the basketball team automatically picks the higher revenue option. Is this the case?
Yes. But I also think the University has to keep in consideration the benefits to the season ticket holder. They are the most loyal and and highest paying customers. I don't think the University wants to sacrifice too many home games without keeping them in consideration.
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Sultan hits the nail on the head. Shorting the season ticket package is a significant part of the issue.
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Give up what revenue ... how much? 22k in the United Center against ND will get a higher price ticket than the new stadium? Even 40% (and maybe its 50/50, who knows) might be about as much as home game. ND would get far more playing us at the UC than a buy game at home in front of 9k.
Hold it in December and use it as a opportunity to invite accepted HS seniors, alumni events and the like and for the University as a whole, it is a big winner.
So, given all of this .. explain why this is a bad idea and playing Alabama State in Milwaukee on December 27 is a better idea.
(I'm new here and I get this is an anonymous message board and the convention is insulting/snarky responses like your comment, but I'm respectfully asking for an intelligent counter argument, or set of rule constraints that would make this a bad idea.)
Why are you pushing this so much?
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Give up what revenue ... how much? 22k in the United Center against ND will get a higher price ticket than the new stadium? Even 40% (and maybe its 50/50, who knows) might be about as much as home game. ND would get far more playing us at the UC than a buy game at home in front of 9k.
I couldn't find the article i remember reading it in, but here is the illini forum talking about how depaul veto'ed a neutral site game in chicago against MU years ago(3rd post down) https://forums.illinihq.com/topic/13134-nonconference-scheduling/ (https://forums.illinihq.com/topic/13134-nonconference-scheduling/)
And thats not to mention the rumor is that Brey won't even consider doing a home and home against us
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Why are you pushing this so much?
Smart crowd here and I get good arguments. Just trying to pull that out of people.
I also know the school is make a concerted effort to recruit Chicago more and a second game in the fall would help in that effort.
Yes. But I also think the University has to keep in consideration the benefits to the season ticket holder. They are the most loyal and and highest paying customers. I don't think the University wants to sacrifice too many home games without keeping them in consideration.
Season ticket holders are going to cry that they are missing December 29 against Cententary?
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I couldn't find the article i remember reading it in, but here is the illini forum talking about how depaul veto'ed a neutral site game in chicago against MU years ago(3rd post down) https://forums.illinihq.com/topic/13134-nonconference-scheduling/ (https://forums.illinihq.com/topic/13134-nonconference-scheduling/)
And thats not to mention the rumor is that Brey won't even consider doing a home and home against us
Wow this is really interesting. Sounds like we tried to do exactly what is being argued here (MU v IL at the UC) about 10 years ago but DePaul excercised their veto.
If true, then the answer is MU wants to indeed play a neutral site game in Chicago but DePaul will not allow it.
This board is great, the breath of people here can dig up an eight year old post on the Illini site that addresses this issue.
Thank you!
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Smart crowd here and I get good arguments. Just trying to pull that out of people.
I also know the school is make a concerted effort to recruit Chicago more and a second game in the fall would help in that effort.
Season ticket holders are going to cry that they are missing December 29 against Cententary?
Yes.
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So then do it with Illinois
No one is particularly interested in a Marquette Illinois game.
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New poster here ... really enjoyed the AL games (went to both)
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Again, I’m new here so I imagine this has been addressed before. Can anyone link to that or enlighten?
You're not new here. Hi Another...most recently known as Tugg. Goodbye. Again...
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Not that's been announced.
I wonder if we will get a decent opponent (possibly the home and home) to open up the new arena.
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I wonder if we will get a decent opponent (possibly the home and home) to open up the new arena.
No...have heard it will be a normal buy game
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You're not new here. Hi Another...most recently known as Tugg. Goodbye. Again...
I did not see that coming.
In hindsight, should have recognized based on formatting.
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You're not new here. Hi Another...most recently known as Tugg. Goodbye. Again...
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No one is particularly interested in a Marquette Illinois game.
Completely disagree. I think everyone who went to MU from the Chicago land area has friends and/or family that went to U of I. That game at the UC would be well attended, I’m sure of it.
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You're not new here. Hi Another...most recently known as Tugg. Goodbye. Again...
Woah he got banned?
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Woah he got banned?
He decided to fight the moderators - and lost.
And I don't mean just for a differing opinion - as he probably believes
Oh, and it wasn't me that banned him the first time.
He was probably most disappointed it took folks a few weeks to realize that he was gone - and that's only because I mentioned it.
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He decided to fight the moderators - and lost.
"I fought the law and the law won"
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Completely disagree. I think everyone who went to MU from the Chicago land area has friends and/or family that went to U if I. That game at the UC would be well attended, I’m sure of it.
I'm not sure of it.
Chicago fans are pretty bandwagon when it comes to the Illini, and won't pay to see them at the UC when they're bad. This year's game there drew less than 5,700. The year before was 9,000. Year before that, 5,100.
How many MU fans would go? Probably about the same that go to the DePaul game ... so maybe 5-6,000 or so.
So, at best, you may be looking at 11-12,000 seats filled in a 21,000-seat arena.
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I'm not from Illinois, so maybe I just don't understand, but I don't see a lot of (or any) passion amongst Illini fans. I certainly don't see passion about the Illini playing Marquette.
Wishful thinking, but I would much rather try to revive a rivalry with a legacy BE team not named Pitt, Rutgers or South Florida.
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I'm not sure of it.
Chicago fans are pretty bandwagon when it comes to the Illini, and won't pay to see them at the UC when they're bad. This year's game there drew less than 5,700. The year before was 9,000. Year before that, 5,100.
How many MU fans would go? Probably about the same that go to the DePaul game ... so maybe 5-6,000 or so.
So, at best, you may be looking at 11-12,000 seats filled in a 21,000-seat arena.
Bingo. UoI fanbase is south, and dey sure as heck wint be drivin up to der city of murders when dey can see the boys right here in Champaign, I reckon.
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Completely disagree. I think everyone who went to MU from the Chicago land area has friends and/or family that went to U of I. That game at the UC would be well attended, I’m sure of it.
U of I alum aren't even interested in U ot I basketball.
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I'm not sure of it.
Chicago fans are pretty bandwagon when it comes to the Illini, and won't pay to see them at the UC when they're bad. This year's game there drew less than 5,700. The year before was 9,000. Year before that, 5,100.
How many MU fans would go? Probably about the same that go to the DePaul game ... so maybe 5-6,000 or so.
So, at best, you may be looking at 11-12,000 seats filled in a 21,000-seat arena.
To be fair, over the last 7 years or so at the UC, Illinois has played UIC 3x, Auburn, UNLV, Oregon and last Dec New Mexico State. That’s just horrendous scheduling for the annual Chicago game. I get the Illini are not what they used to be, but they are only 12 years removed from a NC appearance while still the flagship university of the state with a huge alumni population in the city/suburbs. Energize the fans with a game they can relate to, I.e. I have buddies/family that went to MU and vice versa for MU—DePaul is not a big draw because they have been downright terrible for nearly two decades. There’s a reason why the braggin’ rights game still draws well despite down years for both teams. Fans relate. Personally, I would mobilize all the troops I know from both schools and make a day out of it.
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Wow this is really interesting. Sounds like we tried to do exactly what is being argued here (MU v IL at the UC) about 10 years ago but DePaul excercised their veto.
If true, then the answer is MU wants to indeed play a neutral site game in Chicago but DePaul will not allow it.
This board is great, the breath of people here can dig up an eight year old post on the Illini site that addresses this issue.
Thank you!
+1 Very interesting, great find.
Supposing it's true that BEast teams can block other BEast teams from playing neutral games in their city (within reason I suppose), I wonder how they define "city." Allstate Arena, for example, is technically not in Chicago city proper.
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Interesting. Especially since DePaul let us play a neutral site game at AllState and now WinTrust every year.
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More to “money” than the P&L of that game? How about getting more time in your largest market to recruit top students and please donors? How much is that worth?
you all do know a coach can't just call up another school and say "Hey Notre Dame, want to play us?" "Great, see you then."
Having been party to scheduling there is a science to it and it involves many factors. A school may say "yes, we're available December 13" and Marquette may come back and say "that's in the middle of finals week and we can't play then." Or there may be a signed contract for another team already. Or the other team needs a home game and MU needs a home game.