At what point is the AD held accountable for the underperformance of Marquette's largest athletic program, men's basketball? MU men's hoops is what drives this university. The success of the team reaches far beyond the athletic department. Having a lackluster program the past few years has been extremely frustrating. We can yell "Fire Wojo" all we want, but it has become clear that he is going to get next year to win or else...
If Wojo fails again next season, I think it is time to move on with him and ALSO hold Scholl and even Broeker, accountable.
This is getting ridiculous.
Except almost every other sport at Marquette have had their best seasons over the past three years. Lacrosse, women's basketball etc...
Also, go away troll.
Troll? Not so much. I'm a MU alum, lifelong fan and have connections to the program that run deep. I, however, am not a big fan of the current regime. Why would I be? Wojo hasn't won enough meaningful games. We're in the Fn NIT in year 4. This whole rebuild is taking a lot longer than most fans would like. Eventually, the act gets old. You can twist these disappointing seasons however you want, but the fact is that Marquette basketball simply isn't that good. Will we be good next season like everyone is predicting? I sure hope so. But if not, it's time to cut our losses with Wojo and get another coach who will hopefully have a lot more success.
I am aware of the successes of the other Marquette teams. However, we all know, men's basketball takes the cake. It is what drives the athletic department and the university. It's time to get MU hoops back on the level that Buzz had us at. Wasn't long ago!
The cute experiment with Wojo needs to come to an end if he doesn't get it done next season. Top 3 Big East finish, NCAA tourney bid and make it to the second weekend. Those are my expectations for a coach in his 5th season of trying to rebuild it his way...
Fire Wojo.
*Sigh*
Doesn't look like you posted after the Nova win, or really after any wins. Troll's gonna troll. Not saying Wojo is Coach K by any stretch but what if the Dukies fired him after three poor seasons to start his tenure?
Yes, fire everyone and start the process over again. That will bring immediate results.
Let's make this easier. Who are we NOT firing?
Quote from: Hiroshima on March 12, 2018, 02:35:54 PM
Troll? Not so much. I'm a MU alum, lifelong fan and have connections to the program that run deep. I, however, am not a big fan of the current regime. Why would I be? Wojo hasn't won enough meaningful games. We're in the Fn NIT in year 4. This whole rebuild is taking a lot longer than most fans would like. Eventually, the act gets old. You can twist these disappointing seasons however you want, but the fact is that Marquette basketball simply isn't that good. Will we be good next season like everyone is predicting? I sure hope so. But if not, it's time to cut our losses with Wojo and get another coach who will hopefully have a lot more success.
The current rebuild is taking too long, so you'd like to start another one? Brilliant logic.
To what end? Fire Scholl and Wojo! How would that hiring process go? What kind of coach would Marquette end up with? Please. This reads like it came from a Moscow basement. Exists only to stir crap up.
Did these same people want Buzz fired after the 2013-2014 season? Guy just led freaking Va Tech to back to back NCAAs for the first time in over 30 years!
I'm giving Wojo another year before grabbing a pitch fork.
Ridiculous. Every other sport is doing fantastic. Only men's basketball hasn't been at the level we expect. To me that says if there is a problem it is not with the AD but with basketball coach. And even there, I'm not convinced that there's a problem. Ask me at the end of next season.
Fire Lovell.
an AD's job is to manage the entire department and all programs and MU's overall department is doing as well as ever.
You were probably one of the jackals calling for Bill Cords' head at one time too.
Not sure that it would have mattered thus year but im a little annoyed tgat we are not capable of filling our schedule the last two years. Afain most assuredky didnt make a difference but you have to winder hiw much of a factor it is on the commitee to hit that 20 win acheivement
Again prolly not that big of a deal but wtf the itger 350 d1 schools can fill a gd schedule
Umm - I believe it is a reputation for high academic standards and a service-based philosophy that drives Marquette. Don't really think most students pick Marquette as their choice for higher education because of the basketball team. Just as most students do not pick Duke for its basketball team. Let's get a grip on what we are talking about here, super-fan or not.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on March 12, 2018, 03:04:28 PM
Not sure that it would have mattered thus year but im a little annoyed tgat we are not capable of filling our schedule the last two years. Afain most assuredky didnt make a difference but you have to winder hiw much of a factor it is on the commitee to hit that 20 win acheivement
Again prolly not that big of a deal but wtf the itger 350 d1 schools can fill a gd schedule
20 wins doesn't matter.
But add another legit non con game and win it? That could have mattered. I don't agree with almost anything you say, but I do agree that we need to fill our 13 game non con allotment next season. Punting a game the last 2 (3?) season was stupid.
Why stop at Wojo and Scholl? Lovell hired them both. Might as well can him, as well. Replace the entire board of trustees while you're at it; they obviously couldn't be entrusted with running a preschool.
As far as I'm concerned, simply firing the lot of them doesn't go far enough. We want justice for this unacceptable malfeasance. These offenders should be publicly shamed and humiliated, stripped of all human dignity. Tarring and feathering them while they walk west out of town on Wisconsin Avenue ought to do it. Or perhaps stoning. I could go either way.
Win now. Or else. That ought to get our program on the right track.
Quote from: MomofMUltiples on March 12, 2018, 03:05:14 PM
Umm - I believe it is a reputation for high academic standards and a service-based philosophy that drives Marquette. Don't really think most students pick Marquette as their choice for higher education because of the basketball team. Just as most students do not pick Duke for its basketball team. Let's get a grip on what we are talking about here, super-fan or not.
I didn't pick Marquette due to basketball. I wasn't even remotely close to being a basketball fan prior to college. But I knew of Marquette due to them having a recognizable basketball program. Without it, there is almost no chance I would have felt it was worth checking out. I doubt I am alone.
I think a reasonable approach would be to shut the entire school down, burn the buildings and salt the earth.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on March 12, 2018, 03:04:28 PM
Not sure that it would have mattered thus year but im a little annoyed tgat we are not capable of filling our schedule the last two years. Afain most assuredky didnt make a difference but you have to winder hiw much of a factor it is on the commitee to hit that 20 win acheivement
Again prolly not that big of a deal but wtf the itger 350 d1 schools can fill a gd schedule
OK, multiple teams in the dance didn't win 20 games so let's move on from that metric shall we? The schedule was perfectly fine, at some point you have compete with the schedule you have and in the league to you are in. If MU beats DePaul on the road and Georgia at home, we're in easy. If MU beats Providence at home, we're in. If MU wins 1 out of any 4 of the X/Nova games we're in.
The schedule had absolutely nothing to do with this seasons results.
Quote from: #bansultan on March 12, 2018, 03:12:54 PM
I think a reasonable approach would be to shut the entire school down, burn the buildings and salt the earth.
Is that before or after we detonate a subterranean nuke?
Quote from: mu03eng on March 12, 2018, 03:14:26 PM
OK, multiple teams in the dance didn't win 20 games so let's move on from that metric shall we? The schedule was perfectly fine, at some point you have compete with the schedule you have and in the league to you are in. If MU beats DePaul on the road and Georgia at home, we're in easy. If MU beats Providence at home, we're in. If MU wins 1 out of any 4 of the X/Nova games we're in.
The schedule had absolutely nothing to do with this seasons results.
I understand and agree. Yet as little of a difference, it could have made some.
Lastly and most specifically tho relative to onesjob as an ad or an asst., should not one basic job requirement that one could expect would be to fill the fin schedule?? Again like the admins at the other 350 are able to do? And two yrs in a row? Plz wtf??!!
Quote from: Hiroshima on March 12, 2018, 02:35:54 PM
Troll? Not so much. I'm a MU alum, lifelong fan and have connections to the program that run deep. I, however, am not a big fan of the current regime. Why would I be? Wojo hasn't won enough meaningful games. We're in the Fn NIT in year 4. This whole rebuild is taking a lot longer than most fans would like. Eventually, the act gets old. You can twist these disappointing seasons however you want, but the fact is that Marquette basketball simply isn't that good. Will we be good next season like everyone is predicting? I sure hope so. But if not, it's time to cut our losses with Wojo and get another coach who will hopefully have a lot more success.
I am aware of the successes of the other Marquette teams. However, we all know, men's basketball takes the cake. It is what drives the athletic department and the university. It's time to get MU hoops back on the level that Buzz had us at. Wasn't long ago!
The cute experiment with Wojo needs to come to an end if he doesn't get it done next season. Top 3 Big East finish, NCAA tourney bid and make it to the second weekend. Those are my expectations for a coach in his 5th season of trying to rebuild it his way...
Fire Wojo.
Man, it's going to be a long off season...
What a stupid ass thread. Bill Scholl is fantastic and a complete breath of fresh air from Larry Williams who would find a way to interject himself into non issues and give the press quotes when none were needed.
Yeah, lets hire Jean Lenti Ponsetto!!!! :o
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on March 12, 2018, 03:19:37 PM
I understand and agree. Yet as little of a difference, it could have made some.
Lastly and most specifically tho relative to onesjob as an ad or an asst., should not one basic job requirement that one could expect would be to fill the fin schedule?? Again like the admins at the other 350 are able to do? And two yrs in a row? Plz wtf??!!
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Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on March 12, 2018, 03:04:28 PM
Not sure that it would have mattered thus year but im a little annoyed tgat we are not capable of filling our schedule the last two years. Afain most assuredky didnt make a difference but you have to winder hiw much of a factor it is on the commitee to hit that 20 win acheivement
Again prolly not that big of a deal but wtf the itger 350 d1 schools can fill a gd schedule
I think the Zodiak Killer code breakers had an easier task decoding his cyphers than understanding this post.
It's on the priests. They are clearly not praying hard enough for victories. Fire them all!
Can you point to specific actions or non-actions that support this view? "We dint win da games" doesn't count. Has Scholl put inadequate personnel in place? Has his department put together a schedule that hindered our team or its postseason chances? Have they failed to generate enough revenue or adequately fund to levels necessary to compete at the desired level? Has he made an ass of himself in the media and continually rubbed the coach the wrong way?
Quote from: Smokin' Jae on March 12, 2018, 03:20:20 PM
What a stupid ass thread. Bill Scholl is fantastic and a complete breath of fresh air from Larry Williams who would find a way to interject himself into non issues and give the press quotes when none were needed.
This.
It's Al Davis. Nuff said.
Quote from: #bansultan on March 12, 2018, 03:12:54 PM
I think a reasonable approach would be to shut the entire school down, burn the buildings and salt the earth.
Not good enough. This goes to the top.
FIRE GOD.
Quote from: Hiroshima on March 12, 2018, 02:35:54 PM
Troll? Not so much. I'm a MU alum, lifelong fan and have connections to the program that run deep. I, however, am not a big fan of the current regime. Why would I be? Wojo hasn't won enough meaningful games. We're in the Fn NIT in year 4. This whole rebuild is taking a lot longer than most fans would like. Eventually, the act gets old. You can twist these disappointing seasons however you want, but the fact is that Marquette basketball simply isn't that good. Will we be good next season like everyone is predicting? I sure hope so. But if not, it's time to cut our losses with Wojo and get another coach who will hopefully have a lot more success.
I am aware of the successes of the other Marquette teams. However, we all know, men's basketball takes the cake. It is what drives the athletic department and the university. It's time to get MU hoops back on the level that Buzz had us at. Wasn't long ago!
The cute experiment with Wojo needs to come to an end if he doesn't get it done next season. Top 3 Big East finish, NCAA tourney bid and make it to the second weekend. Those are my expectations for a coach in his 5th season of trying to rebuild it his way...
Fire Wojo.
Send an old fashioned snail mail letter to Mike Lovell and present your grievances regarding our basketball coach in detail. I guarantee you will receive a response.
I promise you one think you will not get five years to succeed in your job unless you work for the government, a university or a non profit.
Quote from: Class71 on March 12, 2018, 07:52:36 PM
I promise you one think you will not get five years to succeed in your job unless you work for the government, a university or a non profit.
That's laughable. It's amazing how many mediocre employees last 5, 25, 35 years, especially in large corporations.
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It's on the priests. They are clearly not praying hard enough for victories. Fire them all!
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I agree with this. World peace and loving our neighbors my ass. What is really important
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 12, 2018, 03:08:28 PM
I didn't pick Marquette due to basketball. I wasn't even remotely close to being a basketball fan prior to college. But I knew of Marquette due to them having a recognizable basketball program. Without it, there is almost no chance I would have felt it was worth checking out. I doubt I am alone.
Yes sir. I believe Marquette's applications doubled after the final four run. Basketball team does a ton for the school.
Quote from: Class71 on March 12, 2018, 07:52:36 PM
I promise you one think you will not get five years to succeed in your job unless you work for the government, a university or a non profit.
Good thing Wojo has succeeded in years 1-4. You just don't agree with the definition of success.
And while I work for a university, I work with many people in the private sector who have not been successful at their jobs for decades.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on March 12, 2018, 08:25:56 PM
Yes sir. I believe Marquette's applications doubled after the final four run. Basketball team does a ton for the school.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flutie_effect
Quote from: esotericmindguy on March 12, 2018, 08:25:56 PM
Yes sir. I believe Marquette's applications doubled after the final four run. Basketball team does a ton for the school.
Most cost effective marketing tool the University has.
FIRE THIS GUY! Clearly not taking men's basketball seriously enough.
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Um, I beg to differ.
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http://www.topix.com/ncaa/depaul/2018/03/depaul-students-alumni-call-for-firing-of-ad-in-newspaper-ad?fromrss=1
Absolutely! Fire everybody!
The Al Davis Method has worked wonders for the Raiders the last 15 years (and most of the last 30).
While we're at it, let's just move the Marquette basketball team to L.A. ... and then back to Milwaukee ... and then to Vegas!
Yep, fire everybody every couple of years ... that practically guarantees success in sports!!
Just suck, baby.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 12, 2018, 10:26:49 PM
http://www.topix.com/ncaa/depaul/2018/03/depaul-students-alumni-call-for-firing-of-ad-in-newspaper-ad?fromrss=1
TAMU, you are one of the maybe 4-5 go-to posters here which I consult regularly for excellent info. But on this one, I have to quote Jason Sudeikis's character from We're The Millers...."Stay the @&#% outta (Hot) Topix."
Quote from: ZenyattasTapitColt on March 12, 2018, 11:27:53 PM
TAMU, you are one of the maybe 4-5 go-to posters here which I consult regularly for excellent info. But on this one, I have to quote Jason Sudeikis's character from We're The Millers...."Stay the @&#% outta (Hot) Topix."
I honestly don't know what topix is. I was on the DePaul verbal commits page and this was the top story.
Quote from: Hiroshima on March 12, 2018, 02:35:54 PM
Troll? Not so much. I'm a MU alum, lifelong fan and have connections to the program that run deep. I, however, am not a big fan of the current regime. Why would I be? Wojo hasn't won enough meaningful games. We're in the Fn NIT in year 4. This whole rebuild is taking a lot longer than most fans would like. Eventually, the act gets old. You can twist these disappointing seasons however you want, but the fact is that Marquette basketball simply isn't that good. Will we be good next season like everyone is predicting? I sure hope so. But if not, it's time to cut our losses with Wojo and get another coach who will hopefully have a lot more success.
I am aware of the successes of the other Marquette teams. However, we all know, men's basketball takes the cake. It is what drives the athletic department and the university. It's time to get MU hoops back on the level that Buzz had us at. Wasn't long ago!
The cute experiment with Wojo needs to come to an end if he doesn't get it done next season. Top 3 Big East finish, NCAA tourney bid and make it to the second weekend. Those are my expectations for a coach in his 5th season of trying to rebuild it his way...
Fire Wojo.
Do MU a favor and become a fan of some other school.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 13, 2018, 12:24:21 AM
I honestly don't know what topix is. I was on the DePaul verbal commits page and this was the top story.
No big deal. Topix started as a news aggregator site before it transitioned to news creation... dramatic, salacious "news" is its forte. I know you're just the messenger here, but rumors of Dave Leitao's and JLP's imminent demise are amusing.
Wishing to avoid the Shamrock Shuffle logjams, I committed MU Hoops sacrilege a couple weeks ago by attending the Xavier at DePaul game during the same timeframe MU was playing Creighton in Milwaukee. Despite logistical concessions problems, Wintrust is a gem of a new arena. DL coached a very solid game against a top5 team, and I went away from that game seeing DePaul as on the cusp of an overdue rising trajectory. No, I would not trade places with them. But, firing their coach and AD would set them back considerably, if that is even possible. DL may be a "re-tread", but he has resources not available to him during round1 of his Lincoln Park tenure.
Quote from: Class71 on March 12, 2018, 07:52:36 PM
I promise you one think you will not get five years to succeed in your job unless you work for the government, a university or a non profit.
As a government employee I take offense but not until I complete my 45 minute B break....well, maybe tomorrow, I'm not feeling it today.
Quote from: MomofMUltiples on March 12, 2018, 03:05:14 PM
Umm - I believe it is a reputation for high academic standards and a service-based philosophy that drives Marquette. Don't really think most students pick Marquette as their choice for higher education because of the basketball team. Just as most students do not pick Duke for its basketball team. Let's get a grip on what we are talking about here, super-fan or not.
I did not go to Marquette because of the basketball team, but I probably wouldn't have spoken with the recruiter back in 1978 if I hadn't known of the school through the basketball team. There certainly is value in that, particularly outside Wisconsin and the states immediately surrounding it. But since you folks don't particularly want east coasters, maybe we should shuttle the program after all.
119 teams have won 20 games this year.
Quote from: CTWarrior on March 13, 2018, 07:57:13 AM
I did not go to Marquette because of the basketball team, but I probably wouldn't have spoken with the recruiter back in 1978 if I hadn't known of the school through the basketball team. There certainly is value in that, particularly outside Wisconsin and the states immediately surrounding it. But since you folks don't particularly want east coasters, maybe we should shuttle the program after all.
To quote my friend, who was the VP of Student Affairs at Butler during its two National Championship appearances, "Basketball gets them onto the front porch, but it's up to the rest of us to make them walk through the front door."
Quote from: Class71 on March 12, 2018, 07:52:36 PM
I promise you one think you will not get five years to succeed in your job unless you work for the government, a university or a non profit.
Most coaches are given contracts around 4 or 5 years for a reason, that's the time it takes to get one's kids into the program, recruit for need, and let them become seniors.
Quote from: bilsu on March 13, 2018, 12:33:02 AM
Do MU a favor and become a fan of some other school.
No thanks! I guess it's a crime for people like me to want and expect success from our men's basketball program considering all of the $ and resources that are dedicated to exactly that. And unlike all of you wojo apologists, I know the game of basketball pretty darn well, and 4 years in and all of Wojo's squads are pretty soft and all have had major issues. His teams lack toughness and are god-awful at defense. Yes, the squad adds some size in Morrow next season, but barring a pretty large turnaround, Wojo's tenure at MU has been mediocre at best. In year 5 it should be time to start competing for conference titles and top seeds in the tourney. If the Warriors can do that next season, FANTASTIC! ABOUT DAMN TIME! but if not, Wojo NEEDS to go...
Just win, baby!!!!
When did Buzz ever have a shot at a top seed? If I remember right, most were pretty surprised we even got a 3 seed in 2013.
Quote from: Hiroshima on March 13, 2018, 12:50:28 PM
No thanks! I guess it's a crime for people like me to want and expect success from our men's basketball program considering all of the $ and resources that are dedicated to exactly that. And unlike all of you wojo apologists, I know the game of basketball pretty darn well, and 4 years in and all of Wojo's squads are pretty soft and all have had major issues. His teams lack toughness and are god-awful at defense. Yes, the squad adds some size in Morrow next season, but barring a pretty large turnaround, Wojo's tenure at MU has been mediocre at best. In year 5 it should be time to start competing for conference titles and top seeds in the tourney. If the Warriors can do that next season, FANTASTIC! ABOUT DAMN TIME! but if not, Wojo NEEDS to go...
Just win, baby!!!!
Marquette should just hire you then
Quote from: Hiroshima on March 13, 2018, 12:50:28 PM
No thanks! I guess it's a crime for people like me to want and expect success from our men's basketball program considering all of the $ and resources that are dedicated to exactly that. And unlike all of you wojo apologists, I know the game of basketball pretty darn well
I love these posts. You're all idiots, but I know what I am talking about!
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 13, 2018, 12:52:34 PM
When did Buzz ever have a shot at a top seed? If I remember right, most were pretty surprised we even got a 3 seed in 2013.
I and my blue and gold colored glasses always think we get screwed with seeding. If they made us a 1 seed I think they screwed us because the 16 we are playing is too good. Anyway, a team that tied for the Old Big East regular season title earned at least a 3 seed.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 13, 2018, 01:08:12 PMI love these posts. You're all idiots, but I know what I am talking about!
It's approaching performance art at this point. Wojo's an idiot. Anyone who thinks Wojo is a good coach must be idiots, as well. Fans: idiots. The administration: all idiots. Anyone who likes Wojo on Facebook: total idiot. Can't they see he's a loser!
Quote from: CTWarrior on March 13, 2018, 01:18:19 PM
I and my blue and gold colored glasses always think we get screwed with seeding. If they made us a 1 seed I think they screwed us because the 16 we are playing is too good. Anyway, a team that tied for the Old Big East regular season title earned at least a 3 seed.
This made me curious. I went back and checked where we finished in KenPom rankings each season Buzz was here. Not a perfect system by any means but I was curious to see what seed KenPom said we "earned" vs what we actually got. Of course this includes postseason performances so it would be like seeding after the tourney was over.
08-09: KenPom: 19 "KenPom Seed" 5 Actual Seed: 6 (Round of 32)
09-10: KenPom: 24 "KenPom Seed" 6 Actual Seed: 6 (Round of 64)
10-11: KenPom: 26 "KenPom Seed" 7 Actual Seed: 11 (Sweet 16)
11-12: KenPom: 18 "KenPom Seed" 5 Actual Seed: 3 (Sweet 16)
12-13: KenPom 26 "KenPom Seed" 7 Actual Seed: 3 (Elite 8)
So the most underseeded we ever were per KenPom was 10-11 though that was impacted by our run to the Sweet 16.
The most interesting ones to me are 11-12 and 12-13. Despite deep runs in the tourney that should have brought our KenPom up, KenPom still had us as overseeded in one and significantly overseeded in the other.
Also, these numbers are why I expect Wojo to be "top 30" next season. While Buzz brought us a lot of postseason success (which I loved) he never had a team finish inside the top 15 of KenPom. Being a top 30 team is a difficult and noteworthy accomplishment.
Interestingly....Crean finished with a top 15 team twice, 02-03 and 07-08.
Quote from: MomofMUltiples on March 12, 2018, 08:13:45 PM
That's laughable. It's amazing how many mediocre employees last 5, 25, 35 years, especially in large corporations.
Might want to try a different company.