Would be nice if we could, especially since we were not one of the first four out.
We're not in the big dance because we lost to our conference's version of a mid-major, DePaul, and because we were blown out by Villanova last week.
The NIT is a college basketball equivalent of a Participation Trophy. Warriors gnarl at Participation Trophies.
I see no value in the NIT. The money is so limited, we're talking about playing at the Al, where we've played exactly one other game that counted. There isn't money in it.
As for experience, unless we're starting Elliott and Theo John, not sure what it gives us. A couple more games, until we get eliminated by some mid-major because we're playing hero ball?
Turn it down if you can. We'll get more out of a pre-season tournament next year than out of the NIT. Our guys should not settle for the NIT. Period.
You can and we did one year. It would be stupid too however.
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 11, 2018, 05:58:52 PM
As for experience, unless we're starting Elliott and Theo John, not sure what it gives us. A couple more games, until we get eliminated by some mid-major because we're playing hero ball?
We have one senior. It's experience for everyone else.
If you are supposed to be in firmly and you miss, I understand skipping. If we were Seton Hall and losing 3 star seniors, I'd be all on board missing. Not with a young team like this.
Since 2000, winners have included Michigan, West Virginia, Stanford, Ohio State, Witchita State and Baylor. North Carolina was the runner up in 2010.
Oh the hubris.
I agree stupid to turn down an NIT bid. An opportunity for Wojo to set the agenda for next year. Get the kids to play with a chip on their shoulder for......ever. Win the NIT, get those Freshman an extra 12% of a season...
Why would anyone even suggest a stupid thing like that? To deny our team an opportunity to continue playing this year? Why, because you are so f'in embarrassed that they failed to make the tournament? These guys deserve to continue playing and I'm glad they will. I will enjoy the games they play. The off-season is too long. Happy for any chance to extend it.
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 11, 2018, 05:58:52 PM
Would be nice if we could, especially since we were not one of the first four out.
We're not in the big dance because we lost to our conference's version of a mid-major, DePaul, and because we were blown out by Villanova last week.
The NIT is a college basketball equivalent of a Participation Trophy. Warriors gnarl at Participation Trophies.
I see no value in the NIT. The money is so limited, we're talking about playing at the Al, where we've played exactly one other game that counted. There isn't money in it.
As for experience, unless we're starting Elliott and Theo John, not sure what it gives us. A couple more games, until we get eliminated by some mid-major because we're playing hero ball?
Turn it down if you can. We'll get more out of a pre-season tournament next year than out of the NIT. Our guys should not settle for the NIT. Period.
Beyond dumb. No way you turn it down. Give these young men the chance to earn additional experience, this is one of the youngest teams in the country. Besides, you cannot turn it down anymore. The NCAA owns the NIT tournament now and the decision to turn down a NIT bid comes at the beginning of the year, not at the end.
http://www.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentucky-sports/uk-basketball-men/article44411217.html
Quote from: MomofMUltiples on March 11, 2018, 06:14:13 PM
Why would anyone even suggest a stupid thing like that? To deny our team an opportunity to continue playing this year? Why, because you are so f'in embarrassed that they failed to make the tournament? These guys deserve to continue playing and I'm glad they will. I will enjoy the games they play. The off-season is too long. Happy for any chance to extend it.
Because some people think we are waiting in long gas lines, Ford is our President and Disco is hot.
It hasn't been the ending we all wanted but if the NIT offends you so much perhaps you should skip it and find another way to spend your time.
Quote from: WarriorDad on March 11, 2018, 06:16:24 PM
Beyond dumb. No way you turn it down. Give these young men the chance to earn additional experience, this is one of the youngest teams in the country. Besides, you cannot turn it down anymore. The NCAA owns the NIT tournament now and the decision to turn down a NIT bid comes at the beginning of the year, not at the end.
http://www.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentucky-sports/uk-basketball-men/article44411217.html
That's interesting. Georgia just said earlier today they would not accept an NIT bid.
Quote from: MomofMUltiples on March 11, 2018, 06:14:13 PM
Why would anyone even suggest a stupid thing like that?
Cuz he's hurt and wants everyone to know about it.
Quote from: Skitch on March 11, 2018, 06:19:55 PM
That's interesting. Georgia just said earlier today they would not accept an NIT bid.
They're also going through a coaching change which is why we turned it down last time. This year we absolutely positively accept the bid and gain experience for next year
Quote from: Skitch on March 11, 2018, 06:19:55 PM
That's interesting. Georgia just said earlier today they would not accept an NIT bid.
Maebee 'cuz their gonna chitcan the coach, aina?
Are Louisville, St. Mary's, Notre Dame, Washington, Oklahoma State and Baylor also all too good for the NIT? Turning it down is something a program that is either very delusional or very in turmoil would do.
Quote from: Skitch on March 11, 2018, 06:19:55 PM
That's interesting. Georgia just said earlier today they would not accept an NIT bid.
Indeed it is, if one believes CM Newton's comments in that other article. Maybe their way of telling the NCAA don't bother giving us a bid, but if they were given one would the be compelled to take it?
Ask those who were students about their experience the last time we played in the NIT Title game.
We should not be playing for NIT bids at MU..better be the LAST NIT berth for a VERY long time
Quote from: esotericmindguy on March 11, 2018, 06:20:09 PM
Cuz he's hurt and wants everyone to know about it.
Wrong.
Because it is a tournament that does little for us. It's the Participation Trophy of College Basketball. It's not stupid to walk away from something that rewards mediocrity.
Why reward mediocrity?
As for me, Gang, after the DePaul game, I moved on. It was time for next year. As you who read knew, when everyone said we needed a win against Villanova, I said, no way. It's baseball time.
P.S. -- Good luck to Villanova, Creighton, Xavier, Butler, Seton Hall and Providence in the tournament.
It could always be worse. We could be Wisconsin who isn't even eligible for the NIT.
Quote from: lurch91 on March 11, 2018, 06:29:41 PM
Ask those who were students about their experience the last time we played in the NIT Title game.
We lost in a crap game to Virginia Tech?
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 11, 2018, 05:58:52 PM
Would be nice if we could, especially since we were not one of the first four out.
We're not in the big dance because we lost to our conference's version of a mid-major, DePaul, and because we were blown out by Villanova last week.
The NIT is a college basketball equivalent of a Participation Trophy. Warriors gnarl at Participation Trophies.
I see no value in the NIT. The money is so limited, we're talking about playing at the Al, where we've played exactly one other game that counted. There isn't money in it.
As for experience, unless we're starting Elliott and Theo John, not sure what it gives us. A couple more games, until we get eliminated by some mid-major because we're playing hero ball?
Turn it down if you can. We'll get more out of a pre-season tournament next year than out of the NIT. Our guys should not settle for the NIT. Period.
(http://kardsunlimited.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/sad_eeyore-4821.jpg)
Barring transfers, we bring back everybody except Rowsey from this season. No way you pass up extra experience for our guys against decent competition.
Quote from: muguru on March 11, 2018, 06:33:01 PM
We should not be playing for NIT bids at MU..better be the LAST NIT berth for a VERY long time
Or what, hot shot?
MU would be very stupid to reject NIT offer...more games can only help the returning players. The more experience they get the better. Why is this even a consideration?
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 11, 2018, 06:33:16 PM
Wrong.
Because it is a tournament that does little for us. It's the Participation Trophy of College Basketball. It's not stupid to walk away from something that rewards mediocrity.
Why reward mediocrity?
As for me, Gang, after the DePaul game, I moved on. It was time for next year. As you who read knew, when everyone said we needed a win against Villanova, I said, no way. It's baseball time.
P.S. -- Good luck to Villanova, Creighton, Xavier, Butler, Seton Hall and Providence in the tournament.
Yet, here you are.
Quote from: muguru on March 11, 2018, 06:33:01 PM
We should not be playing for NIT bids at MU..better be the LAST NIT berth for a VERY long time
Or what, you will show them who is boss?
What the actual unnatural carnal knowledge.
Let's also not play next year. That way we can't play in any tournament and be disappointed.
SLU here we come...
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Quote from: WarriorDad on March 11, 2018, 06:40:58 PM
Or what, you will show them who is boss?
Tired of the underachievement, tired of this program being irrelevant, tired of the constant excuses from everyone. If the NIT excites people here...good for you..Mike Deane used to say MU should be happy with NIT berths, is that where we are again??
Quote from: muguru on March 11, 2018, 06:49:22 PM
Tired of the underachievement, tired of this program being irrelevant, tired of the constant excuses from everyone. If the NIT excites people here...good for you..Mike Deane used to say MU should be happy with NIT berths, is that where we are again??
Would you say the NIT in 1977 excited you? Or no.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 11, 2018, 06:43:49 PM
SLU here we come...
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They beat Virginia Tech and Coach Williams this year, apparently that is what matters to some of our fans.
Quote from: fjm on March 11, 2018, 06:53:26 PM
Would you say the NIT in 1977 excited you? Or no.
The NIT was a much different tournament back then, and MU won the National championship in '77
Quote from: muguru on March 11, 2018, 06:49:22 PM
Tired of the underachievement, tired of this program being irrelevant, tired of the constant excuses from everyone. If the NIT excites people here...good for you..Mike Deane used to say MU should be happy with NIT berths, is that where we are again??
We under achieved this year?
Wojo has never said NIT is what we should be happy with, but in some years it will be based on personnel, experience, injuries. We did not under achieve this year. The last year we truly under achieved was Coach Williams last season here when we were picked to win the Big East and finished 6th.
Quote from: muguru on March 11, 2018, 06:49:22 PM
Tired of the underachievement, tired of this program being irrelevant, tired of the constant excuses from everyone. If the NIT excites people here...good for you..Mike Deane used to say MU should be happy with NIT berths, is that where we are again??
If you're so tired of the program and everyone here then why do you even bother posting anymore?
Yeah the progress isn't as fast as most have hoped, but we didn't underachieve this year. In fact I think the Scoop collective pretty much nailed the season's results right?
Quote from: fjm on March 11, 2018, 06:53:26 PM
Would you say the NIT in 1977 excited you? Or no.
No -we were winning the NCAA that year so the NIT excited me not at all.
I was a senior in 1970 when Al turned down the NCAA and won the NIT and quite frankly that didn't excite me much either. I'm a huge McGuire fan, but that was him at his most stubborn (i.e., his worst). Even though the NIT was a much, much better tournament then, I would have preferred our Warriors take out their anger/frustration on whatever opponents the committee pitted us against by kicking ass and going to the FF.
A very young team and coaching staff should skip opportunities to keep playing because some fans' feels are hurt.
Makes a lot of sense
Quote from: WarriorDad on March 11, 2018, 06:57:06 PM
We under achieved this year?
Wojo has never said NIT is what we should be happy with, but in some years it will be based on personnel, experience, injuries. We did not under achieve this year. The last year we truly under achieved was Coach Williams last season here when we were picked to win the Big East and finished 6th.
Kentucky was the youngest team in the country this year...did they ever play the "we're young card"?? A #5 seed in the dance. Soooo Wojo always used the "we're young" narrative..well, as kentucky showed, and other schools have shown through the years, that is NOT an excuse.
Quote from: muguru on March 11, 2018, 07:07:08 PM
Kentucky was the youngest team in the country this year...did they ever play the "we're young card"?? A #5 seed in the dance. Soooo Wojo always used the "we're young" narrative..well, as kentucky showed, and other schools have shown through the years, that is NOT an excuse.
If you can't tell the difference between Duke and UK loading up McD All Americans and MU's youth...
Quote from: fjm on March 11, 2018, 06:53:26 PM
Would you say the NIT in 1977 excited you? Or no.
In 1970, when we won the NIT, there were 24 teams in the NCAA tournament against probably 250 members playing basketball.
If you didn't win your conference, you did not go to the NCAA. The only exception was major independents and we had to play an extra NCAA game because we did not win a conference. Al turned down the NCAA and the NIT probably had every bit as much talent then as the NCAA did.
I would have gone then because there was money in it, we played major competition and a trophy was not a participation trophy.
BUT, I would not have turned down an NCAA berth, but, then, I'm not Al. You go to the NCAA when invited and kick the c*ap out of Adolph "the bigot" Rupp. Father Raynor thought the same way but deferred to Al (for the last time).
Nah don't skip it, as annoyed as I am with the slow progress of this team under Wojo, NIT games are a golden opportunity for the young guys to get more experience against some quality competition before next season when the expectations will be high. I would love to watch a few more MU games before baseball season starts. If they weren't in the NIT (which they will be) then I would say screw it. Likes Buzz's last season here
I can remember feeling a little envious of NIT teams in year's past when we've been bumped from the NCAA in the first round and they play multiple more games thereafter. Bring on the NIT and undeniably valuable experience!
Quote from: muguru on March 11, 2018, 07:07:08 PM
Kentucky was the youngest team in the country this year...did they ever play the "we're young card"?? A #5 seed in the dance. Soooo Wojo always used the "we're young" narrative..well, as kentucky showed, and other schools have shown through the years, that is NOT an excuse.
Agree the inexperienced excuse, but you cannot compare with Kentucky. Believe they had 4 Top 15 recruits this year and between the freshmen and sophs, they have like 10 Burger Boys.
Quote from: muguru on March 11, 2018, 07:07:08 PM
Kentucky was the youngest team in the country this year...did they ever play the "we're young card"?? A #5 seed in the dance. Soooo Wojo always used the "we're young" narrative..well, as kentucky showed, and other schools have shown through the years, that is NOT an excuse.
You are comparing Kentucky and their 5 star one-and-dones to Marquette? I think we've identified the problem and news for you, find another team to cheer for because your frustration will never end if that is your barometer. MU is not landing 4 or 5 players of that nature nor are they going to sell their soul to do it.
Quote from: muguru on March 11, 2018, 06:49:22 PM
Tired of the underachievement, tired of this program being irrelevant, tired of the constant excuses from everyone. If the NIT excites people here...good for you..Mike Deane used to say MU should be happy with NIT berths, is that where we are again??
Greg Elliott: precocious, but injured, slender FRESHMAN.
Jamal Cain: precocious, but slender, FRESHMAN.
Theo John: "green" FRESHMAN, still learning how to play big-time D1 post ball, who missed key practice time and games due to illness.
Sam Hauser: injury-slowed Sophomore.
Markus Howard: Sophomore, healthy most of the year, slowed by injury when the season meant the most.
You cannot compare our youth to Kentucky's. Thought that was a given. Been stated here multiple times by multiple posters.
If you think these guys plus a lone senior "gunner" underachieved, you are either crazy or lacking in patience. Hate to sound like Dodds on the other board, but you seriously think adding Joey, Ed Morrow, Brendan Bailey to a young, potentially muscled-up 9-9 BEast squad ( league RPI #2) won't significantly improve us in 2018-19?
Quote from: muguru on March 11, 2018, 06:49:22 PM
Tired of the underachievement, tired of this program being irrelevant, tired of the constant excuses from everyone. If the NIT excites people here...good for you..Mike Deane used to say MU should be happy with NIT berths, is that where we are again??
So because some people don't freak out constantly like you do that equates to being excited about the NIT and satisfied about missing the tourney? It doesn't work that way.
It is possible to have high expectations and perspective. You sorely need some of the latter.
Quote from: muguru on March 11, 2018, 06:49:22 PM
Tired of the underachievement, tired of this program being irrelevant, tired of the constant excuses from everyone. If the NIT excites people here...good for you..Mike Deane used to say MU should be happy with NIT berths, is that where we are again??
Go root for Duke
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 11, 2018, 07:09:44 PM
In 1970, when we won the NIT, there were 24 teams in the NCAA tournament against probably 250 members playing basketball.
If you didn't win your conference, you did not go to the NCAA. The only exception was major independents and we had to play an extra NCAA game because we did not win a conference. Al turned down the NCAA and the NIT probably had every bit as much talent then as the NCAA did.
I would have gone then because there was money in it, we played major competition and a trophy was not a participation trophy.
BUT, I would not have turned down an NCAA berth, but, then, I'm not Al. You go to the NCAA when invited and kick the c*ap out of Adolph "the bigot" Rupp. Father Raynor thought the same way but deferred to Al (for the last time).
Don't believe this is accurate. 32 teams in the Tourney. No extra games needed or allowed. We lost to ND and Austin Carr in South Bend. Therefore, the Irish got the Mideast berth and we were sent to the Midwest, which I believe was held that year in Texas. Al got pissed and said he'd take the team to the NIT and win it.
Quote from: muguru on March 11, 2018, 07:07:08 PM
Kentucky was the youngest team in the country this year...did they ever play the "we're young card"?? A #5 seed in the dance. Soooo Wojo always used the "we're young" narrative..well, as kentucky showed, and other schools have shown through the years, that is NOT an excuse.
This is hilarious, because I literally saw John Calipari in an ESPN interview yesterday saying his team was all freshman - the youngest team in the country.
Quote from: 4everCrean on March 11, 2018, 06:39:28 PM
Yet, here you are.
This comment made my day better. Well done.
Quote from: muguru on March 11, 2018, 06:33:01 PM
We should not be playing for NIT bids at MU..better be the LAST NIT berth for a VERY long time
True that. But turning it down? Sheesh.
At the very least Wojo can use the game to experiment, e.g., different roster combinations, defensive schemes, etc.
I'm all up for accepting a bid too... just kind of depressing to think that at this point we are in the company of DePaul, St John's, and Georgetown of teams left out of the tourney in the Big East while everyone else is dancing
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 11, 2018, 07:16:06 PM
Don't believe this is accurate. 32 teams in the Tourney. No extra games needed or allowed. We lost to ND and Austin Carr in South Bend. Therefore, the Irish got the Mideast berth and we were sent to the Midwest, which I believe was held that year in Texas. Al got pissed and said he'd take the team to the NIT and win it.
My timing may have been off when the NCAA went to 32 (not sure when exactly, but I thought it was around 1974 or so). But the message was the same -- there were not second place teams in the NCAA in 1970.
Quote from: MomofMUltiples on March 11, 2018, 07:16:12 PM
This is hilarious, because I literally saw John Calipari in an ESPN interview yesterday saying his team was all freshman - the youngest team in the country.
He just said the same on ESPN. Talked about how it impacted them needing to learn on the fly, how it made defense difficult, and how they were the youngest team ever to go to the NCAA Tournament. All I could think was "he sounds like Wojo."
Hell, it's not just the team (minus Rowsey) who needs the experience.
Wojo needs more games too.
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 11, 2018, 07:26:47 PM
My timing may have been off when the NCAA went to 32 (not sure when exactly, but I thought it was around 1974 or so). But the message was the same -- there were not second place teams in the NCAA in 1970.
There were 25 teams in the NCAA tournament in 1970. Expanded to 32 in 1975.
Quote from: muguru on March 11, 2018, 07:07:08 PM
Kentucky was the youngest team in the country this year...did they ever play the "we're young card"?? A #5 seed in the dance. Soooo Wojo always used the "we're young" narrative..well, as kentucky showed, and other schools have shown through the years, that is NOT an excuse.
Kentucky has a well established system and can recruit any player nationwide who they think fits their system.
Wojo is still building his system. Still trying to prove to basketball players, and apparently fans, that he can make it work.
Yeah, we got a coach wit trainin' pants on, hey?
Quote from: Skitch on March 11, 2018, 06:34:59 PM
We lost in a crap game to Virginia Tech?
I was a junior at Marquette that year and we had a great time rooting the team on through the NIT. I'm not saying it should be our goal to be in the NIT but it's dumb to turn it down and you're not a fan if you don't root Marquette on through the NIT.
We're all disappointed with the NIT, but I certainly didn't think we were going to do better than that this year after barely getting in last year and losing Johnson, Reinhardt, Fischer, and Wilson (and that was before I knew we'd lose Cheatham, though I think losing the other guys hurt way, way more.)
I still think a tournament is fun for me as a fan, even if it is the NIT. Hopefully we'll get a chance to end ND's season, and a long NIT run could be a springboard for next season. No downside to playing.
looks like Harvard. We need to play smart
Smacks of a little arrogance, entitlement of stature. The Only reasons I see to to Decline if the current Coach is Fired (GA) or players not all in. (Kentucky vs Robert Morris 2013)
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 11, 2018, 06:33:16 PM
Wrong.
Because it is a tournament that does little for us. It's the Participation Trophy of College Basketball. It's not stupid to walk away from something that rewards mediocrity.
Why reward mediocrity?
As for me, Gang, after the DePaul game, I moved on. It was time for next year. As you who read knew, when everyone said we needed a win against Villanova, I said, no way. It's baseball time.
P.S. -- Good luck to Villanova, Creighton, Xavier, Butler, Seton Hall and Providence in the tournament.
https://youtu.be/fWweqP_ZWbg
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 11, 2018, 06:33:16 PM
Wrong.
Because it is a tournament that does little for us. It's the Participation Trophy of College Basketball. It's not stupid to walk away from something that rewards mediocrity.
Why reward mediocrity?
As for me, Gang, after the DePaul game, I moved on. It was time for next year. As you who read knew, when everyone said we needed a win against Villanova, I said, no way. It's baseball time.
P.S. -- Good luck to Villanova, Creighton, Xavier, Butler, Seton Hall and Providence in the tournament.
Oh really? Funny that you found time to comment here.
Two teams playing as much youth as Marquette who made the dance. Kentucky and Duke. Full of one and dones. You say yes to the NIT, use it to get as many practices as possible and as much experience for the kids in win or go home situations. Teaching and building for next year at this point.
Quote from: WarriorDad on March 11, 2018, 06:17:37 PM
Because some people think we are waiting in long gas lines, Ford is our President and Disco is hot.
Disco is still hot, but that's not a good enough reason to turn down the opportunity to extend the season and get more experience for the players and coaching staff. Game on!
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 11, 2018, 05:58:52 PM
Would be nice if we could, especially since we were not one of the first four out.
We're not in the big dance because we lost to our conference's version of a mid-major, DePaul, and because we were blown out by Villanova last week.
The NIT is a college basketball equivalent of a Participation Trophy. Warriors gnarl at Participation Trophies.
I see no value in the NIT. The money is so limited, we're talking about playing at the Al, where we've played exactly one other game that counted. There isn't money in it.
As for experience, unless we're starting Elliott and Theo John, not sure what it gives us. A couple more games, until we get eliminated by some mid-major because we're playing hero ball?
Turn it down if you can. We'll get more out of a pre-season tournament next year than out of the NIT. Our guys should not settle for the NIT. Period.
I see great value in NIT. I believe having our freshmen getting tournament experience is very helpful, if we get an NCAA bid next year. I believe we would of been more prepared last year for our NCAA tournament game, if we had played in NIT the year before.
While I believe we should always play in NCAA tournament, I would never turn down an NIT bid when that is all we earned. North Carolina played in NIT a few years ago. Louisville and Notre Dame are playing in it this year. I suspect a blue blood would never turn down an NIT bid.
In my book fans that do not want to see their team continue to play are cry babies.
we should prove to Harvard how dumb this tournament is by refusing to take the court
This thread was highly entertaining. Well done to all parties involved.
Quote from: Farley36 on March 11, 2018, 07:51:12 PM
I was a junior at Marquette that year and we had a great time rooting the team on through the NIT. I'm not saying it should be our goal to be in the NIT but it's dumb to turn it down and you're not a fan if you don't root Marquette on through the NIT.
That was longgggg train home to Connecticut that evening. Especially with VT alums in my train.
Curse you Ace Custis!